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1st Hand Experience Versus Knowledge
Posted by Jeunelle • 1/16/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: experience, know how, knowledge, measurement, truth
Which comes 1st Experience or Knowledge?
What is the difference between the two?
Do you measure and value years of experience?
How do you hold it's value in correlation together with truth?
When and how do we use our 1st hand experience?
Do you prefer one over the other?
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Of course I prefer knowledge over 1st hand experience. When I look at my first drawings as kid, they're cute no doubt but compared to now? And what it has brought along? But 1st hand experience is also a must. I mean if I never had that 1st experience of taking a pencil in my hand and trying to draw something, I never would have been an artist, never would have be interested in graphics,never would have painted,make web sites,etc-
Noarch...exactly they are both necessary in life.
1st hand seems to imply a technique gained from knowledge over time.
A doctor, surgeon or optician is a good example of someone who exercises 1st hand experience during surgery via knowledge. They apply 1st hand experience to their trade
while helping others but of course it's not only limited to these 3 professionals.
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It's all about the experience, you may read all day for something ,but actually you cant learn it without to practice it.Somehow am right.-
cooltool...YES you are correct and I fully agree.
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I just got it
I Thought you were talking about 1st hand experience as in the first time you experimented with something but you were talking about experience.
But in that case I'll change my final answer a bit so I don't lose the million. For me experience comes from knowledge but not all the time. You can for example gain experience from trying and trying over and over until you succeed. But that's what u said...Damn Im slow this morning, must be that weird dream I had???-
Norch...I got ya, no problem
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Live is for experience not to be lost in the oceans of knowledge.-
ophase....thank you
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Yup we do need to pull ourselves out of the black deep waters.
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Hey Sponge Bob....my favorite...thanks
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Isn't it tragic that i learned that quote from somewhere and never had a chance to experience at all !?
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Which comes 1st, Experience or Knowledge?
Experience almost always does because that's how we learn. Even if we read from a book, we use the medium of the written word to take us to an experience. Books are magickal this way. The exception seems to be, at least in terms of a current lifetime, what comes from past incarnations, and perhaps some thing taught from the worlds between that creep in as a subliminal tape playing in the background of our minds.
What is the difference between the two?
Experience becomes knowledge and knowledge begets experience. They are as fraternal twins that enhance each other and at times bedevil one another with new challenges. The two are like the head and tail of an ouboros which as they feed and regenerate together, make a life that is as good as everlasting.
Do you measure and value years of experience?
My family expected me to be a PhD, a research scientist. But after being cut off by my family, I never was able to finish school. Though I collected thousands of books, it was my work and relationships that taught me the most.
How do you hold it's value in correlation together with truth?
All experiences test truth and ultimately reveal new aspects thereof.
When and how do we use our 1st hand experience?
Even when we use the illustrations of another, what we present is colored by our own paths, our own experiences and realizations.
Do you prefer one over the other?
One cannot have one without the other. If there is no knowledge, there is no learning from experience. If there is no experience, our walk is worse than the walk of the blind.-
LynneaUrania....Excellent you are sharp today as always
There is a huge difference between someone who has knowledge
and someone who experienced that knowledge.
The experienced individual already has a upper hand in the upper room.
The Upper Room
video.dainutekstai.lt/w.php?a=OLZcoDsPUkI
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Here's an example that will reflect my views on this:
Before they lose their virginity (zero experience) a lot of people will have watched porn and taken advice from their friends (knowledge).But when the real thing finally happens, they're mostly confused and they do some ammature mistakes despite their knowledge.Therefore, experience is more important.-
Arnous81...Bingo
and they may look back at it all and say, "damn if I knew what I knew then, I wouldn't of made that stupid mistake". This is how we gain the experience. -
Then they remember what a mistake their parents made in the same way by begetting them. So they forgive their parents and become adults.
Then they see their children do the same and realize that's the way of life. They forgive themselves and become wise. -
Indeed
It is necessary to live life to gain experience and to apply that gained experience to areas where it is most needed. -
Yep we're on the same wavelength.Some things are impossible to learn unless you drive straight into them and get yourself wet.
I mean like swimming. -
Arnous, it would be no difference if we got wet by spitting.
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LynneaUrania.I'm a bit slow today, what do you mean?
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"wet by spitting", good one
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Arnous, some experiences teach us by our doing. Some teach us by having been done UPON. Then the ones who are done upon just might get it and start learning by doing. The only problem is when the spat-upon become spitters instead of swimmers. A lot of religionists are like that.
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"The only problem is when the spat-upon become spitters instead of swimmers. A lot of religionists are like that". Ain't that the truth
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First hand experience counts towards knowledge, but the two are neither mutually exclusive nor mutually inclusive.
For example, common knowledge or scientific knowledge informs us of every day and not so everyday things that we may or may not be able to experience, however one's knowledge may be tempered with a first hand experience that contradicts knowledge. Often times these experiences inform knowledge, and help progress scientific knowledge because it fuels curiosity and exploration.
First hand experiences may inform a person, but again their experiences may be well outside of the norm, and thus is tempered by knowledge that contradicts any wide sweeping or general claims that can be made from first hand experiences, or anecdotal stories.-
also 1st hand experience may also give one an added confidence that may not always be there waiting within knowledge, causing one to not always have to rely on making a scientific decision, it may even also be seen as risky for some but not necessarily the case in all
or most instances. The errors made are few when someone has added confidence
of the given outcome, better choices and decisions are made within 1st hand experiences.
Jimi Hendrix Are you experienced
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Yup, but on the flip side, personal experience may give on false confidence - making them overzealous.
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@Anok...You know it's funny you say that and the thought ran through my mind but in all honesty, I haven't met anyone with 1st hand experience that I would consider to be over zealous. However that doesn't mean they are not out there or even in here with me.
HOLLA -
LMFAO
I have met quite a few who were just so overzealous about everything they experienced in life just as soon as they experienced that I wanted to strangle them. -
ROFLMAO....Stand in line, you know how many people want to kill me.
Many have tried. I just have fun with it.
One thing I will try to do from now on is not repeat the same comments in other discussions. That may be a bit too redundant, even though the comment is meant for newer members visiting for the 1st time who may not have seen the comment in other discussion threads.
I can see how that may be seen as being overzealous by the regular members who have heard it all before but not necessarily to a newbie.
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Which comes 1st Experience or Knowledge? This is a case by case scenario. I think that opinions on the war are only valid when someone experienced it, not read about it, but in other cases it's knowledge
What is the difference between the two: simply put- reading about it vs doing it. Someone can know every name for a skate trick and how its done by a book, but if they didn't go out and do it....
Do you measure and value years of experience? yes
How do you hold it's value in correlation together with truth? case by case
When and how do we use our 1st hand experience? When similar situations arise or when someone has an opinion about something we have experienced, we use the knowledge from that experience and maybe some demos to prove them wrong or right
Do you prefer one over the other? Experience. I have a masters degree but the schooling was essentially useless until I got into the systems that companies actually used-
EndlesslySheSaid...What is the difference between the two: UNDERSTANDING
This is one thing I ask for each night in my prayer before bed.
Yes a master degree is worthless without 1st hand experience, that's for sure.
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Experience matters a lot.
I'm a doctor and for me when I work and see patients in the hospital, I remember stuff better and for a longer period of time than when I read them from books.-
dratiffarid....Yup you know what I'm talking about here.
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A bit off the beaten track, I'd just like to point out the two sources of philosophical thought, that which starts with experience (through the 5 senses), like Aristotle, and the idealist philosophies which start with the human spirit or relation. Like the Rhone and the Rhine, whose sources are close by in the Swiss Alpes, a slight difference in direction at the start can lead to quite different results at the finish line.
I think this will be the subject of my next blog entry.
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harveyavatar....excellent where you are going with this.
It can be seen as a necessary building block of the universe which is constantly being destroyed and re-created depending on what direction it decides to take and we decide to take. It can get the ball rolling all over again or not but just like we have our own choices and decide, so does the universe.
I wonder after a certain amount of years, which one of those rivers would last the longest
due to a small change in direction, climate change and even perception?
Or maybe they remain balanced. Time will tell. -
Hopefully the decision will be based in wisdom & understanding and not necessarily knowledge.
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Knowledge = perception, perception = reality/life experience-
Sway...Indeed
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False dichotomy. Both have their place. The desirable propotion of each varies by situation.
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markstoneman...we already acknowledged that higher above
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Experience can/does equal understanding
Reading a quote from a book is one thing but understanding that quote is another.
You may even think you understand that quote after reading it but when you actually experience
and come to it's full understanding, you will see the difference between knowledge
and experience/understanding.
Any ding bat on the internet can copy & paste a quote and act like they know it all on a discussion thread but they still fail to fully understand what they copied & pasted because they never actually experienced it 1st hand. -
Can someone with 1st hand experience find a way out of trouble if it arises?
Can they choose a necessary path to help get them out of bondage?
You tell me-
Yes, if the trouble that arises is at least analogous if not a match to what was experienced.
As pertaining to release from bondage, an element of faith creeps in. This reminds me of a dialectic in Plato's Republic:
Eikasia is to dianoia as pistis is to episteme.
Imagining is to intent as faith is to knowledge.
The knowledge in this case is more a skill or aquaintance than book knowledge, which by Plato's thought reaches to nosis as "intelligence" or "understanding" on human terms.
However, Socrates (as Plato was writing from the dialogues of Socrates) regarded episteme and nosis as beyond what people could experience as something mundane, if even at all. Gnostics would look at "nosis" not from what humans might implicate, but from what must be entrusted to the Divine, and nosis becomes gnosis...a knowing that is beyond explanation. There we find the Gnostic version of "release from bondage."
As to what is completely mundane forms of bondage, one would look no further than "imagining and intent," as "thinking" or "purpose" because the first pair pertain to what he called a "visible state of mind." It does make sense that in recalling experience of any kind we must use our imaginations, and such lead us to action by means of intent. -
a knowing that is beyond explanation. There we find the Gnostic version of "release from bondage.".........Excellent observation
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I suspect that this is the "Understanding" for which you pray at night?
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YES and I know he's listening
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Ah. And if the Sephirah of Binah, being Understanding is known to be a feminine sephirah, how do you know that Understanding is a "he?" Or are you speaking generically of the Godhead?
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Generally of Godhead, however Binah is the Mother and Chokmah the Father
but ultimately if the two merge into one at Kether, God my have traits of Shiva
(both man & woman) or may be a Hermaphrodite for all I know.
I don't know if I want to go there either. My puny brain my overload lmao -
Don't worry. Not a few rabbis have concluded the same.
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OMG so true because I have always heard it being debated by Jewish people and Rabbis.
Also in Egypt "the all in one" God
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I think experiece is based on knowledge.-
experience/understanding is drawn from testing knowledge.
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I think knowledge comes in many forms, and experience is part of knowledge. I don't think they are always separate entities - academic knowledge helps formulate ideas based on sound principles. We need ideas because without ideas we are nothing but animals, but unless you are brilliant - and there are few truly brilliant people around - your ideas are worthless unless they are tried by people who may or may not have the same knowledge base as you. In many cases the people who use the ideas, which come from higher knowledge, to actually do something or change something, may or may not be the person who had the knowledge to formulate that idea.-
and we may also use that higher knowledge for good or evil
but the using it with experience/understanding can create the desired effect, intent
or original goal more precisely and with possible fewer errors.
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i don't need first hand experience to know that holding my hand over an open flame is stupid. on the other hand, all that stuff that was crammed into my head in college never prepared me for the how things really get done in an office.
it seems to me that collectively they help me navigate this thing called life. it's not a one or the other proposition as the question suggests.-
hmmmmm not so sure the question is suggesting anything but asking your views.
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Yes holding your hand over the flame caused you to feel pain and by you testing the waters
and feeling the results of pain, you came into experience and understanding, well said.
Also notice that if you didn't test the waters, you may not of come to any understanding at all.
Like the Version Wireless Man on TV says, "Can ya hear me now"?
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it depends upon the individual ....do u get it?
if one has brain and is able to learn from experience only then it counts..otherwise no use.
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That's so apt. Only if you LEARN from experience, experience is useful.
What's the point if you do the same mistake over and over without correcting yourself?
And to apply knowledge, the basis lies in knowing that knowledge is not retention of information, but -as you pointed out- finding out its practical everyday applications. -
NavjeetSingh and Praz...INDEED
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1. Experience can be learned witout knowledge so I prefer knowledge
2. Experience is manual, Knowledge is theory + practical
3. Yes, I will measure the value of experience but based on his knowledge
4. I need both experience and Knowledge
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6. I prefer knowledge first
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