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April 15th Tea Party
Posted by lnclark1950 • 4/10/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: debt, protest, tea party
I am organizing an online tea party for April 15th.
If you are fed up with how President Obama and the Liberal Democrats moving the United States towards socialism. Are you tired of run away spending of our governments, (Dems and Repubs are both guilty of this), join me here at this post to dump your tea (in protest).
Of course if you want the government to supply your every need go ahead and post your need. Remember though as your needs are supplied someone else is paying for it.
Consider this your children, your grandchildren and your great grandchildren will be paying for what you and others get from this run away spending.
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Good luck to you! I must say that the Tea Parties are not about liberals, conservatives, Republicans or Democrats. It is about people being sick and tired of the way politicians are acting. No politician takes responsibility for ANYTHING across any issue. Whenever something goes wrong, "It was the other guys fault", but when something goes right "Me! Me! It was all me and no one else but me!" I do not know about anyone else around here but I for one am sick and tired of it. I am sick of hearing politicians smear each other and distort the facts. Here is a newsflash to government, YOU ALL SUCK! There is no responsible governance anymore (and this goes way before Obama). Government officials only care about their AUTOMATIC pay raises (I sure never got an automatic pay raise. The only time I got one was when I did an excellent job) and other perks. They could not even muster up the courage to stay in session for spring break (gee, I wish I got a spring break from my work too). The spending and the taxing by government is also unbelievable (once again, not just Obama, but before Obama as well). I mean, printing money we do not have, raising taxes in a recession, its absurd! Politicians only care about the votes they get on election day and will do or say anything for those votes. It is time to get some common sense back into government! -
Do the girls all wear tea bags at a tea party? -
Tea has SO been done before. Maybe people should dump the stocks and treasury bonds instead
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or maybe diet peach/tea Snapple. -
I don't know. I was invited locally, but it seems like it will just be an Obama bash-fest.-
It is not about bashing Obama, like I said in my first comment. The Tea Parties are about the excesses of government that has been going on for a long time. It is about a government that is too large and too wasteful with taxpayer money. This has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans, but government and the way government is supposed to work.
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This is a Glenn Beck project? Sorry, I cannot not participate in that nonsense. I went to a libertarian meeting that was infiltrated by Glenn Beck fanatics. They were religious nutcases trying to take over a decent, sensible party.
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Today thousands if not millions of Americans spoke out about the excessive government that President Obama and Speaker Pelosi have generated. As a conservative I complained when President Bush grew government.
I am also protesting the Department of Homeland Security's message about Veterans and Conservatives.
Wake up and protect your rights to be a Democrat or Republican.-
I helped organize the first Denver Tea Party which was held in Feb, and the Denver Tax Day Tea Party.
Our first Tea Party had about 300 persons in attendance.
The State Police gave us an estimation of 7,000 people in attendance yesterday.
The Left does not understand the tea parties and some of them are frankly jealous of our success. Their lies concerning the tea parties demonstrate this.
Our tea party brought together persons all political stripes, (minus the obvious such as progressives)all races and religions.
It was not a blame Obama event, it was a 'we are pissed at both Republicans and Dems' event. It was a 'Bush and Obama share blame' event.
This was very grassroots.
What the Left hopes is that these events are simply a bunch of pissed off rednecks gathering together to yell and scream.
What the Left doesn't get is that these are networking events. We are meeting each other, we are sharing ideas and seeking solutions. We are organizing and doing so with purpose.
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Teabagging FTW. -
yeah! Community organizing!
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The people at these protests are just sheep. They'd protest the sunset if that's what Fox "news" told them to do.-
"These people" include me Sat, and I hardly consider myself a sheep.
A sheep just goes along with what's happening...and right now that includes spending trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars we don't have. You seem to be signing onto the status quo... doesn't that make you the sheep?
For your information, Tea Parties were being formed before the media caught onto it. And most participants would prefer political leaders and news reporters stay out of the process.
The event isn't news reporters and politicians speaking. It's about people speaking.
I for one want Fox news to get on the sidelines... The process is moving along just fine without the media's intervention.
And now, we aren't going to follow the liberal example of destroying property, squirting fake blood on people and shouting down the opinions of others.
If you're happy with taking the road to socialism. Fine. But I'm not following your example.
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Actually, even with the right wing media's intervention, the tea parties bombed...all that cheerleading by Fox News and they couldn't get a thousand people out in DC?
Face it: Obama was born in the U.S., he's not a Muslim, and this "movement" is a fraud that's going out like a damp match. -
drjay.... still...factually wrong. Look at the calender. It's April...
An event this size doesn't get planned or mobilized on this scale in the mere two weeks Fox has been announcing it's coverage...
For this many people to mobilize in a matter of two months or so....and in such an organized way, takes time.
Yeah, I know, protests are only legitimate if a socialist is smashing out windows....
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You've no idea what you are speaking of.
Fox news is a decent enough news outlet (better than the others to be sure) but they jumped on our wagon, we did not jump on theirs. -
drjay1966
up to 2000 tea parties held around the nation, the majority of which had 1,000 or more persons in attendance.
Sounds like a failure to me.
This by the way was the second of the Tea Parties, every single tea party no less than doubled attendance this time.
Here in Denver we were taking any where from 50 to 100 calls and emails per day from the end of the first tea party to the very day of the second tea party.
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drjay1966,
according to the person in D.C. who put together the protest last Saturday for A New Way Forwards attempted rip off of the tea parties, no one ever shows up to protests in D.C.
Mind you this was being said by a far Left person.
While that may well be true (I wouldn't know) I suspect it was simply his way of excusing his failed rally. Their whole rip off was a nation wide failure btw.
As an aside, I think something that I am very proud of so far as our Denver Tea Party goes is that the State Police when providing us our estimate on crowd size mentioned very happily to us that they had never had a crowd that size size that was so well behaved and so polite.
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It's one thing to support this Fox News generated right wing project to keep taxes on the super-rich from going back to what they were a few years ago...and, if you wanna be silly, you can call that "socialism."
To call it nonpartisan is just silly, though, as is calling it a "grassroots" effort...especially if you're gonna use a right wing extremist like Glenn Beck as your source.-
Sigh... do you get all of your information from the Daily Kos or Huffington Post?
Tea parties were being formed before Glen Beck even worked for Fox News... as he worked for another network at the time... A liberal network...
If you're going to lump everyone's opinion into one nice neat little package that you can easily belittle...first get your facts straight. -
You'll soon learn Dannyvice...
These boards are pro-Obama, and anything that could concievably be against the anointed one will be ridiculed and treated like it's a big nothing.
People like Drjay, sati and the others are sipping the kool-aid and don't even see the irony of calling others sheep.
Upwards of 20.000 turnout in Atlanta, 15.000 in Sacramento, and hundreds of other locations. and the only thing the lefties can think of is to find one city with crap weather that didn't get a great turnout.
It's all too transparent when you step back and look at it. But thats ok, let them keep telling themselves that this is nothing. It will make it so much easier to ensure the end of the democrat mess in 2010 and 2012. -
Where were all the protests when Bush & Co. were doubling the national debt? I don't approve of these bailouts and I'd join the protests if that's what it was about, but it's really just preparation for the next election. That's all right-wingers care about.
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Those who pay little or no income tax have no problem with our tax code. Others, like our own tax chief, can't even figure out what tax they owe. It's time for an overhaul. Something that's fair across the board.
No more political rhetoric form either side... No more tax manipulation. Just a simple "everyone chips in and pays" approach.
It's the people in the middle who get whacked the hardest...
I've yet to hear anyone explain to me why all people shouldn't be expected to pay their fair share - regardless of what they make. -
Sat,
Let's take you back a few months before Obama got elected. When Bush was pushing Tarp 1.
Who do you think it was that was jamming up the phone lines begging congress to not pass that bill?
Secondly, doubling the national debt in 8 years is nothing like quadrupling it in 60 days.
And must I remind you, Obama has continued that war debt. Were you hiding under your desk when he just asked congress for more war funding?
It's funny how that escapes your criticism...
Most conservatives do not consider Bush a conservative.
He spent like a drunken lib...He mimicked liberal tax and spend policies....
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Sati.. Of course we care about the next election, thats the only positive thing with having Hussein in office, he'll be out next time.
And I don't see how someone claiming to be a programmer can fail to see the difference between doubling a debt, and then doubling it again.. Look up "exponential" on your own. I've tried educating you before. I'm not sure it's possible.
Not to mention that Obama isn't doubling it, with interest it's more like... destroying the economy.
Just have some more of the Kool-Aid, and maybe doodle or something. -
Hey, why not just run up a $15 Trillion dollar debt... If Bush spent $2 Trillion.... Well then it's alright to go ahead and just spend trillions night and day.... day and night..... because someone else spent money.
Interesting point of view, eh?
So I wonder.... for those who are nodding their head to trillions and trillions and trillions of new spending.... how will they feel when the tax bill comes? How will they feel when unemployment continues to rise because businesses go overseas where a lower tax rate exists?
IF you owned a business, why would you stay in the US and make a 5% profit if you could go overseas and bottom-line a 20% profit?
Out of control spending, increased tax, restrictive regulation and a war on small business is not going to go without consequences.... It's GOING to make an impact.
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Yes, Obama has asked for more funding for the wars. He's left to clean up the mess he inherited, which costs money. The situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan has become so grave that it threatens our security because we took our eye off the ball and invaded Iraq.
As far as people paying their fair share, I'm all for that. These people at the top 5% have milked our country dry while their taxes have gone down. We need to roll back the Bush tax cuts so we have some chance of a balanced budget. -
Those who forget the Carter years are doomed to repeat them.
Yep, that's in the cool-aid. Why Carter? The economy was better during Carter's administration than Nixon's or Reagan's first term. The only reason Reagan's second term looked a little better was because of his massive spending. Reagan tripled the national debt and the result was only moderate gains in the economy. -
left to clean up?
Um, Sat....lets get off it. He campaigned for 3 years to take on the job. No one forced him into anything.
What he's doing is the exact opposite of what he said he'd do, since he now knows the intelligence behind the decisions.
And what percentage of the tax burden do you think the top 5% pay?
Do you really even know?
What percentage of income do you pay if you earn $20k per year? What percentage do you pay if you earn $200,000?
The tax structure has been set up, which forces high income earners to pay a higher percentage of tax across the board....
So you agree..... everyone should pay the same percentage across the board?
That would be great.
And if you think the economy was great under Carter.... you are obviously not an economist.
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drjay1966,
these tea parties are not 'Fox news generated'.
As I told Sat, they [Fox news] jumped on our wagon we did not jump on theirs.
The tea parties as well are not at all about taxes on the super rich. It is about a government out of control.
The tea parties are in fact very grassroots.
While some tea parties had monetary sponsors, most did not.
Many of the so called sponsors are simply different groups that had speakers at a party.
In Denver all the funding for both tea parties came from my pocket and one other persons pocket. At this second party we did ask for donations to help cover the cost involved.
Sound equipment was donated by a local AV company. Balloons were donated by a party business... etc.
In between the two tea parties I have spoken to a good number of other organizers and found them to have been doing the very same thing. In most cases the tea parties were funded by a handful of people.
So for your source, since you don't care for Glenn Beck, how about using myself who actually has organized these events and the couple of hundred other organizers I have spoken to?
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No no no...
Djay and sati always knows everything best.
They watch Rachel Madcow all the time.
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What he's doing is the exact opposite of what he said he'd do, since he now knows the intelligence behind the decisions.
How do you figure that? He said he was going to get us out of Iraq and increase our presence in Afghanistan, which exactly what he's doing.
As far as tax rates, the rich have tax shelters and know how to exploit all the loopholes in our tax code. What we need is a simpler tax code, but a flat rate won't fix the problem.
And show me where I said the economy was great under Carter. It was bad, as it was under Nixon and Reagan. But Carter remains the right-winger's whipping boy. -
It's been an interesting debate, but time for me to go to sleep. I have to work to pay those taxes unlike our current administration.... who seems to find ways to avoid them...
Hopefully we'll have a flat tax or a fair tax soon and do away with the class warfare our current tax code creates. The tax code belongs to us. Not Dems or Repubs. -
Just wanted to add my little bit before I went to bed.
The wife and I went to our local Tea Party here is Bakersfield, and I have to tell you. That was the most, i guess you would call it, non-partisan thing I have been too. There were people there whom I know to be Dems, Reps, a couple who were Labor Party... I am Independent, so there was a whole slice of the spectrum there.
It was most certainly not all about Obama, though he was brought up many times. It was more about how the politicians are screwing everyone, and making a bad name for the few truly honest ones that are left.
Roy Ashburn, apparently, made an appearance at this one and, from what I was told (My wife and I arrived late), was booed away.
"Tea Parties" and the like are perfectly healthy, as long as no one gets hurt. People need to let off steam in the company of others that share the same opinion as do they. Every now and then, there is enough support that it does make a difference. Problem is we are easily distracted. If those of us that are serious about this do not keep pressing, then it will fizzle away.-
SW- I had a very similar experience at a protest that I attended as well. I did expect it to be quite an Obama-bash fest, but it really was not. People from all sides of the political spectrum were in attendance, libertarians, conservatives, liberals, Democrats, Republicans, and local unions. Many of the Democrats in attendance even said they voted for Obama. I would like to mention though that there were some white supremacists who showed up, one of them had a sign that read "Our president should be Christian, not Muslim". What really struck a chord with me was how quickly these people were chased away from the pack of the demonstration. Everyday people really were just fed up with what government was doing, and they were complaining with what began under Bush and that Obama seems to be carrying over (in terms of spending). I do not think that this is targeted specifically at Obama, but I think that he really threw the straw that broke the camels back.
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This whole thing cracks me up to no end.
Let's have a tea party! Let's protest spending! Let's protest taxes! Let's protest the democratically elected president!
Several years ago, the conservatives who are now protesting told people who were protesting the war, the spending, the imposition of the right to privacy and all of the things that were actually happening to "Leave the country" and "You are being represented by people you elected, so love it or leave it".
There were no protests about Bush's spending from conservatives, there weren't even complaints ab out him until the bitter end.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot - now that there is a president they don't like, now that there is a mess to clean up (rather than create), now that the conservatives who are violent, and extreme finally made it onto the watch lists of the DHS (which they supported) along with us crazy liberals, Anarchists, and other various left oriented groups - there re protests, complaints and more conspiracies flying around than at a UFO convention.
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OK... So where is your comparison? Personally I have always had issues with the way the government spends their money. While I did object to that last round of bailouts that Bush had something to do with, it is nothing like what we are seeing now.
More importantly... The bailouts/spending are not just about the president, he cannot simply write a check and be done. This is about all the OTHER elected officials that approved this crap that we are seeing, some of it sight-unseen until after the approval.
I do not care for CBO... but this is not about him. It is about a problem that seems to grow worse every year. If you cannot see that, then I am concerned that you are not really looking. -
My comparison is the recent outcry when - as you have stated, spending, taxation, and corporate welfare has existed for decades and both Democratic and Republican administrations.
But there was no conservative outcry then.
Where were the tea parties when Reagan taxed the rich at 39%+? Where were the outcries when the big three auto makers started on corporate welfare decades ago? Where was the outrage of corporate welfare programs and lobbying that cost tax payers there money for decades (and, I believe contributed heavily to the crisis we are in now). Where was the outcry over the spending in the Iraq war? Where were the tea parties when Bush devastated our reserves that were a surplus when he took office?
Right now Obama has overturned many laws that took away state's rights to decide for themselves on certain issues, and has followed suit with - in all honesty - the only financial plan that is feasible at the moment to cushion the impending economic crisis so that instead of plunging into the depths of a serious depression, we are floating about, our heads still slightly above water.
The conservatives have had decades to "protest" these things which have been happening for ages. They have had more than a few opportunities to address the problems they want addressed, and yet - they instead opted to glorify and support their (republican) president(s) without hesitation, classifying everyone and anyone who had anything tangible to protest as "anti-American" and now only now are acting "outraged".
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This has very little to do with the spending, and everything to do with partisan politics.
That's right. It's actually the beginning of the right-wing 2010 election campaign -- their non-stop campaign.
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Well, on a beautiful day here in the largest city in a red state, we had seven adults, one of whom brought their kids, and they stood on the sidewalk for an hour and a half, cheering when anyone honked and hamming it up with a colonial flag for the local Fox News camera man. There wasn't even a reporter there, just a guy with a camera. They protested at City Hall, instead of the federal building containing the IRS offices several blocks away. None of it struck me (or the others with whom I watched the event) as a protest, more as a way to get on the local news.-
I did a quick search to see just how many outraged Americans there were - from a combination of sources (AP, Fox news, Yahoo news, Washington Times, US News and World Report etc) I gathered there were about 600 gatherings across the country, with a couple hundred people each, save for DC and CT, who each had a 1,000 and an estimated 3,000 respectively.
So, lets see even if 598 demonstrations netted 400 people each, that's 239,200 protesters, plus another 4,000 from DC and CT totaling 243,200 protesters across the country, or about 8% of the country.
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It has been my experience that most folks are against government programs they personally don't like but they are okay with the ones they do like. I guarantee you that the tea baggers for all their posturing favor some government somewhere.
Trouble is everyone has a different view on exactly what to cut. You may not like defense but others do. You may think child health care is already generous enough but a lot of folks see it otherwise. So we get a little bit of everything and a whole lot of some things.
That's why elections count. It's not about the size of the pie but the size of the slices because at the end of the everyone be they lliberal or conservative, Democrat or Repubilcan will spend government money on the things they like and try to cut as best they can the things they don't like.-
The United States constitution does not give the Federal government the power to do many of the government programs that it funds. Those programs should be done by local, county and state governments.
I protest just as loud against Republican overreach as well as Democrats overreach. Socialism is socialism whether it is for groups or business.
I do believe that those who are down and out need some help now and then but not life time benefits. People becomes slaves to the government when they are given everything they need. Again there are those who cannot function on their own and need government help.
What I am against is the reach into your bedroom, into your pocket to fund things that you would not fund and for taking away rights that the constitution give us.
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What the Constitution does provide is a framework within which such questions can be settled. Times change and governments change with them or perish. You and I are not all that far apart on some opinions, but having worked inside the belly of the beast for many years I guess I take a more resigned view to the hypocrisies and idiocies of the system, which as bad as it is does every once in a while lurch uncontrollably into the truth. And part of that truth is that every one wants something and they are willing to let the other guy get a taste of what he wants so they can have what they want. It's not the size of the pie but the size of the slices that matter in the real world. Or as the old saying goes, we have met the enemy and it is us.
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It's very easy to have a blind eye and make fun of someone or ones trying to make a difference in a peaceful manner!
It isn't about President Obama or X-Presidents Bush - Clinton - Reagan etc etc, they are and were only a President of United States.. they come and go every 4 - 8 years.. but it is about about the money being handed out willy nilly by our government.
People need to get a grip and start understanding that the precious President isn't being put down, but the whole government.
Someone needs to start being accountable. I have protested for many years about our government spending, but I am just one voice in the sea of don't bother me I am too busy living my life of being mad at the Democrats or being mad at the Republicans and am doing all I can to make it impossible to get anything done till I get what I want...people.
Meanwhile we are getting deeper and deeper... without any stopping or accountability in sight..
If President Obama is all he says he is then he will understand the hearts of those protesting and start looking seriously into the spending habits of the government he is presiding over. I may be wrong about this but didn't he loudly announce during his campaign that he wanted to be held accountable?-
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090415/ap_on_bi_ge/tax_day_protests
In Atlanta, thousands of people were expected to gather on the steps of the Georgia Capitol, where Fox News Channel conservative pundit Sean Hannity was set to broadcast his show Wednesday night. He's been promoting the show on Fox.
The tea parties have also been promoted by FreedomWorks, a conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington and led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas.
This time, many carried makeshift pitchforks and signs with messages aimed at the Democrats who control Congress and the White House.
The movement has attracted prominent Republicans, some considering a 2012 presidential bid.
www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21275.html
While tea party organizers say their movement is nonpartisan, the protests lean hard to the right: Newt Gingrich and Michelle Malkin are on board, as is Freedom Works, an organization run by former Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey. And more than a dozen prominent Republicans were set to participate in tea party protests Wednesday, including South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and a slew of other Republicans from Congress.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041503177.ht...
"Hey Big Brother: Show us Your Real Birth Certificate," said one sign in the rain-soaked crowd.
"Blackbeard Obama, King of the Tax Pirates," said another.
A third showed the president dressed up as Steve Urkel, the nerdy black kid with big glasses and suspenders from "Family Matters." "Did I do that?" the sign said, showing a graph of the economy plunging.
Young girls wore T-shirts printed with the message "Don't tax me, bro" -- a play on a protester's famous "Don't tase me, bro" cry at a John Kerry event.
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awgi.J4D_0Tc
The protests, planned by conservative online groups, were inspired by CNBC’s Rick Santelli, who called for a “Chicago tea party” during a segment in February to protest the Obama administration’s policies, according to the organizers’ Web site. About 30,000 people in more than 40 cities took part in the first round of demonstrations on Feb. 27, organizers said.
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/online-efforts-boost-tax-day-tea-p...
The hundreds of grassroots events staged around the nation to protest America's tax burden showcased successful efforts by conservatives to mobilize thousands of participants via Facebook, Twitter and other social media outlets. Liberals once dominated that realm.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516618,00.html
ALYSSA CORDOVA, COLLEGE STUDENT: I'm out here because, as a conservative, I don't really get to see a lot gatherings and people showing big support for my ideas, especially on a college campus. So I just find this truly inspirational that people are just finally so fed up with the expansion of government that they're willing to come out here in this horrible weather -- it's so cold and rainy -- and just really show their support for, you know, shrinking the government and putting an end to, you know, these ridiculous policies that are trying to take away all of our freedoms.
I find it odd, and hypocritical that there is all of a sudden an outrage at taxation, and outrage at "taking away freedoms" (what freedoms have been taken away by Obama? Where were they during the Bush administration?).
The fact that Fox news made some of the protests into a live show with conservative's favorite pundits, and organizing came from groups that are not only conservative, not only funding some 2012 candidate hopefuls, and were not only silent for all of those years prior, but have also been the loudest Anti-Obama groups out there (some even perpetuating some of the the most heinous rumors about him). -
Of Course there will be some taking advantage of the situation.. to voice thier stupidity... But then again if that is what you're looking for that is what you will find... a few idiots do not speak for all of America!
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The local press here reported that there were about 5000 protesters at the state capitol building in Olympia. And Anok, you are dead on about the irony of these creeps who were so critical of all the liberal protests during the Bush years. To me the whole tea party thing seems like a bunch of spoiled cry babies who refuse to grasp that they lost the last election. Feh.-
Oh!... So that's it... Well... I guess then.... if anyone has any complaints about the USA's economy, taxes, debts, and any other issues that trouble our country, better just sit down and wait out the next four or eight years till a new President is voted in... no-one wants to be accused of being a racist or cry baby now do we..
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demand change? do you think that new economic policies will take hold overnight. It took Bush what eight years to take the surplus Clinton handed him and turn it into the largest debt ever amassed? And now after 2 months, people are up in arms about how Obama is trying to fix it...craziness!
If you don;t agree with the path of current policies by all means voice your opinion. I may not agree with what you say, but I'll die protecting you're right to say it! However, this whole "tea Party" business seems like a bunch of babies asking for a quick fix to a complicated problem. -
No one called you or anyone else a racist, articulates. And yes, frankly, at this point I do believe that all Americans have a patriotic obligation to give President Obama the opportunity to begin to fix the horrendous mess that Bush got us into. And if you're not willing to do that, I call you a traitor and a disgrace.
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@Jeybetee…
I am assuming that you are directing this response to me… because libdrone agrees with you… and in saying that… Anyone with a brain knows that the mess things are in right now are not going to be fixed overnight and no where will you find that I said it will.
I have lived in the United States for a long, long, time and have seen a lot of things get done and not get done… and as I said further up this thread, that I have been using my voice to disagree with new policies for quite a few Presidents now… Democrats and Republicans... conservatives or liberals… and for your information it took a lot longer then “the Bush years“ for things to get this bad… I truthfully think that President Obama is a brave man for taking this on.
And what makes you think I wouldn‘t do the same for you (die for your right to be wrong)? So throwing those words at me doesn’t change any opinions I may have.
Here we go with the baby name calling again… So much for grown adults trying to solve a dilemma… too busy blaming… pointing fingers… and acting self-righteous.. Wow… that’ll get a lot done! -
Hmmmm… so because I don’t agree with people attacking others when they are using their right to peacefully protest… (Whether I agree with them or not)… I am now being told I will be called a traitor and a disgrace… How about that… Amazing isn’t it… that you would say that to me and not have any idea who I voted for or how I feel about things...
And yes I have heard people being called racist many times because they disagreed with something our President has done or is doing... It is being used as a weapon to silence people… along with the words… ”Conservative”… or… “Liberal”... being tossed around like dirty words, trying to shame anyone who may have a differing opinion or idea...
And for the record I think President Obama is doing the best he can... and if I should disagree or agree with anything he is doing or has done I will say so… Just like anyone else that lives in United States should do, and that does not make me a traitor or a disgrace… it makes me a proud citizen of United States that uses my freedom of speech that many have fought and died for…
And about my handle… obvious from your reaction to what I said... it fits me quite well!
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I'm looking past taxes and tea parties to when we as a nation can heal our division:
www.examiner.com/x-7312-Miami-Interfaith-Spirituality-Examiner~y2009m4d14-F...-
The country cannot really be healed until the crimes of the past have been prosecuted. We're learning more every day about the details of illegal wiretapping and torture by the Bush administration. These crimes must be prosecuted so they don't happen again.
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Just a suggestion to the conservatives: Stop blaming "liberals" and Obama and Pelosi for everything. Once you start throwing around terms like "marxist" a lot of us think you are a loon and stop listening. You may actually have something to say but you are only getting the attention of hate mongers.-
They are loons. Racist loons.
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There are reasonable rational conservatives who have ideas worthy of vetting. Unfortunately they don't get the airtime.
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I agree with you xmarks!
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There are reasonable rational conservatives who have ideas worthy of vetting. Unfortunately they don't get the airtime.
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Andrew Sullivan.
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Unfortunately the most grounded conservatives I know are not on TV. Rush and Hannity and Mark Lavin need to be dramatic for ratings.
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I have the best pictures of one in my county on my blog just click on my pic and then goto my blog to see them. -
NewBlogger2008 is correct.
The link provided to the 9/12 Project is just what the tea parties are evolving towards.
It is not simply about Obama.
The two parties are two heads on a single body, there is no real difference between them. They may say two different things but the one body is slithering both the heads to the same destination.
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