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Are there too many "make money online" type of blogs?
Posted by LisaT • 1 year ago • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS]
Topics: blog, Marketing
I don't know about you but everytime I check blog communities, there's tons of new make money online blogs that pop up. Sure enough, after a few weeks, many die from neglect but then another wave replaces them.
Do you think this "niche" has hit saturation point?
I don't have anything against them personally but isn't it like slicing a pie into so many tiny slivers that it doesn't make any economic sense?
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I think it hit its saturation point a very long time ago, and that it wasn't all that well-founded a niche in its best days. There's a certain gold rush mentality surrounding the Internet, but unfortunately it's mimicking the pattern of the original gold rush all too closely: the real visionary people who saw its potential early and made something of it when it was developing had a shot that will never exist again; now, it's just like any other area of business, where it takes sweat and investment to make a living. Unfortunately, the "fools" continue to flood in with the get-rich-quick mentality.-
John Chow did pretty well with it considering that he put up his blog around a year ago. The pattern is pretty straightforward:
a) subscribe to the big 'money blogger' feeds
b) rewrite what they say or make a post about your comment
c) post about new blog tools by getting the info from ars technica
That's pretty much it.. from what I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, there's some real useful gems out there. But most are rehashed stuff. -
I suspect that blogging is John Chow's full time job. Probably anyone who was willing to invest the same amount of effort they would in a career-type job in blogging could make a comparable income that way. Unfortunately, the mentality that shows up so often on the web seems to revolve around blogging for fifteen minutes a day poolside and raking in cash the rest of the time.
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I would disagree with you...I don't think blogging has even come close to reaching it's peak and that includes the make money online niche.
I would expect a number of bloggers who think it's "easy" to drop off eventually. If they are in it with incorrect or unrealistic expectations then they will be disappointed quickly.
I find it interesting how much backlash their seems to be against the make money blogs yet the thousands of celebrity blogs or tech blogs or shopping blogs that populate the net are never mentioned.
Nobody ever rails on about the number of crappy gaming websites out there even though their are probably more of them than make money blogs.
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I am not "railing". If anything, maybe this discussion would pave the way for a "standards" sheet that would make a future wave of "make money online" blogs more profitable and effective.
As for John Chow being a fulltime blogger, I think his success lies less on the fact that he does it fulltime than in the fact that he offers real value. For the generic mmo blog crowd: What's preventing people with no time to invest to just using a paid blogger/blog traffic service like blogempirebuilders to do their 'make money blog' on the cheap?
There are some very good blogs out there that actually have well-researched and effective information... but they are far and few between (and increasingly crowded out by the 'me too' type blogs)
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www.kobrascorner.com/rant/blogging-for-money.php
Yes. Yes! A thousand times yes!
I can't stand them with their crappy, error-inducing layouts and their supersaturation of banner ads. Look at them, staring at me every time I click the Stumble! button; taunting me.
TAUNTING ME, I say!-
I LOVE your blog, Kobra. Funny stuff! Reminds me of Maddox but with less profanity and more intellectual. Keep up the good work!
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Thanks.
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yep, I like your blog.
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Yeah, I think there are WAY to many out there. And yes, I have one but I try to separate mine from others because I also help individuals out personally, NOT just with blog. I have a lot of people contacting me via e-mail, social sites asking me how to do things and I gladly help.
But I do think it's quite funny the fact that there are a LOT of money making blogs with posts like "5 Ways of getting TONS of traffic" or "Make LOTS of money doing this and that" but yet, they barely get ANY visitors or make any money at all.-
Irony is a beautiful thing.
(Especially when used in the right context! Argh! (www.kobrascorner.com/rant/irony-unholy-apocalypse.php)) -
That's because that info was "recycled" from somebody else's blog. LOL
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Nothing wrong with a little competition. Most of these new money making bloggers dont even last a month. People start off with such high expectations and when they dont get rich overnight they become discouraged and give-up.-
The more that give up, the merrier.
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True. There seems to be a Cambrian dimension to the waves upon waves of mmo blogs. I just hope it doesn't reach the same point as gambling and porn blogs--"web entrepreneurs" using software to create 10000000 blogs off blogger, blogsome, and other blogging platforms, stuffing them with RSS-driven content "syndicated with consent" from legit sites, text randomized (crappilly :(), and posted to the 100000000 blogs. Rinse and repeat day after day. Each blog gets maybe 2 to 10 Search engine hits but if you multiply that with the number of blogs, it amounts to a nice chunk of traffic.
so splogarrific.
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i totally agree. too many-
It would be okay if it was all microniched but they aren't.
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too many. too many ugly looking ones. have you ever come across the one with the asian couple and the girl with braces? horrible pic. -
Yes and I never read any of them. What perplexes me is in wondering what kind of person goes to a money blog (especially a really popular one) and actually clicks the ads? Hahaha...someone is! They are virtually all the same and are just polluting the blogosphere. Many try to mask their quest for "friendship" behind the guise of greed but the goal is only about making money. The people really looking to make money while making or being honorable friends will never make any sizable income. Hearing from a money blogger is often like getting a Christmas card from your lawyer.-
And that's why I question the integrity of people who put ads on their pages.
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So you're saying it's just a giant click circle jerk?
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You took the words right out of my mouth XD
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Their is definitely a circle jerk going on...no doubt....but it seems to be in this thread.
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Your statement is a logical fallacy. Besides, LisaT is obviously a woman so that wouldn't work.
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That's a good way to put it, Lisa, and it's what separates the "make money" blogs from the other niches. With tech and game blogs, they might share a few website links in common, but their ads aren't directly targeting each other.
Now cantgetrich.com, that's a breath of fresh air.-
True. So there's a problem with the whole MMO business model. All these sites poaching off the same ad pool thereby splitting the pie even thinner.
I think it might work if it goes the microniche route. Kinda doubtful considering it's almost on autoblog mode (ie., watch what 2 or 3 blogs say and rehash and publish--repeat across thousands of blogs independently). I'm not saying this doesn't happen with gaming or forex blogs but it seems problematic given the business model and other weaknesses posted above. -
LisaT, I can already tell reams about you when you use a word like "microniche"... please.. .this is like watching the blind leading the blind.
Do yourself a favor, seriously, go pick up the book, "Blue Ocean Strategy" and, immediately after reading it, you'll see this huge sea of MMO blogs very differently.
In fact, you'll be ECSTATIC that they are all here...
Sam
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There are too many online money making newbies. And most newbies start with promoting "make money online" products, ebooks, thats probably why. -
yes there are too many and there are too many who are planning to make one too. and those people who are planning to make one, are the one who sees it as "TOO MANY". people who are afraid to start one, because there are "TOO MANY"... so what if there are "TOO MANY"?!!!...
the reason why something is bad, is because of the people who are seeing it BAD!!! are they jealous or what?... why can't we just mind our own business, and do our own thing. there are really too many jerks actually, than mmo-
In my case, I think there are too many because the sheer number of them that I run into on my daily web-surf has made me not ever want to surf the internet. The internet is too clogged up with their bullshit.
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Actually, I think that many see them as bad because they're largely poorly written, cluttered with advertising, add nothing to the information that is already common knowledge, and purport to offer advice on something their authors have not yet achieved themselves.
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And really do you want to read a Make Money Online Blog from someone that has like a seven million alexa rating and their site is designed like a forth grader did it? I feel that is like half of the make money online blogs.
Also I hate the whole, "I made this much money in one month post." It is gauche and usually misleading... Maybe I should start one and pile all my freelance into it... I would be doing better than most of these people. -
Kevin, your first point here reminded me of a post I wrote three or four years ago and recently recycled; sadly, the phenomena of which you speak predates the blogging explosion: rockstories.blogspot.com/2007/12/another-rerun.html
(I'm often tempted by those "how much money did you make online last month?" threads myself. Perhaps we should all start responding with technically accurate figures, just to put things in perspective.) -
Technically if you think about it I got the current job I have now through someone that was a blog reader of mine. I work online all day so does that count as well?
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That's always my temptation. I was on salary with an internet marketing firm until January, so the answer to "how much did you make online last month?" was always several thousand dollars, even before any freelancing came into play.
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wow we are good we should start a blog... between what you and I make we already have a leg up on 97.5% of the blogs out there in this niche
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That's why I love Problogger.com. Most of the post there mentioned about managing your blog quality- the bottom-line to successfully making money on-line.
If you look at those make money blogs, hardly they mention about these things. All they rattle about are paid for. Heck, most of their income comes from paid postings!
They don't have any credibility to back-up their authority. Only gullible readers.-
As I mentioned before, there are only a few blogs that are fairly compelling in the "make money online" blog space--shoemoney, problogger, and john chow. There are some good smaller ones like the one run by maki and a few others. The rest seem to be just clones. Maybe if they followed the advice of Darren Rowse of problogger, the whole MMO blogosphere would work out without polluting the general blogosphere.
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It's because of all the crappy, lackluster blogs that those you mention make money. Do you REALLY believe that probloggers are going to give out their real secrets for free? A large part of it even includes fooling one's self into thinking you really are trying to help people.
You are either MAKING MONEY or HELPING PEOPLE MAKE MONEY. While, theoretically, both are possible, most of what people experience is "the desire to make money under the guise of helping or being helped." It takes a great understanding and discipline to reverse the two in order to "help others under the guise of making money."
No more than 2 minutes apart, I saw two well-known, successful entrepreneurs completely contradict each other - one said that there was really no such thing as "true residual income" while the other emphasized the higher end of earning residual income. Now, I've met with and spoken to 100s, even 1000s, of people and, to put it bluntly, there's a LOT of intellectually challenged people trying to make it in this business. What chance do they really have when they're constantly walking into contradictions like that?
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I would agree that some of the names you've mentioned have seen success and that there ARE tidbits of wisdom in their writing but that, in my experience, is just to keep people coming back for more. I doubt you'll find a significant number of people who would claim to have made good, break-free, income due to the probloggers information... maybe a car or mortgage payment... but that's not what they're sellin'... they're selling pictures of Adsense (etc) checks with $100k-$200k on them... amongst other "and you too can do this!" high-earnings scenarios.
But, I'm glad you like them... let me know when you get your first jacuzzi and I'll bring the Mike's Hard Lemonade...
Sam
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Greetings
The truth is, blogging about making money online works. Plain and simple.
Biobob-
Define "works".
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Forget defining "works", Bob - how about you just stop lying. Imagine, someone asks a question, and even though it's feebly asked and generally worded, you give an answer with absolutely no nutrition at all.
"It works. Plain and simple."
MadameX was, it seems, at least willing to go a few times round the mulberry bush with you but I know what a statement like yours means... you tasted a couple sales so now you think you're an authority enough to say that "it" works... whatever IT is... you should be ashamed. -
Greetings MadameX
Sorry about not giving you a more detailed answer, for I
was on my way out the door.
How does my business work?
Once a prospective client request information
on my business I simply answer all their questions.
Then, if they are interested in my business and want to learn more/join, I give them my complete support.
Is all about having a support system in place to help my clients get setup and succeed.
This is how my business works.
I don't appreciate being called dishonest("how about you just stop lying") by Samfreedom so I will not dignify his remarks with an answer.
Sorry you got caught in the middle of this MadameX.
Regards
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@Bob - I wasn't asking for you to dignify my statement. It stands alone. The fact that someone would ask a question and your response is to just say it works... plainly and simply... says all anyone really needs to know. If you were too busy rushing out the door to give a more detailed answer then you should have waited until you could give a proper answer...
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Greetings
I've made sales with my Blog.
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In my mind, there's still a lot of information to be unearthed before I can agree that that means it "works". What kind of investment is required to make how many sales, at what profit? I recently had a comment on my blog post about how Associated Content wasn't really a good deal for most writers mention that he made about $300/month through AC. That didn't sound like a bad little supplemental income, until he elaborated that he achieved this by writing 50-60 articles for AC in a month. Even in the absolute worst-paying markets out there, like local newspapers and online newsletters, those same 50-60 articles would have netted him $1200-1500, and the pay rate he was actually receiving breaks down to $5-6/article. That's not "working" in my mind, so I think it's important to define the terms.
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Your question is asked as if from the viewpoint of a "follower" - you refer to "make money online" blogs as if the generalization really covers them all AND you are asking as if someone should say, "yes" or "no" but the thing that would bring you a greater, more useful, understanding is if someone pushed you to reconstitute the question in terms of "how can make money blogs be of any use to me?" - otherwise, why ask? Just for entertainment - to see how many responses you can get? Just to start a big conversation imagining that somehow a nugget of wisdom will show up?
Seriously, why do you care? Are they stopping you from pursuing your happiness? Are you curious about them and would like to find a way to try one out but with a lot better guidance than the bulk of them? What is the purpose of the question? Why should anyone answer you other than "because this is a place for discussions" because there are cheap discussions and then there are really good discussions.
And the really good discussions start with a really good question... or, in the very least, someone who is willing to have their question questioned.
To answer your question my way... what you call "make money online" blogs are not really make money online blogs at all. They're a symptom whose causal problem lies in people who got lucky, at a time when conditions were favorable and more forgiving of mistakes and idiocy, and then passed on their formula and experience, as if it were truth, to bigger masses of wishful dreamers who had no defense against it.
Hence, you have all these pseudo-make-money-online blogs clogging up the blogosphere and not making any money at all. And each, in their effort to appear knowledgeable, spreads the original lies as well, creating more pseudo-make-money-online blogs. Those who know how to make money online will then, ironically, take these failures and make money from them.
If I had not seen enough of this, studied it up close, rubbed elbows with some of the bigger names in the business, I might have thought it all very sad but, there's a curious phenomenon that comes along with all this lunacy, the know-nothing, psuedo-make-money-online bloggers all share one astonishing, self-defeating characteristic: they fight to remain ignorant.
Leaders can tolerate discomfort; most people can't. So most people will remain consumers and followers no matter what they call themselves or do.
Sam -
Works is different for different people.
If some make a nickel and they're happy with it then so be it. If you don't want to read them then so what...don't.
I still wonder why the hatred towards MMO blogs when the internet is also cluttered up with garbage celebrity blogs, gossip blogs, fashion blogs etc that are all of similar quality.
It has become popular to be a MMO basher....even when some of your own sites are equally as useless and cluttered with the same garbage you rail on about from others.
Click through to some of the posters in this very thread to see what I mean.
Value is different to different people, if it isn't your cup of tea, why not just change the channel.-
*sigh*
I still remember when blogs were run by interesting people, excellent writers, intelligent people, creative people, or even normal people. I guess I got off in the wrong crowd of people for a while there, because every post I read was "OMG! Andrea SLEPT WITH HER HUBBY LAST NIGHT! [insert filthy name calling here]". Sadly these are people in their mid to late 30s writing posts like that.
I think everyone with internet access should be aware of what a blog is, and all blogs rounded up at the end of the year, voted on, and permanently removed from the internet if they're of poor quality. Seriously. -
"It has become popular to be a MMO basher....even when some of your own sites are equally as useless and cluttered with the same garbage you rail on about from others."
Are you referring to mine? I have a short temper; just so you know. -
BE, for me the answer to that is that the proliferation of "get rich quick and easy blogging" blogs helps feed a mentality that's destructive. Yes, in part it plays to those who are just lazy and looking to cash in without any effort, but it also plays to those who have few resources and options and are desperate to generate some income, and for the most part encourages them to misdirect their energies into things that aren't going to help them, or not much. The only difference I can see between the "make money blogging" movement and the old "make money stuffing envelopes" scam is that you don't have to send $29.95...but even that's a technical distinction, since many (most?) of these blogs DO push useless products on an affiliate basis, making much of their money online by skimming it from those looking to make money online and then encouraging them to pass the cost along to the next sucker.
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MadamX - I don't disagree with your thought process but wouldn't it be more responsible and more accurate to condemn the blogs that actually partake in that practice, rather than lumping them all together?
That's my only point.
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LOL @ Pointless... honestly, I know a very successful young woman that posts her "freelance" work included into her monthly income. And hey, if it works, then it works. Why not do it?
I mean, people want to see people succeed and others want to see them fail. Either way, it's good publicity, right? ;-)-
Greetings
I agree you whojaybe
Biobob
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Voodoo...no I wasn't but your short temper really is pretty obvious. Do you disagree with my statement in general or are you simply defending your site?
Medicated....your last post was asking if anyone wanted to do a link exchange and was 2 lines long.....do you really want your own blog vanquished from the web?
I agree with Jay....online freelance writing is definitely money made online in my opinion.-
I just wanted to make sure you weren't making baseless allegations; my site doesn't have and never has had an ad on it :D.
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I just wanted to make sure you weren't making baseless allegations; my site doesn't have and never has had an ad on it :D.
I do have to agree, though. Hypocrisy is hip nowadays. -
Whoops. Database error.
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I haven't had time to really blog--with my host gone, I have to install everything myself on a computer that's on it's last legs, plus run the server. I'm lucky I got lunch today.
Yeah, I know, excuses, excuses. At least there's no bad karma surrounding my blog (ie: I don't infringe on other people's rights nor do I post lies or libel other bloggers--that's the crowd I just got out of). -
medicated: I'm glad you have the integrity to not resort to such tactics.
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I thought you were just so angry you had to repeat yourself. :-)
Not having ads doesn't mean it isn't cluttered with useless crap....just so you know....but again no I am not specifying anyone in general.-
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"I thought you were just so angry you had to repeat yourself. :-)"
That too.
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The love of all my ardent admirers is the only reward I need in this crazy blogging world.-
Plus money.
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You must never surf the net, then.
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i'm kind of a mmo basher. and my blog is a mmo blog. what's the big deal. bloggers don't do anything really. it's just a bunch of dorks typing on the keyboard. if a blogger wants to write about how other people are making money. so be it. isn't it all about entertainment. i visit blogs not to restore my soul, or learn something. i read it cause it's fun to read. if you enjoy reading about making money....even if the info is not any good...then do it. if you don't, then read something else.
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Too much MMO blogs ...maybe...but, there are also many different MMO blogs on the net. This comes also from a problem when you submit your blog. Not many to choose from when it's related on "making money", everything is filled under "business".
That said, I have myself a MMO blog, not selling anything though and as for now without ad. If I began to blog for money, it's mainly because I'm disabled, and I, like everybody else, need money to survive. Ok ok, I'm not starving from hunger, but, when I can't pay my bills in time, it upsets me, when my husband has to go work monthes long at the other end of the world because we need money, it upsets me even more...
I don't consider my activity range as a business though, it's nothing in comparison to those doing real business, and if I had another category to submit to, I would gladly do it.
But now, just answer me, if you couldn't work, and you needed money, what would you do, knowing you could grab a couple of $ here and there?
Though, maybe the mentality is different, I'm not doing this in order to have MORE money, I try to do this the best I can, without deliberate lie in order to have ENOUGH money. I have already enough health problems to hate to have to worry about money. And I wouldn't sell crap things and try to cheat my readers to sell more.
My "business" is vital for me, even if I win only a couple of hundreds...as I know I couldn't do without them. It's also important for me, because it allows me to have a "social" occupation, something to do beside my homework and starring at the ceilings.
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I think there is to many "non-quality" money making blogs. It seems like people decided they want to make money blogging but they don't know what they want to blog about so they decide to blog about making money. Then they set-out figuring out how to do it using the very blog they just created.
There are some new money making blogs, which are great quality.
I really enjoy this one: www.hochstadt.com. He has a proven track record in other niches and is therefore qualified to speak on the subject.
It seems like many of the money making blogs are written by people that haven't made money on the internet, they just want to.-
LeisaWatkins, I agree with you about the "non quality". But I would tend to think mine can also be seen as "non quality" depending on who is reading it. if the subject you devellop doesn't interest the one who reads it, it can be perceived as "non quality" also...But you're however right, lol. For me "non quality" would look like an ad blog, I mean pages full of ads with no personal written content. As long as the "author" spends time to write himself about what he's talking, I think it can't be judged as "non quality", he puts efforts in it, even if the result can seem "poor" on some eyes.
For my own case,(and I know I'm far from being the only one), it costs me much time to write posts on my blog, especially because english is not my mothertongue (but you certainly noticed ;o) ), I put a lot of work in it, even if the result is far from perfection. But I just do the best I can, because I try to show respect to those who will (maybe) read me.
I quote you here : "It seems like many of the money making blogs are written by people that haven't made money on the internet, they just want to."
My answer would be : sure !!! but one must begin somewhere ;o), in fact that's the goal, and it's understandable...what is not though, is that some of these people CLAIM to have made money where they didn't, that's lie, scam, whatever you want. But trying to set up a MMO blog because they want (wish, hope)to earn money is legit, or? -
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Exactly... before they've experienced success, they parrot the words of those they believe are successful... or ARE successful but are giving outdated information that helped them several years ago.
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Exactly. Kinda makes you wonder... if someone really does have the "secret" why share it? Specially for $.50 Adsense clicks?
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@Lisa
Well, they might share it with you once they get you in their sales funnel and the Adsense is meant to bring you there... but, you, as a potential buyer, still don't know that heading in...
This place, psychologically, is the exoteric... it is where the know-nothings discuss how much they don't know.
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There is. That's why its rather competitive to earn money online nowadays.
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I would say that there are too many sites using repurposed content from that sector. You can still do wonderful though if you can build trust with folks. We recommend building a group and keeping it targeted. Most of the make money sites just want people on their list to market to over and over. They may have a 100k people on their list with a 1-2% buy rate if that. We keep our lists small and targeted. So we may have 100 to 1000 or so but have an open rate of our ezine for example of 130% and 50 thousand in revenue from leadgen from one list.
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Someone once said, "If it's too good to be true, it usually is."
I think it's a valid remark that the money making blogs are written by people that haven't made money on the internet, they just want to. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a bit tired of receiving BlogCatalog messages like "I wish you visit my site and join my community." or "Join my neighbourhood and VISIT my Blog $$$! Give me your comments. BLAH BLAH BLAH!" I consider it spamming when they don't even consider returning the favor. These are shams!
I have to wonder what makes most bloggers experts on making money on the web? I have an inquiring mind, I want to know. I haven't heard of their blog called How-To-Swindle-Your-Grandma-Out-Of-Her-Last-Dollar.com
It's not listed in the top 10 on Googleyes or Yahoops, no Alexa-dyslexia rankings. My response is: "visit my site and join my community then I'll do the same for you." Of course I'm just collecting fodder for my next blog entry with their dull and oft mimicked approach of capturing interest as to their ADD-know-how-on-internet robbery.
I write and blog for enjoyment, not for making money. It seems like alot of people are just blogging about what they've heard or read to do with their blogs. Slap a bunch of googly nonsense ads all over it, write about making money that you aren't making, sign up for sponsors that never pay out, advertise like it's better than sliced bread with a smear of hype, follow the same cookie cutter routine that ends up like similar schemes that fit inside a tidy little box inside another tidy little box and so on that rarely ever works.
In fact you're lucky if it does. Keep trying I guess.
Look if it happens that I would make money doing what I enjoy then that would be something entirely different. Success should not be measured by the worldly standards of Web-traffic hits, true success is measured by quality rather than quantity. And most of what is out there in the "trapezoidal marketing 419 spamming pump-and-dump viagara schemes" is just that. -
Well if they're that many out there writing about making money they must be doing it for a reason.
I gave up on the whole ad thing a long time ago. I keep a blog because I enjoy it, not because it makes money. I'll just keep buying lotto tickets. -
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It's interesting to note the evolution of John Chow's blog. Now, it's more of a "MMO lifestyles" blog with a focus on restaurant reviews, travel, and other lifestyle topics with a little webmaster/seo/traffic tips thrown in for spice.
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John Chow is one of the few people who are successful at it. More power to him. What bothers me is the legion of doppelgangers that follow at his heels.
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