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Would it be a fair statement to say, "Atheism symbolizes true independence, self-sufficiency, and personal accomplishment."

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  1. hatingtherain
    Not really. Some athiests are complete morons.
    1. oscargecko
      Some atheists are. But some are brilliant. Same goes for Christians... some are morons and some are brilliant.
    2. hatingtherain
      You're the one who started the discussion with a generilzation, not me.
    3. hatingtherain
      PS, I'm an Athiest, I just don't like sweeping generizations, even if they put my own beliefs in a good light.
    4. oscargecko
      I was kinda wondering. But at the same time, I do not want to start any name calling. It just wouldn't be right.
  2. hatingtherain
    I would say the Mormons, or better yet, the Amish, show more self-sufficiency as a group than Athiests.
  3. kat822
    I really can't relate so I guess I can't leave a comment
  4. cathy13
    Just curious here, how does an athiest symbolize personal accomplishment?
  5. Rory
    You can't use a statement in reference to all peoples within a category like that, as there will always be an exception. This includes any religion, sex, species, etc, etc, etc.

    I, on the other hand, do fit in to that statement!!
  6. acousticguitarist
    No no, Atheists are just too dumb to accept me, Jesus, Buddha or Krishna as their cult leader
    1. oscargecko
      Have you ever had your image seen in a piece of toast???
    2. acousticguitarist
      no but i saw someone famous in an eggplant, (sorry for the slow reply)
  7. siralmo
    i don't think so... i think atheism is the ultimate conformism, conformism through non-conformism
  8. obviouslydarren
    Isn't Atheisim just not believing in a God? Surely anything above that is down to the individual and can't be generalised.
  9. pinkmonkeychatter
    No...an athesist is no more right or wrong than any other human. Self worship is just as destructive as idol worship.
    1. jeremyjanson
      Or universe worship in some cases.
    2. voodooKobra
      That's pantheism.
  10. gerryPlanetEarth
    Aetheism like religion is a belief or hypothesis...
  11. nothingprofound
    I agree with what several people have already stated: an atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in a god or gods. Any other claim or statement made about the character of said person is pure conjecture.
  12. MissSuzie
    Oh god (or lack thereof).
  13. oscargecko
    I am not trying to redefine atheism. I ran across that statement and thought about how close it may be.

    I have personally had on that is a friend tell me this, "hmmm....kinda yes and kinda no. I think Atheism symbolizes all of these things for me...but for others it might be different. Good question though...."
  14. robinj
    Atheism is all well and good but do people realize if you dont believe in anything that in itself is still a belief
    1. oscargecko
      I agree. And that is why atheists are protected by the First Amendment.

      It is like the that ol' Rush song... "By not choosing, you've made your choice already."
  15. stellak
    For me an atheist is someone whose definition of life and the world around him doesnt include the presence of a superior being.
    Ive spoken to atheists who say they experience a sense of freedom by freeing themselves from the shame or fear that may come from organized religion.
  16. AndyRD
    No. Some of the people that I know that happen to Atheists are actually very smart and nice, and don't prejudge, but others are pretty much self-glorified assholes, and one of them is one-hundred percent certifiable, of the kind I wouldn't even leave my dog with.
  17. urikalish
    Science is not just another type of religion.
    1. gerryPlanetEarth
      By the same token aetheism is not Science...
    2. urikalish
      Well, by "believing" only in science, you're almost kind of forced into atheism.
    3. nothingprofound
      Wouldn't "believing" in science defeat the whole purpose of science?
    4. urikalish
      Quotes around believing. Science is not a religion.
    5. siralmo
      NP science is defined as learning through observation

      and thus your sentence makes no sense
    6. jeremyjanson
      @siralmo: How do you learn there is no God by observing?
    7. nothingprofound
      Siralmo- you misunderstood my remark. I am saying the exact same thing you said. I was responding to urikalish's use of the word "believing."
  18. Avellar
    true independence, self-sufficiency, personal accomplishment? Possibly on a persona level yes. But the fact is your choices of right and wrong, what you where, what you buy, these aren't really you choices, they are the outcome of the marketing machine to make you a specific way. I have seen a grown number of Atheists and it does seem to be more a trend than to be a personal choice.
  19. ismsandologies
    Sounds more like Shelley's Prometheus. He was a whiner, though.

    Who wants to go down the ubermensch road with this quote?
  20. voodooKobra
    I would think that pearlistic philosophy would fit better. Most of the "New Atheists" fit the definition of pearlist, and I think that's what oscargecko is getting at.
    1. oscargecko
      My thoughts were something like this...

      true independence: freedom from religious ties or religion

      self-sufficiency: not relying on a god for strength,
      but reaching within oneself

      personal accomplishment: accomplishment or fulfillment...
      Getting things done without the help of a god
    2. voodooKobra
      Okay, that's a fair general assessment.
  21. cazywaz
    I think that Athiests that have come out of different religions, completely explored each in depths and have been sunk in and out of belief, and have come up with the conclusion that it's all shallow or whatever there conclusion may be, then i guess its not untrue..

    .. but for me, I'm an atheist, but i think it's because I'm just too lazy.
    1. jeremyjanson
      Some people are raised atheist as well, in fact, in the past there were even entire societies based on atheism, like the Huns and the early Anglosaxons, though they were eventually converted by an odd mix of Normans and former Celtic slaves who were exalted by the Norman invaders.

      I have a friend who grew up in a Calvinist household, became an atheist for a couple years in disgust (Calvinism is the God abuses puppies theology), and then rediscovered God and became a Catholic.

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