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Boston Hospital Offering Sex Change for KIDS!

Posted by godzilla100 • 5/19/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: sex change

I am simply appalled by this..and wouldn't believe my own eyes when I saw this...

Kids are young as Seven will be treated at this hospital in Boston...

Would you let your little ones do this? If he or she or wants to become an opposite of themselves?

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5/19/08

voodooKobra

Suddenly, gay pedophile Catholic priests everywhere are appalled by the fact that their molestation victims might one day be female.

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5/19/08

JillSaxon

Do you have a link to this story?

But going JUST on the question provided, NO I would not let my 7year old change his or her sex. They'll learn soon enough you're unhappy no matter what's between your legs.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  Anniepooh
  
  Amen to that one.
5/19/08

lordiwanttobewhole

I'm disguisted but not surprised. Nothing surprises me anymore about this world!

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1. 5/19/08
  
  clioandme
  
  If there is no source cited, what is there to be disgusted about? Do you have any facts? Get those and then tell us about why you are disgusted.
2. 5/19/08
  
  lordiwanttobewhole
  
  Well,sorry, the mere thought of it disguists me, whether its cited or not!!!!!!!!!
  
  I responded because of the title, excuse me!
5/19/08

clioandme

Another story ripped out of the press completely out of context for all to scratch their heads or be outraged about. Why Godzilla? When are you going to learn to cite your sources and contextualize your comments? Until you do so, it will be hard to engage you in an online conversation.

Believe it or not, there are some complicated cases where transgendering occurs at a very young age. Dunno how I would feel about it, but the story here is eye-opening. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90247842 This story will be highly disturbing to some of you. Don't say I didn't warn you.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  timethief
  
  Here we go again.
  An emotionally charged forum post from godzilla.
  No source has been cited and no context provided.
  No OP's blog post link so presumably he hasn't even blogged it.
  
  OOPS! Sorry Mark - I just noticed that you already said that.
5/19/08

ekim941

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1. 5/19/08
  
  pointlessbanter
  
  that might be the best response EVER to a post on here .
2. 5/19/08
  
  ekim941
  
  I think it's a store but I was afraid to enter.
3. 5/19/08
  
  clioandme
  
  Whoever thought up that sign needs to be fired.
4. 5/19/08
  
  pointlessbanter
  
  spacing and punctuation are important apparently
5. 5/19/08
  
  Anok
  
  :D
6. 5/19/08
  
  ekim941
  
  One space could have made all the difference.
  
  Depending on where you put it
7. 5/19/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  Haha oh wow.
8. 5/19/08
  
  Anniepooh
  
  AHAHAHAHAHAHA .... that's good.
5/19/08

carlgalloway

Personally I have no issue with gender reassignment if that is the considered opinion of a qualified psychiatrist with backing from 2nd or 3rd opinions. A hospital undertaking this kind of surgery at an early age might be considered quite enlightened in a few years, at the moment they're taking a big risk but then as Mark's article mentions, it wasn't too long ago that homosexuality was considered treatable.

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5/19/08

godzilla100

www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/qa_with_norman_spack/

or google Dr Norman Spack

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1. 5/19/08
  
  clioandme
  
  Thank you for the link and for making it a regular news source, The Boston Globe. Looks like this story and the NPR story I linked above treat the same difficult issue.
2. 5/19/08
  
  ender
  
  if the article is read carefully, you can see that the clinic is designed to postpone any kind of permanent effects until - at a minimum - teenage years.
3. 5/19/08
  
  clioandme
  
  That's what I got out of the NPR story too, Ender. The doctors and parents take nothing lightly, nor do they do anything in haste.
5/19/08

DrowseyMonkey

For heaven's sake godzilla ... did you even read the article? You make it sound so sensational...the article is not like that at all. And, you should have put the link in your initial comment ... but then again, you were probably just looking for the sensational outrage without the context. I find that boring.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  ender
  
  wrong spot
5/19/08

gerryPlanetEarth

Norman Spack should open up a clinic with Jack Kervorkian...

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1. 5/19/08
  
  DrowseyMonkey
  
  why? that doesn't make sense.
2. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  "DrowseyMonkey
  why? that doesn't make sense."
  
  Perhaps you are right...Norman Spack should be placed in jail...
3. 5/19/08
  
  timethief
  
  @gerryPlanetEarth
  I see no relationship whatsoever between the two ie. Spack and Kevorkian.
  
  Specifically, which law do you maintain that that Spack could be charged under? Please clarify.
  
  I'm also not impressed by your attempt to put words into drowseymonkey's mouth. She "that doesn' make sense" and indeed your comment does not make sense.
4. 5/19/08
  
  ender
  
  why should he be placed in jail, gerry? that makes no sense.
5. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  timethief
  @gerryPlanetEarth
  I see no relationship whatsoever between the two ie. Spack and Kevorkian.
  
  The only relationship between spack and kervorkian is that they both should not be allowed to practice medicine...
6. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  "ender
  why should he be placed in jail, gerry? that makes no sense."
  
  Those who chemically or surgically butcher children belong in jail...
7. 5/19/08
  
  ender
  
  did you bother to read the article? all he is doing is delaying puberty for children who are rather INSISTENT on it. nothing irreversible is done until they are much older - and if they are still quite INSISTENT upon it.
8. 5/19/08
  
  DrowseyMonkey
  
  gerry ... oh I see, you think they're both doing something wrong. I didn't get that in your initial comment because they are both doing something different. Also, I don't think you read the actual article because it's nothing like the headline on this discussion thread, which is rather misleading.
5/19/08

timethief

@gerryPlanetEarth
Specifically, which law do you maintain that that Spack could be charged under? Please clarify.

Also with regard to this quote: "The only relationship between spack and kervorkian is that they both should not be allowed to practice medicine..."

Have you ever been a patient of either ore or both of these physicians?
If not, then specifically, what do you base your opinion on?

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5/19/08

timethief

@gerryPlanetEarth
I'm astonished at your lack of compassion for the suicidal transgender children referred to in the article. As ender pointed out nothing irreversible is done unless and until they become adults and insist upon further medical intervention. Moreover, the article makes it clear that the patients, their parents and psychiatrists are all part of the treatment decisions made. If you do have a feasible, alternative for these suicidal transgender children and teens please share it with us.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
2. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  Timetheif I will not waste my time answering your questions only to find them erased or changed by your abuse of the editing features...
3. 5/19/08
  
  ender
  
  if you really think someone is doing that, wait until their reply says it was made 10 minutes ago ... it can't change after that ...
5/19/08

timethief

We are responsible and accountable for the words that we share on public forums like this one. Remarkably they can be the subject of court proceedings in situations such as defamation of character and libel.

You appear to have no professional expertise related to this issue and it appears that you have no substance ie. facts upon which to buttress your very derogatory personal attacks on these physicians. You have defamed and libeled them and now you have name called them as well. IMO you are out of line.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  @timethief
  
  "You appear to have no professional expertise related to this issue and it appears that you have no substance ie. facts upon which to buttress your very derogatory personal attacks on these physicians. You have defamed and libeled them and now you have name called them as well. IMO you are out of line."
  
  By the same token your support and worship of these medical charletans is based on what..The somewhat journalistically lacking news article link presented by Godzilla ? My personal shortcomings? Or do you actually have some sort of proof that chemically or surgically altering childrens' genitals produces any medical benefit ?
  
  The conservative view is that sex determines gender, and that there is no practical difference between the two. Therefore a female cannot be anything other than a woman and the same for males. Trying to violate this divide is both impossible, unnatural, and unhealthy. It is often pointed out that chromosomes are immutable and that a male will always look like a male, not a female, even after sex reassignment surgery and hormones. Surgery and hormone therapy have medical risks which typically include infertility. While trans people may claim to feel like a certain gender, only a biological female can genuinely feel what it is to occupy a woman's body, including having experiences such as childbirth.
  
  Rather than cutting tissue by invasive surgery and starting a new life, which for the most part doesn't work, people need to find help psychiatrically...
  
  re:"We are responsible and accountable for the words that we share on public forums like this one. Remarkably they can be the subject of court proceedings in situations such as defamation of character and libel."
  
  I couldn't agree with you more but you needn't worry about me commencing legal action against you...
  
  I would gladly defend any lawsuit against me for definition of character from kervorkian, morgantaler or this latest josef mengele wannabee quack...
2. 5/19/08
  
  Chas2002
  
  I agree with this point of view but what a crazy world we live in...
5/19/08

ShadowCrystal

Actually, if a child is certain they are of a gender different than their current one.. I see nothing wrong with corrective surgery. It has been proven that transgendered people have the brain of the gender they associate with... so why deny them of feeling comfortable with themselves?

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5/19/08

aningeniousname

You can also get sex changes for your pets now.
newsdirect-aningeniousname.blogspot.com/2007/07/is-your-butch-really-bitch....

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5/19/08

clioandme

I'm curious: Have those of you with strong feelings about this treatment being wrong listened to the NPR story I linked above? I'm not asking you to buy the argument of the parents, child, and doctor, but I do hope you have heard them out. Frankly speaking, I was startled by it, but I also did not come away feeling that the parents were doing wrong by their child. More than anything else, I was left with a sense of how much I do not know.

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5/19/08

timethief

@gerryPlanetEarth
I have reported your inflammatory remarks, name calling, repeated exaggerations and personal attacks, which you have now aimed at me.

I will continue to report everyone of these despicable acts of cowardice until you learn how to articulate your point of view without launching personal attacks, defaming and libeling others and name calling.

You have said: "By the same token your support and worship of these medical charletans is based on what."

Take note that there is no post to this thread whereon I state my support for anything other than compassion and understanding for transgender children, their parents and their doctors let, alone worship. Therefore you have made a false accusation and you have personally attacked me.

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1. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  @timetheif
  
  "@gerryPlanetEarth
  I have reported your inflammatory remarks, name calling, repeated exaggerations and personal attacks, which you have now aimed at me."
  
  I have "not" reported your inflammatory remarks, name calling, repeated exaggerations and personal attacks, which you have now aimed at me and others nor do I intend to...
5/19/08

gerryPlanetEarth

@markstoneman

"More than anything else, I was left with a sense of how much I do not know."

I would agree with you and even speculate that many good practicing physicians would agree with you...

Nonetheless we should focus on what we do know...We do know that "children" are in the development stage of their human growth and are not fully matured...

We know by experience the lack of success in transsexual surgical and chemical operations...

Counselling and support are the best chances of helping a child...

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1. 5/19/08
  
  clioandme
  
  So did you listen to the story on NPR? It's hard to listen to, but it's worth it, no matter where you come down on this issue.
2. 5/19/08
  
  gerryPlanetEarth
  
  The story on Npr is 22 minutes long...I started to listen to it but I don't think that clip will somehow change the laws of nature or my opinion against surgical or chemical castration of children...
5/19/08

timethief

@Mark
Gosh ... gerryPlanet Earth just illustrated that he was capable of civilized discourse. Too bad he had to fire a cowardly false accusation at me along with a personal attack before he found his manners, isn't it?

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1. 5/19/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  Drop it, both of you.
2. 5/20/08
  
  thegoodknife
  
  i second that.
2/23/09

ruenruedi

No, I could not believe. Kids are too young for SRS.
How about the law? Normally, a person who are going to get SRS surgery done must got done with psychological test first.
BangkokHospitalPhuket.blogspot.com/

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2/23/09

OneMuslim

Now, the world is just a miserable place where, the guy want to be female and the girls want to be male. Why everybody always feel to do the opposite things from their whole given reality? Is this brave? wiser? or stupid? or just arrogant?

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1. 2/23/09
  
  dinsquared
  
  I think it's an enlightened world where we can finally begin to accept people for who they truly are regardless of our own prejudices.