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Bring Back Lisa and Doll Petition
Posted by cookingasshole • 7/06/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: lisa and the doll kick butt, why didn't anyone else get banned?, WTF?
So I went on vacation to beautiful Coeur D'Alene, Idaho and I just returned to find out that Doll and Lisa were banned from BC. That is total BS. So this is a petition to bring them back.
No negativity!
This is a positive thread only. I don't want to see any violence or hate speech people. Only love for Lisa and the Doll.
User Comments
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you wish! WB-
positive comments only!
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No. The admins don't hand out indiscriminate bans. They use that option as a last resort. I've pushed the envelope many times, so I know this for a fact. -
ok you wish
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Why were they banned?-
For violating the terms of service.
Specifically, personal attacking the character of other members.
I'm not an admin, and I don't know if that was their specific reason for banning them or not, but that's what I have observed. -
Who cares? They are the best thing about this place.
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- RUBBISH! Someone took it out - how cool.
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NO negativity!
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I'm positively delighted. All is well.
There's nothing to be negative about.
No defamation, no character assassination.
No mean spirited personal attacks.
No harassment. What's not to like? -
they will be back...and all will be right with the world
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i'm sorry you miss your soul mates. but here we are! shake your pom poms, shake your botty!do the dadadada dance.
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f*ck that...this place sucks now
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i donno why i am enjoying this
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Hmmm...I'm trying to remember who Lisa and Doll were...what'd their avatars look like?-
a doll and scott peterson
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I just heard from doll yesterday. She said she was temporarily suspended, not banned.-
that is still BS
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I want em' back I love them...-
me too!
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Me three monkey boy! -
I do have to admit, I tend to be more drawn to discussions that they participate in
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Start your own forum. I bet there'll be a lot of ROFLing. Maybe they were banned for over-using ROFL? Because honestly, not every time you say something nasty about another person it has to end with a ROFL. Sometimes a subtle LOL is enough.-
NO negativity!
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@ sam nevermind..... I was tryin to stir up drama for my little monkey man,bc he said BC would be boring I was tryin to give him drama,but nobody around here can take a joke for some reason
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No baby this is bc
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Without Lisa and Doll BC is over
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SNORT!
You don't really mean that. -
pretty soon it will all be boring word games and Jesus threads
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Gotta admit the threads are a little slow no one is taking much interest in the threads at the moment
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Hold up! Let me think of somthing..... I can pretend not to like u or monkey man ya know his foul mouth gets on my nerves...
And sam ur just a 16 yr old trapped in a grown up,the way u pant over lady gaga-goo goo
There is that good drama -
you are lazy for being a housewife and not having a real job
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Oh yea,I'm sooo fixinna open a can on that one!!!!
Meet me in the parking lot monkey boy -
it is okay...I am a stay-at-home dad.
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CA - what's up with you?
I don't understand why you're attacking people.
I don't understand why you're saying such mean things. You've always been a very delightful member until this scenario with these people.
Their actions have been attacking on a "personal" level - which should never be acceptable on a forum.
It is ok to have varying degrees of opinions - that's conversation.
But to have vicious PERSONAL attacks is not forum conversation, it is horrible, troll behavior and flame wars.
I would NEVER have taken YOU --- YOU --- CA --- as a person who would be in support of that type of activity - or even a PART of that type of activity.
I thought you were way above that juvenile Clique behavior. Where a small group of people treat another small group of people to "NASTY" vicious attacks.
If you don't like someone - ignore them.
But - I'm surprised at you CA.
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Hang on now Holly - first of all I don't go hating on your threads, second of all you obviously missed the point of the gaga thread and thirdly 16 was a good age!!.
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Well,what do u do with your kids all day?
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I have a little baby girl...I play with her all day and take her to the park to play...and I cook
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This is what I said in the other thread and I meant every word of it:
I think it's important for all of us BC members to be aware of what constitutes trolling and harassment, as well as, what the community guidelines for forum posting and the BC Terms of Service state.
My reasoning is that if members of any online community ignore or condone the forum behavior of individual bad actors or cliques when it is in breach of community guidelines for forum posting and Terms of Service, it will slowly become acceptable, and more commonplace, simply because it’s being tolerated.
Also, if Moderators are not made aware of the breaches of guidelines and the TOS by members reporting them, and if they are not willing to act swiftly to put an end to them, then the individual bad actors or cliques can create ill will that will have a lasting negative affect in the online community.
References:
Communities Online trolling and Harassment
www.communitiesonline.homestead.com/dealingwithtrolls.html
BC Terms of Service (See: 8 Content/Activity Prohibited "harasses or advocates harassment of another person;")
www.blogcatalog.com/tos
Read Before Posting
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TT...too bad only a few of us realize how right you are.
When I first came to South Africa, blogging was a new thing here my (then)ISP started a blog community and forum with its own proprietary blogware and I joined, starting my first blog.
It was great. Lots of people joined and there were some fascinating and funny blogs. Some people became friends IRL. The forums were funny and interesting, the members tended to be supportive and when there was conflict, it seldom involved flaming...members didn't like it and closed ranks against those who flamed.
But it was not to last. The serpent entered Eden in the form of a bombastic, foul-mouthed techie who attacked anyone who dared confront him on his behaviour or anyone who supported those who opposed him.
Admin refused to take any action, and within a few weeks the group had become polarized. Those who were afraid to stand up to him became his sycophants and the best bloggers began to drift away because the forum became a war zone. Intelligent discourse became impossible and this person took to attacking newbies unless they immediately aligned with him. Ultimately I moved my blog to another platform and cancelled my account with the ISP, as did just about everyone who was blogging there in the first year.
I check back in occasionally...the rude guy was finally banned by Admin, but it was too late. The population remains polarized...the original cohesiveness has been permanently destroyed...and wannabe clones of the original serpent surface regularly, stirring up conflict. And this is what that forum is all about now...it goes from one conflict to another, with nothing else to keep it together.
The company has lost countless subscribers because when we pulled out blogs, we pulled our accounts (I have several IRL friends who were originally bloggers there). Allowing members to "liven things up" by permitting personal attacks and fostering a divisive community rather than a cohesive one, backfired...while it brought a short-term spike in the activity, in the long run it caused a loss of membership and revenue.
I've been gone for 4 years and it not only has not changed, conflict is now the culture of that forum. If someone asks my opinion of joining that ISP, I recommend against it...why pay money every month to have someone call you a f***wit when you say something they disagree with? -
Sam,come on now why are u explaining yourself were suppsosed to be havin drama.....she says,then slaps him in the face add squints her eyes and raises eyebrow......
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huh?
Stop trying to wind me up, it wont work
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Wow doll's whole page is gone, and she's out of my shout box. Stuff must have got serious. Thats too bad, I always thought she had the best comments
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Hmmmm I'm pretty sure they'll think of somthing to get back in
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I don't know the two people you posted about but I agree that Coeur d'Alene is beautiful.-
Oh my God it is SO nice there. I freaking love it. Two of my lady's relatives own property on lakeshore drive. It was big pimpin'.
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Yes, isn't the lake gorgeous? Definitely a thing of beauty.
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I didn't take this this time but a few years ago I took a ride on the sea plane. That was awesome.
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corporate welfare states are fun... till you try to live there
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Lisa and Doll are hilarious and are a class act...
Most of their critics are ham n eggers who can't cut the mustard on twitter...-
Twitter has mustard?
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Character assassination may sometimes be funny, but it is NEVER a class act. It is a bastion of those who lack the ability to insult others with subtlety and true class.
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Most of the critics of Doll and Lisa are mean spirited people who can only articulate their views by pressing the report button...
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@SweetViolet..
Although I do not always agree with your opinions I do respect them...
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I disagree. I think avoiding escalating a conflict by pressing the report button is the responsible thing to do. The mean-spirited are those who refuse to engage in a discussion without committing ad hominem attacks and who think that other people exist merely as foils for their own amusement.
I have absolutely no problem with removing people from the forum who take pleasure in hurting others for their own amusement. I like BC, but if becomes a haven for psychological sadists, you will see only back, and then just briefly.
I do not insult, I state opinions. If someone infers an insult from an opinion, I have no control over that. And I do not EVER engage in ad hominem attack. -
I am not a mean spirited person in ANY way, shape or form.
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"Character assassination may sometimes be funny, but it is NEVER a class act. It is a bastion of those who lack the ability to insult others with subtlety and true class.
hummm....interesting point that you make.... would one member referring to another member in a thread as "the Mrs. Robinson of the BC community, trying to seduce young men on the forum" an example of subtlety and true class? .....funny cuz I wouldn't....and if my memory serves me right NOTHING was done to them not even a 24 ban...
Personal attacks go on all the time, and honestly I've seen much worse and been on the receiving end of of much worse than what Doll and Lisa have done-
its called selective punishment. Ive been gone a while from this place and its good to see nothing's changed.....wait, thats not a good thing. The hammer is still being brought down on those who seem to create other types of conversations.
If the discussions dont consist of a certain type of architecture that borders on the mundane and boring and relishes inside the completely pointless then the punishments are dealt to those that changed it. Its a broken system that needs fixing.
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Would you care to post a link to the Mrs. Robinson accusation? I can't seem to find it, although I did find a comment in which you made such a self-reference.
Personal attacks are unnecessary and immature, they hurt other people and achieve nothing of value. They demean others and reduce the quality of the forum. They have no place here, and people who cannot communicate without engaging in them on a regular basis...well, I cannot say I am sorry to see them go.
I wonder if I am the only one who skipped threads because one of these two had made the most recent comment? -
Youre right violet, personal attacks are unnecessary and immature but if there are going to be punishments then they should be all dealt fairly and evenly and it is not fairly enforced. Some are conveniently ignored while others just get a free pass. It goes on the completely ridiculous when we see this happen, but the regulars never complain about the free passes they get, do they.
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Yep I am sure you will find several references I made about it, my way at the time to make a point, I don't have a link handy and not wasting my time to find it, there are plenty of people who know about it and "proving" it with a link is not necessary.
What do you mean by "I wonder if I am the only one who skipped threads because one of these two had made the most recent comment? -
I fully agree Kat.
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I believe I was around when this occurred and no BC discussion or comment that made such a comment was found then, either, only commentary initiated by Kat. No evidence has been ever been put forward that shows anyone other than Kat has ever made such a reference, either. If it exists, I would like to see it because, absent such evidence, this "Mrs. Robinson" thing is no more than an unsubstantiated accusation and cannot be taken seriously.
I have not said or implied at any time that the perpetrators of character assassination should not be penalized, or that anyone should have a "free pass." Unfortunately, there seem to be an inordinate number of people here at times who cannot seem to tell the difference between arguing a point and excoriating those who hold a different view.
The bottom line is this...when you are taking amusement from saying things that are designed to hurt someone--as opposed to supporting your argument--you are committing an ad hominem attack and you are stepping over the line. Admittedly, sometimes that line is very fine, and in those situations where the line is just too fine to be sure, the admonition "when in doubt, leave it out" applies.
Finally, nobody who slings mud at a fellow member is justified in complaining when they get a face full of it in return. If you are going to trade in mudslinging, innuendo, and outright lies, you've got no business whining when you've been hoist by your own petard.
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No Sweet violet I don't believe you were on the boards at that time but that is incidental. Just ask Time Theif she's the one that said it, and ask Fly he's the one that she claimed I was trying to "seduce" lol It wasn't an imagined incident, oh and well you could ask Tony about it too, he's aware of it. Timethief might have a screenshot saved though, she seems to always have such things handy,
And the reason that you can't find the comment is that I believe it was removed, due to the "seriousness" of it. You are missing the point here. In particular, certain people do exactly what you are stating they shouldn't do and simply state they are not in their humble opinion....comes down to this Admin has the call on it -
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Yep I am sure you will find several references I made about it, my way at the time to make a point, I don't have a link handy and not wasting my time to find it, there are plenty of people who know about it and "proving" it with a link is not necessary.
I want to make you aware that I can provide a copy and screenshots of the one line Mrs. Robinson comment made last summer, which was in no way linked to Kat's name. She self identified with the remark.
I also want to make you aware that I did apologize to Kat and that a complete copy of every shoutbox exchange between us, including the apology and her acceptance does exist and is in the possession of the owners of BC. (I also have a back-up copy.)
That incident took place last summer. Kat, who self identified with the one liner last summer, and accepted my apology since has published two blog posts personally attacking me, and is now here attacking me again in this thread. IMHO that's ample evidence of her desire for vengeance and her choice not to move on. -
I just don't think "PERSONAL" attacks - regardless of WHO dishes it out - are appropriate.
Clique behavior is normal and acceptable to a certain degree - BUT... It is NOT acceptable to gang up on someone and treat them PERSONALLY in inappropriate conversations.
What is said online can affect others deeply.
And those that perpetrate the offenses have NO EXCUSE.
Whether I like them or not.
When it gets down to name calling and getting "personal" in an online forum - then that needs to end.
I am like Switzerland. I believe EVERYONE has a right to voice their opinion and the conversations need to be able to move freely - with opinions expressed - BUT NO ONE SHOULD BE ATTACKED personally or maliciously for their opinion. If you don't agree with it - great... Argue it out. But DO NOT go down the PERSONAL way - or name calling way.
Discussion is simply that.
When it veers towards nasty, negativism - it isn't beneficial to anyone.
And people who enjoy riling up others, do so - at the hurt and expense of the boards/forums, etc.
That type of behavior is unacceptable.
I don't mind people having differing opinions - in fact - I truly like it - it teaches me things - and it opens my eyes to the rest of the world.
But I would NEVER cut down someone personally or name call them.
A Forum TROLL would.
And people who gang up and do flame wars are people who should NOT be tolerated.
Regardless of how nice they are - regardless of who likes them or dislikes them.
It is NOT Acceptable.
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At the end of the day it is a waste of time replying to this thread as it will get deleted...
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Damn! I want 'em back too, especially Lisa. Her blog is freaking hilarious. What the hell could have made BC people take them out? -
@kat822 What do you mean by "I wonder if I am the only one who skipped threads because one of these two had made the most recent comment?
I am not sure what is unclear in that statement.
1) I did not open or read threads when I could tell that one of them had commented on the thread. Neither did I open a thread initiated by either one of them.
2) I wondered if knowing they were commenting on a thread kept other people from opening and reading a thread.
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I just read it wrong the first time, I was sleepy. I totally get it now thanks for the clarification
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So are people annoyed that they were banned or more annoyed that people in the past haven't been banned?
I think that anyone they offended, could probably defend themselves pretty well anyways, but maybe the mudslinging got boring?-
Good point, Claire. I quit clicking on any threads I knew they were participating in for exactly that reason. Same crap, different thread.
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People sometimes have a point to make and they like to beat you over the head with that point.
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To add my two cents into the mix....I always enjoy threads that get a little rough...different opinions getting tossed back and forth and so on. But in a more than a few occasions Lisa and Doll became extremely personal and attacked the individuals who were stating thier opinions. Even though their opinions were being repspected and encouraged they continuously pushed people's buttons and it started to kill very interesting threads because they turned into big fights. I don't know either of them personally and never followed them or their blogs but for me, it took the fun out of BC, and frankly although it may be temporary, I'm glad their gone. -
Agreed, Lotus. That's why I ignored threads I knew they were commenting on. And I suspected that I was not the only one.
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Lisa and Doll are not the only ones to become personal over something and other folks have caused people to avoid threads a lot more than them in the past.
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Well, if you want to call it "making it personal" when I've simply stated that I have avoided threads in which they post, I suppose I can't stop you.
But the truth is, I dislike seeing threads degenerate into crude slanging matches and I'm pretty good at pattern recognition. And when I recognized a pattern that involved their participation in a thread and the almost immediate emergence of a slanging match, I was able to put it all together...without a great deal of intellectual exercise, I might add...and conclude that if I saw their avatars on a thread, I could avoid having to witness a brouhaha by the simple expedient of not clicking on the thread.
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Well, I don't know what crpitt means by "making it personal" but for some of us here it WAS personal. Lisa especially made attacks on me personally calling me a child abuser, mentally sick, a bad teacher...etc. I mean that's pretty personal for a thread that wasn't even about me, but just about the general opinion of BC'er.
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well, like I said they'll be back,under a different name
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I am here for you, monkey! I got no fight or quarrel with anyone!
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The only moose head I saw was in the 'Moose Bar'. It was a family reunion of sorts (lady's side) so our time was spent in front of the lake. I mostly drank Oregon micros there as Idaho beer sucks. I did, however, have the best burger EVER at hudsons. I love that place. A must go when in Coeur D'Alene.
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Nuts to the moose watching; good choices on the beer.
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have you ever been to CDA?
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Never. I didn't even know that it existed until you mentioned it a few days ago.
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Looks very pretty. Is the lake freezing?
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Bring back disco!
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Bring back flares!
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Rather than debating all this in general terms why not read the forums in question and decide for yourself about the conduct of the people involved? I mean the evidence is there, why not examine it? Then I'd be interested in hearing everyone's objective assessment of the situation.-
Why would you want people to do that?
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True. Why try to find out the truth when you can express your opinion?
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Not sure what you mean by that?
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I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that your first remark was your usually ironic way of agreeing with what I said about examining the evidence rather than judging by hearsay. My second remark was my ineptly ironic way of agreeing with you agreeing with me.
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Well I was sort of agreeing with you actually
I think some people are well aware of what happened, but would rather rake up old stuff and continue to make some sort of point about old stuff.
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Yes. It seems people were more interested in past grievances and personal likes and dislikes than what actually happened. And to me it's not a question of agreeing or disagreeing but trying to understand the true events.
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I suppose I really meant the perception that you are agreeing or disagreeing with someone, whether you are or not. Sometimes a lot is read into nothing.
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@NP: It seems people were more interested in past grievances and personal likes and dislikes than what actually happened. And to me it's not a question of agreeing or disagreeing but trying to understand the true events
I don't think the microcosm is as important as the macrocosm. A couple of members conducted themselves in such a way that they were banned. The conduct was not a one-time thing, it wasn't even occasional, it was the personas they adopted for the forums (who knows what they are like IRL and who cares?).
They made themselves disagreeable across the board, they hijacked threads and made personal attack their mode of communication. I recognized all of this well before they were banned and their intractable, egregious nastiness was the reason I avoided any and all threads to which they posted (if I knew beforehand they were posting there). The specifics of the events that ultimately brought down the axe, I think, are not important because they were doubtless just more of the same. I found them to be unbearable long before Admin lowered the boom. In fact, had I been Admin, I would have bounced them long before this, both as consequences for their egregious TOS violations and as an example to others what happens when you unilaterally decide you that are so special the rules don't apply to you.
Is this personal? Not at all. I would feel the same about anyone who behaved in a similar manner, even people whom I presently count as friends, should they inexplicably go off the rails and start behaving like sociopaths. -
Yes, imaginary enemies are the most common.
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@SV: I'll stand by what I said. Specifics, evidence first, then judgments and conclusions. It's obvious in your case that you were aware of some of the events that led up to admin's decision, while many others weren't and couldn't care less.
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Overall, I'd say this petition is kind of a failure...I don't think enough people care either way. If they come back its no skin off my ass, as long as they don't attack me personally again or anyone else, for that matter. There are other things to do besides dwell on this crap....my God, where are the interesting threads today???!
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So, post one! You're pretty good at that (a lot better than I am)!
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lotus: I agree that dwelling on it or being upset by it would be silly. But if you remain objective it's an interesting lesson in group dynamics.
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Could their caustic sense of humor have been misinterptreted? With respect to the last thread at least, they did have a right to defend themselves (having been called trolls in the OP). If they have been TOSsed out the door, can BC leave a window open?
I an lol though to hear the Wordpress evicted sweet & sour grate give us a lecture on trolling in Dolby Surround Stereo
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who is lisa and doll.
I say bring them back. One big, messed-up family we are and so should it remain -
"NO negativity!
This is a positive thread only...Only love for Lisa and the Doll."
This was in the OP. It seems many of you did not read it. You better obey the rules lest you be banished. This is a love-in only. You can create your own hate thread if you so wish. -
No. Getting into a heated thread and getting snarky is one thing, but then taking that and following a person(s) around from thread to thread for the purpose of harassment and the making of serious allegations is NOT OK.
It is disruptive and a clear violation against TOS. I personally reported them for the harassment and stalking of another member on the board. Sorry, CA. But that is not a blogger friendly environment. If drama is what is wanted, register on a myspace group board, there's more than enough drama and personal attacks there.-
I was out of town so I didn't see it but I do know it takes two to tango and bad words were received as well as hurled. So why did no one else get banned? Even in this thread they were called 'trash'
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It probably had more to do with the stalking aspect, and less to do with any particular heated exchange. I reported them after they began following another member around and making harassing comments - then when that thread was locked, the heated comments on their part continued on in other threads, creating the consequent locking of otherwise normal threads. it just went on and on like that.
I get into a lot of debates here, I get into a lot of heated exchanges. That's fine, but you don't carry the "exchange" over to other threads (To bait, or harass, I dunno) and start getting other people's threads locked or wiped off the face of BC just to continue on harassing a person.
They were also making accusations that are very serious - defamation of character and libel have consequences, and when paired with harassment (stalking and following around from thread to thread continuing to make said allegations and accusations) isn't just against TOS, it's against the law. -
so now they are outlaws too? This is totally insane. You people take things WAY to seriously.
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Way too seriously? Allegations of child abuse? really? Sorry, but I do have an online reputation, and yes child services can probably (and legally) check my ISP if someone is accusing me of abusing my child.
In both cases it's a very serious allegation to make against someone that can affect me negatively in real life.
They broke the rules, I reported them (I would presume that many others also reported the incidents) and they were suspended and/or banned. That's how it goes.
No one is forced to sign up for BC. No one can legally say or do whatever they want to without bearing the consequences of their own actions. If that is asking too much of members, then I might suggest they seek out unmoderated forums where anything goes.
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- The rubbish was the behaviors which violate the community guidelines for forum posting and the BC TOS which were: following members from thread to thread to demean and defame them through character assassination, mean spirited personal attacks and harassment.
It can be witnessed here
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/dont-ask-dont-tell-gays-in-the-military
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www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/how-did-my-discussion-get-locked-
"RUBBISH! Someone took it out - how cool."
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- Indeed, I'm glad that Admin took the rubbish out by locking the threads because I consider anyone who affects such malicious behavior to be talking rubbish.
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you know as well as I do that is not what you were saying and was nowhere near the context of the conversation
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- What I know is that you were not here and that you are not reading the threads in question.
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- I called their behavior rubbish and I stand on that ground. How it makes me different from the two defamers is that I did not move from thread to thread maliciously harassing them, demeaning them , defaming them, launching personal attacks against them, or assassinating their characters. That was their behavior. They own it and it was rubbish behavior.
So perhaps you ought to ask yourself why you are unable to examine the threads and isolate the behavior, call rubbish behavior rubbish, and why you are defending people who affect rubbish behaviors. Examine the thread and take note that I did not even post a single comment into the thread that gave rise to the adversity and yet the two affected the rubbish behavior. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/dont-ask-dont-tell-gays-in-the-military -
Seems 98 per cent of reporting is done by 2 per cent of BCites. That could be unhealthy.
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Harvey, there is no way to know how many people make reports on any given comment or thread unless the admin tell us.
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you know what you said and so do I.
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CA, the threads were locked in lieu of deleting half a thread of comments. The members are suspended or banned due to continued harassment of other members.
Debate threads get heated - but the heat ends when the thread dies or is locked. Once that happens, as adults tat serves as a warning that it got out of hand, and that if you are participating in it, you should take a moment to cool down, and stop the behavior that caused the removal of comments or threads in the first place - not move on to other threads and continue the behavior. -
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This is a positive thread only. I don't want to see any violence or hate speech people. Only love for Lisa and the Doll.
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CA, your respect for them is admirable, but do you disagree that when the rules are broken, you should pay the piper?
I wouldn't call for the reinstatement of any BC member (regardless of my personal attachment to them) if they so blatantly disregarded the basic TOS - or behaved in the way that both Lisa and Doll did. In fact, if they behaved that way, I might rethink my affiliation with them in general.
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I think they should be brought back!! Now! There are multiple guilty parties in this whole debacle. They were not the only ones who broke the rules.
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ACtually, everyone was treated equally. No offending comments were removed (not even Lisa or Dolls).
However, they took it upon themselves to go above beyond - no one else did that. Ergo - they were suspended or banned, and no one else was. Because no one else decided to stalk and harass.
Why is that so hard to understand? Not only did the seriously break TOS - but libel and defamation along with internet harassment is against the law. Do you think that the owners of BC want people regularly doing that on their website?
Would you want someone who behaves in a damaging manner in your place of business?
I wouldn't it.
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CA: You're certainly right. Lisa and Doll aren't trash, and you're a good friend for defending them. But I am curious if you've read the threads through and what you think of them. Your honest opinion. And how you think the situation should've been handled.
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I just did on your advice and I actually laughed really hard. I thought it was freaking hilarious. I think everyone was overreacting at their antics.
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There are three threads.
It started with the spanking one, and when that thread was locked they moved on to the don't ask don't tell thread, as well as another of Lotus' threads, talking about the spanking thread still, and continuing to make allegations. All three threads were then locked.
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I don't think I'm over reacting at all nor is anyone else. Everyone here has at one point engaged in blunt commentary. I usually have pretty extreme views and state them to the objection my fellow BC'ers frequently. I have gone toe to toe with TT, Violet and Anok at one point to name a few. But I've never had my account susptended for out and out harrassing them or attacking them personally and neither have they. I think there is a severe difference between being a loose-lipped blogger (which most of us at BC are) and being down right offensive to the point of loosing sight of the entire original discussion.
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Thank you...let's bring them back!
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Can't we all just hug and bake cookies now??
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bacon cookies?
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Is that some kind of breakfast dish...?
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no...peanut butter and bacon cookies are the bomb for dessert...well breakfast too
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I hope your either kidding or speaking from a VERY HIGH experiance...
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see shameless link drop above
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Holy Cardiac Arrest!! You should submit that to www.thisiswhyyourfat.com
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I submitted bacon wrapped asparagus to them
cookingforassholes.blogspot.com/2009/06/bacon-wrapped-asparagus.html
I also wrapped corn on the cob in bacon and called it "bacorn"
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It took 13 hours, but you finally got your recipes in. And I thought you were just trying to be a good friend..
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Nope...just trying to get my links in without being reported. Not too shabby huh?
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My faith in your good judgment has been restored.
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bacorn...? I'm intruiged yet terrified.
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I have good judgment coming out of my ass
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I don't care where it comes from, as long as you've got it.
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one time I made french toast out of frozen waffles and made a bacon and syrup sandwich out of them
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finally something on this thread I'm going to reply to. Don't want to lose CA as a friend over fights that I walked away from. Which is my advice to all who participate here, whenever possible.
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calm down everyone there is nothing to worry about. no one is losing me as a friend. I know...it is a hot commodity
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Have you ever made sandwiches using french toast? When I used to eat meat, I'd make ham and cheese, or lettuce, tomato and bacon sandwiches that way.
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I love Monte Cristos...Monte Criscos not so much
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that is just sick
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They do rock. They're about a bazillion calories, but every molecule is wonderful.
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there's only one diner that makes them in my area and they are so delicious. If the right cook is on and I ask nicely they'll use maple ham or canadian bacon on it.
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When I lived in NY they used to call them: Croque Messieurs.
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AH! So that's what a Croque Messieur is!
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I've had a croque messieur in Paris and that is not what it was.
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Then maybe this is a croak monsieur.
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Nah, those have frog legs in 'em.
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I love Lisa and Doll! I think they are both hilarious. I don't care what anyone says! I've never had anything but FUN with either of them.
I'm sorry to hear they were banned--and I sincerely hope they come back!
Signed,
Melinda Roberts Tyler
Writer Extraordinaire
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@stillthinking: Curious: what is a croque messieur, then?
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When I had one in Paris, it was on super thick bread, layered with some melty cheese, ham, more cheese, some tomato-onion-garlicky spread, then another slice of super thick bread, and topped off with more tomato-onion-garlicky spread and more cheese. The closest thing I could compare it to is thick crust pizza.
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Sounds frightening, but heavenly.
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ST--this possible sounds like a candidate recipe for "Paula Deen is Trying to Kill Us."
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This one is my favorite:
The bacon-egg-cheese-doughnut-burger. Awesome.
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Why am I NOT SURPRISED that you have ventured on to that site. Absolutely freaking hilarious.
I witnessed the bacon-egg-dougnut-burger on her show as she did it. I saw her actually EAT that damn thing (or take a LARGE bite). My arteries started hardening as soon as I learned the concept of that 'burger.'
Then I got a stomach ache thinking about it.
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I think Lisa and Doll should be let back in if ca is willing to eat a whole sweet potato and film himself doing so. (Video must appear on YouTube).
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That is an excellent idea.
I have two sweet potatoes ready to go into my soup pot tomo and thought of him -
I will do it!!!
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Wow! Now that is friendship! I wonder if the BC admins can insert a "sweet potato" clause into the TOS?
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damn right. they agree to it, I will do it
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How exactly would you prepare and eat a food that you despise, ca?
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Now thats called taking one for the team!
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I would make sweet potato fries and season them very well.
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No, too easy.
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If you ate them right out of the fryer, you might not even taste the sweet potato. A lot of beer would probably help, too.
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Just plain mashed sweet potato is the deal breaker.
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I will do whatever I have to
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It is only a suspension anyways aint it?
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unsure as of yet
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I agree with Admin and they got what they deserved.
And I think all of you know that I don't make statements like that lightly.-
I missed a lot being out of the picture for most of June. Man, sometimes I'm glad I'm clueless and missed the internal politics. (Please don't inform me. I don't want to know.)
(sticking fingers in ears).
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Just stay a neutral location
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Oh trust me, I'm like Switzerland.
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So ur still upset over this monkey man,I haven't read the thread lately so .........
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Everybody deserves a second chance - although some just need a 24 hour "time out" in the corner at times
Well .. I wasn't going to suggest it - or rather .. OFFER it .. But, I would be willing to troll the threads, abuse people's opinion and make fun of people's avatar and religious beliefs, until Lisa and Doll are reinstated.. (it will just be like it was before) -
The banning of Lisa and Doll is unwarranted and should be overturned...
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CA - do you think if they are reinstated that they will STOP behaving like they were?
I don't know them personally - and have ONLY seen them in massive Tag Team attack mode.
I'm still new here - but I'm a very nice person. I don't harbor ill will for very long.
Do you think if they came back they could refrain from Personal attacks?
Or is that their modus operandi?
Do you think they would participate in conversations without attacking people with such rudeness?
Would they not use personal insults and resort to name calling?
Would they?
I mean - I've seen them attack all sorts of people.
I'm seeing people attack TT - and I've researched a lot things - and I believe the same person or people were involved in a serious attack on TT before.
I happen to like TT - I usually like EVERYONE and think everyone has a reason to be around... everyone has something good about them.
But I think it is alright for people to not like each other.
However, instead of being RUDE or downright nasty - it is much more acceptable to just ignore them - like a big family where everyone meets up for Thanksgiving... you don't like EVERYONE... so you avoid the ones that irritate you. And it should be so here on the forums.
But it hasn't been.
I didn't like the ganging up that I saw... The severe rudeness - there is NO place here or any place unless it's privately owned online for actions such as that. It was lynch mob mentality - and it was uncalled for.
I saw it happen in your thread... And Lisa literally lied about my comment to her. And she attacked me personally for stating my opinion, which was in opposition to hers.
THAT IS CYBER BULLYING
Whether you like to admit it or not - what happened to me, by Lisa - was completely cyber-bullying and she lied about it.
I don't appreciate ANYONE lying about what I have to say or words that I've used.
I also don't like how she harassed Lotusb - or a few other folks.
I don't know Lisa personally, but I will say that ANYONE who finds this type of behavior acceptable is someone who needs to seek professional help.
They do not need to be in a forum that is designed to be open communication.
They are people LOOKING for disgruntlement.
They play "cyber"games.
They start off - create a whirlwind - make people like them by making "snarky" but funny remarks... Where everyone else giggles behind their keyboards.
Then they start finding victims - and all of their new friends watch as this person rips that victim apart.
And they find it funny - because they have become desensitized to the fact that another human being is sitting on the other side of the keyboard... because they have been watching the "snarkiness" become "OK".
It's NOT OK.
To tear people apart.
To spread gossip and rumors.
To hurt others or harass others for laughter...
Who benefits from this type of behavior?
So personally - unless you can guarantee that the cyber bullying will end...
Then I can see NO reason why anyone should want either one of them back.
I take it that their behavior has been considered acceptable for a VERY long time - otherwise people like gerry or even YOU CA... wouldn't be begging for them to come back.
The cyber bullying is not OK CA...
Do YOU think it's OK?
I mean really?
Are you one of those people who eggs on the cyber bully... Like those mean kids in the school yard who find a victim...
And then laugh about the results later?
They SHOULD be ashamed of their actions.
However, I highly doubt they are.
In fact, they are probably cursing everyone ELSE out for the results of their own actions. They are probably blaming everyone else - and not realizing that their own actions were responsible for the results.
Which means to me - if they come back, they won't be repentant... They will instead try to create "cyber gangs" and the mentality will be even worse.
Anyone who participates in actions like that - ought to reconsider WHY they are doing whatever it is that they are doing... And ASK themselves WHY they think that type of behavior is acceptable.
Now....
I ask you - can YOU CA --- or YOU GerryPlanet Earth - guarantee that LisaNY and DollNY will not continue in that destructive behavior?
Can you say that they will not come back here and be angry at everyone else - instead of themselves?
Can you say that their actions WERE OK?
I'd be willing to accept an apology - and trust that those things would never happen again.
But - I don't know these people well enough to say that. All I have to judge my own opinions on - is what I observed and the fact that Lisa LIED about what I said.
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TT bullies me and calls me names on a regular basis...you want her banned?
she also hops threads simply to insult me -
here is an example except her comment was removed due to "character assassination" but my response remains...
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/name-me-one-personality-trait-you-cant-st...
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And so it continues.
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another day...
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Must get last word in on this matter.....
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I feel belittled and it really hurts deep down inside.
My self confidence revolves around what people on the internet think.
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You are screwed.
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I am a little short this week...are there any "favors" I can perform?
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I think that sort of thing is illegal with monkeys. She'll never be allowed to give blood again.
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it will be worth every penny
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This whole thread is pointless. I 100% support Admin's decision in regards to these 2 (as do the majority of people who posted to this thread) and I think we all just need to move on.
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well it is not pointless as Lotus agreed they should be brought back...and she was the alleged 'victim' in all this.
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It is pointless. If they're brought back, they are not going to change their behavior at all. And it's not just LotusB they attacked. They attacked multiple members with lie after lie after lie.
I think they deserved what they got and this is just an online forum, not the end of the world.
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Excuse me? Whose running a campaign to bring back two of the most hideously behaved people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter? I come to BC to chat, let off a little steam from the stress of endlessly searching for work and working on my portfolio. I don't take anything said here seriously and when I leave a discussion, that's it. It's over. I don't let it rule my life.
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That's funny...I was going to ask the same thing about you.
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God, I hate conflict.
You two are never going to see eye to eye about this, so why fight? You're both fun, well-liked and respected members of BC. As Rodney King said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
If it's getting to be a little much, maybe take a week long break or something to clear the air. It's good to get away for a while.
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Ah,Gtally, if it were only that easy! Where there is no will, there is no way. And people wonder why there's all this turmoil and hatred in the world.
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I think it's fair to offer a second chance - it's my understanding that others have had their ban lifted before.
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Harvey I always thought Doll's right eye was a bit creepy, like she was putting some voodoo hex on me, sigh I miss that snake eyed doll
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Thanks HarveyAvatar for posting my picture
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Harvey, what Aristotle do?
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I don't think the Philosopher would have gone as far as banning from his forum. He did say it was pointless to continue talking to someone who willingly stayed mired in error.
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pass.
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Meh.
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For further continuing comments, please refer to getting along thread.
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@CA - I didn't know the color of Good Judgement was brown...
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what about free speech?
Or did it/they turn cruel?
I don't know the full story.
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Bring back SweeTT-V!
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Harvey-are you joking? Did something happen to SV?
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@nothingprofound
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Sweet Violet will be missed...Perhaps one of her many friends can convince her to come back...
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Thank you Cooking Asshole for this thread!
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Thank you Cooking Asshole for this thread!
- Gosh how silly of you to think that we forgot you already said bye bye to cookingasshole www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/chatty-thread#comment_1051430
For a fleeting moment I thought this could be a passive aggressive attempt to resurrect old threads and stage a necroposting spree. Even though it somewhat resembled an adolescent acing out of defiance scenario, I immediately recognized that can't be what's going on here, because if it was it would be so obvious.
Nah ... I don't think that's what's happening here. It's just an illusion.
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Sabbatical = ...a hiatus, often lasting from two months to a year
Saab-a-tickle = an exhilarating urge to take the Saab out for a little break
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doesn't she notice she is being completely ignored, never mind, forget I said that, don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact lol :D
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This is sound advice Kat, watching a shapeshifter can give you a headache.
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Roflmao
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Huh? I say we bring back $1.00/gallon of gas. I need to go places and have people to see.
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and quarter beers every night while you are at it
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Does everyone realize that if you BLOCK or ignore someone from your Friends list --- Ya might NOT see their posts?
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umm what does that have to do with quarter beers
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Dunno...
But I don't know if everyone knows that they can literally block all comments, etc. by doing this. That way - there would be a lot less problems if some things were ignored. Right?
I mean truthfully - there are going to be people who dislike others - this is a totally normal thing to happen in group settings.
However, some things are not acceptable - like mean spirited activity and personal attacking. RIGHT?
So - it would be best for those who have issues with others to, instead of getting upset with commentary from them to, instead, block them, so that their comments are not visible and therefor do not make them upset.
Again, let me reiterate: I like everyone.
But...
I do NOT tolerate personal attacks.
There are better, more adult ways to handle that type of behavior.
I think EVERYONE here has something to offer the community.
I was upset with the actions of Lisa and DollinNYC - as I felt they attacked in a manner that was unacceptable in ANY forum environment.
I am going to trust that they are not NORMALLY like that - and that they are instead going to stop that type of behavior.
But I truly hate to see others partake in that kind of activity - it really makes the person who is doing it seem petty and trite.
It makes them look like the "school-yard" bullies or those snotty girls who think they are better than everyone... When in fact - most people are laughing at them behind their backs... while they think that they do no wrong.
Everyone has something to offer, you, me, her, him, them. ALL of the people involved have something good about them.
As long as the hurtful behavior is modified - at least while in the public forum - then I have no issues with ANYONE.
So I'll welcome Lisa and Doll back - provided that they are honestly contrite about the abusive behavior they provided earlier - and that they won't be doing that kind of thing again.
And, seeing that they are back - I'm hoping that this won't happen again.
Kat - I don't know you - but I do see that you have a penchant for being aggressive when it comes to a couple of people on the board here. I'd like to see more of you - in a manner that doesn't depict you as being a mean person. The only commentary I've seen from you since I've been here has been angry"ish" or slightly sarcastic towards one or a couple of people. I really think you have more to offer this community than that. I think you have some great writing skills and some interesting perspectives. I've read your blog and I think you have A LOT more to offer than what I've seen here at Blog Catalog. I wish you'd participate instead of standing on the sidelines and just picking here and there. You MAY have posted other things than those types of things, but I haven't had the chance to see them - and the aggressive/sarcastic comments are truly the ONLY ones that stick in my memory. Which is probably what the majority of people here see.
I don't know what happened in the past - but this is the PRESENT.
I'd really like to see EVERYONE get along - as I said - you all have great things to offer EVERYONE. Every one of us - has something great to give.
I love Harvey - absolutely - he's my hero... I believe it is because of his actions that I still exist. And for that I am thankful beyond belief.
And most everyone else - I truly do care about you all. Including Lisa and Doll.
So I'd really like it, if everyone could start...
START RIGHT NOW...
From this point on...
And give a chance to EVERYONE.
Forget the past.
And go forward with good intentions and kind hearts. OK?
Please.
I ask that you all take a moment to look deep inside yourselves and please think about all the GOOD things you can offer, instead of hurtful diatribes.
Ignore those that you just can't get over...
And embrace everyone else.
OK?
This is a super hug sendout to everyone.
HUGS!
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Wager Witch writes: "So I'll welcome Lisa and Doll back - provided that they are honestly contrite about the abusive behavior they provided earlier - and that they won't be doing that kind of thing again."
That's a welcome? Spreading more of your lies and slander about us? I have reported your above comment to the moderator. I also recommend if you don't have anything nice to say, consider saying nothing at all. You're not the hall monitor here, and your past abusive comments to US were noted by several BC members, including the moderators. Follow your own advice and stop lecturing others if you are unable to follow it yourself. Reported.-
I'm sorry you view it that way Lisa.
My comment was heartfelt and meant in kindness.
If you choose to see it as offensive, then I cannot persuade you to understand my motives as being very kind. Your interpretation of what I say - in your comment above noted - is incorrect in nature.
I cannot change your view.
And case in point Lisa.
I have NEVER lied on BC. Nor shall I ever.
You do NOT have to stand up in such a vicious way for Kat.
Kat is perfectly capable of making her own opinion known - how dare you think so little of her. If you have not seen her commentary that I speak of, or her blog posts - then you have not taken the time to really get to know your fellow BC'ers.
I am not patronizing you in anyway - and should you have a problem with me Lisa - that you cannot handle without being aggressive, rude and not so polite, then I suggest kindly that you choose to ignore ANY comment I ever make. Or even, one step further - Block me - so that my commentary will never bother you again.
I would prefer if you did so, as you have decided to be openly aggressive with me when I once DARED to give my heartfelt opinion to someone who asked for it - when you chose to go into overprotective mode and were extremely rude to me.
I find your type of personality on boards as a bully and as one of the most common aggravating instigators who enjoys setting people off - ON PURPOSE. And then turns and points "LOOK AT THIS PERSON" --- forget that I was rude - forget that I've done anything wrong - Look at "this" person.
Your obvious enjoyment of acting in this manner leaves me no option but to ignore you. To me, as of your last posting - I see that you have not learned anything - except to be hostile, rude and openly aggressive online.
Therefor your participation - is worthless to me.
And - again - Kat can speak for herself. She doesn't need YOU to jump in and "protect" her.
If she cannot see my comment as being kind - then I am truly sorry for her perception. As what I said - AGAIN - was heartfelt.
Further comments from you Lisa - will be ignored - because I see that you have not changed - you are not sorry for your past behavior and you will continue on in the manner for which you were banned.
It will only be a matter of time before you self destruct again.
You chose how to treat me.
Truly everyone can see how you operate - and Lisa - no matter who sides with you... YOU KNOW what you are doing. And YOU KNOW it is wrong. Manipulation of the truth is obviously seen - and if you cannot see how you are manipulating others - worry not - they will come to learn it as they observe your actions.
My dear - Actions speak louder than words.
I am now choosing Lisa - how to treat you. With as little dignity as you have shown, you are no longer worth my time.
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Wager Witch....I also found your above comment to Kat not only inappropriate, but cruel, offensive, and highly inaccurate. Kat is a wonderful, kind person, and not "mean" or "aggressive" at all. Nor does she come across that way to others, except apparently to you! Wager Witch to Kat: "I'd like to see more of you - in a manner that doesn't depict you as being a mean person. The only commentary I've seen from you since I've been here has been angry"ish" or slightly sarcastic." Total BS! You also come across as extremely patronizing to her, as though you're lecturing a small child. I request that you stop going around BC spreading lies about the characters of BC members, and also giving us unsolicited lectures.
Cooking Asshole asked for NO negative energy on this thread! Please spread your slander and inaccurate character digs someplace else!! Meanwhile, your abusive comment about Kat was also reported.-
wrong place - see below
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Has it occurred to you why there were negative responses to this thread? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with you...must be EVERYONE ELSE.
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Cooking Asshole started this thread (thanks again CA!), and send a clear message upfront:
Cooking Asshole: "No negativity! This is a positive thread only. I don't want to see any violence or hate speech people."-
@LisaNYC
- I have reported both of your comments above because IMO they constitute yet another mean spirited personal attack on wagerwitch, consistent with your previous behavior of defaming others which led to you and your friend to be banned from the site by Admin for cyberbullying.
I believe we can all use the links I supplied above and clearly see that your past behaviors were in violation of both the community guidelines for forum posting and the BC TOS. I believe we can also read your two comments above in this thread and come to the reasonable conclusion that you appear to be fixated on continuing the abusive cycle you previously established of personally attacking and defaming other members.
While freedom of speech is our right in public places and spaces, it’s essential that we recognize that with rights come responsibilities. It's likewise essential to recognize that the owners of this private space here at BlogCatalog have adopted community guidelines, and also have a TOS in place in order which we must all agree to adhere to in order to become members. These constraints are aimed at creating and maintaining a healthy environment for civilized discourse. That intent is clearly expressed in the OP of the community guidelines for forum posting. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/read-before-posting-1 It's also clearly stated in the BC TOS (see section 8) www.blogcatalog.com/tos
BlogCatalog is a privately owned American company. Our freedom of speech is limited by the law in accord with the responsibilities that we have towards one another as determined by American case law and as required by American legislation. Both the common law and legislation protect every person from harm to their reputation arising from false and derogatory remarks being made about their person (defamation). Both slander (verbal form) and libel (printed form) are included in the definition of defamation.
While it’s true that we are all entitled to make ‘fair comment on any issue of public interest’, the legal rule of thumb is: ‘fair comment’ must reflect an honestly held opinion based upon proven fact and must not be motivated by malice’.
Pseudonyms offer no safety. Writing on your own blog, on any other blog and on any online forum (or anywhere else) under a pseudonym does not offer you or the web site administrator any protection from a lawsuit for libel.
We BlogCatalog members can clearly see that you and your friend repeatedly violated both the community guidelines for forum posting and the BC TOS, because those mean spirited defamatory personal attacks on other members were not removed from the forum threads that I provided the links to above.
The golden rule your parents and your kindergarten teacher taught you was pretty simple: Do unto others as you’d have others do unto you. Imagine how you’d feel if you were in the other person’s shoes. The Core Rules of Netiquette
www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html
Time does not heal all wounds. Time changes nothing, when there is no regret expressed and no apologies are made.
I am clearly stating that I do NOT welcome you and your friend back as members of the BlogCatalog community, because neither of you have expressed any regret for your past behavior, and because you appear to be fixated on continuing that same pattern of past behavior ie. cyberbullying.
Above you state: Cooking Asshole started this thread (thanks again CA!), and send a clear message upfront: ...
My response is that no member of BlogCatalog is in a position to post a thread dictating the nature of the responses that other members may choose to make.
Given track record you and your friend have established launching defamatory personal attacks on other members, I believe that cookingasshole's "No negativity! " order in the OP reeks of hypocrisy.
IMO it's unrealistic to believe that those who were the targets of negativity, and who have received no apology for the same will fill this thread with what cookingasshole demands in the OP: "Only love for Lisa and the Doll. "
I will continue to abide by the community guidelines for forum posting and the TOS. But do understand that I do not love either you or your friend. I do not welcome you back and I will not be complying with any orders from cookingasshole. -
Lisa what is it you want? someone to eat your crack too??
let's all be happy that you guys are back and we all chat happily, no?
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No one owes anyone an apology as per BC admin. Comments have been reported as per BC TOS. And you do not have any information as to why anyone was banned, since you are not administration.
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Doll I have no quarrel with you at this point.
Can we not all just let go of the anger and the pot stirring?
Can we not all just agree that some have differing personalities?
Can we all just get along?
Please. I'm really asking you to please consider this.
I will always try hard to be kind - I may not always be - but I will try.
I ask - please - to see this place get along - no more warring against groups or certain people...
Just ignore those you can't tolerate - and be kind where you can - OK?
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I agree with you and have been ignoring those who are obsessed with the past. I don't plan to and haven't engaged anyone who I have had problems with in the past.
Your comment needs to be heard by your friends as well, and I am not going to respond to another member who is not an admin on BC who states that I need to apologize or show regret. -
Well said Dollin and I must say that I find this thread to be rather eye opening
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Seriously What the hell was I dragged into this for? I have a sarcastic sense of humor I admit,...........if you really read any of my blog posts or comments on here you'd realize that... but I don't think I have a negative presence here, otherwise Admin would let me know, and believe me they know me well enough to make that judgment call,
To clear a few things up Wager Witch I don't sit on the sidelines and lerk, I simply don't come in here unless I have shouts to return, why?.... because of things like this thread. I am tired of it, and I have a life more than hanging out here 24/7 like some members choose to, which is their choice, more power to them.,
You are right Wagar Witch You don't KNOW me, so kindly don't pretend to give me an analysis of what you think all the other members of this board think of me
Now as far as MYYYY BLOG goes, get over it, I can say what I want, I don't say those things here because I am a guest here, just like every other member here and there are rules, on my turf there are not. I make no apologies for that and never will.
Now Wagar you maybe a kind hearted person who's just trying to "play peacemaker" here, but your dragging me into this shit was completely uncalled for!!!!!!! And the complete opposite of what you are trying but failing miserably at achieving.
Yes I can speak for myself but the fact that others are calling you out on this bs move of yours involving me does not mean they are fighting my fights for me.
Carry on -
I am going to ask that all of you just stand back and take a few deep breaths and give everyone “one more chance” to try and be civil with the members you have had problems with in the past.
IF you cannot do that, then I suggest you do use the new (blocked) button we have added.
When using it, you will still be notified when one of your own (blocked members), has made a comment, though you now are given the option to either ignore them totally each time they write a comment or if you so choose to, you can simply click on (show comment).
Anyway, its a great new tool we can all use when others are just to much to deal with.
However, please note, members who repeatedly violate the community guidelines for forum posting and the BC TOS, because of mean spirited personal attacks on other members , your membership here on BC can and will be deleted, at a click of a mouse.
.....And I personally do not want any of you to go away, as I have found all of you to be just as WagerWitch stated above:
Everyone has something to offer, you, me, her, him, them. ALL of the people involved have something good about them. Why not try and give each other just one more chance.
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