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Can u accept Gay Marriage?
Posted by GFG • 6/01/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
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I live in Massachusetts where four-and-a-half years ago, the Supreme Judicial Court determined that marriage was a civil right to which same-sexed couples were entitled to just as much as different-sexed couples.
In that time, our civilization has not collapsed, we have not been afflicted with natural disasters, and our divorce rate continues to be amongst the lowest in the United States. -
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Certainly I can accept equality. And, in fact, I expect and demand it as I live in a democratic nation -- Canada. Here we have marriage for all consenting adult citizens, regardless of their sexual orientation.
What I cannot accept is religious interference with government policy and services. Specifically, I cannot accept government discrimination when it comes equal access to all government services such as issuance of marriage licenses to their unmarried applicant adult citizens. That's discrimination plain and simple and it's a human rights issue. So when I hear Americans, who also purport to be members of a nation that upholds equality blah, blah, blah against the issuance of marriage licenses to gay people I smell hypocrisy and homophobia.
Not surprisingly, a coalition of fear filled religious zealots and social conservative groups have vowed to attempt to add a vote calling for a ban on same-sex marriage when California goes to the polls in November’s election. Shame on them.
Their stand is a display of homophobia and hypocrisy in action. Nothing is more exasperating and grieving that hearing homophobes, who say they believe in equality, then try to rationalize and justify their hatred of gay people and support for discrimination against them. It's really none of their business who other consenting adults marry. It's none of the government's business. And it's not the business of any religious organization either. If you do not support gay marriage then don't marry a gay person.
I have been very vocal on this BC forum about it as well. But I guess you didn't use the forum searchbox and note that this has been discussed fully and very recently on the forum. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/gay-marriage-made-legal-in-california
I have blogged this issue as well and you will find that my post has received 20 comments. Only two were from homophobic religious zealots, who are determined to mind the business of others and to support systemic government discrimination in the provision of government services. I deleted 3 other comments that were simply hate filled outpourings replete with scriptures. thistimethisspace.com/2008/05/17/gay-rights-equality-or-hypocrisy/
And, now that I have answered the question you posed - it's your turn to answer it GFC.
(1) Can u accept Gay Marriage?
(2) Or are you a homophobe?
Re: Your second question above: "Ok lets take it further.. what if it were your son asking you if you would agree to his relationship with another boy?"
My answer is that only consenting adults are allowed to marry therefore, it's not the role of a parent of an adult to "agree" to anything.
Once again I have answered you so now it's your turn to answer me GFC.
(3) Are you gay?
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I accept gay marraige because it is anyone's right to be legally tied to another person if the other person is a consenting adult. What difference can the sex of two individuals who are marrying possibly make to anyone, including me? People need to stop with the judgemental bs, and work on their own inadequacies.
I also agree with timethief on the issue of religion's role in our legal system; it should have none! Religious zealots should not have the right to affect anyone to the extent that it creates public policy.
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People should be allowed to live their lives and make their choices, what human being has the right to tell another what to do?
I think people should be allowed not to get married too. Society/governments are always trying to encourage people into marriage, again, who is to say what others should do so long as they are not hurting anyone?
Despite our supposed enlightened times we still make a big fuss about anything supposedly 'different'. Homosexuality is nothing new, it goes back as far as mankind. Get over it! -
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I have an extended family member who is gay. If she chooses to get married to her partner, so be it. She was married to an abusive man for several years had two children (now grown). Should she want to get married again to the same sex, such is her decision.
As a result of this thread, I did ask another family member if they thought they'd get married and the response was "I don't think so". I think it is related to the still stigma associated with gay marriage.
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I can. Can't you accept that like-attracts-like and opposites-repel as a fundamental aspect of physics? See that discussion on my blog at: science-community.sciam.com/blog-entry/Hasanuddins-Blog/Homosexuality-End-W...
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Yes I can. It's soon going to be legal here in Norway, hooray! And they're going to be allowed to adopt, and lesbians will be allowed to have in vitro fertilization. *throws confetti up into the air*
I really don't understand why so many people think it's any of their business who adult people fall in love with, make love to and who they choose to marry. -
Why must we be so concerned with everyone else's life? I don't understand why some people hate homosexuals and how they live their life! I have a bff who is a gay man and I love him! He is a great friend and an even better partier! I honestly think that he is more of a man than some straight men I have met in my life. If homosexuals want to marry so be it! Its not hurting me, you, or anyone else.
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If a gay person has not asked you to marry them then I do not understand why this issue would affect you in any way. Marriage takes place between two consenting adults.
I’m Canadian. I’m a heterosexual female and I fought for same sex marriage rights in Canada. I entirely support the right of any two consenting adults who choose to enter into a life long union being able to contract do so.
It is immoral and unconstitutional for democratic nations to deprive same sex citizens of the equal right to obtain a marriage license.
It is invasive when governments and religious organizations try to control such a basic human need as to love and to be loved in return and to be acknowledged as good citizens for choosing to take care of one another. In fact, I do not believe for one single moment that the government or any religious organizations have any legitimate role to play in the bedrooms and broom closets of their citizens.
For a country like America that purports to be “free” and to uphold "equality" and to deprive a class its citizens of the basic human right to contract in such a way as to be able to dispose their possessions appropriately upon the demise of one or the other is nothing short of outrageous hypocrisy.
I have blogged on this. Here's the link to my post thistimethisspace.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=1203 -
The Laws of Nature for mammals such as humans is heterosexuality...
Democratic jurisdictions that have legalized gay marriages have not experienced any adverse effects or substantial increases in people becoming gay...
People should be judged on their actions and content of character and not discriminated against because of being gay....-
Perhaps in Humans as exhibited by history there have been a small percentage of people who are gay and it may or may not be natural...the survival of mammals is based on heterosexuality...
The overwhelming majority of humans are heterosexual...
The anti-gay crusaders should turn their attention towards dealing with climate change and stopping wars... -
Actually gerry there is quite a bit of evidence out there to back up the fact that homosexuality is natural and evident in many species.
www.livescience.com/bestimg/index.php?cat=gayanimals
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6066606.stm
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As a human being I agree with the point that an adult can choose his own way but as a Christian I condemn it. I conclude, It's the proof of western insanity
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I could just leave this but I won't.
First of all there are many gay Christians. There are some that are wonderful human beings and live what I would call virtuous lives but find love with same sex partners. Secondly insanity is common globally and is not only isolated to the West. Judging by the crap that you have been serving up here lately I doubt if you actually are a Christian, the Christians that I am familiar generally reflect a higher level of character than what you express through your writings. Wherever you are from I hope that you stay there and that the Internet in your country becomes unusable for you, then people like myself won't have to put up with your ridiculous comments, your pathetic view on life and the digital diarohea that emanates from you.
And it is a view that was similar to that ;other imbecile that said similar stuff a few weeks ago which is probaly you as well. -
[As a human being I agree with the point that an adult can choose his own way but as a Christian I condemn it.]
I'm sorry if I'm out of line here, but I read that as As a human being I agree with the point that an adult can choose his own way but as a Christian I'm a totalitarian dumbass.
Have you considered that it's not your place to condemn what other people do? It's not like pedophilia where a child is victimized; two people want to live together and be treated in the eyes of the law in the same way you and your (hypothetical?) wife get treated. That's not too much for them to ask, I don't think. -
I think if Jesus Christ were alive today to see what a mockery some people have made of his philosophy he'd probably cry. The man taught compassion, forgiveness, respect for others, and yet here we are talking to someone who professes to be a follower of Christ condemning the lifestyle choice/need of another individual.
Modern science and medicine is proving that homosexuality is genetic, it is something the individual can't control, so why not let them live their lives in peace and knowing the joy of love?
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Who gives a shit? If someone wants to make their life miserable by trapping themselves with another person of ANY gender, why the fuck should we stop them? It's their freedom to throw away.
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Yes there is! It's called "kill your emotions if reason disagrees."
But my point still stands: If they want it, who the fuck are WE to stop two people from making their own mistake? I consider all marriage a mistake. And if reason agrees with emotion, then holy shit! you won the social lottery (1 in 100,000,000 sounds about right). Get married and stay married!
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Yes. I can accept the fact that two people of the same sex love each other. Who the fuck am I to say they cannot - further, who am I to say that because of their love for each other, then should be denied the same rights hetero's require. Not to mention if you're looking at this from a religious perspective, you should also say that the right to divorce should be done away with as well. Not to mention, that it was this very same wedge issue that [strategically] distracted from matters of a much significant importance during our last election. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
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NO! I think marriage is unethical.
I don't however have a problem with any body's sexual preference. As long as kids and other animals are not involved and as long as nobody is involved against their will.-
The question is about views on same-sex marriage. I'm not sure where you got the idea anyone was getting married to someone of the same sex against their will-- and certainly in the west it is illegal to marry a child and no one in this discussion has yet advocated otherwise (or for that matter, marrying non-humans.)
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It has taken me a while to get used to the idea to be perfectly honest, but yes I think I can accept it.
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Right. I also think that you don't neccessarily have to love the idea to accept it - but just to realize that this issue is like the one of segregation was, but for our generation. Some will say, "they have civil unions", but that's tantamount to saying "those coloreds can come to our school, but they need to use the bathroom on that side."
It will definitely take some getting used to for a lot of people. That's a given. -
I suggest that we completely do away with "legal marriage" and make EVERYTHING a civil union. That way, "marriage" becomes a wholly and exclusively religious term and nobody can say, "Well, you aren't a heterosexual union, so we're going to have to turn you down for this right AND that right."
Then, the conservative bastards can have their "secret treehouse term, marriage" and everyone else can go on with their lives. Happily. -
Semantics-- and religious-fueled bigotry-- IS the issue. That's not to say all religious people are the problem, but look at this comment:
[As a human being I agree with the point that an adult can choose his own way but as a Christian I condemn it. I conclude, It's the proof of western insanity]
Is that not a textbook example of the behavior of a brainwashed believer?
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FWIW this subject has been previously and very vigorously discussed not long ago www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/gay-marriage-made-legal-in-california
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@achuna: You started a thread against racial discrimination. I agree that racial discrimination is bad. We are all human. Yet here you are willing to discriminate against humans with different sexuality than you consider right. Too bad.
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achuna
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My husband was a firefighter for 15 years and he has seen how destructive the homosexual lifestyle can be. Health/body wise he has seen some pretty awful things in the abuse of each others bodies (concerning homosexual activity) to the point of destruction. So they may not be hurting us but could they be hurting one another physically speaking when engaging in homosexual activities. Healthy sexual activity is between man and woman. But of course if you are carrying std's that is not going to be good for your partner either. You can say that i am from the old school but any kind of sexual promiscuity wheter between heterosexuals or homosexuals has a risk of health hazards with possibility of death. So do i accept homosexual marriages? Well everyone was created with a free will so it is their choice. The sexual health hazards is my concern.
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I do not believe your husband's experience as a professional firefighter has anything whatsoever to do with this issue.
The issue is: should the government in America where "equality" is supposedly upheld by law issue marriage licenses to all of it's applicant consenting adult citizens or not?
The history is that pandering to religious zealots has created an incursion of religious mores into governance that does not belong there. Church and state ought to be separate. The result of the incursion has been the artificial creation of a class of people, who are not receiving "equal" access to government services, based on their sexual preference.
I believe that if your concern is limited to STD's in relation to your own sex life that makes a lot of sense. However, I believe if your concern extends into waffling about this issue based on health issues of people whom you do not have sex with then you are a homophobe. -
So in your opinion, any BDSM practice should be outlawed, for their own good, because they are hurting each other?
I disagree. What happens between consenting adults is between consenting adults. The government is not there to dictate, it is there to regulate. In other words, if 2 gay citizens want to get married, the government should say: 'Ok, well on what terms? How may we help you?'. Government is about service delivery, not about playing nanny. -
Um, what? Heterosexuals and homosexuals often participate in the same acts of sexual intercourse, minus one particular part of the anatomy.
I'm not sure what you are talking about here with regards to "abuse of the body" but oral, and anal sex, as well as BSDM practices are practiced by homosexuals, heterosexuals, and bisexuals alike.
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Unless he was a firefighter in The Village People, I don't see how his personal experiences as a firefighter gave him any insight into the subject. Being gay, I can tell you I know nothing about firefighters.
Also, there is no gay lifestyle. Gay people lead many different lifestyles; some destructive and others very constructive. Just like real people. Go figure. -
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That was hilarious, it would have been funnier if there had been a fireman in the Village People.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_People
But seriously, Tamela:
Wouldn't the acceptance of same sex marriage encourage the sort of committed relationships that cause the spread of STDs less prevalent?
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I could care less if gay people get married but it's pretty mean spirited to prevent them from having the same rights and benefits as the rest of us.
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That is exactly how I feel about it, and I tend to be more conservative than liberal on most issues.
But why shouldn't two people who are adults and committed to one another have the same rights as I do? Why should they be treated any differently?
I think we have much bigger fish to fry as a society than to worry about keeping homosexuals from marrying.
Now, I do take issue with things like the Folsom Street Fair, where sado masochism is celebrated and flaunted in the streets and children are allowed to witness it, but I'd feel this way regardless of the sexual orientation of the participants. -
[Now, I do take issue with things like the Folsom Street Fair, where sado masochism is celebrated and flaunted in the streets and children are allowed to witness it]
I don't take issue with S&M, but again, it is about consenting adults. Flaunting your sexuality in front of children is not appropriate, whether you are into BDSM, vanilla sex or gay sex.
The parade should have a warning that it may contain adult content or something to that extent.
I agree with you that sexuality is not something you celebrate in front of children, least of all other people's children. And I am liberal on most issues
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This was in my shoutbox but I think it's actually better placed here.
achuna said:
Ma'am I like 2 ask a ? bout da recent dis.on Gay marriage. It odd to our culture, wat I wanna know is that, how do they live? Like what will be about their generation... having children and so on, I know about how man and woman make love but how do gay live as partner?
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(1) How people live is not the business of the state. The state is the servant of the electorate. And the role of the state is to deliver services without discrimination to all of its citizens.
(2) How other people live is not the concern of their neighbors either.
(3) Gay people choosing either to have children or not have children is not a concern. In case you haven't noticed human population is exploding. There are so many humans devouring so many non-renewable resources that we are over burdening the planet and eliminating other species of plant and animal life at a breathtaking rate. Therefor, the more humans who choose not to pro-create the better it is for the planet. -
I accept love and commitment. I respect others and their relationships. I honor their freedom of choice. Peace
I just read some of the comments above this one and I must add that discretion is a necessary cloak to don when it comes to public displays of sexual choices. Behind closed doors is respectful. No need to influence little children or embarrass anyone else. Respect must go both ways ... no pun intended. -
@timethief, It concerns me when anyone makes a bad decision in their life which could possibly cause their life to be shortened. Whether it's smoking or sexual promiscuity it makes no differnce to me. But like i said that is their decision and none of my business they have freewills and who am i to tell them any differently unless of course they ask for my honest opinion about it.
And why do you assume that just because i see this in a different light that i could possibly be a homophobe. By the way Isn't the def. of phobia an intense and abnormal illogical fear of something?
I notice that you throw names around like religious zealots, bigots, and homophobia. Do you have a phobia of these people?
I hope you understand where i am coming from i do not have a phobia of homosexuals. In fact i know a few and i love them. I have noticed though that those who do have phobias do a lot of name calling. My experience is that those who consider themselves radical right wing conservatives and those who consider themselves radical left winged liberals have a tendency to name call each other.
I do have more of a conservative stand on this issue but i am not a radical right winged conservative/activists thusly you will not see me name calling.-
Re:http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/can-u-accept-gay-marriage#comment_441827
@Tamela,
You have said:
"It concerns me when anyone makes a bad decision in their life which could possibly cause their life to be shortened. Whether it's smoking or sexual promiscuity it makes no differnce to me. But like i said that is their decision and none of my business they have freewills and who am i to tell them any differently unless of course they ask for my honest opinion about it."
You have also made an off-beat and irrelevant reference to your husband's business here : www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/can-u-accept-gay-marriage#comment_439591
"My husband was a firefighter for 15 years and he has seen how destructive the homosexual lifestyle can be. Health/body wise he has seen some pretty awful things in the abuse of each others bodies (concerning homosexual activity) to the point of destruction. ... "
I do think that I know where you are coming from.
(1) You are concerned about the sex lives of people you do not have sex with.
(2) You have stated it isn't your business to be concerned about the sex lives of people but you are concerned anyway.
In answer to the OP's question you have said: "So do i accept homosexual marriages? Well everyone was created with a free will so it is their choice. The sexual health hazards is my concern."
It's my life experience that those who profess to share these "health" concerns about people they don't have sex with and speak in terms of the exercise of "free will" are homophobes but, if you are an exception to that - good on you!
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@timethief. No timethief I said it is none of my business how they choose to live their life. But i still have concerns about their health. I wanted to clarify that. This can get really trivial so i will stop here. But just to let you know there are other people out there like myself who are acceptions to the rule as well and hopefully you will come across more. Take care!
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Can I stop and ask what exactly is the gay "lifestyle?" Here is my conversation with anyone coming out to me:
"I'm gay."
"Okay...do you like me?"
"Nope."
"Wicked, let's go get pizza."
Did that person suddenly CHANGE THEIR WAY OF LIFE. Nope. Do lesbians suddenly cut their hair and buy flannel once out? Well, some, but mostly because if you're a tomboy you get flack for it. If you're gay you can shop in the men's graphic T-shirt section of target and nobody will give a crap. So the gay lifestyle is ... a couple less people on your case about your fashion wear.
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The gay lifestyle is a myth. My gay friends talk about queens and gays. Gays are people who are homosexual, queens are those who make a big fuss and flap around. Gays are not necessarily queens (although it is not uncommon) and queens are not necessarily gay (although that is probably uncommon).
It's like talking about the straight lifestyle. It's not really a lifestyle, it's something you are born with.
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Meh, gay people are human too. I think the idea of marriage to a gay person is more to prove their validity than to get rights or show love, but who am I to say anything about it?
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I think that two consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want as long as they are not hurting another person. Gay relationships may offend some people, but that's to bad... offending someone is not the same as hurting them.
What I have to say to all of the straight people that have such a fit over a gay couple showing affection or getting married is this, "Do you want me to come into your house and tell you how to have sex with your spouse? Do you want me to come in and tell you that you are only allowed to love one another if you meet certain guidelines?" No you don't... so why should it be okay for straight people to do that to gay people. It isn't your life... and unless they are in your living room you have no right to tell them what they can and can't do.
I look forward to the day that we encourage two adults to love one another.
If it harms no, so mote it be!
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