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Civil Liberties: America's Rank
Posted by Agit8r • 3/20/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Civil Liberties, u.s.a.
More than 50 countries rank higher than the U.S. in the realm of civil liberties, according to "THE ECONOMIST" magazine
a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/25828/20081021185552/graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy...
What could we do better?
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does anyone care about civil liberties?
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apparently, accidentally deriding the special olympics is much more important... -
well, yeah... of course!
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Obama did wrong and apologized. What I can't get over is how hung up people are on this one special Olympics gaffe. America faces huge economic challenges and business as usual will NOT cure the problems. The huge economic problem affects almost every other nation on earth. So is this fixation on the gaffe an avoidance mechanism or what?
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you can talk about a gaffe endlessly without needing to know anything...talking about the economy requires some knowledge...
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yes. sorta like this AIG boondoggle is a distraction from what else is going on. Even though grotesquely wrong, $160 mil or whatever is chump change in a $3 tril bailout.
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tru dat
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America could do so many things better.
For one, educating the police on what civil rights people actually have would be a great start. Too many police have little understanding of the laws they enforce, and so they enforce them incorrectly.-
an even worse situation occurs when our most powerful public servants understand the civil liberties that our constitution garauntees us, but decide to subvert them (Also known as TREASON)
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Oh you mean like when the Bush administration ordered the wire tapping of journalists seen as unfriendly to the administration?
I know this is off the subject of civil liberties, but I saw the outing of Valerie Plame by agents of Dick Cheney (Scooter Libby) as a blatantly illegal act that should have been an impeachable offense. -
actually it should never have gotten to that. He should have been gone after ordering the Air Force to shoot down airliners on 9/11. Fortunately Air Force commanders understand chain of command
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It's not just about civil rights and the police, it's about the invasion of government with legislation such as the Patriot Act which allows warrant-less wire-tapping, circumvents the judiciary branch and subjugates basic civil rights such as Habeus Corpus.
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I've noticed that despite the campaign promise, Obama has made no statements regarding the restoration of Habeus Corpus. Might be a good time to play that card right now, so everyone can talk about something other than Geithner and the Special Olympics
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If you think Extreme Rendition can't happen to U.S. citizens, just ask Jose Padilla (aka the Dirty Bomber)
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Impeachment of Cheney? How about prison? And let's not stop there. Does anyone think all that crap happened without Bush's knowledge? Talk about naive!!-
Yeah, Bush liked to play dumb. "I'm just a simple born-again man" Bushit
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I know in the case of my demographic, civil rights do not exist except in 6 states. In other states we usually encounter the following:
1. We are denied the right to raise our children.
2. We are denied the right to correct identity on our documents.
3. We are beaten and raped while law enforcement often is not interested in the fact.
4. When incarcerated we are typically given the harshest sentences and are forced to use our birth names, even if legally changed.
5. Since Littleton vs. Prague, our marriages have been summarily voided.
6. We have no recourse in discrimination cases.
7. We are murdered, often without the crime being prosecuted.
8. We are denied shelter or medical treatment if homeless.
9. We are forced out of housing without recourse.
10. We are terminated from employment without recourse.
11. We are forced into sex work.
12. We are harassed by authorities and have faced expulsion from communities and entire states.
This is common for those of us who are transgender, intersexed, or transsexual. While there have been advances on this front, we still have light years to go.
But even so, this demographic is probably not even considered in this ranking because we don't have recognition among all world peoples that we even exist. Statistics more often than not are lumped into the numbers for gays and lesbians, even though we aren't accepted as a gay phenomenon at all by gays or lesbians. -
Shameless Necropost!
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Excellent! Let the zombies arise! But it does make me wonder, what ever happened to LynneaUrania? -
yeah, I haven't seen her for ages!
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And Mad Scientist and sunnyberra the ferret lady ... and Anok, for that matter. All the regulars are disappearing. I smell a new thread idea, here!
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yeah...the regulars have been very absent lately...
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I've even stumbled across some really old stuff by Lord Likely -- that guy was hilarious!
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did we drive them away???
or did they get lives?
What about mrcheeseburger? -
hmm...I wonder what we did...
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it couldn't be me...
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I ate mrcheeseburger, so that one's a no brainer. Even Anin's been a but scarce, of late.
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lets start a thread speculating what they're up to... someone else start it...I've started too many self-aware threads lately!
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No go for it, Siuil. Agit8r's already cluttering the boards with necroposting, so a "What Ever Happened To?" thread would be really excellent and appropriate!
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hey... just 'cause of Necroposting Day!
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Yeah, agit. I can't wait to necropost the necroposting thread in a few days. That should sufficiently blow everyone's minds...
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Just propaganda, US is no more or less democratic than European Countries: all are hypocrit democracies
The purpose of the medias are to publish these kind of articles to divide people between continents, each thinking having the best system of course.-
most European countries at least try to restrain special interest influence in a meaningful way.
our civil liberties issues are related to the Patriot act/extreme rendition of U.S. Citizens w/o trial, etc.
We also have serious property rights issues (imminent domain abuse)
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It's my uncivil liberties I'm concerned about. -
You obviously forgot that America is #1 in EVERYTHING no matter what anyone else says-
damn straight! where else can you raise inbred snakes!
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We could jail those jerks from the economist!!!
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