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Could the US Republic fall?
Posted by harveyavatar • 10/23/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: cap and trade, central banksters, demise of the middle class, new world order
Mkay, I watched the latest Alex Jones movie. I'm not a huge fan as I find he tends to whip up fear, I interpret this movie as what a certain group would like to see come true (however, much of what is shown is by no means conjecture).
Do you believe the US Republic could "fall"? As in the constitution being torn up and sovereignty being abandonned. Or is that wishful thinking on the part of a handful bent on world domination?
Part1 of Fall of the Republic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-WX3xDQJA
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It could, but knowing this country and the different groups that compose it, the result would be not tyranny but a horrifying and bloody civil war that takes the lives of millions and in the end destroys the oppressors as well. Probably in the end we'd end up as separate countries. -
If good people do nothing our way of life could fail. But in the end all human governments will fall.-
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Interesting remark, would you care to elaborate?
When Aristotle suggests man is a political animal, he means he is drawn to the establishment of a polis - city/State with a unified sense of community. Wouldn't this be in contradiction with your view? -
I think that he means that governments have risen and fallen and ultimately every civilization will experience failure and will be reborn from the ashes. -
All human governments, but not necessarily all human societies. The Hebrews and the Chinese, for instance, have been around for thousands of years and there is no evidence that they're leaving us now. Unless, of course, you look at destruction of all mankind...
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This is wishful thinking of the handful that is bent on world domination. For now the US Republic will stand but in the end as Inclark1950 stated "all human governments will fall." -
Agreed. All governments fail. Then the questions in my mind are:
1.) could the US fail within 10 years
2.) could the US fail within 50 years
3.) what happens to those of us still alive in the land formerly known as the United States of America. -
Theoretically:
The federal government could fail in some way, but I think the 50 states would then just fall back on their individual state governments. And since many people in all the states are from other states, there would be no real inter-state conflicts, and a united government would soon be rebuilt. -
If the U.S. falls, that will only make the European Union stronger.-
YOU WISH!!!
EU's doomed anyways. -
The E.U. has the Euro dollar and we, U.S., has the almighty weak dollar!
...And no I don't wish. 8-( -
Regardless, their immigration and demographic problems means it really doesn't matter how good their economy is because just like Civil War Atlanta and the Kaisers Germany, it will all get destroyed overnight.
In any case, as Japan has proved time and time again, strong currency =/= strong country. Indeed, many of Americas problems stem from our dollar being overpriced and thus driving out manufacturers. It's actually a good thing that the dollars going down.
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I don't believe it is a republic. -
I read that once hyperinflation sets in - brought on by a collapse of the $ (anywhere from 1 to 5 years out) - Americans will be begging for the $ to be pegged/integrated to a world currency. Although the agricultural and industrial sectors need to be rebuilt, I don't think it has to happen that way.
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It already has. Welcome to the Amerikan Corpocracy; land of the fee & home of the slave.-
sad but true
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Tsk tsk -- kids today. -
Trick question?
Since it looks like we've got several billion years before the sun starts giving us serious trouble, and given what we can learn from the five thousand or so years of recorded human experience: Yes, of course the American republic can fail.
Given time, I'm pretty sure it will.
But I wouldn't hold my breath. Rome went roughly five centuries before the Caesars sorted out the mess made by the Roman Senate - and had a four-century-plus run after that. Egypt had almost three millennia of the same culture and government, with the occasional hiccup: and two times, a century or two each, when there was a serious break in continuity.
America's got a fairly decent set of checks and balances and, thank God, people still coming in from all over the world - with fresh ideas and new ways of looking at issues. I'm hardly a jingoistic American chauvinist, but we made it through Teapot Dome and Watergate - I think we can make it through whatever the current mess gets called. -
I think it depends on how we define fail, too.
It could conversely be said that it is the modern democratic process, and the public "servants" that it produces that fails the notion of Republic. Considering what those who framed our current federal system aspired to...
rightsofman1789.blogspot.com/2009/04/rights-of-mankind-1868.html -
Interesting question. Anything can happen, however, I just don't think the US on the verge of immediate collapse, but it is presently dealing with its decline economically and so therefore geopolitically. Many globally influential countries, such as England in the past, have experienced a bigger decline in influence whilst remaining more or less stable during their adjustment period. Of course England relied heavily on the US in a variety of ways during its decline.
What's more important for America is the present state of global affairs, and also how far the US establishment is willing to sacrifice its middle classes to corporate goals. Once the EU implements the Lisbon Treaty, there will be a huge ramp up in its military spending. Europe sits very nicely at a global cross roads between North/South America and the East. So the US won't have any complict allies, imo, as it declines economically.
Therefore, US security and cohension, imo, is only as good as its economic well being. Its economic well being has relied on a vibrant, mobile and economically well off middle class. The decline will be measured by how much of these middle classes survive or fail. -
I would say the assault on the middle class concerns Western European countries too.
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I second that: land of the fee & home of the slave. Yay Amerikka
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