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DAYUM!!!! I LUV BC
Posted by HollytheHousewife • 7/27/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: blog, blogcatalog, blogging
So AngieA and TonyB are the bizzzzzzzzzzznomb. (Ya heard me)
They just donated to bailusout.ning.com They just don't realize how much that meant to me...
So I'm starting this thread just to say THX!!! And for people to tell them how much we love BLOG CATALOG!!!!
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Wow that' good news. -
So I'll start it off!!!
I love BC bcuz it gives me a place to practice my debating skills (which is still a work in progress,haha)
I love BC bcuz I can't afford a therapist,haha... yes this is the best place ever to vent,bcuz there are some really AWESOME people here that give great advice,which has prolly saved me sum moolaah on some shrink that says ....here's a bottle of xanax, and my bill will be in the mail!! (Which did happen btw,but I changed my mind and talked walgreens into giving me my money back) just had to add that...... -
Yes celtic and monkey man,they're good people
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I love BC because of all the amazing people I've met here and because I love conversation. -
I actually find that astounding.-
Quite surprised myself.
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What? That bc donated to my cause
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Okay--I believe I should address you, Holly.
Yes, I am dismayed that BC donated to your 'cause,' which I believe is a scam. Where is the information on your website that alerts potential 'supporters' that they are not going to be able to use their donation as a tax write off? If you have a governmental listing of your foundation as a non-profit, tax-deductible contribution, then I would like to see evidence of that. If you don't, then the money could be used for everything and anything and your seeking donations, I believe, is quite misleading.
That the administrators of BC gave you a donation,
legitimizes your 'cause' which I feel is misleading to the general public and wrong.
Although I supported your return to this forum--believing that every person deserves a second chance, I am highly wary of you. I will not forget the slanderous lies that you posted about me on your blog, attacking me both personally and professionally. Many other members also saw the same thing (and lies were posted about them too). There's no use in denying it.
I also remember that you told me that you hoped I would die of AIDS. Since I have lost over 25 friends to AIDS, this cut me as deeply as anything could. I have never been more offended by any insult ever directed at me.
Many people on this forum saw that original contact form, sent by you.
So, yes, I am shocked and dismayed that this cause of yours is being supported by the admins of this community. Shocked and dismayed.
I will also add that I sent an email to BC admins today, withdrawing my financial support of the community. -
@Melinda
- I kept copies of everything from the past that you refer to above, including the comments submitted to my own blog, which I did not approve and post. I want to thank you for your comment made just above this one. It is extremely well written and restrained. I also stand with you.
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Hello to everyone here.
I guess I should address each of you "now" since everyone seems to have their own 2 cents, with the exceptions of Ms MelindaVilla and the GreeCurmudgeeon , as they obviously have more then a few cents of input.
Should I go down the line?
OK..., I will.
You will see an answer to mostly everyones comments or questions under their own comments.
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@MelindaVille,
That you personally believe that Hollys cause or blog is a scam is your right to thinks so and your own personal opinion only counts when others care to listen to it.
In regards to what you stated here >>"Where is the information on your website that alerts potential 'supporters' that they are not going to be able to use their donation as a tax write off? If you have a governmental listing of your foundation as a non-profit, tax-deductible contribution, then I would like to see evidence of that. If you don't, then the money could be used for everything and anything and your seeking donations, I believe, is quite misleading.
Ok, ...so,...Melinda, Let me tell you that I did NOT even consider "tax deductions" when I gave to her cause. I have stated and thought I was clear, but, maybe I better be clear about it again. I said that the donation that was given to Holly was NOT a BC donation but rather a personal one.
The tax information didn't even cross my mind, and to be perfectly honest, if her cause is or has anything to do with being a scam, then so be it. I gave to her cause because I believed in what she was doing, and if she's not using the money towards her cause, its fine with me because it was a gift from me to her. If it is a scam, then it should "not" concern you since its my own $$$ and it didn't come out of your pocket, nor did I or BC ask you to contribute.
Sorry if i sound so forward and straight to the point, but I did not see you waste any time in coming out and speaking your own mind.
In regards to this part here, what you addressed to Holly.. > "I also remember that you told me that you hoped I would die of AIDS. Since I have lost over 25 friends to AIDS, this cut me as deeply as anything could. I have never been more offended by any insult ever directed at me. Many people on this forum saw that original contact form, sent by you."
I must admit, if she did say those things to you, I do agree with you in saying that was a HORRIBLE thing to say to you and I must admit that I probably wouldn't or couldn't forget it either, and would of felt the same way you did as those words do cut very deep. : (
So in that respect, I totally understand your point of view. However, again, let me remind you, what happened between you two, I had nothing to do with and had no knowledge of it. -
Angie, I have great respect for you and Tony and for your judgment, but I must admit that I am as surprised as Melinda. Holly described in great detail in these forums the way that she intentionally defaulted on a mortgage as a means of living rent-free for several months so that she could purchase a better home that she felt was more in line with what her family "deserved". She openly expressed a great deal of pride at having entered into a contract she had no intention of honoring as a smart way of getting ahead, and denigrated people who felt financial obligations should be honored.
Given that she hads already told us point blank that she was not only willing to defraud anyone in order to advance the interests of her family but considered it a virtue, it is very difficult to understand entrusting her with money or appearing to endorse her cause. -
@MX, Angie didn't have any knowledge about Holly's past activities and what she has said or done. Angie acted out of a caring heart, which is something I support. I didn't know who the money was going to when Angie said we were contributing to a member's cause. If I would have known it was going to Holly I would have had severe resevations given the past history. When Angie asked me if we should, I said if someone needs the money, and you feel it in your heart to do so then help them out. Im certain that if Angie knew the background to events here she likely wouldn't have given any money. -
@Angie and TonyB
I am certain that you didn't realise what Holly had said to Melinda. However, surely it must have been obvious that her relationship with many members on BC was loaded with "friction" to say the least? Also, it must have been apparent that your support could be "spun" into support from BC as a whole?
That's why this is creating controversy. Of course, if Holly hadn't decided to tell the wider world in the first place, we would be none the wiser. -
@Curmudgeon, Angie didn't know the background story to Holly. She wasn't active in the discussions when the incidents occurred with Holly and other BC members. So when Holly asked her for money, Angie thought nothing of it aside from helping someone in need.
If I had known who the money was being gifted to I would have said no to it as I certainly know what happened between Holly and some of the community and am not even sure what she is raising money for. I looked at her ning site and cannot tell.
Angie acted from her heart. If you know Angie that is what she does. She didn't know anything about things that happened in the past with Holly.
When Angie told me she was giving a member a gift, I thought nothing of it. Again, if I would have know that it was going to Holly I would have said no given what has transpired and the lack of clarity as to what Holly is up to. -
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@Angie--you are absolutely free to give your money to whomever you wish. That is certainly your prerogative.
On that same note, it is my choice to decide which companies and organizations I choose to support, such as my financial support of BC.
Of course, I have personal reasons to not support Holly. Being civil in this forum is no problem for me; however, I have concerns on a much greater scale that her 'cause' is misleading for the reasons so succinctly stated by MadameX.
When she tells people (and who knows how many people she tells) that BC donated to her, it gives the impression of legitimacy, which I have seen no proof that her cause is. I just really hope that people understand what is a tax-deductible donation and what is not--and to even demand proof of how people's hard working money is being used.
Believe me, I am in the process of setting up a foundation--there are so many aspects of legalities that need to be addressed for any legitimate cause.
This is all I will say on this matter for now. I made my views known and I am not sorry I did.
Sometimes, it is important to make a stand. -
Tony, I definitely believe that Angie is an "err on the side of kindness and generosity" kind of person, and I love that about her. I also think, contrary to some of the comments above, that you have the right to support or not support any cause you like, whether or not a BC member has a particular interest in that cause, and that the fact that you own a business that includes a public forum in no way obligates you to treat everyone equally--you're entitled to your own discernment, and every charitable donation or post in favor of some organization is an act of choosing one over others. The only reason I commented above is that I do believe that Holly's post here could be interpreted as a kind of endorsement from BC, which might lead other members to assume that her "cause" is legitimate.
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i like bc because people here turn me on mentally.
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Ah, thank you Holly. : D
It was more of a personal donation then a BC thing.
Tony and I just felt what Holly was doing was really not only “brave” but a great example of not giving up and having the courage to fight.
NOT to mention that I am sure you are helping others who might be in the same situation as yourself with great advice and suggestions.
Personally, what I find most touching about what you are doing is the love you have behind you to keep moving forward and never give up for those beautiful three girls of yours.
Those girls of yours are picture perfect! -
I had considered giving money to BC on a monthly basis because in general, I believe in its activities and the intentions of its founders. After seeing this, I will not.
Thank you.-
@GreenCurmudgeon,
That is your choice.
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I shall put this in the 'bizarre' category of things I have read today.-
Truly. Bizarre. And. Shocking.
Not much renders me speechless.
This did.
Nuff said. -
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@Crpitt
You aren't the only one who categorized this as "Bizarre"
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Not really, I think the response has been fairly moderate.
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You really don't know the waters that have passed under the bridge. If you were aware, you might just have a different view.
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'bizarre'and 'shocking" are not moderate
moving on, i think each one of us is intitled to our own decisions, if we don'tlike it let it be.-
It is considering what I was really thinking.
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When one sees a storm approaching, it's far better to get indoors than to complain about the rain.
In light of circumstances, "bizarre" is a very moderate comment.
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all i am saying is i am putting my self on the situation. if it was me i would find it 'not moderate' response.
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Then I suggest you're not entirely informed about the situation. This is offensive to a large number of people, and quite frankly, if this website wants to prosper, it will cater to its community without prejudice. This act makes its prejudices known, and as I repeat: it is extremely offensive.
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You haven't been around that long. If you knew the history, you might feel differently.
Allowing some members freedom to list their blogs here is one thing. Supporting a 'cause' (using that term loosely) is a whole different level--particularly if you were aware of some of the damaging things that have been done by the OP. -
@ Celtic M F
Thank you, for your thoughts and do feel everyone should move on, though I would also understand those that might not be able to.
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Angie did say it was more of a personal donation than a BC thing. So maybe that should be emphasized.
And maybe the water under the bridge should be left under the bridge. So new currents can start flowing.-
@NothingProfound,
You are right.
Where you the only one that got that part? -
That would be simpler if there had been a genuine apology on behalf of the offending party. As there has been zero remorse shown, sorry, being wary is an appropriate response.
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I agree I heard personal donation there. if i didn't see that i would have thought it the other way
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I wouldn't support any cooporation or business if I knew its owners made a personal contribution to a 'cause' I abhorred.
While BC is certainly within their rights to give Holly money, I am also in my rights to state my concerns and to withdraw my own support. Which I have done.-
Again your choice
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The point here is that Holly is a friend. And if I have in my capacity to do that I would. It's not about BC. It's not about corporation. It is about human friendship.Please don't see black and white where there is none. I am sorry to hear that it has caused you such displeasure but then again, it is your right to do so.i will rest my case and concentrate on positivity.:)
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I think we're all talking about the many shades of gray here. This is the furthest from a black and white discussion I believe I have ever seen.
NOTHING in this discussion is simple black and white. It's all about intentions, beliefs, values, personal integrity and accountability, and history.
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I too am sorry to hear that it has caused such displeasure.
And do not see it grey, I do however see others jumping to comclusions and deciding to be jurers
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Surely people can disagree without rejecting each other. And I always feel the past is something to overcome, rather than pay blind homage to.
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Bring back Lisa and the Doll!!
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"blind homage"
this is anything but.
This drives right to the core of what I believe and what I feel is important in life. It's hard to make a stand. But sometimes, it is important to make a stand if it is something you believe. -
oops! wrong spot - moved down.
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Melinda, since I don't know what the history or real issue is here, I'll butt out. Obviously there's a lot more to it, than I can ascertain from this thread.
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There is much more to it, NP--I don't want to bring up tons of old history--but I have very good reasons for my reaction here.
I also think this cause is a bit misleading and I feel that should be addressed also. I know this--because I am in the process of legallyconstructing a non-profit, tax-deductible foundation (Melindaville). I feel all causes are hurt when people are not completely upfront about exactly how funds are used. This simply hurts everyone--and I have not seen Holly address that at all on her blog.
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Can I butt out also?
I didn't know the history either.
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- (1) Is the ning site being promoted in the OP of this thread actually a blog?
(2) Has it been submitted to BC Admin, and was it approved by Admin as a "blog", and entered into the BC Directory by Admin?
If the answers to those questions is "no" then, in essence, there's nothing to discuss in this thread at all, because that would render this thread subject to reporting for either thread locking or deletion.-
TT--people are allowed to discuss links/topics that are not posted/listed with BC. All the time, we discuss sites, stories, etc that are not listed on BC.
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- Really? I thought the reason Admin previously deleted the threads and comments by another member and her friends who were trying to promote a sex forum on the BC forum that wasn't registered here at BC, was because they were (1) not blogs, and (2) they were not registered here at BC. I can think of two other examples as well. [shrug] I believe Admin can clarify this for us and I sure hope they do.
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I don't know about other deletions--but I have seen so many threads with a link pointing to this or that for a discussion purpose. That was the last thing on my mind when I saw this thread.
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It doesnt matter whether a link in here is too a blog or another type of website. The test is whether the primary reason the link was included was to drive traffic to the site or to enhance the discussion.
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@Angie
The problem is that you are not just an ordinary member of BC, you are the owner and administrator. So when you interact with members in a way that is partial to the point of giving money and demonstrating support, you do it in the name of BC. Whether or not that is your intention, that is what you are doing.-
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The fun of being a member of BlogCatalog is that we are a wonderful community of artists and yet we are individuals. The last time I looked we are still living in the home of the free, so whether or not Angie chooses to donate or give her hard earned cash is her business and I do not feel any of us has any right to object to how she decided to spend her money. I donate, when I can, to this community because it is a beautiful place to be and the bickering that occurs every so often is sometimes healthy but when it turns nasty then there is no enlightenment.
Truthfully, I did not understand what the cause is but because we are a free community we should allow others to believe differently, without censure. Please no more ugliness. Life is indeed too short. -
@Theresa--to me, life is about celebration, joy, and harmony--absolutely, when that is possible. But life is also about making a stand, stating your views, questioning the actions of others that you feel should be quesioned.
The questions raised here are all worthy of being addressed. If this thread is uncomfortable for you, then you don't have to take part in it. You are right--we are a free society and you are free to state your views (which you did) and so am I (which I did). That you didn't care for my views is not my problem--it's yours.
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Bull Hockey! Leave Angie alone! She is a sweetheart!
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I don't know Angie well but I have always liked her. This has nothing to do with how I feel about Angie, personally.
It has to do with my giving financial support to a business (Blogcatalog) because I question the motives and donations made to a 'cause' that I feel is illegitimate.
Believe me, I have a long history of boycotting products and stating my views, even when they are unpopular. I'm from San Francisco, remember?
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Mannnn you guys should see my shout box. Private messages are going wild.
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OK,...Yu know what?
I am making Theresa111 the official "Peace Maker of the community"
CelticMF will be named "Peach of the community" as that man is really sweet.-
I think you're making it worse now.
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John Lennon said it best, "Give Peace A Chance."
Sometimes we forget just how beautiful we all are. By recalling this, perhaps we can come together and show more regard for our fellow writers.
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@ Epicharis,
Not trying to make it worse.
Just had allot of nice comments on my shout box.
Thanks to everyone who's left me some really nice words.
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@Angie
These comments in Tony's shoutbox are quite worrying:
"HollytheHousewife said:
HEYdo u mind if I promote my cause on here... I will pro mo BC on bailusout.ning.com I hope you will join and tell as many people as u can to join. The site isn't for making money at all it's for my cause!!!"
"HollytheHousewife said:
Hey I just wanted to say thank yall sooooo much and I'm trying to fig out how to put your widget or badge on my site and blog!!!"
Do you see why your donation to Holly has caused so much consternation?-
Of course I do.
Now feel free to ask Holly or Tony if he answered her.
uuhnnn.....who's making this worse?
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@Angie
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Question: Are Blog Catalog members allowed to use the BC forum(s) to promote other sites they may have, if the sites they wish to promote are NOT blogs, and have NOT been submitted to and approved by BC Admin, and registered in the BC Directory?-
The BC discussions are not for promotion of sites, whether they are blogs or not. The test we use is whether the link included in the discussion supports/encourages the discussion or whether it was included with the clear and primary purpose of driving traffic to the site.
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So I suppose I will add my own two cents now. In regards to what the funds Holly collects go to, I only know of a few things for certain:
1. Printing of flyers that a company was nice enough to design and provide the first batch free for (I do have a copy of one should anyone want to see one for themselves). The fact that there is a need for reprints and that I have personally heard shopkeepers while on the phone with her say "yeah your flyers are flying off the shelves" leads me to believe that she is legit in her attempts to make a difference
2. Spreading the word, project development and I believe travel though am not 100% on that.
I would think that it would be fairly easy to spot a scam, simply google the phone number for one of the people she mentions speaking to at the mayors office. Someone can be unpopular but still have a heart of gold. I am not saying I support or not support her, I am just saying personal relations have little to do with causes. I am a royal bitch, but I am the same bitch people try to get on their team when a bill need passed, promo needs done or a pit bull needs rescued.
Sorry, back on point, kindness and generousity are traits that should be applauded not ridiculed or disected. If there were more people like Angie, the world would truly be a better place.-
I'll answer this. I took the liberty of taking a look at the site referenced in relation to this "cause". In terms of political and intellectual content, it has none. All it basically says apart from some flagrant, puffed-up posturing about what a "Mighty Housewife" can do is "I want $6000". If one is concerned about how the stimulus money is being spent or about the deficits that are presently being accrued, there are many other organisations who have actually thought about the issue (Such as the Cato Institute and the National Taxpayers Union) rather than just thrown a tantrum that is less sophisticated than one provided by the average 3 year old in a grocery store.
Perhaps "scam" is a title that gives this too much dignity. At its centre is a vacuum, a void. It is a waste of time, and as this has shown, it is an irritant to the community because the person who is behind it has caused deep offence without ever once apologising to those whom she has offended.
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You deleted my account?
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Who deleted your account? Whaaaa?
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Ok, I have been to the site.
I have questions.
1) What is the purpose? Who/what is being bailed out? And out of what?
2) How much money is needed for this bail out?
3) How much has been collected so far?
4) Where is it?
5) How are recipients of the bail out money chosen?
6) What safeguards are in place to make sure the money went to its intended purpose?
I'm not trying to be smart or funny or difficult...these are legitimate questions of anyone asking for donations of cash and the site does not answer them. In fact, I cannot tell if it means to bail out "us" (as in Holly and her husband) or the U.S.!! -
okay, here is what I'll do since I have 0 to do today, I will go back through, google and call the #'s and call Holly to gain clarification. Then list the names of whom all I spoke with and provide their answers as well as hers. This should solve everything from legitimate questions to any rumors. Sometimes getting to the bottom of things takes less effort than a simple reply. If it's a scam, I will call it how I see it, if not, same thing.
As for tantrums, well dignified or not, that is and has been the American way for a long time.
I still find it offputting that instead of celebrating the kindness of one, we are instead debating the cause in which she felt compelled to give.Somehow it seems that we are doubting her intelligence by doing so, which is the only reason I am getting to the bottom of it. I would hate for her to lose that spirit of kindness and became slightly jaded due to a few personal issues.-
I beg your pardon, but this is not a "few personal issues". It cannot be denied that Holly wished death on a fellow member of BC via one of the most horrific means possible. This is not something that should be entertained in any reasonable discourse and furthermore, no public apology has been made, nor any act of repentance for this statement. Were it said to someone you care about, Endlessly, I dare say you'd be taking this less lightly.
Secondly, the website itself, which is supposed to be the epicentre of this "cause", as has been stated says nothing. At least, nothing that indicates its organisation, the purpose, and the intellectual underpinnings for which it stands. However, one cannot build a house on phantom foundations. Nor can anyone regard this with anything other than suspicion and inquiry without that being clear.
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"I beg your pardon, but this is not a "few personal issues". It cannot be denied that Holly wished death on a fellow member of BC via one of the most horrific means possible. This is not something that should be entertained in any reasonable discourse and furthermore, no public apology has been made, nor any act of repentance for this statement. Were it said to someone you care about, Endlessly, I dare say you'd be taking this less lightly."
Ok, if it's dirty laundry time, why did she say those things?
1. One member insinuated he was coming to pay her pretty little girls a visit
2. One member looked up her home address info to make threats
3. 2 members threatened rape or, I'm sorry one threatened it and one insinuated it.
4. Several sent threats of physical harm through email, yahoo im, the blog and stupidly enough public shouts here on BC.
5. Much like the myspace case, people though it was funny tell her to kill herself, by way of anonymous comments and all Holly had to go on in identifying the ones who said it was a BC widget.
You are right, if someone said that to me I wouldn't take it lightly, as a matter of fact when people tried the same stuff on me, I unleashed the lawyers to draft up "no contact letters" and in one case sent their local PD after them. There are 2 or 3 members, including Melinda who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, many of the others though.... no no no they are quick to sweep what they did under the rug and point out only her responses. That's fair.
"Secondly, the website itself, which is supposed to be the epicentre of this "cause", as has been stated says nothing. At least, nothing that indicates its organisation, the purpose, and the intellectual underpinnings for which it stands. However, one cannot build a house on phantom foundations. Nor can anyone regard this with anything other than suspicion and inquiry without that being clear."
Agreed, that is why I said I am getting to the bottom of it
"Finally, as for tantrums being the American way; this is a load of nonsense. Eloquently stated opposition, reasoned argument and clear discourse is the American tradition, not screaming "I want". If you need proof, go read the Declaration of Independence."
Oh my mistake, I thought all of the frivelous law suits, protesting, attention grabbing and media whoring could be looked at as a tantrum since I am quite certain my child could have pulled much of these stunts off in a more civilized fashion. There is a difference between what was intended and what has actually become common practice. I am interested to know where you are from, I have lived in 27 states and Ireland, only 3 of the 27 states handled things through "Eloquently stated opposition". The rest threw fits, smeared opposition, cried to the media,cried to anyone who would listen and acted like babies. Most animal cruelty laws were brought into existance via a tantrum, as well as most civil rights actions, womans rights issues,etc.
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Sophistry. You are trying obscure the vacuum at the heart of Holly's cause by bringing up some spurious examples. Even the women "burning bras" had a stated agenda, namely, they wanted equal rights. This is barely even "give me money". You are shaming the great protestors for civil rights of the past by even daring to make the comparison: they stood for liberty. Holly stands for nothing except her own publicity and getting a pay cheque...until she proves otherwise.
As for the rest of your post - I'm glad you realise that this is not to be taken lightly; however it should not require recourse to the courts. It should require that Holly apologises and makes amends to Melinda for what she said: that's it. If she refuses, then the rest of the community is right in taking umbrage that such an individual is allowed persist in its midst. What you are witnessing is the community's revulsion at this; what is strange is why you are immune to the repulsiveness of what she said, and the lingering stain of her refusal to do something to make up for it to the person she wronged.
I'm really not interested in you dragging up other examples to obscure what Holly did wrong, which is the issue. I suggest you focus on getting your friend to clarify what she stands for, and to do the decent thing, rather than to continue to throw muck at the wall in the hope some of it will stick. -
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Who are you referring to with these accusations?
1. One member insinuated he was coming to pay her pretty little girls a visit
Not me and no one that I know did this
2. One member looked up her home address info to make threats
Not me and no one that I know did this
3. 2 members threatened rape or, I'm sorry one threatened i
t and one insinuated it.
Not me and no one that I know did this
4. Several sent threats of physical harm through email, yahoo im, the blog and stupidly enough public shouts here on BC.
Not me and no one that I know did this
5. Much like the myspace case, people though it was funny tell her to kill herself, by way of anonymous comments and all Holly had to go on in identifying the ones who said it was a BC widget.
Not me and no one that I know did this
I have never seen a single bit of evidence of any of those things. And many people here saw the email form she sent me where she told me she hoped I would die of AIDS. Many people also saw her slander me on her blog, both personally and professionally. A post that was up for quite some time before she took it down.
I have never shouted to Holly except when she came back to the forum and I explained to her that the 'Drama' thread I started wasn't done with her in mind, but with Benny and whats her face (can't remember her name!).
I have never left her a comment on her blog, said anything about her on my blog--nothing.
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@greencurmudgeon "I'm really not interested in you dragging up other examples to obscure what Holly did wrong, which is the issue."
NO that is not the issue, the issue is Angie did something nice and people seem to like to overshadow that with one sided accounts of her history.
I knew you wouldn't be interested in knowing why, because after all, it is difficult to bully one when you see they are human. Continue on bashing, do whatever floats your boat. Clearly, based on your own response on what you are and are not interested in, this is not a discussion, but rather a"this is my opinion,and if you can't see it you must be indecent, and unintelligent" scenario.
What is funny though is that you are acting like the entire community is so disgusted but the shouts, emails, traffic and sheer number of supporters say it is more an even split. What I am witnessing is yet another excuse to twist a topic and pick on someone and I will not be a part of that because it is childish and ridiculous. -
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Am I allowed to say the names? I am not referring to you have stated you were an innocent bystander several time in several different threads and told her to apologize numerous times. Your face was on a widget is all and I agree that did not justify her response.
The only point I disagree with in your response is that several people have seen the shouts to her by those members as well as the emails which is, in my opinion the only reason she has so many supporters. I know that is the only reason I stand up for her, I saw them and in turn felt sympathy and began assisting her as I have a bit more tact than her. Were you wronged? Absolutely, but it seems that is something that will only be resolved privately between the two of you, otherwise it turns into a "this group vs that group"situation which is never good for communities -
Considering that the "cause" is, essentially unidentified, considering that Holly did boast about gaming her mortgage company (as Mme X noted and I clearly recall), considering that Holly asked Angie for money, Angie didn't just up and volunteer it (unless I misunderstood Tony's comment)...I think it is right and proper to be veeerrrryyyy skeptical about the legitimacy of this "cause" until something more concrete comes to light.
Add Holly's admitted scamming of her mortgage company and that she seems to have no remorse either for that act or for some pretty scurrilous remarks to others (i.e., Melinda), I would say her ethics are legitimately called into question.
A laundry list of "wrongs" against her does not excuse her behaviour nor does it legitimize this "cause." Being of open mind, however, I am willing to wait for answers to my questions before I finalize my opinion. I gotta say, though, that it doesn't look good and if those answers don't happen, it's gonna look even worse. -
@ESS--
I haven't ever seen any of those shouts in which Holly was threatened--and I honestly never saw anything like that in a discussion. My presence is spotty on the forum, though--because during the semesters when I am busy, I don't have as much time to post. I have never personally seen any evidence of what you are talking about. If those things were said to Holly, then of course, that is very wrong.
Yes, I showed up on her widget on her site--I visited her blog out of curiosity, as I do many BC blogs. I visit the blogs of people I agree with on here, as well as those I don't agree with.
And no, she has never once apologized to me for what she said--even though I apologized to her in saying I was sorry if she thought I had created the drama thread about her--when in fact, it was in reference to Benny and Amy (I think that was her name--I can't remember). Holly jumped to the conclusion that it was about her--but she had, in fact, left several weeks before. It's an aspect of egocentrism when you always think you are the target of everything--which she appears to succumb to quite frequently. In reality, it wasn't about her at all.
This is--because I am genuinely and legitimately concerned about how misleading her 'cause' is.
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I understand that. I have some questions myself regarding the cause hence the research. My only intention in replying was to try (failing miserably I may add) to keep the focus on the act of kindness that was bestowed and not on the person herself.. if that makes sense. I only brought her past into it because it was already out there. I do hope in time she does apologize, and I will have answers to SV's questions by the end of the day
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That is great Holly. Too bad your thread has been marred by such negativeness. Each of us have our causes we like to support, it seems to me in bad taste to lambast those of others.-
Re-read this page. There are very solid reasons to object to this and for the community to react. This is a community the last time I checked, and it's not "negativity" per se to suggest there is something deeply wrong with this. It is not "negativity" per se, to point out that the person who stands behind this cause is questionable. It would be naive and foolish not to ask questions.
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Do you know what Holly's cause is? If so, will you please enlighten the rest of us?
I'm not ordinarily considered to be dim, but I've been to the site in the link in the OP and, quite frankly, still don't know. -
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HAVE YOU GUYS NOTICED THAT "HOLLY" HAS DISAPPERED FROM THIS THREAD???
I hope that you guys who want or are donating money to BC will not change your minds on accounts to what "holly" has done or said to you. Angie had great intentions in donating to one of us who "seems" to need/want it badly. You might dislike/hate "holly" but don't fault BC for her actions.
I don't know jack about her or your history with her. But the fact that her fakeness (yes, I feel it too) can transcend the virtual space we share and pour into real life shows that "holly" is a fraud (if everyone spits at you, you are bound to get wet).
DON'T FAULT BC BECAUSE OF HOLLY. SHE IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!
DON'T FAULT BC BECAUSE OF HOLLY. SHE IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!
DON'T FAULT BC BECAUSE OF HOLLY. SHE IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!
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I think there is a more important point here...the concept of admins demonstrating favouritism towards one or more members when we expect to be treated even handedly. Suppose Angie donated the paltry sum of $10 to Holly...can I now expect her to donate $10 to me so I can give it to my favourite charity, a home for abandoned newborn HIV/AIDS babies? That $10 can buy formula for one of these babies for a month!
I don't have the cheek to ask...and I have no expectation of someone volunteering money...but if one BC member's undifferentiated plea for money (I have yet to figure out what Holly's cause is that it warrants donation...at least my cause is clear...care for HIV+ infants) can be answered by Admins, shouldn't we all be able to expect the same kind of treatment?
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I understand and what sets most of us apart from her is that we WILL NOT RUN AROUND THE WHOLE PLACE WITH OUR PALMS UP BEGGING FOR MONEY. Angie as a person, not a BC admin, did what most of us would have done had someone here ASKED US FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT OUR CAUSE/CHILDREN/SPOUSE/HOME/insert something here.
All I ask is that Holly makes it clear that this wasn't a donation since she asked for it and that this thread is misleading and another ploy for attention. But I see your point. I would rather the money go to anything else than holly's pocket, i mean cause and I cannot blame any member who gets angry/offended.
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Exactly!!
And I just had to shell out more than $5000USD to burglar proof my home after the last break in, which put quite a dent in my budget...
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EXACTLY....LOLITA
I WILL GLADLY GIVE ANGIE AND TONYB THEIR MONEY BACK!!!
Now,I haven't read any of the THREAD YET,ENDLESS has called and informed me of people who say I'm not legit.
to those people I give you
MAYOR GREGG DAVIS OF SOUTHAVEN,MS PHONE NUMBER (662)280-2489
U.S. SENATOR ROGER WICKER'S PHONE NUMBER (662)429-1002
I am also working with state SENATOR DOUG "SLUGGO"DAVIS-I only have his cell number which I got from mayor DAVIS so if u want his number GOOGLE IT!!!!
3RD you can also contact JOHN J. MACK CHEIF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of MORGAN STANLEY I'm not giving you his personal number either...GOOGLE IT!!!
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SAY I'M A SCAMMER U CAN CALL ME PERSONALLY WHICH I'M PUTTING MY NUMBER ON MY NING SITE bailusout.ning.com
as for getting my non-profit lisense,you can contact MRS.KRISTY @ MAYOR GREGG DAVIS'S OFFICE she is helping me jump through the necessary hoops!!!
I WILL NOT BE CALLED A SCAMMER AGAIN!!! CALL THE NUMBERS FOR YOURSELF!!!!
ANGIE TONYB CALL ME IF U WANT UR MONEY BACK-I'll be glad to give it back with a SMILE!!!!!-
now now, I called for clarification and to alert you that there were some questions, which is what I said I would do in my initial reply
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Um, how about you answer my questions, above?
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I am working on that right now
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NO HOLLY, don't wait for them to call return the "DONATED" $$$$ to them.
I don't care about your cause. what i care about is you misleading people into believing that Angie and Tony just upped and gave you $$$ when IN FACT, YOU BEGGED, I MEAN ASKED THEM TOO. you should have mentioned that from the go in this thread!!!!!
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YES,U Did baby doll,very appreciated!!!
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which one's I'm not scrolling back up. you can call me if you need questions answered,or any of the other numbers
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1) What is the purpose? Who/what is being bailed out? And out of what?
2) How much money is needed for this bail out?
3) How much has been collected so far?
4) Where is it?
5) How are recipients of the bail out money chosen?
6) What safeguards are in place to make sure the money went to its intended purpose?
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Well, I just spoke to someone at city hall (Mayor Gregg Davis's office) and they didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned your bailout cause. I said you had given the number as a reference to check out the legitimacy of a cause I was thinking of donating to. They were unable to verify for you. I'm not going to waste my time and embarrass you by calling the senators you have listed.
Edit: I should also mention that the number I called was one I got from the Southhampton website--which was different from the number Holly listed above.-
Hmm... I was almost sure that one of those numbers was for Pizza Hotline ..
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no southaven ms mayor gregg davis 662-280-2489
also they are not private numbers they are PUBLIC OFFICIALS....U KNOW WE ELECTED THEM PUT THEM IN OFFICE.... HELLLLOOOOOO -
MRS KRISTY SAID TO ME AND I QUOTE
"I am not helping her with anything!"
"We are not backing her!"
"She is a sweet woman who seems to want to do good, had a meeting with the Mayor and we gave her contact #s she wanted."
I asked her if I should donate my money and her reply? a resounding "NO, NO I wouldn't do it!"
I have no need to lie or make this up, if you need to talk to me on the phone holly, leave your number, i'll call you, record it all and post it online for everyone to hear" -
I have called a few, and am awaiting a response back. I told them I was considering writing a piece on the story for NowLocal and was told that it is court day and they will get back to me in the morning when people are in the office. So we'll see
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Well dunno what happened to you but when i called at 11:28, MRS KRISTY talked to me and "disowned" Holly and wanted no part in her "cause" she made it clear to me that neither her nor the mayor have N-O-T-H-I-N-G- to do with bailus(myhusband, myself, andmykids) out AND she told me NOT to give holly $$$!!
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Holly, I do have to say this, I called Mack the last time we had this discussion.
The number you gave me was not his direct line, and no one in the company had ever heard of you. I directed them to your website, and again they never heard of you or the deal you supposedly got from them.
They were rather interested in the financial advice you were giving others, however and I directed them to your old blog as well as the discussions that we had a long time ago. They thought it was "interesting" at best, and were more concerned that you were publishing private company information of public websites.
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I don't think you should have posted those private phone numbers on a public forum. What you should have done is posted a clear, well documented charter for your non-profit on your website as as an administrative oversight structure. You should have presented documentation ON YOUR SITE about what steps you are taking to legitimize your charity and a business model for how the funds will be spent. Transparency is absolutely mandatory as non-profits are required by law to disclose all fund raising and expenditure. It must also be clearly delineated what percentage of the funds would be used to create a political action committee to lobby Congress. What kind of legislation will this PAC be pursuing? Who are the Senators and Congressman sponsoring your bill? Where is a copy of this bill? -
I'll try to simplify
MY CAUSE... I am starting a TRUE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT! I ADDED ALL BAILOUT MONEY 2GETHER AND DIVIDED IT BY THE U.S.A. POPULATION
EVERY SINGLE U.S.A. CITIZEN COULD HAVE HAD A CHECK FOR 6,000 $$$$
THAT IS MY MISSION... I am working with senators and local politicians to get the movement started. It has to be TRUE GRASS ROOTS,WE THE PEOPLE!! not nike,fox news,sponsored movement a true word of mouth GET UR ASS UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS WASTEFUL TAX SPENDING MOVEMENT!!!!
#2 UNDERLYING MISSION
SHUTTERCRAFT AKA Mike Wilbone is hicking the AMERICA DISCOVERY TRAIL he has been sponsored by some pretty big co. HE AT THE END OF HIS HIKE WILL MEET ME HOLLYtheHOUSEWIFE in WASHINTON D.C. WE TOGETHER ARE TRYING TO LAUNCH A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF IMMEDIATE HELP on their MORT.
That is what I have been working with mrs. KRISTY @ MAYOR DAVIS'S OFFICE ON!! SHE IS HELPING ME SET UP A SYSTEM!!
DON'T BELIEVE ME CALL HER!
#3 I NEVER ASKED FOR MONEY FROM BLOG CATALOG... I HAVE SPONSORS THAT ARE HELPING ME WITH MY PRINTING,DECALS,AND I'M FIXING TO DO BAIL U.S. OUT T-SHIRTS.... ALL OF THAT COSTS MONEY AND LOCAL BUSINESS AROUND HERE ARE HELPING ME...
DON'T BELIEVE ME GO TO MY SITE AND SEE FOR UR SELF
bailusout.ning.com-
The one # you provided me with for the Mayor is different from the actual official site.
I called the official site and said you had given the Mayor's name and number as a reference to your cause.
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None of this adds up to a charter or business plan.
Even grass roots movements have to have structure, business plans, oversight, and transparency. You can't take money for a cause, call yourself a non-profit and just expect people to take your word for it.
And Shuttercraft is a 17 year old kid that I believe you are taking advantage of.
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MRS KRISTY SAID TO ME AND I QUOTE
"I am not helping her with anything!"
"We are not backing her!"
"She is a sweet woman who seems to want to do good, had a meeting with the Mayor and we gave her contact #s she wanted."
I asked her if I should donate my money and her reply? a resounding "NO, NO I wouldn't do it"
I have no need to lie or make this up, if you need to talk to me on the phone holly, leave your number, i'll call you, record it all and post it online for everyone to hear"-
The person I spoke to hadn't heard of her at all. But according to the person you talked to, the mayor isn't backing the cause. So providing his # is pretty meaningless, seeing as they said they wouldn't give Holly ## and the mayor wasn't backing her.
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YES CALL ME LOLITA,,,Ms. christy isn't in her office I just called her cell phone and she said she didn't speak to u
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ALL OF THE NUMBERS I GAVE ARE PUBLIC NUMBERS...MAYOR GREGG DAVIS...CITY OF SOUTHAVEN...662-280-2489 MELINDA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT CALLLLLL
Now I'm not fixing to let 2 or 3 people tear me down!!!! I'm HOLLYtheHOUSEWIFE DAMMIT!!!!!! and I can't wait to say haha I told u so
and for the people here "trying to bust me out" I AINT GOIN NO WHERE-
Apparently, Lolita talked to someone who HAD heard of you and they said the mayor wasn't backing your cause, and couldn't verify the legitimacy of your cause. So what is the purpose in posting the #'s for people to call when they can't verify you?
Posting a bunch of public numbers is meaningless. This does not verify the legitimacy of your cause.
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U DIDN'T CALL, i JUST CALLED UP THERE
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I most certainly did.
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ask her if a lady called her at 11:28. THAT would be me!!!!!!
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Why would Melinda lie about something she has no stake in other than exposing you for the fraud that you are.
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IT IS COURT DAY TODAY.... IT GOES STRAIGHT TO VOICEMAIL...DUHHHHHH
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The # I called did not go to voicemail and neither did the # Lolita called.
Lolita talked to someone else who said she knew of you but that they didn't back you. Is she lying too?
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She better not call me a liar!!!!! cuz i ain't taking nobody's sh*t!!!
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It seems to me that the politicians referenced here can't win--either their names are being used without their knowledge or consent OR they are truly associated with the ranting and screaming that's going on in this forum...either way, it reflects badly, through no fault of their own.
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I'm sure those politicians would be apalled to know about this, too.
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not to worry, i told them
i told them EXACTLY where to find their names. After the woman said that THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE KNOWS WHO HOLLY IS IS BECAUSE SHE'D HAD A MEETING WITH THE MAYOR (anyone in the US can do that) I ASKED HER IF SHE WAS MRS KRISTY AND SHE SAID YES. SHE WAS APPALLED THAT HER NAME WAS BEING PARADED ONLINE, THIS WAY!!!!!
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whatever u will see.....
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You have given me a good idea, Holly--by posting those numbers. I am reporting your 'cause' to your state's attorney general. I think he has a right to know about your methods of soliciting money for a charitable cause without having the legal channels properly worked out.
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We certainly will see. You have been exposed on this thread, Holly. Your programme has no coherence whatsoever - just saying "I want $6000" is not sufficient - you haven't said where the money comes from, who pays for it (there is no such thing as a free lunch), what effect it will have. There are bigger, better, much worthier organisations talking about the same subjects, I've listed two, namely the Cato Institute and the National Taxpayers Union - there is absolutely nothing you're doing that they are not already and much better, all you have is a "give me money" demand.
Furthermore, you've lured a 17 year old boy into taking a long and perhaps dangerous walk across the country: have you no guilt whatosever, are you not concerned about his safety, don't you have the basic decency to care about his fate? Well considering your lack of an apology to Melinda, perhaps we know the answer to that question. -
Melinda, that's BRILLIANT!
They'll ask all the questions I did and then some!
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I just called Kristi Faulkner at the Mayor Greg Davis office in Southaven and she has asked that you remove her contact information from this site. She said the mayor's office has no affiliation with you at all outside of giving you a few contact numbers.
www.southaven.org/page.cfm?pid=13&sid=12
Lolita most certainly did call and I can verify that Kristi confirmed her conversation with her.
Melinda called the City Hall general number rather than the Mayor's office directly, which is in line with everything she has said on this thread.
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thank you!!!! I didn't even give my name and she confirmed my call. Now call me a liar?!!
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Ditto! I called too, all the way from Canada.
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Why did Holly feel the need to post that she received the money in the first place? Does she do this with every donation?
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thank you or if she wants to show off her "prize" then she SHOULD say that she asked for it and it wasn't an out of the blue thing from Angie and Tony because to me, that makes a difference. Had people realized that she ASKED before receiving, people wouldn't have taken it the way they did.
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Worse, this is being publicised as a gift from BC as an organisation. This is definitely not the case.
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I just got off the phone with ms. christy again...she said by state law they can't be affiliated,but personally I HAVE A GOOD CAUSE THEY have given me tons of contacts they can't we are a municipality..I never asked them for money..I'm not asking anyone for money!!!!!!
I'll go take my button down and if anyone wants to donate call me-
yes u r asking for money "if anyone wants to donate, call me" i don't care if you are asking $ you have the right and should since you obviously can and do. BUT don't be a hypocrite about it. BE honest about it, say hey" I want $$ and I am asking for $$. It might go to others or me but if you can give me $$. The homeless do it to me EVERYDAY and guess what, i give!
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BS, Holly. Do you want me to post the email I received from you in which you DIRECTLY requested a contribution? I believe I even sent it to Greencurmudgeon, I was so dismayed by your 'cause.'
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Here is the first set of questions...when you have answered them, I may have questions about your answers:
1) What is the purpose? Who/what is being bailed out? And out of what?
2) How much money is needed for this bail out?
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I wonder if perhaps this is a case of placation as opposed to an outright lie or scam. I have not heard back yet but it is seeming to be the case by those who have
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I wonder if perhaps this is a case of placation as opposed to an outright lie or scam. I have not heard back yet but it is seeming to be the case by those who have
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May I suggest this to give you guidance in setting up a legitimate non-profit organization?
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This is not a thread asking for donations. It is a thread of thanks for a kind gesture. I find it insulting to the person who made the donation to be put on the spot publicly because what is for a few quite obviously a personal vendetta. No doubt, it is a question of faith to support a fledgling cause. When this project did come up on BC, I was quick to say I would not champion it, not because of the people behind it, but because it was not dealing with the central issues I could be interested in.
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Nonsense. This is an issue of community importance, namely, what kind of community do we want to be - do we want to be a community that allows people who perpetuate vile death wishes and puts forwards causes of dubious repute to flourish? Or will we stand up and say "No!"
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this was a PERSONAL donation and has nothing to do with the community...the community just flipped out because they hate holly for various reasons
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@ Harvey & CA: I could not agree more
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Wrong. So long as she continues to inflict her presence on here and use BC's good name to her purposes, it is BC's issue.
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I think you are totally wrong and I am going to keep it at that.
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It really is just another version of what appears to be going on with the politicians, isn't it? Get a little bit of support in some way or other and then make a claim of involvement that goes far beyond what's actually happened to try to buy some credibility?
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As a new arrival with 2 banned fans (defamers) and no history at all when it comes to Holly's past behaviors here at BC, it's interesting to see how eager you are to volunteer your opinions over and over again, while singing your little whiny bring 'em back chant.
Your opinion is now known and you have a right to state it but continuing your little interjections could be seen as provocative and inflammatory behavior Please reconsider it.
I think greencurmudgeon is 100% correct and I have copies of everything that was removed from threads as well as the hateful, threatening and harassing comments made to my blog and the three defamatory published posts on Holly's blog. -
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Excuse me--but I am happy to post the spam email that Holly sent to me in which she explicitly asked for a donation for her 'cause.'
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lol @ cookingasshole. My D. is like that too. he keeps copies of EVERYTHING and it has saved us many, many times!!!
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no...I legitimately feel that you bully me...repeatedly and constantly
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I'm a paralegal. I work for both Canadian and American attorneys under contracts. When I saw seeming violations of the laws of either country and of both countries I started to document. That's what I did here. -
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again with the personal attacks...your feeble attempts to drive me away will not work.
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I don't want you to leave BC. I simply want you to stop thread jacking and making false accusations.
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you made it about me...
"As a new arrival with 2 banned fans (defamers) and no history at all when it comes to Holly's past behaviors here at BC, it's interesting to see how eager you are to volunteer your opinions over and over again, while singing your little whiny bring 'em back chant." -
- Thank you for stating what I said that you took offense to. That was a statement of opinion based on observation. You are new. Your freinds were banned for defamation. You lack the history of Holly's previous behaviors here. You did interject by making two off-topic bring 'em back comments into two different threads (this one & the reinstate Epicarus one). However, even though I have a right to state my opinion, I will happily withdraw the opinion/observation, and apologize for stating in an unkind way what seems to be the truth to me. Will that suffice?
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Well .. if I was CookingAsshole I would be just as peeved as (I presume) Epicharis got yesterday .. when another BC Member says..
"I simply want you to stop thread jacking"
That's soooooooooo annoying. And hypocritical. And Childish.
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sv nobody has to donate anything done fanitoooo!!!!
I have gotten a few services like my flyers were donated,but I just ran out and that is what I used for my new flyers,now I have raised about 600.00 and I bought a camera for my VLOG...which I can't figure out how to work... I bought a commercial grade printer,because I want to do BAIL U.S.OUT! t-shirts.... I am creating my GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT!!!PERIOD END OF STORY!! NONE OF YALL HAVE TO DONATE A DAYUM THING!!! I DON'T WANT U TO!-
That's not a grass roots movement. That is a few t-shirts and a few flyers. You don't even have a coherent ideological programme, no costings, nothing. If I were a researcher at the Cato Institute or the National Taxpayers Union, I'd be a touch irritated with you...for a moment...then smile at the fact that you're unlikely to get anywhere. You're not a think tank, movement, organisation, political party, you're not even a Girl Scout Troop. Stop fooling yourself and wasting everyone else's time with this nonsense.
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You still have not answered the first and most important question: What is the purpose? Who/what is being bailed out? And out of what?
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THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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That's not even a full sentence. Try again.
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U TAKE ALL OF THE BAIL OUT MONEY AND DIVIDE IT BY 300,MILLION PEOPLE WE ALL COULD'VE HAD 6,000$ THAT WOULD BAIL THE USA OUT THAT WOULD STIMULATE THE ECONOMY GET FREIGHT MOVING,AND GET PEOPLE SPENDING!!!!
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The bailout money under TARP has already been spent. The stimulus money has already been allocated and already 10% has been spent. You putting everything in capital letters does not obscure the fact that you're basically asking for something that cannot literally happen as the money you want is already gone.
You are not helping your case.
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YA KNOW WHAT HOLLYtheHOUSEWIFE IS GOING TO WASHINTON FREAKIN D.C. NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have you accepted that they have security guards and metal detectors at Capitol Hill yet? You can't just "walk in".
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I would seriously reconsider. You do far more harm than good with your rants. No one can really even take you seriously, Holly.
Also, you ARE asking for money. You sent ME an email (which I could hardly believe that you could think that was a wise idea) asking for a contribution for your cause.
Don't worry--I am going to force you to legitimize yourself so you cannot take advantage of 17 year olds like Shuttercraft. I am planning to write your state's attorney general a nice long letter. I'll be sure to update everyone with what he says.
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WANNA MAKE A BET
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You have not addressed my points:
1. You ARE asking for money. You sent ME an email (which I could hardly believe that you could think that was a wise idea) asking for a contribution for your cause.
2. I am going to force you to legitimize yourself so you cannot take advantage of 17 year olds like Shuttercraft. I am planning to write your state's attorney general a nice long letter. I'll be sure to update everyone with what he says. -
Fine, when you end up in jail for trying to go "walkabout" in Capitol Hill, there will be a number of people who will be seriously amused.
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Oh dear, Holly. Have we reached the point in the day that you're going to resort to saying "HOLLA" as a debating point? Already?
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"walkabout" made me lol!!
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Much of the quality of what is being said by our esteemed colleague reminds me of something the Roman poet Nicharus once said: "You should have a sign saying which is your mouth, which is your rectum, for when you spoke just now, I thought you farted."
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oh god, lol!!!!!!!!! I am going to tweet this right now. hold my purse please!!!
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"The riddle we'll never solve is how to get along." "Ah Bartleby, ah humanity!"
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@Hollythe Housewife
You've still not stated, in terms that ANYONE can understand, what exactly your "CAUSE" is.
It's not stated in your blog that I can see.
It's not stated in your NING site that I can see.
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WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE U BEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I HAVE BEEN BLOWIN UR PHONE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Holly--how did that answer Hatingtherain's question to you.
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Thank you, HTR...I'm wondering the same. And she hasn't answered my questions, either.
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nope, drama provides material for my fish head marionettes.
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Well, SC--Sometimes it is necessary to stir things up a little. When you have a 'cause' that is illigitimate and seeking donations from hardworking Americans--well, to my way of thinking, it is important to expose the truth about fraudulant charitable organizations (using that last word loosely, in this case).
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THAT WAS MEANT FOR MIKE
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Please fill in the blanks
(1) My cause is: ___________
(2) My goal is: ____________
(3) I have received donated money for: ____________
(4) I have spent the donated money on: ____________
(5) I have not created a non-profit society for my cause because: ________________
(6) I have not made my financial donors aware of the fact that I do not have a non-profit society and cannot issue tax deductible receipts on my blog or my ning site because: ___________ -
@TT this is too simple for holly to understand i am afraid...
I will do mine to give her an example:
(1) My cause is: ___________My once dwindling sex life
(2) My goal is: ____________to have more, better sex
(3) I have received donated money for: ____________Nothing, I don't beg unless to get spanked.
(4) I have spent the donated money on: ____________refer to question3
(5) I have not created a non-profit society for my cause because: ________________I don't need one.
(6) I have not made my financial donors aware of the fact that I do not have a non-profit society and cannot issue tax deductible receipts on my blog or my ning site because: ___________No one's donated, but you are all very welcomed to do so -
LOL@Lolita! Your responses made me giggle and I needed that today!
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thanx making others laugh makes me happy
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MS RAINY:
I did explain my cause above!!!!! HERE WE GO I'LL DO IT AGAIN!!!!-
You DID NOT EXPLAIN YOUR CAUSE.
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Let's do some calculations on this, shall we?
According to the CIA World Factbook, as we see here:
www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
The population of the United States is 307,212,123.
Now 307,212,123 * 6000 is: $1,843,272,738,000. Or, $1.8 Trillion. This is more than double the stimulus package, and more than double TARP, which has been already spent. Put TARP and the stimulus together, it's more than both combined.
Now we come back to the fraught question: who has $1.8 trillion?
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Holly, did you want to stir up trouble for BC and admin by posting all of this? I understand your excitement over receiving a donation - for whatever cause even a personal favor - however posting that someone had donated to you, on their forum, without their permission does seem a bit.....unethical as it were.
Usually when one receives donations, and wants to use the name as support for more fundraising, you need permission first so you don't stir up this kind of shit-storm.
The same goes for any support received from politicians and businesses. You have to get their permission before publicly stating that they're on board.
By not doing that you really put businesses, organizations, and politicians in a tough spot if they have not actually provided the support that you are claiming they gave you. -
Let's take a poll:
(This is for everyone)
Do you understand what Holly's cause is?
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@Anok--I think she wants a personal bailout from contributors for her family, personally. I doubt she has a budget or business plan worked out. I'd love to see it if she does.
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@HTR
- My answer is "no" I do not understand what her cause is and what she aims to accomplish. I do not understand what the money is for and why a non-profit society was not created so that tax refundable receipts could be issued. I do not understand why that fact has not been posted on her blog or her ning site, so her financial donors are aware that tax refundable receipts cannot be issued for this vague and as yet undefined cause. That is why I have asked her to answer my fill in the blanks questions above.
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nope, but at this point, i see her making stuff up as she goes and i don't care what her "cause" is. Actually, I take this back. her cause is her pocket!!! HOLLY WANTS TO BAIL HERSELF OUT WITH MONEY FROM ANYONE WITH A PAYPAL ACCOUNT.
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Completely agree.
It's disgusting how she's taking advantage of well-meaning people for personal gain.
DISGUSTING.
Holly, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Get a fucking Job.
EDIT: yes i realize this will be probably deleted and I could get banned or suspended.
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I felt silly because I could not understand it!
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You do want someone's money, because you're demanding $6000 from the government. The government does not get its money from the magic money pixies, who distribute the cash with the morning dew.
And as for having a nervous breakdown, if you can't handle some intense questions online, imagine what would happen if you actually faced some politicians, or indeed, the press. -
um excuse u what? That money that went to saxon mortgage came directly from my hubby's paycheck!!!!
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You personally emailed me requesting a contribution from your 'cause.' You emailed many people, I am sure.
Are you denying you are asking for charitable contributions for your 'cause.' (using that word VERY loosely).
And why should we want to call you? What purpose does that serve?
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WOW you're getting donations for this??? And I'm having trouble collecting $$$ for a homeless, handicapped, 3rd world country resident. Hmmmmmmm.
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IT'LL BE ON MY NING SITE!!!
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You're rambling and incoherent. Try again.
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What purpose does calling you serve? How does that legitimize your trying to rip off hard working Americans without having the legal channels of your 'cause' properly worked out?
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the only little person here is you referring to insults and name calling when you can't hold up to your plastic guns?
all is happening here is that the BC community is holding up a mirror to you and what you see don't please you. but get this straight holly, it is your reflection and it ain't pretty. it sure damned isn't pretty!!
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whateverrrrrrrr see ya in a few,and green boy this doesn't concern u you're not even a citizen so why are u here.... maybe u need to head back to the castle or sumthin
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He's an American citizen, Holly. His parents are U.S. citizens and he was born on American soil.
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Ah, but I am a citizen of the United States, and I pay US taxes, even though I live abroad.
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wahahahaha, hahahhahaha. OWNED~~~!!!!
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I'm not entirely sure what good giving Holly money will do, other than fatten her budget and give her higher opportunity costs to consider when making decisions.
This was most likely an out-of-pocket, personal expenditure of Angie's and Tony's. I don't feel like reading 200+ posts to see if that has been determined or not.
What I don't understand is why they chose to donate to her "cause" rather than any of the millions of more legitimate charities out there. For instance:
www.nationalcac.org
Or any of the ones listed here:
www.charitynavigator.org
I also do not understand what Holly claims she will be using the money for. Her explanations have been unintelligible at best, inconsistent at worst. Her claims to not coincide with the relevant civil laws, as MadameX has been quick to point out, and her actions probably cause more harm than good both to herself and to the people she has business dealings with.
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That was precisely my original point when I stated I was astounded. There are SO many great causes out there--legitimate ones. To give money to this 'cause' seemed incredible to me.
My primary concern was that Holly tooting her horn about how BC had donated to her cause, legitimized it--which was extremely misleading for a foundation that has absolutely no legal aspects worked out. None at all that Holly can provide.
And yet, she IS requesting donations from people who are strangers (me). She even sent me an email--which gives you an idea of how little real thought Holly has put into this. Asking someone who you told you hoped would die of AIDS for money -- well, that's just silly. -
don't blame angie and tony SHE ASKED THEM FOR MONEY!!!! THEY GAVE BECAUSE SHE IS A MEMBER OF OUR, THEIR COMMUNITY AND SHE ASKED!!!!
HOLLY ASKED FOR THE MONEY ANGIE GAVE HER!!!
HOLLY ASKED FOR THE MONEY ANGIE GAVE HER!!!
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So what would happen if everyone began asking them for money? I mean everyone, too.
That would be the end result of unrestrained charity by an individual. They would be bled dry and then someone would steal the very skin off their bones. -
It's a great thing most of us would rather sacrifice and work harder than to pull out a palm. we are all struggling somehow but most WORK to get out of our struggles. I would rather donate to Cathy and Rory than Holly!!!
I don't blame Angie for giving $$ to holly because it just shows that she has a great heart. but holly spun it into "bc" gave her $$ and didn't mention that she ASKED to be given $$.
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Holly, you're not on trial here. You don't have to answer any of these questions or justify yourself. People have every right to question the viability of your cause and to inquire into its legitimacy. These things they can do privately without interrogating you in this forum. You began this thread as a gesture of gratitude to Angie and it has turned into a non-stop attack on your intentions and your person. My suggestion to you is to withdraw from this discussion.
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So long as she uses this forum as a basis to publicise her cause, we have absolutely every right to question her on it. The moment she doesn't do that, then the questions will cease as it will no longer be a community concern.
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Nothingprofound, may I ask where you get your inside information on Holly's motivation for beginning this thread?
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Madame X: It's not a question of inside information or knowing Holly's motivations. I don't presume to know anybody's motivations. It's what's clearly written in the OP.
"So I'm starting this thread just to say THX!!! And for people to tell them how much we love BLOG CATALOG!!! -
hey, go be profound somewhere else
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* sitting here wondering how many comments will be deleted, how many people will be suspended and how much longer until this thread gets locked like the others.
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r u calling for this thread to be locked because that would be unfair. shit needs to be said and it needs to be said here and now. locking this thread will be seen by many as an abuse of power!
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I haven't personally attacked anyone or called anyone any names. I haven't seen that happen here.
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Holly's threads never get locked. That way, she can continue to bump them long after her critics have been censored.
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@ Lolita
"r u calling for this thread to be locked because that would be unfair. shit needs to be said and it needs to be said here and now. locking this thread will be seen by many as an abuse of power!"
I am making a guess based on the sheer number of tos violations. It may be an abuse of power but yeah it deserves to be locked. This entire thing is one insult, personal attack and member bashing thread if I have ever seen one. There are several things said here that border on the new harrassment laws, in addition to it being a blatant disregard to BC guidelines -
@Endlessly
Come off it. Nothing that has been said here is in any way comparable to the abuse that Holly has dished out, which the esteemed timethief has been kind enough to keep on record.
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I could care less about frightening anyone with anything. It was a statement. I can only hope that if this thread stands, those who shout box privately with support will stand up and join in. Hopefully no one ever bullys you the way you seem to get off in doing to her. what if she is mentally ill and kills herself? what if she is slow? You don't know, you have no idea who she is. You just pick and pick and pick. You do realize that the type of mentality displayed here has caused school shootings and people to go off in office buildings? Cruelty is never excusable. I hope she is normal enough not to go off one day, if she is a damaged as everyone seems to imply, why would you wind her up and try to set her off? Who do you think it will be taken out on?
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@Endlessly
Excuse me? I'm not the person who:
1. Harasses other posters by saying they hope they die of AIDS
2. Saturation bombs the site with requests for money and support for an ill-defined cause.
3. Persists in the same when very basic facts are pointed out.
If harassment and bullying are your concern, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror. Holly is not some untouchable saint who is beyond question or criticism. I'm sorry that if you feel that you and she are such special snowflakes in that this should apply to you, but sadly, life isn't like that. -
[if she is a damaged as everyone seems to imply, why would you wind her up and try to set her off?]
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Endless - it may be a baptism by fire, but if she can't articulate what it is that she's doing then what will happen in real life is going to be far worse than anything that has been said in here.
How do you think she will do if she gets sued for making claims that aren't true, or gets nailed for being a con-job? She can't tell people what she's trying to do, can't defend herself verbally - if she gets taken to court over donations and allegations, regardless of the truth or not, she will be eaten alive.
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The mirror? Don't you ever fucking compare me to her. We are totally different. I am sorry that you think you are so much better than me simply because I disagree with you, it's kind of sad that you feel so strongly about people you don't even know. Don't dare mistake my feeble attempts a peacekeeping as some sort of identification with or idolization of her. If people were bashing any other member this way, I would defend them too.
@Anok- I understand that, you know how much I have tried to help her with that, but thetwo things that are messing up my day are 1. being compared to her and 2. the sheer level of of cruelty that is allowed. Any other member, and all of these posts would have been removed. There is a difference between calling someone out and enjoying beating them down
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Look, you might think it's excessive, but Holly has directly caused every ounce of criticism herself. It doesn't help that the admin censors any objections to Holly's behavior, either.
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@ESS--what is so cruel? We ask her questions about her cause. She hasn't answered. If she doesn't have it legally worked out, she can end all of this by admitting it, posting something on her blog/ning that her donations will all be returned.
She's likely to run into serious legal trouble. Particularly after the attorney general of her state gets my detailed letter, accounting her statements (with screen shots, mind you) and copies of the solicitation email I received from Holly herself asking me for money.
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Endless, why won't she just answer the straight forward (non attack) questions about this?
I know you have been trying to help her in other areas - and I'm guessing this is important to her. Why won't she just answer? it should only take 2 or 3 sentences.
I am raising money for________
I need to raise ______ much money
I just don't get it
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@ Anok, I have no clue why she continues to do the things she does, but I do take it personally due to the countless hours I have spent working on nettiquette, proper forum behavior, etc with her. She does genuinly believe in her cause. She is just so very rough around the edges that she shoots herself in the foot. Therein lies my fraustration.
Instead of looking at the phone calls as "Oh look it's a scam" why not try "hmm well the fact that they knew who she was and that she really did go and meet, maybe she is trying to do something but does not know how"?
From what I have gathered she wants to start a fund to help out families facing foreclosure while simultaneously using the working man to grab attention of local government and ultimately federal government to focus more on our citizens than on big business. I could be wrong, but that is what I gathered.
My issue here is not the calling her out, it is more the statemnts that are mean and have no purpose other than to hurt. Scam comments are fine, past transgressions are fine, but insults on intelligence, class, parenting, etc. What do those things have to do with a donation or gift? Nothing. Those are what fall into personal attack territory imho. Does that make more sense? -
@ESS--I agree that insults about her race, upbringing, class, etc--I don't condone that and I don't think you have seen me resort to that at all in this thread.
Since you seem genuinely her friend, I strongly suggest you tell Holly (before she gets in REAL legal trouble) that she needs to post an announcment on her ning site and on her blog, stating that she was a little early on taking donations until the legal workings of her cause had been completed. She then needs to return those donations to people until she does have the legal wrangling worked out.
I am in the process of starting a non-profit. It's a lot of work. I had a reader, a few months ago, upon first hearing of my desire to launch my foundation, offered me a donation of 20,000.00. I am not kidding. But, of course, I didn't take this money--because the Melindaville Foundation is not yet set up.
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@Melinda
You have been very even tempered all things considered. Good luck with your non profit, I have one myself so I know all of the head aches involved there. I am going to be speaking with Holly and help her to come up with a plan and go over some of the specifics involved here. Hopefully, in time she will go on to do some real good and this community can move forward and take a sense of pride in their tough love of her and she will be able to redeem herself.
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@ESS--thank you sincerely--and I may very well take you up on that. I am only in the beginning of the process--and you are right--there's a lot of red tape involved.
But that's actually a good thing. I know I want people to feel really secure in giving my foundation money. (although it is a headache setting it up!). -
Endless, I also agree with Melinda - she really should slow down, get some legal advice on how to set this up without getting arrested.
There are legalities, paperwork, permissions for endorsements - the calls that her local officials just received at her prompting may have even lost what little support of her cause they may have had.
I'm not lying when I say that way back when she asked me to call the mortgage company they had never heard of her. Yet she's spilling their name all over the internet with information that they claim does not exist. That's cause for serious trouble! Same goes for politicians and organizations and donors.
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@ Melinda- No problem... I do not miss the days or expenses involved in the set up one bit
@ Anok- Understood. I think at this point she should offer those who donated 2 options 1. a refund or 2. to label it as an investment or start up contribution. One can take money and use it for flyers and such so long as it is labeled correctly. I will be trying to make some time to go over the specifics with her a little later on.
I also think it would be in her best interest to clarify the involvement other the listed phone numbers, instead of saying "they support" or are "helping", a simple "I have been in touch with ___________ and they were kind enough to provide me with some additional contacts" would solve any potential legal snafoos. The one good thing that has come out of this thread is that based on the feedback, Holly now knows the following:
What types of specifics to put in her mission statement.
To put on the brakes and get her ducks in a row.
A lesson in PR.
To come up with one focus as opposed to a broad mission statement.
She has been saved from any legal issues as she has not technically broken any laws yet, that she may have otherwise crossed.
If this thread is still going to stand (which still surprises me), then at least that little bit of good has come of it.
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at nothing that is exactly what I'm doing..... THANK U SOOO MUCH!!! I will have my vlog up in a while!!!!! I'm gonna go get ready now
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Now play nice kids. Holly is a good person if you get to know her. I can say she is a good mother and a good person. When she gets mad she gets mad... She means good with her cause, she just needs professional guidance on how to start a nonprofit.
Holly, if you watch what you say and and not get so take things so personally there would not be problems. People are ASSES on the internet. It is a place to be anonymous and say what you want.
Holly has a few problems, I have had a good friendship with her in the past and she is a good person.
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You seem very level-headed and sincere; I don't doubt that your personal experiences with Holly have been different from what she presents here. In some areas, though, a single piece of information is all you need to know to make a clear determination. For me (and many others here, I think), the fact that Holly told us that she was proud of having defrauded her first mortgage company as means of getting what she wanted is enough to be sure that she's not someone I would ever want handling money meant to benefit others.
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Funny. She didn't seem all that warm and nice to me when she emailed me calling me a lot of foul names and told me that she hoped I would die of AIDS.
Seeing as I have had 25 friends in my lifetime who have died of AIDS, I took that really personally.
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[Holly is a good person if you get to know her.]
Therein lies the problem. How can we get to know her when her overzealous irrationality, her hair trigger for jumping to conclusions, her constant outflow of vitriolic bullshit, her addiction to stirring the pot, and her inability to walk away from an argument all get in the way of letting anyone know how much of a "good" person she is?
I don't doubt that she has good intentions in her personal life, or that she does at least a mediocre job of raising her children. Her intentions may be as pure as quartz, but her ideas are primitive and emotive, and she refuses to internalize any criticism-- constructive or otherwise. The end result is a blatant stubbornness and overly defensive nature that the most politely worded requests cannot penetrate. Even worse is when she refuses to change when her modus operandi consistently doesn't produce the results she wants.
In short, even if you are right about Holly, the majority of BC will never have the chance to know it.
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@ voodookobra bravo, bravo, bravo. Holly needs to copy, paste and print what you just posted. she needs to read it like her bible. get something from it and change!!!
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Holly is not on trial here and nor should she be. All these comments about Holly's character are completely out of order. I would say this about any one of us who was being spoken about in this loose and wanton manner. This is starting to sound like a witch hunt.
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This isn't an isolated incident, NP. Holly has been causing problems for months.
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/angies-question-5-previously-on-one-of-my...
Here's an example of one of her many unprovoked attacks. Here, she is putting words in my and sati's mouths. For no goddamn reason, either. That's only the most recent example that I witnessed. There have been others, and probably many more than I am aware of. -
@NP
You will note the following:
1. Holly has not provided any coherent answers as to what her site stands for, its principles and what it intends to do. Note above calculations - if we do as she wants, the price tag is $1.8 trillion. She has not thought this through, but persists in acting like she does.
2. She has a history of abusive behaviour on this site. For which she has continued to refuse to apologise.
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There's nothing wrong with openly calling someone out for their manipulative behavior, or demanding an explanation of why they are openly asking people for money for a political cause, which is in fact a personal agenda.
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I shall add, I did not follow the previous drama chapter, nor do I know much about Holly. I do remember when she came back on the BC forum most everyone agreed to let bygones be bygones, starting with Holly. But what I see here is people digging up "old dirt", thus reneging on their word. -
- hatingtherain said: There's nothing wrong with openly calling someone out for their manipulative behavior, or demanding an explanation of why they are openly asking people for money for a political cause, which is in fact a personal agenda.
I agree with you. IMHO this thread would probably come to an end if Holly would answer the questions posed.
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I'm pretty sure that living in North America.....we should just count our blessings.
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I'm pretty sure you're right.
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i swear to you Jam you don't even know how right you are. just having a roof over your head, not waking up to gunshots and seeing your own flesh and blood blown up to pieces or having to walk miles to get to school, spend the day hungry and go to bed hungry!!!
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Xanax does sound lovely.
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GC&VK: Okay, maybe people need to vent, and that's what this thread has become. Some of you apparently have strong reasons for objecting to Holly's input in these forums. I guess that's something you'll have to settle with admin. I do think people are going overboard with their accusations, but apparently there's a lot of hostility and not completely unjustified. All in all, I don't see what you have to gain by all this, but that's just my opinion.
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I'm hoping to convince admin to stop being biased.
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Because IT IS WRONG to manipulte unsuspecting people for money and personal gain. Which is what I seriously think Holly is doing.
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VK...that's an admirable goal. Let me know how I can help.
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Does a human being exist who has zero bias? Perhaps bias is defined by some as anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.
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Not putting my two cents in just banging my head. No, I'm lying. This thread should have never made it to the boards. It's almost like a certain someone is rubbing it in or something.-
@Shiley, what would the alternative be?
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Me, personally, I would remove this thread. I have experienced some of the nuttiness mentioned above by the OP and I don't even offend people. I know how the others are feeling. This thread causes way too much animosity.
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If we remove the thread it will create even more animosity and uproar.
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So, I guess I'm the only sane one here at the moment.
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sane human, though I claim to be the sane dog
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I tend to agree with deleting but for different reasons. Every locked thread just comes back as a point of reference, if it is deleted it would give new members a chance to judge people for themselves instead of being constantly bombarded by events passed. I think in just locking them, it breeds animosity.
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@endlessly, you have to take things to another level that's some deep analysis of thread management and community psyche mixed in with now is the only thing we really are
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hehe would you expect any less from me
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I want to know why the hell holly's comment that are clearly offensive, have not been removed from this thread? I know they have been reported because I have reported them.-
I have reported several comments and they are still here, so one thing is certain, it is not biased
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because we have been instructed by our in house dogs to save this as a public record
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Holly's "cause" is Holly. Here it is in her own words:
THE CAUSE
#1 hubby truckdriver laid off last yr. high gas prices
#2 we closed on a house we thought we could afford,never saw him getting laid off coming!!!!!
#3 no income swallowed pride went to food stamp office!
#4 was told that hubby made 2222 much money month b4 to qualify
#5I stated to them we weren't hungry last month,but we are hungry today!!!!!
#6 piece of shit house plumbing COLLAPSED!!!!! DREAM HOME INSPECTION,STATE FARM INSURANC,and AMERICAN HOME SHEILD ALL HAD A CLAUSE IN CONTRACT to NOTT FIXX PLUMBING...... I SHELLED OUT 3,000$ FOR THEM TO DO SHIT!!!!!
#7 U KNOW WHAT i'M GONNA GO BUY ANOTHER DAMNN CAMERA THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK AND I WILL FINISH MY STORY!!!!BC U PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME HAVE A NERVOUS BREAK DOWN U SORRY SONS OF BITHCES!!! GIVE ME 3 OR 4 HRS.BC i'M GONNA PUT MY MAKEUP ON
This is Holly's cause, in Holly's own words. Not a peep about other people, not a peep about "grass roots," not a peep about helping anyone other than herself. It's all there in her own words.-
@holly, please stop swearing in here.
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And therein lies the real problem.
You couldn't imagine how shocked I was when I got an email solicitation from her for her 'cause.'
I would have let it go--but then when I saw this announcement, I was shocked and dismayed.
I have already drafted a letter to her state's attorney general and I am including copies of all of Holly's correspondence with me, along with screen shots from this particular thread.
Hopefully, someone will put a stop to this nonsense.
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Whew that took me a long time to read. Honestly, I understand all sides. It sounds like Holly is just not very informed (as to how to start a nonprofit) and she used the wrong choice of words (in regards to her 'cause'). I think Holly needs to apologize to people she has hurt in the past because holding onto grudges and hatred eats away at our souls.
I think Angie should be applauded for showing kindness and generousity to someone in need.
I think everyone needs to take a breath, walk away and just understand that everyone is human, everyone makes mistakes but the wisdom comes with learning from those mistakes.-
Sometimes kindness and generosity can be misplaced/misguided or manipulated.
So as much as I might applaud angie and her kindness, I don't support ignoring the very valid concerns others have brought up and why.
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sheesh. I go away for a few months to have a little nervous breakdown and come back to find all of this hoo-haa. I am desperately trying to get my healthcare provider to tell my employer that 1) I really am crazy and 2) I really can do my job if my employer would just make a few changes to my work assignment and duties. What I am asking for is only my rights under the ADA but it's like I have to battle the whole damned organization and it still seems possible that they will find a pretext to terminate me. I'm fighting for my life and all of you presumably mature adults are going on and on about this stuff.
Angie is a soft touch and I completely believe that she was approached and did not know the history and chose to donate Her money. It's her right. Tony has clearly stated that he wasn't aware of whom the money was going to and would have objected had he known. Give these two a break, please. I've known them for years and they are good people.
Holly does sound like a real case, and in reference to a suggestion, I have been agitating for an Ignore feature for Years now. Seems to me that at this point several people have forwarded information to an attorney general's office and if Holly is doing something wrong it will come back to haunt her. But honestly, people, don't you kind of see all this as a waste of energy?
Alan (wants to talk about Something Else)-
I have appreciated ignore buttons on other social sites in the past, but since we don't have one on this site I generally just choose never to read or open offending posters again. If they are on threads I read I just skip right over them.
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FWIW. I originally sent an email to Tony and Angie yesterday morning, telling them my concerns and my background with Holly. I never heard a word back from them.
They are completely within their rights to give money to anyone they want! But just the same, I am within my rights to rethink whether or not I want to fund an organization that supports a cause such as Holly's--one that I don't feel is a legitimate cause (primarily) but also from a person who has slandered me and hurt me in the past. That is certainly my choice.
I would have really loved to have gotten ANY KIND of explanation from Tony and Angie. They chose to not address my concerns at all. Had I known that Angie was unaware of the history AND that Tony was unaware that Angie even gave money to Holly, I would have taken a different approach and probably would not have asked that they remove my financial support from this community.
Communication is really a good idea. I tried to use communication in my original email to the two of them. But communication is a TWO-WAY street.
So, I got involved on this thread after seeing the concerns others raised too. I feel that Holly solicited money in an unethical way and that she should post an apology on her ning site and her blog, stating that she pulled the trigger early on asking for donations and to offer to return all monies to the respective parties until her foundation is set up as a legitimate organization.
I'm not at all sorry that her little scam has been exposed. Not sorry at all.
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@melinda, I received your email and saw your posts on here where you expressed your concerns. I thought it was best to communicate in the discussion area rather than a private email. My apologies if it came across as lack of communication. That wasn't the intent. Everyone's really busy and to keep up with the tons of emails related to this thread as well as what's going on here practically is a full time job.
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@Tony: Well, I had originally hoped (believe it or not) that our convo would be private--between you, Angie, and me. But then others started bringing up their concerns on this thread and I jumped in.
It's all good. I am actually very glad to know that you weren't aware it was Holly's cause--because that really worried me a lot. As I said in my original email to you.
And Tony--I understand Angie's big heart. God knows, I cannot walk down the street without giving about every bit of spare cash I have to various homeless people. I do it constantly. I have nothing against a big heart--my concerns were on the real legitimacy of this 'cause' and I am honestly not sorry this has been brought to light. I was truly shocked when I saw Holly's solicitation (to me, of all people) for money. Then when I visited her site and saw she had none of the legal procedures completed, I became very alarmed.
Then, seeing her announce with glee that BC was supporting her--well, as I originally stated--that astounded me. But I do understand what happened. I am no longer upset with you and Angie--I am still very wary of Holly and her 'cause' though. -
"Seems to me that at this point several people have forwarded information to an attorney general's office and if Holly is doing something wrong it will come back to haunt her. But honestly, people, don't you kind of see all this as a waste of energy?"
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@melindavilla, Im with you on the cause. I cannot tell what the cause is and have been through her website. I cannot tell whether there is real intent to deceive or more the result of cluttered confused thoughts.
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@Tony--I honestly cannot tell either. I hope it is not to deliberately deceive people; however, Holly would be well advised to not blow off the critique of the way she is going about doing this--people have raised valid points.
If she started this 'cause' with the jumbled thoughts and good intentions -- well that is one thing. We all have done things that probably weren't well thought out (God knows I have). But most of us, when presented with compelling evidence that what we are doing is *wrong* will re-evaluate our approach. If Holly doesn't do that--then she is acting with deceit.
It's not our mistakes that define us--it is how we rise up and amend our mistakes.
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I wish BC had more than one page per thread so I didn't have to go blind scrolling up and down.
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Nice to see that the same old feelings, frustrations and hatreds still hold predominant amongst veteran members. I am so glad I only log in here once a month. Lmao
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Thats funny You have recovered quite nicely. Did you go to a Bloggers Anonymous program?
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Hey Tony how are you?
The reason why you all don't see much of me is because my Eyewear business has really taken off and I am actually making money for a change. Business is good right now so I am afraid I will have to cut down on my online foolishness. hehehe -
@Jeunelle, that's great news to hear.
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YES praise the Lord for all his works and pomps ...It's A Miracle
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@melinda 'if I had been aware that Angie didn't know the backstory and Tony did not approve the contribution'
melinda you know i like and respect you but i learned those two facts just reading this thread and the other one. is there something I'm not seeing?-
umm..that's where she learned it too.
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@Alan--this was not posted for about 24 hours until the original thread appeared. I sent a private concern by email. It was hours later that all this subsequent information became known. When I emailed Angie and Tony, all I knew was that Angie had said it was a private donation, not a BC one. But I still had concerns about the legitimacy of the organization and also my private reservations. I feel I was within my right to rethink whether or not I wanted to financially support the BC community. And that is precisely what my original email to Tony and Angie was centered on.
If you haven't been here for the last few days, it is hard to reall ysee how this all developed.
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Ok so what we have here is peope 1. Jealous because someone got money from someone else. 2. Intoleration of said decision. (I do not tell you how to spend your money, who to give it too, or what causes to support) Personally I think it is no ones business where they gave there money. They decided as an Adult and a human being to give it to her. 3. name calling and imaturity. 4. downing someone for a personal decision.(like I said before we are adults and need to be more tolerant.) 5.everyone standing behind one person and forgetting others who have recently been banned. (Again you did not agree with their opinions and did not care at all) WE ALL NEED TO GROW UP AND LET PEOPLE BE PEOPLE and BE MORE TOLERANT OF OTHERS DECISIONS and WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DECIDED TO DO.-
I honestly don't think you understand the valid concerns that have been raised in this thread, Amy--I honestly do not.
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I don't think she does either.
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If you click this link
www.blogcatalog.com/account/donate
you arrive on the same page you will arrive on if you click the Donate to the Community ink in the sidebar of your BC Profile page. Then, if you wish, you can also become a BC community donor.
Some members who are community donors also got shoutbox requests and/or emails requesting donations from Holly to her ill-defined cause. Among them were members who had previously been defamed by her.
The rest of the details have been provided by Melinda. Tony has made it clear that if Angie would have known the backstory, and if he had known who the money was for, there would have been no donation made in response to Holly's request.
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Yes I do. Yall are upset because they decided to give someone money that yall think doesnt deserve it. If yall gave money to someone who wanted to fund a trip to the moon and said it was a a lie(a scamyo someone else but you gave them money any way then I would be ok with that. You are an adult and have every right to give to who you want. It is not your money and not your decision it is someone elses decision. I am sure the people in question are really smart adults and have read on the topic before giving money. Yall need to get over yourselves and quite the BS in here. Everything is not about you nor just your opinions. I have commented before that other people have opinions and they have a right to them. Yalls are not the only opinion.So everyone drop it and leave it all alone. They gave money they will not take it back and you telling the whole world what you think will not change anything. Their decision and actions have already been made and will not change.
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@Amy--sorry--but my opinion is that you are clueless if you really think that's what this thread is about.
People are free to give their money to whoever they want. And others (such as myself) are within their rights to consider no longer financially contributing to an organization, business, or cause that supports causes that you are diametrically opposed to (for whatever reason). I am a financial supporter of this community. I have every right to reconsider that financial support in the future, based on my *personal opinion* of the causes that the organization is contributing to. THAT is point #1
The much bigger issue here is the legality of this 'cause' (scam) that Holly the Hosewife is actively seeking from members of this community, myself included, without having the legal wranglings worked out. THAT is point #2. That she is deceiving people, either out of sheer ignorance or manipulation.
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It doesnt really matter if they knew or not they are adults and can give freeley to who they want to. Yall are just upset by it because you wouldnt have given to her. It was not your decision it was theres and they made it with out consulting you for your opinion. Drop it we are all tired of hearing about it. Again it it the only your opinion counts here and no one else game yall have been playing lately. It sucks and no one wants to be apart of it. Just the same people putting others down for diffrent opinions when will yall see this and stop.
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Ok I have read this discussion I got out of it that you think that they were wrong to give the money and you do not think Holly doesnt deserve the money because she has told everyone she was scamming people to get something better. I also read that you do not think that it was a good idea for them to give her money with out reading about it. I also get that they did not ask for certain peoples opinions before they gave the money. They did not start a discussion for people to give their opinion. That you think that holly is (Insert what words you want too). That it is bad that she did what she did. We all got it. It was not what you though should be happening and now we all know several times over that you think it is wrong. Again it was Angies decision and not yours. She gave freely and of her own choice. I am not stupid nor am I not stating what is not true. I did read this all day. It has been beaten to death and then some. It is an unrecognizable topic it has been beaten so much. Yall all have a problem of getting on one topic and beating it into the ground when you do not agreewith someone.
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No it hasnt it spoke the truth about what has been going on here lately. Go and look and you will see the discussions about contriviresal stuff certain people shout their opinions and put others down for having one that is diffrent from theirs. It has made it a very unplesent place on some discussions. It is the same here. Yall putt people down everyday in here and make them feel small because of the diffrence in opinion. It is over and over and over and over. If you are not in a certain click (sp) then your opinions are not valued and looke at as wrong.
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Amy, do you understand that asking for donations for a charity/non profit organization when your legal paperwork is not in order and/or you are using the money for yourself is illegal?
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and you have never fallen for a fraud before. They made a mistake and everyone does that they are human. People Fraud people everyday. And You can ask for donations with out doing paperwork. You just have to report it to the IRS. and if you do not then you get in trouble. And I can set up a non profit organization and make the thing getting money me. That happens all the time too. Around here it happens for people that can not pay thier hospital bills.
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Amy - Ah, right. It's just jealousy - oh, no, it's just fraud..so what? just fraud, people are just being conned out of money....oh, maybe she really is earnest, but she didn't get the legal paperwork done first so now she's in legal trouble - so what, right? No biggie....it's just a lawsuit....
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1. there is no spell check on here and I am so pissed right now it would not matter if I had one I would not use it. 2. You are no better than her again with your's is the only opinion that counts here. 3. What is done is done. 4. I am not making my self look foolish that is you at keeping up the flogging of this subject and keeping it on the top of the discussion board so she can get more press and make yall look like someone. Enough is enough DROP IT PLEASE. All of this is spelled correctly.
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I just want to applaud Angie for being a sweet person.
The rest... It isn't in my heart or my blood or makeup to be angry.
Do I think that Angie or Blog Catalog chose to donate to a CAUSE that was "special" over everyone else?
NO.
I think Angie had someone come to her with a beg - and because she's such a sweet person - she SHELLED out 25.00.
or whatever amount.
It could have been you - me - or that guy across the street...
It doesn't matter.
Angie chose to do something. And it was a kind, thoughtful gesture.
Our thoughts of what Holly's "venture" or "cause" is - absolutely does not matter.
I don't care if you put one dollar in a collection plate at a church. I don't care if you drop a dollar at the street musician's feet - or if you put it in the "little Timmy has cancer - donate to his family" jar on every store counter.
It's YOUR money.
The "advertising potential" for every website, including BC - is to have links and names, banners and more in multiple locations. Some of those spots are paid advertisement.
If Angie believed that a group of people might be viewing the website and the BC logo or more might be placed in a prominent position - she might have made a business judgement out of sweetness, as well.
There are many reasons for donating and all of those do NOT mean that you FAVOR someone.
I don't see this as a move of favoritism or not.
It is Angie's money to do as she sees fit.
A Non-Profit Grassroots movement truly does need to have many things done.
I do not see this site as being set up yet - and there is no professional guidance.
Whether I believe it is a scam or not - doesn't matter.
I don't think Angie donated a LARGE amount of money - but - IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS - since it came out of her OWN POCKET.
Yanno?
And if BC may have gotten something - like an honorable mention - just because Angie works/owns BC - well - nice.
I think showing Angie "proof" or documentation - instead of calling this all out in such a harsh spectacle would have been much nicer.
Instead - you have ALL told Angie that she's "AN IDIOT" for having a soft heart and believing in someone.
AND I KNOW YOU DIDN"T MEAN THAT.
I know that you only meant to try and expose something you felt was fraudulent - and you felt that IT was a KNOWN Fraud - and to have something you belong to - involved in something you felt was a fraud was abhorent.
But - let me tell you something - I truly do not believe for a moment that Angie knew all of the things that you all are talking about... And that she gave out of her heart.
Now... when another BC comes to Angie with a very legit cause - she will be tremendously wary...
and I think - the loss of that innocence was greater a loss - than the exposure that has been done.
I don't know if that makes sense guys.
But I kind of woe the loss of that kindness - over all of the commentary here.
Holly - if you have a legit cause - being upset with everyone here is not going to help you.
Sit down - and explain what your cause is - how it is going to help others - and what the plans are - and who is involved.
Everything - including bank accounts and receipts must be maintained and TRANSPARENT.
If you have a valid cause - I wish you luck.
If this is just to get money for yourself, well - I guess I should wish you luck with that as well.
Please though, Holly - try... try... to be kind to everyone.
And everyone else --- READ THIS... if nothing else: I don't doubt you have truth behind you. But please... Please - don't judge Angie harshly for her kindness.-
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As far as I can see and I've read this whole thread this just isn't so.
(1) Angie made it clear that she had no knowledge of the history.
(2) Tony has made it clear that if Angie would have known it, and if he had known who the money was for, there would have been no donation made in response to Holly's request.
(3) The questions that were asked of Holly are legitimate questions that ought to be put to anyone asking for donations for any "cause". (Holly's response to them is in this thread.)
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OK - I retract the possible meaning of Y'all.
I know that there are some serious things going on in this thread.
The possibility of fraud, etc.
And I hope you all (as in everyone here - from this point on) think of Angie as being a superb example of humanity in this instance - instead of someone who is dark and evil... Cause I just don't get that off of every contact I've had with her.
And I'm super glad you pointed out that most everyone Or many of everyone (grammar mess up on purpose - but how can you say that without sounding "dorky"?) do not feel that way... Cause I was feeling super bad... thinking that folks painted her in that light.
But thanks HTR for pointing that out.
I think Angie needs to hear it from everyone tho - cause I mean - how bad can she be feeling right now?
I know, if it were me, in her shoes...
After I had just done something that was supposed to be nice and a gesture of kindness - to have everyone angry at me...
I'd be wanting to crawl away into a dark hole and hide.
I would just feel awful.
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YES please don't say that we ALL told Angie that she is an idiot because I certainly did not.
I happen to like Angie and I fully agree that it is her own private decision to do what she wants with her money and further more I don't believe that Angie had anything else but good intentions when she decided to make a private donation to the cause of her choice. It is not my place to ridicule her as if she is a child. Angie is a grown adult capable of making her own decisions and I will step out of her business.-
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No problem wagerwitch, I know you meant well in your comments but I just wanted to clarify that I don't believe Angie is an idiot.
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- Heck I ♥ you too and I won't hesitate to say that here or anywhere else. Your words were wrong and required correction, but your intent was clear, so crawl out of that hole.
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*wink*
Oh sheesh - dudes - Ebay has got some killer deals on beads... I've been glued.
Ebay has been there all of this time and I've only given it a cursory glance. But the last 48 hours, I've been entranced by all the junk on there.
* so back to this convo.
Thanks guys. I hearted all of you too!
(I can't figure out how to get that graphic in there or the smileys... there, I admitted it. LOL!)
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Well Im a little late in the day but my 2 cents is as follows:
If I were to put up a link to a site saying someone donated to me Im sure it would get taken down within seconds as spam...also the site in question still has a post saying
"If you would like to donate to help me get more advertising from smaller businesses,please help,and donate."
I would like to mention that it also says the BC member has had 300 emails from people saying they want to donate but are having issues.
Another thing is that while the BC member says they dont have their own money for the cause because of their own bills and personal situation....they did also mention buying another camera (another) for their vlog...I take it this is from the $600 mention right before the camera.
Could you not borrow a camera from a friend to conserve the $600 people have generously given to you? This camera, will it stay your property once used for its primary concern?
I have been online for many years and have seen many scams, Im not saying this is one but to be honest but Ive never heard of any huge project like this not having a detailed business plan and executive summary backed up with costings/balance sheets etc.
I would suggest creating the required documents and posting it for everyone to see...this would make the whole process more credible and make people less vocal about your intentions....if indeed it is not a scam.-
ahahah, yup, yup, yup.
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Read Angie's responses earlier in this thread. She has nothing to be ashamed of and I'm sure she knows it.
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I don't think Angie is the issue here. I'm not upset with her at all--hearing her explanation.
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The comment made has no mention of Angie, I do not wish to say anything about her donation as Im sure it was made with the right intentions.
My only comment about the BC staff was in relation to shamless promotion of the website, the Housewife could have just thanked them via a private shout not made a post which happened to have a link in it for all to see.
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Sorry Mugshot-my reply was to comments made before yours. I forgot to press the reply button.
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The amazing part is she'll probably end up on Oprah or something for all the controversy she's causing LOL.
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i will make sure to be there, the day she is on "Oprah" to let her know that this cause is nothing but a selfish ploy to rip people off. yes holly ripped off Angie and Tony. Reminds me of a recent scam thread here.
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I'm too new to know anything about the history between Holly and others, so I'll just skip that part...
I checked out Holly's blog and her Ning site, and those, in combination with things said in other threads here on BC paint a rather funky picture.
If I understood things correctly, Angie made a donation as a private person. Just her giving money to a cause. Well, on Holly's Ning site, Blog Catalog is at the top of the list in the "I want to thank our sponsors". The admins may want to ask Holly about this.
I read Shuttercraft's thread about hiking across the country. Here's a quote:
"The Southern Oregon Artist Guild Has Become My Main Sponsor. I have a few smaller sponsors but I dropped some of them due to lack of support. I was supporting Hollythehousewife's cause but she has failed to follow the terms and agreements of a sponsor."
However, "Young Man Is Hiking Across America For My Cause!" is all over the Ning site. And in this thread Holly wrote:
"HE AT THE END OF HIS HIKE WILL MEET ME HOLLYtheHOUSEWIFE in WASHINTON D.C."
Well, if the deal is off, I guess that won't be happening anymore?
In the post "Help a housewife out" in Holly's blog she writes, and I quote:
"I can’t dip into my bill money to make this cause work. The HOUSEWIFE needs lights, so if can donate,I would greatly appreciate it! I will be using the money for printing,my signs,decals,flyers,and gas. If I’m gonna make a real grass roots movement then I need HELP!!"
As Melinda pointed out earlier in this thread, you kinda need to have all the legal stuff in place before you start accepting money for a cause, or you'll be in trouble if someone starts asking questions about it. Also, as Holly stated earlier in this thread about her cause:
#1 hubby truckdriver laid off last yr. high gas prices
#2 we closed on a house we thought we could afford,never saw him getting laid off coming!!!!!
#3 no income swallowed pride went to food stamp office!
#4 was told that hubby made 2222 much money month b4 to qualify
#5I stated to them we weren't hungry last month,but we are hungry today!!!!!
#6 piece of shit house plumbing COLLAPSED!!!!! DREAM HOME INSPECTION,STATE FARM INSURANC,and AMERICAN HOME SHEILD ALL HAD A CLAUSE IN CONTRACT to NOTT FIXX PLUMBING...... I SHELLED OUT 3,000$ FOR THEM TO DO SHIT!!!!!
#7 U KNOW WHAT i'M GONNA GO BUY ANOTHER DAMNN CAMERA THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK AND I WILL FINISH MY STORY!!!!BC U PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME HAVE A NERVOUS BREAK DOWN U... etc.
And a bit earlier she wrote:
"I have gotten a few services like my flyers were donated,but I just ran out and that is what I used for my new flyers,now I have raised about 600.00 and I bought a camera for my VLOG...which I can't figure out how to work... I bought a commercial grade printer,because I want to do BAIL U.S.OUT! t-shirts.... I am creating my GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT!!!"
The idea behind the cause seems a bit unclear.
Now, granted, I'm no expert on legislature in effect on the North American side of the Atlantic, but if you raise money for a (not yet set up) non-profit grass roots movement and then spend the money you've raised on buying a (possibly even two?) digital cameras, I would imagine you'd get in trouble for it rather quickly. I know you would on this side of the pond.
I guess it could be argued that people are free to give money to whomever they choose if they don't care if it's a proper and legal cause, and just want to support a person in financial distress, but I can't help but wonder... I've been poor before, and I am now (no income of any kind for 7 months), so I know what it's like to stretch pennies and eat oatmeal for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If you're worried about having money for food and electricity, why on earth would you spend whatever money you get on a camera...?
@Holly: I'm sure your intentions are good and that you want to make a difference with your cause, but I would suggest that you slow down a bit until you have the whole legal bit done and ready. You might find yourself in pinch otherwise if people start raising official questions about the legitimacy of your fundraiser. Just a thought.-
Woo took my reply and made it more coherent and more detailed, good post.
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I presume this discussion is being left intact to hash out all the issues that people with it?
Mental Health Disclaimer:
In posting this you will probably think I am taking the piss or taking a shot at Holly, I am not.
I saw mention of a Nervous breakdown and other mentions of mental health issues.
The internet is not a healthy playground all the time and sometimes vulnerable people get caught up with stuff that they can not deal with. If you feel that this is the case for anyone, then please think about taking a break from here or looking for some help.-
a really good and important point, Claire. though I am using the nets today to distract myself and try to keep a lid on my emotions. the nets do have scary places and bad neighborhoods, but are also a source of real friendship and help, too.
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LOL why doesn't someone make an anti-Holly blog then? How about a blog-war that ends in a spinning fireball of death?
She's sure getting a lot of publicity from this place.-
from who? I have gone to her blog 1 time and left it barfing!!! i mean how can you fight for any1 if you can't even spell.
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LOLOL @ the spelling comment.
I mean this is the most active thread in this joint!!
Honestly I visited the blog once and was blinded by the color. -
"She's sure getting a lot of publicity from this place"
Correct and that's what most don't seem to realize.
Holly just might prove to be the smartest of us all...just saying. -
The only other thread that had this many comments that I can recall - was the thread that was about:
3 words - after sex....
I loved that thread... (a little too much, perhaps. LOL!)
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"Holly just might prove to be the smartest of us all...just saying."
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Hits don't equal donations, though. Unfortunately, all of the question sand her subsequent reactions which were strange and made her whole case 100 times worse than before probably made everyone aware of where they were not going to donate their money.
Furthermore her listing of private and public phone numbers online to public officials in an effort to cooberate her story probably lost her local support, as well. Just because she's been flinging names about and having people harass them when they can't even be legally affiliated if they wanted to be.
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lozz, yes EXACTLY!!!
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i am done wasting my time on Crack Palin wannabe.
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roflmao. dead on
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i love your avie!! i mean it's like Sarah Palin had a kid with dumb and bumberer I mean I need help, I am psycho dumb
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ROTFLMAO!!!
If I post this link somewhere can non members of BC read this thread?-
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yes. non members can read any of these threads. they only have to sign up if they wish to post or comment
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Wicked. LOL
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My hubby goes off to work and BC becomes his newspaper and he is not a member. I do doubt he'll read all this though.
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This is all really sad. If anyone seriously thinks that this lady (Holly) has the mental capacity to start-up and run a true non-profit cause or organization, then you are grasping at straws I believe. This is not a personal dig at this Holly lady either as I do not know her at all other than just reading this entire thread here today and watching her absurd responses to other members valid questions.
ESS", I believe had previously said and I quote "She has been saved from any legal issues as she has not technically broken any laws yet, that she may have otherwise crossed".
This is totally untrue, since she herself (Holly) did state that she had donations of $600 and she used that money to purchase a camera and a printer. Without her having this non-profit cause already set up in place properly, this could, and has previously been considered in other cases such as this...
1. Theft by Deception and
2. Theft by Conversion
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Hey GG... Love seein' you here.
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on her blog she stated what she needed funds for therefore no deception.
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LOL Lolita, by the way I like your blog
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thanx!! i "try"
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Hey ya WagerWitch, good to see ya too. Hows the weather up there in the great white north, ya seen any sunshine this summer?
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Sun Shone today for the first time since our tent got smushed. Very very nice. Allergy Central and Salmon Berry explosion.
Alright - now you better be gettin in to some other convos here. Yanno - we represent the good side and ethical side here. Sigh... We are so poorly underrepresented. LMAO!
*sorry - thread highjack done...*
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Now I know why shutterecraft hasn't been answering my calls. I am glad he has decided to back out. I knew something fishy was up with him. That is fine though like TOBY KEITH said I will keep fighting the good fight!!! I will do it alone. It is my cause anyways,wasn't to sure about letting others use my GOOD name anyways. I will be sure though to let mike wilboun's sponsors know that he has no intention of starting a non profit via HOLLYtheHOUSEWIFE for people who have lost their homes to foreclosure during this economic crisis. He also needs to be clear now that his cause is picking up trash.
Now I will be pulling his video down and putting mine up. I am almost done with it. I will have it on bailusout.ning.com 1st thing in the am-
not helping at all. It is difficult for many to assist when their advice is not being heeded. Friends are friends, one should not be so quick to turn on them. Loyalty is a core value of mine, and that boy did nothing but defend and try to assist.
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Good freaking lord Holly
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@Holly- *side note: I am not doubting the legitimacy of the cause, I am simply allowing you to personally handle the personal aspect as I seem to be failing at it. I still think fondly of you, it is simply a difference of approach that has caused me to throw in my hat. I will continue to support that aspect, just no more of the personal part as it is your battle and not mine. I do hope you and shuttercraft resolve issues, since he was a good friend to you, remember to cherish those types and not to project or misplace anger, frustration or negativity on them.
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Holly - I don't know about you.
Mike IS a very decent young man - who started doing this FOR YOU.
He is a good person - young and very VERY professional, especially for his age. He has credentials beyond most of those of a Professor in College. He's smart, talented and very charming and sweet.
What he started FOR YOU - was nothing short of amazing and he believed in you - and thought he was doing the right thing.
I CANNOT, FOR ONE MOMENT believe that you are slamming this young man like this.
He withdrew his sponsorship from your cause when you could not meet the necessary requirements for the sponsors.
However, he STILL stood beside you.
I think this is the worst thing I have EVER seen - and I think - maybe you need to rethink things.
IF this is your character witness, then you have degraded beyond acceptable for me.
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learning disabled train? Thats what it meant on squidbillies
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that's what I thought, it was either that or some sort of sandwich order in my head
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Holly, how is plastering huge photos of yourself lying in bed on your Ning site in any way supposed to help your cause? Is that really appropriate?
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Um I not in bed duhhhhhh, who is the one saying my avatar was a lye 2 weeks ago.... besides that I had a photo shoot that yes was also another sponsor haha and proud of those pics.... guesss what else there is more where that came from... I did something different. I'm getting off my but and doing something about this economic crises. That is calling out elected officials who aren't doing their job,and helping a few others do what I did to. I don't want anybodys money who doesn't want to give it. I have stated that previously,I am also adressing that on my video to.
As for angiea donating me money I have told her 2xs ill give it back. She said NO and all of you make her wanna donate more. If that were to happen I wouldn't except,seeing as how all of 10 people out of 1000s who have helped me on my online mission,are absolutely acting like a bunch of middle schoolers.-
I am interested in seeing Melinda's letter to the Attorney General of Holly's state and even more interested in his response.
Perhaps Holly is smarter than we give her credit for...by not clearly stating what her cause is on the site and in her literature, she may be able to skirt any laws that she would be violating if she clearly outlined a plan to collect and redistribute funds but didn't have the proper legal bits in place.
By posting cheesecake photos and asking for money and calling the site "bailusout" she creates the illusion of a desperate housewife willing to do anything to bring in a few bucks. When people donate money to a softcore porn site, like LexiTeen (which is now defunct but can still be found on archive sites), people don't care where the money goes.
When people donate to legitimate charitable sites, however, they don't expect suggestive photos anywhere on the site, let alone the home page. If there is a photo of the founder at all, it is generally sober and businesslike or a candid shot of the founder "in action," not a picture that looks like she is spread out on a bed, wearing nothing but her lingerie.
And people who donate to legitimate charitable sites expect information. They want to know how the organization is structured, where the money goes (how much is actually paid out to those the organization is supposed to help and how much goes into the pockets of the administrators of the organization). Getting a legal non-profit status helps to reassure donors that the organization is legitimate, not some housewife in Tennessee collecting from the unwary (or horny voyeurs) so she can plump up the family income without having to go out and get a real job, like slinging hash in a greasy spoon at a truck stop. -
@Sweet Violet thinking you may be dead on that holly is a lot smarter than many here have given her credit for. It does begin to sound more like a diabolically clever scheme than a clueless @sshole trying for her 15 minutes of fame.
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Angie you have a heart of gold wanting to give to others, sometimes things are perceived differently by other, hell it happens in every thread here, but the point I'm trying to make is that you were willing to help another, Kudo's to you. Now I am going to take a large dose of Tylenol and a swig of Pepto cuz this thread is turning my stomach-
So the fact that Holly clearly said, eventually, that her "cause" was herself, is immaterial to you?
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The topic was active and still on the first page when I came back on line this morning.
How does one discern that an active topic is "dead"?
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You know what Sweet Violet I didn't read the whole thing, and honestly I pretty much skipped down to the bottom to leave a comment because I was tired of wading though it to make sense, I am tired and my ADD meds have worn off hours ago....concentration is difficult.
As far as her stating what her cause is, I still don't even know what it is, nor do I care to read the thread all the links attached to figure it out, that's why I didn't read the whole thing, secondly I was talking about ANGIE, and her "generosity to give" So is it immaterial, in a sense, yes, in the fact that I have better things to do than discuss it further, hell why am I bothering to even respond , I know someone would say something back to me ugh-
Allow me to rephrase:
Tony said (on this thread) that Holly solicited the funds from Angie.
Holly eventually admitted (also on this thread) that her cause was herself, not charity for others. This admission, of course, came after she solicited and received funds from Angie.
I agree that Angie has a good heart, but as a result of Holly's admission, it now appears that she was snookered into donating to Holly's personal pocket rather than to an altruistic cause.
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I think the thing that is starting to bother most of us now SweetV., is the fact that some people haven't gotten tired of beating the dead horse, already.
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Angie, I live in Africa. That's at least 6 hours time difference from where you are.
So while this discussion was going on in real-time for you, it was the middle of the night for me and I was sleeping.
So, for you this may be a dead horse, but for me, I am just catching up, it being morning where I am. That is, perhaps, the downside of having global participation on your site...some of us come to the party a little bit late.
I hope you are not suggesting that because we choose to sleep at night here, we are not welcome to catch up with and participate in discussions that went on while we were sleeping?
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Here's my 'beating' then...
I'm surpised that no one has spotted the obvious pun on Holly's ning site, unless I missed it in the thread above: is it 'Bail U.S. out' or 'Bail US out' (US = me and my hubby)?
Anyway, sifting through some 400+ cross-referenced posts it is hard not to be moved by the arguments made here, and it is even harder to say who is to blame in the end, but BC staff members are walking a very thin line when endorsing (as in: donating to) BC members' causes. Of course they have have the right to 'privately' support whatever cause that suits them, but mind you, it can be construed as 'official support' by the benefactor. And I guess that is what started the whole thing... -
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@sweet violet concerning this comment:
Edit: I also notice that Kat's late arrival on the topic was not viewed as "beating a dead horse" while mine was...and she doesn't even have time zones to explain her late entry. What's up with that?
Wow didn't know I had to "explain" entering a thread, but I will, I was checking my shouts and returning them before going to bed, I haven't hang out here much and was interested in what was going on.
I think you are reading too much into the comment made by Angie, but it does make sense she didn't include me. I only made one comment, so technically it didn't fit into the beating a Dead Horse category.
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That makes no kind of sense at all.
We posted to the same thread at approximately same time. One of us was told that it was a "dead horse," a clear suggestion to cease posting to it. The other did not receive the same admonition.
The only difference I see is that one comment was supportive on one side of the issue, the other comment was supportive of the other side of the issue. The comment not supporting the side Admin had clearly taken got admonished.
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Well, perhaps the comment would have made more sense to most of you if I had said:
Ah, I understand, point well taken. Being in Africa as there is a 6 hr difference, to you it’s still a “Pinata”. To us it’s become a beaten down dead horse.
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@ Sweet Violet "The only difference I see is that one comment was supportive on one side of the issue, the other comment was supportive of the other side of the issue. The comment not supporting the side Admin had clearly taken got admonished.
My question was an oblique way of asking if the Admin was aware of the double standard she was employing in her commentary."
I am on the good side of a double standard! Finally !! No seriously you are reading something into that comment that is soooooo not there. And I stand corrected, I assumed you had commented in the thread earlier, I just assumed because I know you are active on the boards, I stand corrected, however Angie in my opinion is much too intelligent to play that double standard shit.
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For those of you who are interested. This is my rough draft of the letter I am sending off today to Attorney General Brooks:
Dear Attorney General Brooks,
I am contacting you out of concern that a citizen of your state, Ms. Holly Brooks, has been fraudulently soliciting funds for a charitable organization on the Internet. I received an email (see attached) from Ms. Brooks a couple of weeks ago, in which she solicited money for her organization. I decided to investigate Ms. Brook’s organization and found that she has two websites in which she is soliciting money: bailusout.ning.com/ and hollythehousewife.wordpress.com. Upon my exploration of her organization, I found that none of the legalities of setting up a non-profit organization had been set up. For example, her organization has not filed for receiving a government identification number, no tax structure for exemption were in place, and other alarming signs of fraud were evident to me. Since I am currently in the midst of setting up a non-profit organization myself, I am extremely troubled due to the increasing number of internet frauds running rampant today.
I became more alarmed after hearing of a couple of people who had donated money to her organization, including a seventeen year old young man who had agreed to sponsor her cause, while walking a five hundred mile trail across the United States. I found it outrageous that Ms. Brooks was soliciting money from hardworking Americans without having the proper legal protocol in place. Upon speaking to the office of Massachusetts Attorney General, Martha Coakley (my state residence), I was advised to contact you.
After questioning Ms. Brooks about the legalities of her organization, she embarked in a discussion with several people in a social networking website, in which she provided names and telephone numbers of a variety of people from your state, including the names and phone numbers of the Southaven Mayor’s office, Senator Roger Wicker, and Senator Doug Davis. After inquiry by phone to the Mayor Gregg Davis’s office, it was determined that the Mayor was not involved with Ms. Brooks’ organization and indeed was dismayed that his office was being publicly linked to her charity.
Included with this letter, are several screen shots, which reinforces the worries I have laid out in this letter. I am also including the email I received from Ms. Brooks and some copies of correspondence I had with her. If you need any further information from me, please do not hesitate to call or email me. I appreciate your diligence in looking into this matter. My own mother was recently taken in by an Internet scam and I strongly feel that the only solution is for ordinary citizens to voice their concerns to the proper authorities when they are aware of potential fraud.
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Absolutely, SV--I will let people know what happens on my end. And thank you.:)
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wow. very powerful letter Melinda...maybe you could help me with my employer after all (though my health care provider got furious with the human resources people who were pushing her to fill out Their forms on their schedule. I have an appointment to meet with my health care team next tuesday at 8am and my therapist e-mailed me telling me that he told HR that my healthcare provider will be happy to provide me with a medical excuse until this matter can be reolved).
(makes mental note to be sure Not to get on your bad side
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When will BC put a stop to this outrageuous harrassment of one of its members?
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How is posting the letter I am sending to the attorney general fraud?
I feel the people who have engaged in this thread have a right to know. I am being 100% upfront with what I am doing on my end--and on my end, I feel it is my duty to try to rid the world of scammers. -
Melinda, I love you to pieces and have unbounded respect for you. But I do feel all this is uncalled for and smacks of a kind of excessive moral fervor and vigilantism. I hope you don't mind me saying this, because I really value your friendship, but it is my opinion and how I feel.
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I have never harassed or said a mean word about Holly but if BC is sponsoring a personal charity (no matter what charity) I think members have a right to know.
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NP--I have to disagree with you on this. What Holly is doing is a scam. I believe it is harmful to other people. I strongly believe that the greater good here is teaching her that she cannot scam people in the manner that she is.
Sometimes it's hard to make a stand, NP--but what I hope this accomplishes is that she either stops soliciting money from people altogether or quits being TOO LAZY to set up the proper protocol.
You do realize that scams such as hers hurt EVERY LEGITIMATE non-profit out there? Since I am working hard to LEGALLY set up my own non-profit, it makes my blood boil to see people take advantage of unsuspecting citizens.
I strongly feel I am doing the right thing. I feel her state's attorney general has a right to know. Let him investigate--then it is out of my hands. I am contacting proper authorities--not taking the law into my own hands, so it is not vigilantism. -
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I might have missed it BUT is BlogCatalog an official sponsor of this charity? If yes, so be it, if not why is it listed as such on the website.
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@Jafa, at this point BC knows that its' listed as AN OFFICIAL SPONSOR and if they don't ask for it to removed then indeed, they r!
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@Jafabrit--Holly is claiming that BC are sponsors. I am leaving BC out of it in my letter. This has nothing to do with them. It has everthing to do with stopping Holly from scamming people in the manner in which she is.
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If BC is aware of the claims and supports a personal charity with questionable credentials, and someone who seems to have caused a LOT of problems on this site then I will lose all respect for BC and won't wish to support this site further.
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BC _IS_ doing it's job, imho. they are allowing the community itself to sort things out themseslves and form their own opinions and are only deleting commits that clearly violate the rules and/or constitute slander or libel, two terms successful web publishers Must learn to understand and respect. tony and angie have done an INCREDIBLE job in my considered opinion of NOT taking any of the comments here personally and recognizing that the controversy of the thread is drawing in more hits, more ad page views, more revenue. Consider this thread as a baseline education in How To Be A Commercially Successful Web publisher. tony and angie aren't Telling you. they are Showing you. it's up to you if you want to take the lesson from it
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Melinda-all I can say is that I wish with all my heart that you don't send that letter. Posting it here at BC is one thing, sending it to the Attorney General another. Holly may be naive or quixotic, but I don't believe her intentions are to cheat or defraud. In any case, your letter brought tears to my eyes and I feel for Holly and I think sometimes one has to think with one's heart and not with one's head.
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If you are truly concerned for Holly's welfare and cause - then someone needs to officially stop her from getting herself into a lot of trouble.
The Attorney General isn't going to arrest her, however they may take action that will help or at least stop her from bringing lawsuits onto herself. She's obviously not listening to anyone here, not even people like Endless who has become her friend and helped her with many things. Perhaps an official will get the message through. -
NP, What Holly is doing is stealing. I feel that is so wrong. I feel her state's attorney general has every right to know and that she should be stopped. Do you realize that if people are never deterred from illegal and immoral behavior then they go on to WORSE immoral and illegal behavior.
I will say this: IF Holly puts up an announcmeent on her blog/ning stating that she is no longer accepting donations for this charity because she is not legally set up to do so, along with an announcement stating that she is willing to send back any contributions that were falsely received, then I will not send the letter.
My goal is for her to stop this bad behavior. IF she does stop, then no letter. But if she says, "Eff You I'm doing what I want" then I feel I *obligated* to send this letter off.
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You may be right and it is based on naivety, but we all reap what we sow and have to live with the consequences of our actions especially when setting up a charity that may prove illegal.
"The organization is required to advertise and prove that they have this status. Under no circumstance can a charity and or religious organization be operated as a "sole proprietorship" regardless of the number of people running the organization. If an individual claims that they are operating in this manner, it is fraud as outlined by the Internal Revenue Service and the contributions to this individual will not be deductible."
personal-tax-planning.suite101.com/article.cfm/avoiding_charity_scams
As Anok said if people here are concerned about the welfare of another member then it behooves them to provide information or advice that will protect them or at least help them avoid further trouble. The IRS doesn't care how naive a person is.
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Where's Holly? How come she's had nothing to say in here for the last 9000 posts?
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Because she realized that it'd be a complete waste of her time.
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NP, if you are so concerned to the point of being brought to tears, then perhaps you should pass along my suggestion to Holly. I will most definitely (I give my word) not send that letter if I see that she stops doing what she is. I will not send this letter until 3 p.m. this afternoon (I am on the W. Coast right now). So, that's about 6 hours from now.
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@NP- I do understand your POV, and I also believe she has noble intentions BUT she is not listening to friend or foe in how to correct the situation. I called her last night, only to get yelled at even though as you can see from this thread and many others I have done nothing but defend,defend defend and try to help. I let the getting yelled at slide and typed her up a "script" outlining concerns and how to legally proceed (per her request), sent it and not even a thank you. I also let that slide as I would also be disheartened at some of the things said. The final issue which made me step back and realize that only Holly can help Holly was her publicly thankless and rude comments towards Shuttercraft, who like me, has never had a bad thing to say about her. I admire your loyalty and compassion, it is a great trait to have, but do be careful as it seems at this point everyone is a target
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Melinda, go ahead and mail that letter if you feel it's the right thing to do. I have no further desire to interfere. I expressed my opinion and now I'm done. I don't consider Holly's business any of my business. She'll have to make her own decisions. I'm a very private person and I'm not a moralist and I don't care much for public causes. You obviously have your reasons for doing what you're doing. Being the person I am, they simply make no sense to me.
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I'm only going to say one more thing on this to you, NP. First, the primary purpose of any action taken here is to stop a scam from occurring.
Do you know how many innocent people--older Americans, people who aren't that bright, or other vulnerable folks out there that are taken in by these kinds of scams all the time. They are sucked in--perhaps they are angry that their house is in foreclosure--and they see a site like HTH's and say, "Wow--a person who is willing to fight my fight!" and they give that person money, in trust, to do the right thing.
The reason why the government has such strict steps as far as nonprofits go is because it is easy enough to scam people WITH all the proper protocol in place. If I see someone, willfully engaging in a scam, I am going to do everything I can to expose that person and get them to stop taking money from innocent people under false circumstances.
As I said, the point here is not to arrest Holly--but to get her to STOP what she is doing. But she apparently feels she is above the law--that the proper steps don't apply to HER because she is Holly the Housewife, Damnit!.
None of us have been able to get this woman's attention, have we? So maybe her state's attorney general will and shut her down so she cannot rip off any more people.
If I saw someone getting robbed on the street, I would consider it my moral obligation to stop that crime from occurring. I feel I have that same moral obligation here.
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Melinda, I understand your point of view and I respect it. I never insist on my own opinion. I know I have ever chance of being wrong.
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I do understand your position, the only reason I feel it excessive is because I truly do not believe she has the intent to commit a crime. Had the contacts never heard of her, I would be more inclined to agree with you. The fact that they have, they did call her a "sweet woman who was trying to do good" and that she has been there leads me to believe that the reality is she does have a cause, no matter how conveluted, but simply does not know or understand how to apply the feedback she has received. If it were me, I would wait until the 7th of August to see what if any steps she takes to change the situation for the better. If no steps are taken, then I would send it. Does that make sense?
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Melinda, I agree with you and you have my support.
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@ESS. Fine--if she is not acting to perpetuate a fraud, then she should be more than willing to stop asking for donations for a fraudulant organization on her website.
This is what I am asking.
If she doesn't feel she has to or needs to, then whatever happens because of this letter, is strictly on her shoulders.
Not mine.
@SV--thank you. Believe me, I have an entire inbox (email) and several shouts from people who are all telling me I am doing the right thing. But what's more important, is that in my heart, I feel I am doing the right thing.
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lol, @ she's holly the housewife, dammit. I thought it was dayumm?
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Seems that horse that Angie declared dead some six hours ago was prematurely pronounced...
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Somehow, I have a slight doubt as to whether those few who have maliciously attacked HollytheHousewife in this thread, and are now magnaminously extending a deadline by six hours, are "looking out for her best interests". It may very well be HtH doesn't have her act together, and/or needs some quality advice. However, she need not justify herself here to people ripping out old bones.
No doubt, it is more than advisable that all be legally in place, but it is not because an organization is up to speed in that respect that their finances and morality are sound. In fact, I think there is a case to be made that most non-profit orgnizations are morally bunk. That's just my opinion, of course.
Speaking of frauds, some entire professions are frauds, and there is no attorney general to send a letter to in that case.-
would you care to tell me SPECIFICALLY which professions are all scams? please do tell me. i am an honest consumer and i want to know
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Damn this discussion is still going strong.
Some of you need a day job for real or better yet ...Get A Life
I prefer to talk about fun stuff like "Please donate to my cause" and "Let's discuss butts".
Come join me and leave this old boring shit behind HATERS
