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Death Part 2- "Heaven or Hell"
Posted by AchEmpire • 8/10/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: death
~We are all headed to Heaven or Hell someday~
Which one are you?
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Achempire, you state that as if it were a fact. How the hell do you know?-
aspotofblog - I don't know where you are headed. That's why I asked do you think you are going to Heaven or Hell?
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heaven and hell are yesterday, today, and tomorrow.-
cookingasshole - Hi so basically you don't know if you're going to Heaven or Hell?
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you just totally missed my point.
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cookingasshole - I didn't miss your point. It sounds you could care less where you are headed at this point.
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it is not about going, genius. it is about being.
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cookingasshole - I never said I'm a genius.
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apparently
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cookingasshole - Apparently what? You sre judging me, & thow shall not judge thy neighbor
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I am not judging you; I am judging your level of understanding
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cookingasshole - Why & what would provoke you to do that?
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you just don't understand the theological concept of Heaven and Hell and it perturbs me.
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cookingasshole - Then don't let me continue to disturb you, about my theological view of Heaven & Hell. Your opinion is your opinion and my opinion is my opinion.
See you someday, ~I will be headed to Heaven~ -
fair enough...
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cookingasshole - Glad you & I resolved this, & we're still friends.
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"The mind is its own place, and can make
Of Hell a Heaven, or of Heaven a Hell."-Milton-
nothingprofound - Nice quote. So where does your mind tell you? Is it Heaven or Hell?
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you missed the point again...
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Ache-I don't believe heaven and hell are actual places like Montana or Canada. They're states of being, states of mind. If you do things on a daily basis that make you anxious and unhappy, that's hell; if you do things on a daily basis that make you peaceful and happy, that's heaven.
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see that is the point!
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nothingprofound - I understand notingprofound, but remember as you speak God is listening and will continue to listen to every word and meaning you have for life as long as your given light to breath. The gates will open when the mis-understoods finally realize to understand God's purpose & real meaning.
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Ache-I love and respect you, but I didn't realize you were such a preacher. I'm happy for you that your faith is so strong.
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nothingprofound - You're confusing me. Many are calling me fairytalish/self delusional, now you are say a preacher? Are my words so confusing to you all you have no way to identify me?
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I was referring to your last comment to me which was a little "preachy." And I don't think you're delusional or fairytalish, I think you're sweet. And I think you're just you.
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NP - I would say more prophetic...but not in a legitimate way.
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nothingprofound - Thanks, you are very nice too.
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cookingasshole- Your point in saying this about me?
NP - I would say more prophetic...but not in a legitimate way. -
You act like your words come from the mouth of God and are the one and only Truth. They are not.
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cookingasshole - So I am provoking you. I never said I was God, I'm a child of God. Therefore the words of God reveal through me as I speak.
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"Therefore the words of God reveal through me as I speak."
Not only does this not make any sense, but also if it did it would be wrong. God's words are not revealed through you any more or any less than me. We are all children of God. Beware of false prophets. -
cookingasshole - You are correct, sorry I confused you. I meant as I speak from my situations I speak from God's words. Everyone has different words & I judge no one. I wouldn't want God to punish me for such acts.
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I judge my neighbour all the time .. I hear funny sounds coming through the wall and there is always a disturbing odour in the hallway ...
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This is from Nothing Profound " We put ourselves through hell and that is hell."................-
Adityavardhan - Hi not all of us put ourselves through Hell, and if we do we are forgiven by asking God through prayer to forgive such bad act.
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crpitt - So then where does your mind tell you, you will end up?
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You're only allowed to wear bras in their proper place in heaven.
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Claire, you know that we'll be sharing the same hand basket, right?
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Achempire. How can anyone even be sure that Heaven or Hell exists? Maybe we just die and go nowhere.
I don't agree with the premise of your question, so I can't give you a satisfactory answer.-
aspotofblog - Well try. Do you have some sort of opinion where your mind wants you to be?
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Hahaha.
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Hell isn't so bad. The theme park will be completed by October, we are upgrading our jet skis, remodelling some of the buildings. Hell just gets a bad name.-
dbowles1017 - Ok so it sounds like you're thinking that's where your headed, since you didn't mention Heaven.
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I don't believe in heaven
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dbowles1017 - Oh, then your belief is your belief.
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No, my belief is your belief.
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dbowles1017- How can your belief be my belief if my belief is different from your belief?
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AchEmpire- You said
dbowles1017- How can your belief be my belief if my belief is different from your belief?
Because my belief is the root of all beliefs, therefore my belief is your belief, just as my belief is my belief. -
dbowles1017 - Your belief will never be the root of my belief, because my belief is God's belief, and I believe in Heaven. Where as you said you believe in Hell.
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I never said I believe in hell. I said I don't believe in heaven.
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OK, achempire, I'll try. I'll probably go to hell.
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aspotofblog - Why would you say you're going to Hell? Have you done so much bad, you think God will not forgive you? If the
1. Serial killers
2. Rapists
3. Etc.
can be forgiven and allowed in the gates, then why can't you? God forgives those who forgive themselves from their vicious acts bestowed upon others to cause shame, harm, or etc. -
Why would anyone want to go to a place with serial killers, rapists, ect?
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aspotofblog - You are missing the point.
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No he isn't missing the point. Why do you think someone in their right mind would want to go somewhere where there are rapists and serial killers? really?
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I am confused
Hell said "No "
Heaven " No vacancy " -
Been there, done that. But after I die, I don't think I'm going to either one.-
Rainhat - Then where are you headed? Remember as you speak God is listening this very second, & will continue each and everyday you continue to breath & live life.
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When I die I'm going into a box that will be put in a hole in the ground. Nowhere else. I'm of the same opinion as Nothingprofound and Cookingasshole on this one. Heaven and hell do not exist after death. They are not places, but states of mind. I do not believe there is a God, so if he's listening or not makes no difference to me.
Besides, you said earlier that God forgives everyone, even serial killers and rapists. So what difference does it make if he's listening or not? If he really forgives everything, I could call him an asshole, and he would just go "Oh, it's ok, don't worry about it" anyway. -
Rainhat - I said God forgives those who forgive themselves. You are apparently not forgiving yourself from your opinion because you don't believe in God. Sometimes your punishment of wrong acts maybe in the form of a job loss, or etc. So God works in mysterious ways, never forget that if anything else.
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Why should we forgive ourselves if we have not done anything wrong? Sounds like an unnecessary guilt trip to me.
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voodooKobra - Only you & God know what you have done wrong since besides you God is the only other who can enter your conscious.
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Why would I need to forgive myself for doing something that I think there is nothing wrong with?
I'm unemployed at the moment because I had a limited time contract, and I haven't found a new job after that contract expired. So if God is "punishing" me by keeping me unemployed, he would have needed to create this global financial crisis to pull it off, putting the rest of mankind in distress just for my sake. That would *really* make him an asshole. -
Rainhat - Hi you mis-understood my point, & I'm very sorry for your job loss. I will pray for you. What I'm trying to say is nothing is wrong with your opinion but you said:
If he really forgives everything, I could call him an asshole
Joking about calling out God in that way is not healthy, and punishment could be in the eyes of a job loss, etc. Get my point?
You have good deeds & bad deeds. If I send you money to help you pay your bills because you lost your job, and you take the money and go party with it, God will take over the situation, because it was God who sent the one from beginning to help you understand? -
Joking about calling out God in that way is not healthy, and punishment could be in the eyes of a job loss, etc. Get my point?
The problem with this argument is that it assumes as a fact that God exists. Since I do not believe there is a god, I'm not even remotely worried about joking about god. If he doesn't exist, it can't be unhealthy to joke about him, and a creature that doesn't exist can't punish me either. See? Speeches about me being a sinner who's going to hell, etc. are completely pointless, since I don't believe there is a hell to go to, so why should I worry about it?
If I send you money to help you pay your bills because you lost your job, and you take the money and go party with it, God will take over the situation, because it was God who sent the one from beginning to help you understand?
Well, again, this assumes that god does in fact exist. But I'm curious: How would god "take over the situation"?
The reason I don't believe in god or take anything written in the bible as truth is the fact that both God and the bible are incredibly full of contradictions.
You said earlier that God forgives everyone who forgives himself. But Exodus 20:5 says "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me"
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Rainhat- Sorry for the confusion. Your beliefs are your beliefs, & my beliefs are my beliefs.
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You all can go wherever you want.I'm going to the Andromeda star system.-
b0ll0cks - Wow your picture is cool. You tranced me as I was reading your comment, but back to the subject I'm headed to Heaven as long as God shines his light on me as his child.
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I'm thinking I'm going with Bollocks. I think there's as much probability of beaming up to another planet as there is of being put on an escalator to heaven or hell. Actually probably a better chance to be one with the aliens.
I think our heaven and hell are here on Earth now based on our awareness of the blessings in our lives. I don't think there's a big old chalk board tallying up our actions to ensure us a spot on the rosters of heaven or hell later.
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I'm going to hell because it seems like an interesting place. I'll probably interview all the rapists and so-called sinners and write a book about it.
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But they're going to be in Heaven, according to Achempire.
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Neither, and I don't care if "God is listening right now." I'm not a duplicitous coward. If there is a god, I'll tell him the same thing I tell everyone: Organized religion is a force of regression, pain, and suffering on earth and should be eradicated.
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voodooKobra - I can't speak on your comment, because it involves too much wrong & shame in the wake of God. I pray God will re-guide you by his light & direct you as one of his children by his light as he has done the rest of us. God works in mysterious ways, you could suddenly have something occur to you in away you are confused, remember that.
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I'm not confused. My mind is quite lucid.
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voodooKobra - Are you sure? Would God say the same about you? I see you re-worded your comment a bit. You took out the cuss words, how clever, but remember God has already acknowledged your conscious and will continue to do so as long as you continue to live and breath each day your given
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[Are you sure?]
Nothing about my behavior indicates confusion. If it did, I'm sure my family and friends would bring it to my attention. They're pedantic like that.
[Would God say the same about you?]
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@Ache: "conscience", not "conscious".
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voodookobra- Hi don't question me with the question you should be asking yourself & God. Only you & God know if your confused or not.
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LOL! That is rich Ache. You telling some one not to answer with a question? Man, oh man, that is hilarious.
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OK, being an atheist I don't think either exist. BUT. I'm not a bad guy, a few blasphemers like sex before marriage, but who cares about that? So I reckon, if I'm wrong and all this stuff exists, then heaven - I'm banking on this possible God not being a ego-centric ass...:D-
iratedog- Ok, sounds like your true beliefs are your very own, but not mine.
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All I have to say is
Stop humping my leg! -
Heaven or hell?
I'm an atheist - so I'm going nowhere.
By the way, you're all coming with me.-
haha, nice
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urikalish - I'm not going anywhere with you. As a God's child I will enter the gates when my time comes for Heaven, that way.
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Did you ask him?
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urikalish - Ask what?
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You chat with him from time to time, right?
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urikalish - Are you mocking me about my beliefs concerning God? I have prayers I confide in, to answer your question.
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How do you know you're going to heaven?
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urikalish - My belief is I'm going to Heaven. What's wrong with me thinking that? I'm not judging you & saying because you don't believe in God you're heading to hell?
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How do you know God does not prefer the cool free thinking atheists at his side?
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urikalish - I'm curious but how do you think man & woman were created?
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Exactly like every first year biology student will tell you it happened.
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urikalish - So you're asking me a question reversed from a question I orginally asked you? Are you familiar with how a man & woman were
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Yes, I know the creation story from the bible; nice story.
I also like The Gruffalo.
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urikalish - Ok so do you believe in the story? I know you said you didn't believe in God, Heaven, & Hell, & I'm curious your response about creation of man & woman?
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what the hell is a "Gruffalo?"
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cookingasshole - What is provoking you now? I have know idea where you're mind is navigating right now?
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uh...I was addressing urikalish.
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The story in the bible does not align with science, so no.
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No you weren't CA. This is her thread, everything here is directed to her
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The Gruffalo is a GREAT bed time story for kids.
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@DB
I forgot...sorry
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dbowles1017 - Wow some how you've decided to come over here and get in the middle of cookingasshole & urikalish & I conversation?
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don't throw me in the mix I just want to know what a Gruffalo is...
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Google for it.
It's slightly sophisticated in a way small kids cannot understand, but that makes it a great read for the parents (in addition to it being simply an enjoyable book). -
now I get it! thanks UK
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cookingasshole - Don't throw you in the mix? Didn't you just enter in the conversation urikalish was challenging me with concerning creation of man & women?
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The coolest bed time story for kids:
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I was not interested in your conversation I was interested in the definition of "Gruffalo"
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cookingasshole - Ok, your behavior makes sense now. You were curious about his meaning of "Gruffalo".
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Pfff... This thread seems to be degrading into attention seeking and trolling again. We're being preached to by a person who doesn't seem to know the ten commandments, and who seems to be provoking responses by constantly "not getting it". Keep in mind that a thread that gets more than 200 posts increases the blogrank of the person who started it. It also makes the thread visible on the BC front page, giving the initiator loads of publicity. A bible thumper who doesn't know the decalogue? C'mon guys, she's doing it on purpose. I for one am ducking out of this thread now.
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I for one, do not care about anyone's "blog rank" or "appearing on the front page." I am just trying to have a good time. Playing with these people, despite their motivations, is pure entertainment...for me at least.
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What the monkey said
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Watch out little monkey, or the Gruffalo will make a soup out of you.
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I agree in a way, but a troll getting a chunk of the visibility means that other more serious bloggers get less visibility, which seems a tad unfair. But it's up to you, obviously. I'm just speaking for myself.
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Rainhat-Although I deeply respect your views, I'm with CA on this one. All these concerns about blog rank and traffic, etc., seem to me overdone and irrelevant. Besides, I don't believe the OP is a fake or has any sinister intentions.
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Rainhat - I could care less about my blog rank. I create threads from my mind & what I want to voice. First you say my men threads were provoking & causing debates. Now I'm doing death threads & you are saying the samething. Honestly I have my rights to say what I want. If you do not like what I say or talk about, then honestly comment else where. I would NEVER be-little others for my own personal gain.
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I say we hijack this thread and make it a Gruffalo thread!
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cookingasshole & nothingprofound- Thanks for being honest I truly respect you too. I can't believe Rainhat is thinking that way about me, I really can't.
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Some Of US Are Going Six Feet Down, While Some Other Will Be Eventually Turning To Ash. All Rest- The Heaven & The Hell, Are Only Two More Of Those Grand Mom Tales. If You Want, Indulge In Them Whenever There Is Nothing To Cheer About!-
jyotishman - So your view is you are going 6' down?
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I believe that there is something and here is why
1. My mother was dying of cancer she died and came back to tell a tale of a garden where she met a child. She begged to the child to give her two weeks where she was aware and able to handle her final wishes with her family. She got exactly two weeks, but during those 2 weeks she was afraid she wouldn't get back to the garden when she died. The child also told her she would come back in her next life as a boy that couldn't walk. Mom was very critical of people's appearance. So is this her lesson in her next life??
2. My late husband died of cancer. For a month he made an area in the house smell like his cologne. One time I ignored it and he changed the smell from cologne to burning wire. He was an electrician. As soon as I said I knew he was there it stopped. He hung around for about 2 months.
When I was in high school a friend of mine lost her mother. Her mother's favorite rocking chair rocked for about 6 months. I thought she was seeing things until it happened to me.-
KittyKat53 - Hi your examples are very interesting. I do believe in spirits too, & think sometimes some of us come back as something else. Thanks for sharing your stories.
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Remember this folks.
It just makes more!-
more handbaskets?
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The original question is interesting. But many of the answers are for a want of simple logic and sound reasoning. For example: Some have said, we just do not know if a person dies if something of them self continues on in existence or goes into a non-existent state. And then they say (since we are all going to die), eventually we will find out when we die. However, this statement is making an emphasis of implication based on faith that there is an afterlife. For if when a person dies he goes into an non-existent state, he would not have cognition or awareness of anything. So, you see, we are still left with the question because we may not ever find out, ever come to know if there is a afterlife, IF in fact we go to a non-existent state. The question cannot be answered by science (knowledge) for there is no physical evidence to derive a satisfactory answer or any answer for that matter. Those in science admit this.
The question can only be answered in the realm of faith. This does not mean blind faith or even a leap of faith, but genuine faith, belief, or trust based upon evidence from and in the realm of testimony. Even our law courts accept testimony as evidence to persuade jurors (judges) to arrive at a verdict of persuasion. Many of those in this discussion thread have no business voicing their opinion if it is based on science alone, only if they are willing to admit this is their faith. If they are willing to admit that, pray tell, what is your evidence that persuades you to believe that there is no heaven or hell? What strong weight of persuasive words do you lean on? Remember, the original question deals with a realm that is invisible. No one here has been able to show anything physical that there is or is not an afterlife.
Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe the question can be answered by what would be most logical and reasonable. There is a book called the Bible that is full of testimony. It doesn’t appear that many people on this thread know anything about it because I have not seen its testimonies quoted. There may be some quotes, I just didn’t see any. Isaiah 1:18 says, “”Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, . . .” NASB. Everyone here on this thread wants to reason with one another. How many want to reason with the Lord? Now time and space will not allow me to show why this book should be trusted. The only thing I can say is don’t knock something you have not read completely with understanding and without prejudice and bias. It has been proven by scientists, archeologists, linguists and others that the Bible is a collection of writings, written at different times (over a period of 1500 years), in different lands, and by different writers (about 30 or 40). And yet its claims of authorship are by a being called God, the One and only God, the Almighty. Now, you must treat the investigation of bible information on these terms and claims, otherwise, you may be found to be a dishonest person and prejudiced. In my investigation there is only one theme of the bible, that being Jesus Christ. There is no way that any one man or collection of men could have produced this book, unless they were somehow guided divinely. This is just what 2 Timothy 3:16-17 teaches. It is here in this book that speaks about heaven and hell. Other books may talk about it but never with the seriousness and soberness as the bible, but that is just my opinion. You see, I have investigated it without prejudice and bias and I have been persuaded that it is true.-
Messengerman casts WALL OF TEXT! It was not very effective...
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The question cannot be answered!
Conjecture is not a definitive answer.
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messengerman - Interesting comment, & thanks for finding the original question interesting.
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Achempire: I want to know where you have proof that there is a definite God and a definite Hell and Heaven. Have you died and seen the other side? Are we speaking to your ghost?
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Guys, stop making me keep this thread alive.
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This thread must die and go to heaven lol
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dbowles1017 & aspotoflog- Why are you 2 keeping this htread alive? It died last a day or 2 ago. Oh & aspotofblog thanks for wanting me to go to Heaven, whish same for you too.
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I am still alive and don't ask me about heaven and hell.-
deepakmd - Hi you mentioned you're still alive, and not to ask you about Heaven & Hell. Is it because you don't know which one God will allow you to enter?
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Hell for me. You know... the whole "not beleiving in God thing.."
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