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different types of faith in the same religion.
Posted by HollytheHousewife • 10/25/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: another faith thread
I was told the other day of how I was so wrong in divorce. I was told that GOD wanted me to suffer. I was told that being belittled and called a whore was part of the suffering and that yes it is ok to be slapped around ever once in a while. The only way to break my vows through GOD's eyes is adultery.
I think she is kind of right,I shouldn't cherry pick through the bible and just follow what I think I want to. Now having said that I don't believe that GOD wants me to "SUFFER" I believe he will still love me even if getting a divorce is wrong.
My question I guess is...the way I was being talked to was...her faith was better than mine because she does go to church every Sunday and I don't
Can there be a right or wrong type of faith in the same belif system???
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I know its a long OP,but read it anyways...kiss kiss
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Holly, the truth is that the old testament law provided for divorce based on adultery. The reason God hates divorce is that it tears apart people and leaves deep wounds in everyone. Jesus taught "love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. While I strongly discourage divorce because of the damage it brings to children and the divorcees the simple truth is that sometimes it will never get better and you have to love yourself enough to know how far you would go before you would lose yourself.. in pain and heartbreak. Ultimately the only thing that truly matters is your life in Christ. If that can be preserved through unspeakable pain then God will be glorified... however if it cannot then your life would be forfeit. I would say that in that case divorce would be the best of bad choices... God knows your heart and your limits. But the choices are yours to make.
some things you may want to read...
jasonthebaldguy.com/2009/05/it-is-not-safe/
jasonthebaldguy.com/2008/10/gods-will/
and
www.internetmonk.com/index.php?s=domestic+abuse
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"her faith was better than mine because she does go to church every Sunday and I don't"
DOH!
you should get her a strainer for her gnat
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agreed! it is easy to be self righteous when you are not faced with the same situations. This garbage has been circulated for too long in the church!
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Sooo confrusin life is
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people who are legalistic are usually compensating for something. The Pharisees went to "church" each sabbath too, no?
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I thought "not judge" is the Christian way. She should be sympathetic toward your situation, not critical.-
Morgan, something that so many do not realize is that the "Law" as prescribed by the old testament was a civil law very similar to our legal system and it was very similar to other laws in that age. It is not exactly cherry picking but understanding that we now live under different civil governments. We observe the teachings of Jesus because the spirit of the law was to preserve a love for God and for our fellow man. Society has changed and there is an accepted level of civilization whether agreeable or not to christians but we submit to the government over us.
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Jason-I don't think an orthodox Jew would agree with that interpretation of the meaning of the Law in the Old Testament.
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neither will they agree with the language from Romans 9 thru 12... if they reject the messiah their quarrel is with him and not me! I love them as Gods people all the same. But Romans quotes several times in Isaiah where God would save a "remnant" of Israel but many would be lost due to the hardness of their heart... this was in advance of their rejection of the messiah. I understand that this is a generalization as not all have rejected Jesus as messiah but the point of this dialog is not to be that specific.
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Naturally, they wouldn't agree, since their religious beliefs don't include the New Testament. I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about the meaning of the Law in the Old Testament is relative to your own beliefs and would be considered in error by an orthodox Jew.
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If you don't cherry pick in the bible, you will need to kill witches, kill gays, kill non-believers, etc...-
people who work on saturday...
seriously though, the new testament supposedly does away with all that via Grace. But almost no Christians observe the full ethics of the Gospel anyway...
or Acts and the epistles, for instance you don't see them sharing all their posessions; "Oh, you're new to church. Help yourself to my Toyota Sequoia" -
I beg to differ with that travelosity
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operative word; "full"
sorry if I have offended. "turning the other cheek" isn't about marital conduct though, and your friend (aquaintance, whatever) is wrong. -
I'm not so sure that she is wrong. That's why I can't get it figured out
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Most of the conventions between men and women were in order to blend with the people around the christians (helenic culture) so they wouldn't be persecuted for any reason but faith alone.
Does wife-beating follow liberal conventions? The rule of law? The world around you alots you with rights to not be abused, and your children not to be exposed to such. Again, I don't know the full story of what you went through, but sounds to me like she is DEAD WRONG.
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Why do you think there are hundreds of denominations of Christianity? Because there are such divergent views even within the same religion. I'm sure you can find dozens of Christian denominations that won't require you to stay in a marriage where you suffer physical abuse. Does it appear to you that the people who are telling you how to live your life have done a good job of living their own?-
that's really irrelevant. Appearances can be--make that ARE--decieving.
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Was the text in the bible written with the intention to be understood countless different ways? I think not. The authors had their own intentions when they wrote the bible, and they wanted their intended meaning to be understood. So there are countless misinterpretations of the bible, cherry picking, misuse, ill justification, redefining to fit with current times, etc... If you read the bible for what it says, and not reinterpret to fit with your own already preconceived modern views, you too, would become a non-believer.
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morgan, we can only understand a document from the perspective that we have now... true there are many things that I may interpret wrongly, however Grace is very simple... we suck at making great choices.. and God says...he can forgive them... that is not hard to interpret..
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Sometimes texts are written to be deliberately ambiguous especially mystical ones, and these exist in Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, et al. The bible was reinterpreted from the time it was written. Thank goodness religion has evolved with society to some extent, or the bonfires would be full of heretics and few would escape damnation.
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evolution is an adaptive process for SURVIVAL. If it hadn't adapted, it would face the same treatment as the Taliban does in Waziristan.
Unfortunately, as we find out in the op, there are some evolutionary throwbacks that need to be solved still
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Ah, so god does want HollytheHousewife to suffer. Because that's what ambiguous mystical religious text causes, and god knows that. Let's confuse them and allow them to suffer with Babel. "God foiled them by confusing their language so they could no longer understand one another"
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Didn't god like let the devil torture some dude because god was all like
"These fools are my b**h , I can treat them like sh*t and they won't turn on me"
So satan was all like
"I don't think so bro, let me have a hand, and they will go away"
So god said
"Bet"
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Congrats on the hot topic Holly. Sorry your ex was a worthless ass
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No not worthless at all... I will always love ted,we both did very wrong things. Still I am confused. I just don't know.
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maybe I'm reading too much into what you said. But the suffering business is bunk. No one is MEANT to suffer, it is just part of an imperfect world.
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Well I don't know either...
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Who created this imperfect world and the imperfect creatures in it. Of course god knows we would suffer. And of course he allows it. "We can make our plans, but the LORD determines our steps." Proverbs 16:9
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if that's what the bible says then my question is answered. THX 2 koo 4 skoo
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Also back when I was pushing my cause really strong,I had a few people tell me what I'm doing for christianity is great,so I got even more confident in my faith...I mean u guys know no matter what I have always fallen back to the grace of GOD that is the only stability I have ever had was knowing I was unconditionally loved by him,but I asked my aunt "do u think GOD is using "hollythehousewife" as a tool maybe???
She told me that GOD has better resorces than me...which I kinda took as another slap in the face....who knows????-
There is a christian author by the name of Phillip Yancey who brought me comfort during a point in my life:
books.google.com/books?id=YkWYaFSo-ooC&dq=Philip+Yancey&printsec=frontcover... -
Holly. when you love your aunt because she's a human being and quit letting her opinions of you matter, you will start to be an adult. Only you can free yourself from worrying about what she says. And I'm guessing while she is worrying about you so much, she might have a few issues of her own she should be focusing on. Almost all controlling people are trying to cover some defect in themselves.
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thanks tooooo much travelosity
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It does matter because they make it sound right...I know I'm grown,but there is nothing wrong with wanting to belong
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When you belong to yourself, they will ultimately respect you. Furtermore, you won't care if they don't.
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Well I will always care,bc they are my family and I love them,but I have grown a little frigid towards them bc they never have nothing nice to say,unless u are doing what pleases them.
All in all I think when we do get to heaven GOD isn't gonna care if I graduated 2nd in class at finishing school....I think its gonna be a slap in the face to my mimi though,haha-
You must do for yourself first. That will begin to make you successful. When you are complete in yourself, everything else will be fine.
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Yea,but that's kinda selfish....I don't know dude,life is so confusing at times,but then other times it is so black and white.... my family has me twisted... my mom's side are the wealthy self-rightious... my dad's side is the "shall we say a little un cooth,well alot,but they welcome me with open arms and smiles on their faces...
I just feel stuck and don't really know what is right or wrong anymore -
Wealthy how? Money doesn't make them better, does it? Look beneath the surface and you'll see. Embrace the love, but never feel that taking care of yourself is selfish.
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They tell me all the time,I'm from good stock...I just wanna say soooooo bad ummm no I from GOD just like U and when we get to heaven u will see.
They give me crap about my ex step-dad to(long story,different thread 4 sure) but I go to his mission once a week and sometimes I let the girls skip school because it makes his day to see them,but anyways back to the point,I love my ex-step dad and when he wasn't on drugs he was the best stand in dad ever. It isn't my fault I love him,its my mother's so she really should have no say so bc she married the man,right??????-
"from good stock"? oh, that's an enlightened point of view! o_0
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Tehehe
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