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do foreign people really take your opportunity?
Posted by tchibesakunda • 3/10/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: fairness, imigrate, traveling
do you really believe that foreign people regardeless poor or developing countries imigrate to other places and take the opportunity of job from the locals?
as far as i am concerned if one cant speak the language you end up doing the dirty and hard jobs in the market, wich happen to be the one thta most of the times locals dont wanna do it...
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Interesting topic. In South Africa's case, it's definitely true that foreign people take opportunities from the locals. There are many reasons for this. It's true that in the unskilled job market, foreigners are often willing to do jobs that the locals aren't willing to do. Foreigners are often illegal immigrants who are desperate for jobs. The locals are just as desperate but not as willing to work. The result of this is that our poorest people are used as political rent-a-crowds and they end up voting for those who bus them to big political events but who end up not making a difference to their lives.
The language barrier isn't such an issue here. Most foreigners who come to South Africa can speak English. Most South Africans can also speak English, albeit as a third or even fourth language. Zimbabweans speak a language which is similar to isiZulu, which is a common language here. Zimbabweans also had one of the best education systems in Africa until Robert Mugabe single handedly destroyed his country with his petty racial ideology.
A strange side effect is that, although the foreigners do start off doing dirty work, they tend to get promoted over locals because they proved themselves to be more hard working and reliable than locals with a similar skills set.
In the skilled market sector, there is a huge skills shortage all over the world. No foreigner with specialised skills will take the job of a local with a comparable skills set. In fact, it is estimated that for each person with specialised skills who is in the country, about 10 unskilled people get a job and a future. A skilled person who comes into a country is always an asset. An unskilled person seems to be an asset to South Africa most of the time. -
well, for my country its different. foreigners here are given better jobs, while when we go out of the country, we are given the local potato peeling jobs-
We also get potato peeler jobs when out of the country - unless we have skilled labour to offer. Even then, potato peeler jobs pay off study and other debts back home far better due to exchange rate.
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What country are you from?
I know the US has a huge problem with identity theft. A lot of illegals come in with stolen documents and get work using the stolen identity information of a legal citizen (points to self).
As far as taking work from locals, that may be possibility with skilled laborers in construction and manufacturing. But menial labor and migrant labor (such as farm work) really depends on foreign workers because locals will not work under the same conditions for a low wage.
If you work here in this country in a white collar profession, you are not going to lose it to a foreign worker unless your company decides to outsource.
With Obama's administration, I think we are going to see a decrease in the outsourcing of labor. -
[With Obama's administration, I think we are going to see a decrease in the outsourcing of labor.]
That largely depends on your indusry. I've read several IT journal articles claiming the exact opposite - namely that US companies are going to be doing more outsourcing.
It seems that Obama's administration is more keen on cutting down migrant unskilled labour to keep jobs reserved for the locals who may be poor. With the current economic crisis, no country can afford to be picky about white collar jobs, even if they have to outsource.
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I personally feel if at one place we talk about Global Village, Bloggers Unite,etc, so this unity should be observed throughout the spheres of life.-
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
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IMO most immigrants come to Canada because they think there are endless economic opportunities here, and many are bitterly disappointed to find that this expectation is not realistic.
I'm astonished when I see the advertising that's done overseas depicting Canada as a land of plenty with jobs for everyone. It's just not true. And, nowhere in this advertising do I see the statistics laid out that reflect the actual unemployment rates, the poverty rates or the true cost of living.
Competition for jobs at all levels aside from potato peeling and hamburger flipping is fierce. Many Canadians find themselves being classified as over-educated and are stuck in dead end jobs with low wages and negligible benefits or no benefits at all, let alone, any possibility of advancement through promotion.
For most Canadians job security and company pensions are a thing of the past. Yet, Canada is depicted as being the Golden Mountain of opportunities and the immigrants, who believe this hype keep flooding in with stars in their eyes.-
Wow! Canada had a 34% unemployment rate among skilled immigrants in 2001.
www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-614-x/2005001/t/4079148-eng.htm
Although that has gotten better, with an unemployment rate of 11,6% in 2006 among the same group.
The other aspect is that skilled people tend to be paid comparatively less in Canada (because there's a steady supply of skilled people to Canada), while unskilled wages are comparatively more (less supply for those skills, meaning more demand from industry). Since most immigrants to Canada are skilled, this situation is getting worse (skilled labour is getting paid less while unskilled labour is also getting paid less but at a slower rate). -
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Exactly, but that's not what the "come to Canada" advertising posted in other countries reveals to would be immigrants.
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psh.. No. This is just another excuse to be racist. Illegal immigrants are for the most part untrained and unskilled workers with very little experience. I am a trained, skilled, experienced worker in the IT field. I have never lost a job or an opportunity for a job to an illegal foreigner. Those of us who work hard at our education and eventually our careers, generally do not have to worry about such problems. If however, an immigrant is skilled, trained, and has worked hard at their career then they deserve the job just as much as I do.-
"Those of us who work hard at our education and eventually our careers, generally do not have to worry about such problems"
I am a trained, skilled and experienced worker in architecture. I worked very hard at my education, on my career. I never received anything but positive feedback and praise for my work ethic. I lost my job two months ago (my firm cut back about 50% of it's workforce due to the economic downturn) and I am having a very difficult time finding new employment.
When I filed for unemployment, I discovered that an illegal immigrant (and about 8 others) had stolen my SSN and was using it to work at a factory in California. He made three times my salary doing whatever he was doing.
Are you telling me that someone who is legally allowed to work in country wouldn't have jumped at that chance of taking a position like that?
And as someone in IT you have something else to worry about: outsourcing.
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Well, I do four people's jobs so I may be I am stealing other people's jobs. -
I don't know about taking canadian opportunities. I do believe they are given more than fair chance. Immigrants that come to canada receive more in monthly payment than a person collecting their pension who has lived here all their life. So while they may have a fair opportunity, the government certainly forgets about the people who have run this country for so long, so quickly
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