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Do you believe Satan exists?
Posted by angelawd • 10/17/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: christianity, devil, heaven, hell, pop culture, Satan
I was watching this video clip of the BBC show “Outnumbered”, and was surprised when the mother said, "Most Christians don't believe Satan really exists."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3xKS4EPzCA&feature=player_embedded
Do you think she's right, or do you think pop culture got it wrong again?
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Don't listen to her, she works for Satan.-
Pardon me?
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Not you, the woman on the show!
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OH! I was thinking you were offended.
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Well a bit, but only at the agent of the devil spreading lies.
I fully believe that all sinners will fry like bacon for eternity, being poked at by a fork-tailed, pitchfork wielding madman.
At least I hope so... otherwise my ministry is in vain. -
hahahahhah!
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I'm a sinner too, but I'm fully relying on Jesus.
Actually, I hope there's bacon in Heaven. -
like actual pork-bellies, or sizzled-sinner-slices? o_0
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I hope there is pork in heaven, too!! And all of the other "unclean animals".
Especially Till Lindemann:
Rawr.
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I haven't actually tasted sizzled sinner slices, so I'll go with pork bellies. I'm assuming no one ever has high cholesterol in Heaven.
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good point Offendedblogger. Isn't "God" Jewish?
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Um, no, Agit8r, He'd be the creator of the Jewish people.
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Well, Agit8r, I've only sent Obama requests to confirm whether or not the "black sterotype" is true www.offendedblogger.com/2008/11/obama-put-out-or-pay-up-dammit.html (he has yet to send proof). I've yet to ask God himself if he is circumcised, but now that you mention it I am rather curious...
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but he is a Jewish deity... no?
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He's the deity of the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim people.
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so... no pork bellies in heaven? (being neither Kosher nor Halal)
@Offendedblogger; does that make you a "Junker"? -
Thank goodness we Christians will show up and bring the hogs.
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Christians eat pickled pig's feet. Blech.
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@Angelawd; that's bound to start a fight...
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I thought pickled pigs feet was a Southern thing, not a Christian thing. Am I stereotyping?
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@Agit8r Only if you are a pig and some weirdo wants to eat your feet!
They do stand in mud (and worse) all day. Blech again. -
Oh gawd! Now OB will make you "prove it"
@OB are you talking about my "fight" comment, or my "junker" comment? -
@Angelawd Well I didn't say ALL Christians ate them. That would be stereotyping fo' sho'.
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blatant stereotyping, OB. Just like southerners, I'm sure!
Christians eat lobster and crab, too. We definitely reap the benefits of an enlightened religion. -
just because Paul had that "revelation" about it
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It was actually Peter, but he helped us all. Yum.
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I fail as a Christian. I don't like seafood. I don't like figs or olives, either. Hmmmm.
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It's Satan's birthday today and from what I understand he's recovering from a hangover.-
LOL, I'll take that as a yes.
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Hangover smangover
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Outnumbered as in the comedy show?-
Yes, the BBC one. There's usually some hilarious clip of kids being much more prepared than adults for a theological discussion...this was one that raised questions for me.
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I am surprised that you are surprised that a comedy show would say something like that.
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Really? But you don't even know me - or do you?
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Nope I don't you, but in comparison to other British comedy shows that is rather a mild statement. Normally the child would be compared to Satan, rather than his existence been brought in to question, usually
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I think I've met some children who helped me believe in the concept of Satan!
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Does satan exist not sure? Is there good and bad then yes. A great clip from the programme kid being taught about Satan during a Maths lesson very funny at so many levels.-
Yes, I feel sorry for the teacher!
So if you believe there is good and bad, where do you think it comes from? -
I don't think it comes from anywhere. I choose a behaviour which I believe to be good or bad and someone perceives that behaviour to be good or bad.
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Did you learn good from bad, then, or were you born knowing the difference?
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Darn, I seem to have lost the one serious responder.
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I think you learn good and bad based on your experiences.
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I'm not sure I understand. Can you elaborate?
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I don't think you're born with the knowledge of good and bad. This is something you learn from experience and influences (like parents, religion and friends).
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So it's possible your ideas of good and bad could have come from God and Satan?
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It's possible if they exist?
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Hellz yes! I blame him for all the stupid sh*t I do-
Repent now and ye shall be saved!
Until you sin again, then you gotta "go back Jack, and dooo it again". -
well i am of the notion I gotta do that just once, but the repenting hell I could repent 24 hours a day, it's exhausting !
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Only in the Government behind the Governments, apart from that it was the best control tool ever invented by the Christian power mongers
No offence to Jesus or the Christian people-
Heh. You are lucky Jesus doesn't understand written English.
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I do appreciate you making a distinction between Christian power mongers and Christian people.
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good one, OB
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Satan's been enlightened; he became a Buddhist. He no longer seeks souls, just nirvana.
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My Ouija board has just confirmed this as fact.
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Is that on the same block as Heaven?
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Isn't Nirvana from Seattle?
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Aberdeen, originally...
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Aberdeen, that explains it. Aberdeen sucks!
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This is true. That is why John Elway left
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Yep
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Yep you believe in whatever I say?
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I could be persuaded
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Wellll...haven't heard that in a while!
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there is neither God nor Satan... for the curious people i can explain why...-
Sure, I'd love to hear your reasons for what you believe, Balor!
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There are my reasons: if you read carefully in the Bible you can find a lot of mismatches, I have an impression that this book was written by request in order to control the masses.
In the universe there are many planets and it is not possible that a one creature (so called God) would control all these ) Processes taking place in the universe are controlled by certain laws, but they have no any relationship to God.
The miracles don`t exist too. What we call miracles are in fact the processes occurring with matters that are unknown to official science... -
Balor, are you not able to imagine a supreme being that could create/control multiple planets?
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Naturally I do not believe in Satan, because I do not believe in God. They both invented in order that would scare people and control them in selfish interests. Notions of good and evil are relative, it would be foolish to divide events into good and bad, it`s all relative... Absolute evil, as shown in films does not exist too. Who ever seen Satan? Who invited him to a visit? I think no... But book that refers to Satan in the form of absolute evil, I can write too... and with the help of this books to fool all people... )))
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I understand your comments about God/Satan being made up to scare people, Balor. These beliefs are pretty widely held by people who don't believe in any God. Moral relativity (your idea that there is no absolute good and evil) is also widely believed by the non-religious and is pushed by pop culture. Our current ugly world has come from moral relativism.
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look around, look at yourself, there is no absolutely bad or absolutely good people and hence there is no absolute evil or good. As told by Plato "know thyself and thou shalt know the whole world" And notions of good and evil itself is very vague and unclear. Can you give me a definition of what is good? and for whom this is good and for whom evil? I think no...
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I CAN give you an idea of what is good and evil. I actually have a whole book that describes good and evil. Here's a starter for you, from the Bible. Evil: envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions, intemperance, gossip, adultery, fornication. Good: love, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control.
I do not believe a wholly good or evil person can exist. I believe we are all made in God's image yet sin by following our own will, so we are all a mixture of good and evil. I do believe that God is wholly good and Satan is wholly evil, though.
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I say in order to settle this argument we need an official poll.
I shall join a dozen or more Christian forums and ask them if they believe in Satan and I'll come back here and deliver the results.
It will give me the opportunity to link-drop for my blog as well. -
Thanks, OB! I appreciate your participation.
I'll be floating the bathtub waiting for your results.
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Insanity i Say -
yes, otherwise this thread should/would have died barren-
So glad you weighed in, crazy! You definitely have shown proof that Satan exists.
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The results of my official polling are in:
86% of Christians do not believe that Satan is a pitchfork-wielding madman who will torture sinners in hell
HOWEVER
83% of them believe they will be raptured (sucked up) into heaven just before Satan shows up as Antichrist to torture sinners here on earth
What does this all mean?
I dunno, but I may have to rethink my relationship with Jesus.-
Hey I thought you are becoming a jew?
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Hmm, good point. I better go poll the Jewish community on their stance about Satan, the rapture, etarnal torture, etc.!
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Sure, in the mind if one believes it strong enough.-
errr?
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Evil exists. Just read the news. -
Of course Satan doesn't exist. It's a story to keep little kids, and apparently adults too, in line.
"Do this or you'll spend eternity in damnation" - are you kidding me? I can't get my head round anyone who ACTUALLY buys that... -
yes, it is in Human Mind..... -
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Are you saying that the Islamic Ghost/Jin is the same as Satan/Beelzebub/Lucifer?
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He/she/whatever probably doesn't care at all and just wants to link drop.
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Satan is one rad dude
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I don't believe Satan exists. But I don't believe God exists either. -
God exist, Satan exist -
It is one to believe something exists, yet it is another to believe in something and follow it to a hot place.-
Agreed.
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Maybe there is a Satan, maybe there isn’t. How to prove it? I have a suggestion for a way to test the Satan theory. Attempt to get possessed by devils, like in the Exorcist movie. There are methods for accomplishing this. Then wait and see if we become possessed by demons. The result may not be dramatic like in the movies, but we’d know on a personal level. I’d suggest this test is not altogether wise, but for those who are curious, why not?-
Let me know how it goes for you.
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I'm not sure it really matters. One way or another, there is evil in this world and we need redemption from it, we need to save our hearts and our souls from the all-consuming blackness. -
Satan exists in the form of a man like you or me.-
Are you saying Satan is an actual man? Or just has the body of a man? How do you know?
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yes... they are, I think they are the aliens!
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Ummm?
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Yup, I believe that Satan exists. He's busy as a bee.
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If Satan does exist, is he the one stealing tripods from every movie and television camera crew?
Whether he exists or not, it sure is freeing to claim, "Satan made me do it," isn't it? -
As a Muslim I believe in Satan ,in Quran it mentioned Adam and Eve peace be up on them used to live in heave then Satan convinced them to eat from the forbidon Tree , and because of that humans are living on earth since then and they will only see it at the day of judgement when God give us his mersy.So satan got us out of heaven in the first place and with God welling we will be back in it .-
If you'll read it closely, you'll see that Adam and Eve made a decision that led to being removed from the Garden of Eden. Yes, Satan enticed them, but they made their own decisions.
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Yes i do..... -
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Satan is the direct creation of man so man had an excuse to explain the stupidity of his/her behavior. It is really that simple. Therefore, mankind should just drop this delusion and move onto what really matters, how do we as a species learn to coexist without harming each other.-
So, back to the question, Rene: do you think most Christians don't believe Satan exists?
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I think that a majority of Christians do not believe in Satan in the traditional biblical view, just as the same with God. However I could be wrong on this. I haven't really done a research poll that would suggest one way over another. Yes there are denominations that believe in God and Satan as told from the Bible however there are others who do not and simply utilize the Bible as a source of moral guidance not spiritual enlightenment.
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You're right, Rene, there are many types of Christians, and we may not be able to characterize all of them by one particular belief. You did give me an idea to see if any real research has been done about this - obviously questioning people on blogcatalog has brought out the silliness in some people rather than an actual discussion. Thanks for seriously answering my question!
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He's making a list,
checking it twice ...
Oh, wait. That's Santa. -
Satan exists. He just has really bad PR people. The whole thing about human sacrifices and all of those little girls he's possessed in Mexico, has been blown way out of proportion. Sure, it's happened once or twice. But Satan is also responsible for lawyers, insurance companies, the nation of Belgium, Hormel: the makers of Spam, etc.
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I don't believe Satan exist. -
Satan lives across the street from me. He uses his freaking lawn blower every day and it's loud as hell.-
And let me guess: he lied to you about where he disposes of the leaves?
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I'm a Catholic, so some self-described Christians won't think I'm a Christian - but, yes, I think Satan / the adversary exists.
I also think Washington, D.C., and the Lourvre exist, although I haven't seen either: and would have a tough time proving that either were real, to a sufficiently skeptical person.-
About pop culture: I actually (slightly) prefer this take on Satan to the 'he's really a nice guy, once you get to know him' approach of about a half-century ago.
On the other hand, 'Satan as a courteous chap' resulted in a few entertaining movies. Not memorable, though: I can't remember a single title. -
Interesting perspective. All of those approaches lull us into thinking evil is not really evil...but you're right, it's easier to say he doesn't exist at all than to say he's a nice guy and just misunderstood (perhaps he had a bad childhood?).
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Satan do exist in this world.They have their mission instead..whatever their mission is,its clearly lead to the dark side!-
So Satan has a multiple personality disorder?
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Yes but he is afraid of me! I am hunting him to crush him underneath my feet! -
Yes, at this stage leaning towards him either being my boss or the tax man! -
I am a christian and believe that Satan does exist. But I believe that he was defeated by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We are more than conquerers. Yes Satan has power but because if you accepted Jesus Christ as Lord, "Greater is He(Jesus) that is in you than he(satan) that is in the world. -
Yes..unless the whole "Rachael Ray" thing is done with puppetry.-
Leave Rachel alone!
SHE IS AN ANGEL.
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Satan doesn`t exist. It is an imaginary person and as most of the Bible is imaginary too.
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