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Do you believe science or god?
Posted by speedyeoh • 5/30/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: God, law of attraction, science
I reading many material in the internet about god. Someone said jesus is the god, but I found out somethings biggest than jesus is a god for all human. In science, i can call it an universe, someone behind the universe to create the energy. Which the energy is a form of a god. When you learn spiritual, you learn a sound of a spiritual of someone talking with you. is that yourself, a god or inner soul.
I also came across many material about bible code. But after learning and testing out the law of attraction. I slowly realise, is that a power of science? You can even achieve somethings without even need a god. Who is actually giving you a dream that make it happen for you? If you practive the law of attraction, you will have another point of view.
Who is giving me the love? god? demon? or myself? I just follow the law of the universe, why should I still border about who is my god?
I have little bit confuse here and would like to found out some answer.
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I believe in myself!! Jesus was one of us (human beings), but a person who exercised his thinking himself, not through books or others.
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Except for fake scientists, science is not about belief, it's about rational hypothesis that she must accept to question when some facts show the hypothesis is questionable.
Today many people do not believe in Bible's God but they do believe in Mystical stuffs like the Secret which is on the same level of Irrationality than Bible's God.
The only thing rational for science is to accept that she hasn't got the absolute answer, that the question of a God is a rational question because of entropy question for example, but that any answer currently known is far fetched.-
If you believe the Secret works, from scientific point of view, it will rather be considered as a placebo psy effect because it is the most rational hypothesis.
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You are presuming that omnipotent supernatural beings exist.
I make no such presumption.
Science does not have the answer to everything, but because we do not yet know the answer does not mean the answer is "God(s) did it."
I think it is OK to say "We don't know that yet," and not need to credit/blame some other entity, real or imagined.-
I think the science is a method or skill to prove somethings that exactly happen or appear or things in this world. I know the science can't show many things because of our technology is still not reach that stage or advancement like what UFO did. However, I agree on what you said here. We really can't blame it is did by god. But, many things that really stated in bible code. That's somethings future is happen that really stated that. Who is jesus? who is so free to follow jesus writing everythings.
I still remember Donald Trump very encourage us to read history. Many successful people today reading history include bible. As what donald trump said, :" everythings happen in the history will repeat again" in this statement alone, can I make a confirmation that all the things happen that have stated in bible actually is not talking about the futures? It just a history that will repeat again and again. Just like tsunami...it will happen may be for the next 50 years.
As what secret said:"everythings biggest than us, you can label them what ever you want"
Everyone is label with their own name. but, it doesn't mean it is a god. But, I came a cross many christinity believe theirs believe is a god.
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You seem to speak of science and religion as if those were the only two options. What of philosophy? The scientist seeks the HOW whereas the philosopher seeks the WHY. The scientist will never find the whys, only the hows of the whys. You might like to peruse my blog for an overview of realistic thought.-
That's why I open the this discussion hope to find out somethings we have miss out.
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They are not mutually exclusive... -
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zupi , you write funny, you make me laugh on ground -
science?....How can you really be assured that some so called "scientific fact" is a real fact. Scientific knowledge is created by man and as such it is not fool proof.
Take the case of the 'Nebraska man'. It was a single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 and was seen as the evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.
So how can you relay on science which may or maynot be true. Finally you need to 'believe' in science...it is not as rational as it seems...-
I agree. But not only was science invented by man, religion was written by man. Even if it is the word of God, it is written by the hand of man.
You are right though, there is so much science that does not make sense, and so much more we need to learn, and open up to, but I open my pharmacology textbook, and the first few pages are dedicated to calling all alternative treatments bollocks.
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What do you thing first ? both all of this term is right. -
I Will Love To Believe My Dog Which I Do Not Have In Present!-
I pity you....
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There Is No Need To Concern Madam!
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There is a 17th century philosiphy, called deism, based on the belief that God made the world, then left it to run according to scientific and natrual law.
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I believe in God and I believe there is legitimate science.
I believe a proper view/understanding of God and a proper scientific process will never be in contradiction. -
God is an idea that let's us relive ourselves ... science is the reality. When science cannot answer / solve a problem, we start believing God for that particular situation. Like you get cancer, science can not help you any more... now ball goes to God's court.
We have created the idea of God and created science on some other ideas and facts.
So, I would say, better believe both. Who knows which may help?-
cancer is a diseases, and many diseases actually have a answer from science today. Like acidic body, oxidation that create more dead cell in our body. When we look back on natural healing, many cancer patient actually survive with alternative medication like herbs, fruit, natural living and so on.
But, if we believe on soul which can said it is a a spirit living in our body. If we though all creature have soul. So, how the science can duplicate dog, goat and any type of animal with a stemcell or cell. So, who is living in their body? because the dog now is created by man and it is not considered naturally form by birth.
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You have a strange logic. If you believe in soul so in God, then it is logics that God will give a soul to any new body.
Now God is a Holy shit invented in the Bible so ...
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God created science....
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So who is create god?
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I speak for myself. God is one and he is omnipresent. God is Love and Love is God. God is within you. God created the world but you are asking who created god?
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Well to be completely honest i not sure myself....but i think both plays important role....it really depends on the situation ...there are somethings in life that science can't explain and i think that is where god plays the role but if there is logical thing science is perhapes the best answer......so i don't know....but for me i believe in both .....come to think of it don't everyone -
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Being a scientist and believing in god I am torn between both worlds, and I think its a stable balance because neither one over takes the other. Faith in my mind is like air, its invisible but you take it into yourself. Also science it like discovery, always the need to push farther and find out within safe and sometimes not safe measures, what if??? -
Everyone here acts as if the two were mutually exclusive...
Some might say science AND God(s)?-
oh, right. beat me to it
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Why does OP assume they are mutually exclusive? o_0
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I'm trying to do something here don't mess me up travelocity
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wha?
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ur messin me up
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God God God
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Please, please me oh yeah, like I please you ...
I'm just joking you already stated God way up there ^
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/do-you-believe-science-or-god#comment_108...
Then you said: "I'm trying to do something here don't mess me up travelocity"
Well, I can't see a comment posted by travelocity in this thread.
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No offence intended - just having fun.
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Neither God nor science provide satisfactory answers to everything. -
It's more like maths: There is an unknown quantity that you assume to be 'x'. Similarly, to the question, "What explains this universe?" the unknown quantity is "GOD", because people can't hope to answer this question in their lifetime -
Is anyone listening to me? Why are they seen as mutually exclusive? Science is used to explain HOW something happens. God is used to explain WHY something happens.
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Yes, yes, we've all read Inherit The Wind. -
"God is used to explain WHY something happens."
Why is there so much evil in the world?
Why has God gone away?
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Science, though I know science and religion can work together in a strange sort of way. -
Both - as I've never considerd either to be mutually exclusive of the other. -
Science and belief in god are in no way mutually exclusive. The conflict arists when people take certain stories from the bible literally (Adam and Eve, for example).
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If you haven't read or heard of Richard Feynman, you should.
check out this short clip.
About 5 min into this he starts discussing science and religion.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=taEw97brZis
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I believe in me. The power of god is within me and I'm not talking about man's definition of god.
I can use my statement as a psychological motivation for me to empower myself to achieve my life's purpose. -
There is nothig extraordinary in science. When they found something, people always over reacted, saying like they are god, or approve science as their way in life. If that so, how about the science in shit? Does they believe E-coli and other shit, colon bacteria as their god?
Also, when you are saying about god. Which god here? even I can't pick the real god anymore. -
Science is what man has named the professional pursuit in finding Natural laws. I believe what they are actually discovering are God's laws. Everything was made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.
God as I know him is our Heavenly Father who in essence knew us before we were born and when we reached a certain point in our progression sent us to Earth to be born, much like an individual does when they go off to college after graduating High School. Parents and others spent years preparing them knowing that day would come. Hopefully the one who is being sent takes advantage of the wisdom and opportunities that are part of making them successful. That is why some people seem to flourish in this life and others seem to struggle,
So for me Earth is much like a someone being sent off to college, and our entire life is an eternal school, and for Eternal progression to continue you must pass the test that you were sent to Earth to experience or at least continue the progression. Everyone has different experiences, life missions and things they were commissioned to accomplish in accepting the call to come to Earth.
I believe we made many promises and agreed to search things out and rediscover our relationship with God. Now God did not hang us out to dry in sending us here, he sent many with us, many agreed a portion of their responsibility was to seek say yourself out and work together and guide, nudge or show you the way back to Heavenly Father so that you could accomplish your life mission.
Some of these people are called your mom, Dad, Uncle Bobs, teacher, coach, Dr. Congressman, Pastor, Rev, Actor, Musician, Rock Star, best friend, spouse, son, daughter, bum on street corner, chat, or twitter friend etc.
That is a small part of the picture I want to leave with you and hope this gets you thinking more as concern about confusion can be a very motivating thing, and start one heading in the right direction for further enlightenment.
Some ask If God is God why does he let bad things happen, the answer is bad things are a part of life, how can we as God's children really appreciate total happiness, or joy if we haven't become familiar with sadness, grief, etc? Someone who has experienced discomforts appreciates comforts much more just like someone who has been without things, will appreciate what they have much more than someone who has never been without.
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"Some ask If God is God why does he let bad things happen, the answer is bad things are a part of life . . . . "
Please don't think I'm being critical, because I do value everyone's right to an opinion. However, I've heard this before, and it always seems like a desperate attempt to explain that which cannot be explained in a world ruled by a loving and benevolent God.
It seems to me that the God of the Old Testament is quite different from the God of the New Testament. The God of the Old Testament was jealous and vengeful, and may possibly have been the greatest mass murderer in history. The God of the New Testament on the other hand, was portrayed as kind and benevelont - more in line with what one would expect from an omnipotent being.
Since the God of the Old Testament exhibited more human traits than divine ones, it seems feasible that he was merely a member of an advanced race, worshipped like a god by the humans because of his superiority. The other gods that God mentions frequently, could therefore be other members of the same race, most with their own followers. Some "gods" (like the ones of the Egyptians and Babylonians) gave their followers knowledge (law, medicine, warfare) and allowed them to build great empires. The God of the Israelites however, ruled his people with an iron fist and taught them to fear him. He never allowed them the great empires that the followers of the other gods had.
Then 3000 years or so ago, the "gods" seemed to go away. And now we're left here on earth with only science. No more gods to guide us.
So then who was Jesus? And who was the kind, loving and caring Father of which he spoke? Was he the creator of this alleged superior race? Was it him that they worshipped while humans were worshipping them? Or is it just science and nothing more?
I don't know! I don't have all the answers.
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Science and God are forever entwined. In truth, He tells us we should be able to understand the science behind His creation.
For example: only now are scientists exploring massive fault lines in the Middle East, newly-discovered faults which may have erupted during Moses' time. The Biblical plagues are, by some, being attributed to the short and long term effects of massive quakes in the region.-
Thank you! I like that approach.
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i believe in $$$
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shall we start calling you ACHEmpire?
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LMFAO!!! i also believe in a hot man with 500k liquid assets.
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Religion is bs.
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In reply to NT77 I would just say there is nothing desperate at all in my explanation, I was just touching on Universal laws, there are opposites in all things. Examples: hot/cold poverty/wealth grave illness/excellent health, bitter/sweet etc, those that build and those that tear down, etc.
In the old testament they were under the law and were dealt with strictly and were to keep it precisely and exactly as God gave it to them. In the new testament Jesus Christ taught God's new law that Christ's life's mission was to fulfill. He lived a perfect life as to become a Perfect sacrifice and what changed is those who accept him will be under his grace, and those who reject him will be under the full penalties of the law that God gave in the Old Testament.
In the new testament we as believers are to live our lives having faith in and obedience to Christ and his commandments are as I have loved you love one another, by this shall men know that you are my disciples. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy strength and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. On these lie all the commandments and the Prophets. He paid the perfect sacrifice satisfying the laws of Justice and mercy and therefore those who will accept and follow him through repentance and the miracle of forgiveness, can be cleaned by his blood and not suffer as he had to suffer to claim us his and to conquer death and hell. He also says that we should forgive others of their trespasses against us as he has forgiven ours against him.
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I hope you weren't offended by my use of the word "desperate."
Personally I think the words of the New Testament are a fabrication of man for various reason, starting with Saul (Paul), right on through Bishop Ambrose of Milan and into the Middle Ages. I therefore seek the Truth through other sources, though I do not discredit the Bible entirely.
Nonetheless I do admire your faith and the relationship that you have with God and Jesus. Best wishes to you and you family
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Both are manifestation of human mind. Our Earth history is far longer than human existence. -
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There is no evidence of a divine creator, so making that assumption is illogical. It is incomprehendable for the human mind to wrap its mind around the complexity of the nature of existence (i'm talking beyond our universe here), thus making a statement that shows certainty towards the nature of existence is like claiming you can fly by flapping your arms, which is impossible.
Science is a system of acquiring knowledge based on scientific method, and to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research. It is the only reliable method humans have of gaining knowledge of the universe and possibly beyond and will always be the only method because only through critical analysis and peer-review can you come to a conclusion about a natural phenomenon.
Lastly when I say god I mean a theistic god in the broadest sense and not one affiliated with any bogus religious dogma. Secondly I do not deny the existence of a creator but it is unwise to believe in something without evidence. I think it is unlikely that a creator could exists however. -
Science and God are not exclusive from each other. Science is from God and by God. I believe in the God of the Bible. Why? Not because I was raised to believe it but because it is more logical to believe so. I believe that earth existed because God designed and created it. In the same way that you are seeing my post here because I purposely wrote it. It was not by chance. Science will also tell you that. Do you know that earth is in the exact position where we can see and know more of the universe? If earth moves slightly away from its orbit, we will all die in an instant. This is from science. Someone must be holding earth in its position. The One that holds the earth in its exact position and so preserves all of our lives is God.-
But considering that there are uncountable numbers of planets in the universe, it is very likely that you could find at least one other planet with earth-like characteristics.
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Also, if the earth was away from its orbit, we may have evolved in another form.
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The God of the Old Testament is the same with the God of the New Testament. HE never changes. The Old testament talks more of laws. Laws are unable to save anyone from sin and its consequences. We are all incapable of following all the laws so we can have our way to heaven. The law was given to point us to the Only Way to Heaven and that is JESUS CHRIST! The New Testament is about JESUS. Actually, if you read more of Old Testament, you will find that much of it actually points to JESUS.
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I think there is much evidence for the Divine Creator. Nothing happens or gets created by chance. Look around. Even the smallest of nature will tell you that Someone Divine and Intelligent created all that we see. We can not even exhaust all that could be learned from His creation.
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You cannot set standards in the universe. The universe is not big and complex, it is bigger and more complex than you. And just because you can't understand something doesn't mean you have to resort to superstition.
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If the truth of a creator was so evident I don't think their would be doubters but there are, So that means there is both a creator and no creator. -
The first comment here by GenuineWoman just sparked an ironic idea in my head. Christians see the coming of Jesus as the setting free of man-kind right? Yeah, set free to join a religion with more rules and more threatening punishments than the Roman's ever had... -
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@lastingmarriages,
quote : "The God of the Old Testament is the same with the God of the New Testament. HE never changes"
With all due respect, I really have to disagree with this. As I mentioned earlier in this post, the God of the Old Teastament acted more like a spoiled human. He was jealous, vengeful, cruel and uncaring. It was nothing to him to have innocent children massacred (Leviticus 26:22), or to insist on the destruction of a whole city if some inhabitants happened to be worshipping other gods (Deuteronomy 13:12-16). From the very beginning he cared little about humans, having Adam and Eve running around in the Garden of Eden like a couple of mindless fools and lying about the forbidden fruit, saying that they'd die on the same day they ate it (Genesis 2:17). It took the snake to have Eve call God on his lie, and only because of the snake did humans end up with any knowledge at all (Genesis 3:5).
The God of the New Testament on the other hand, was, according to Jesus, full of love, kindness and compassion. The God of the New Testament would never have wiped out whole cities or punished several generations as did the God of the Old Testament. If these gods were one in the same, then something caused him to have a greater transformation than did Dicken's Ebeneezer Scrooge on Christmas morning.
Rather than believe that God decided he had make a mistake, having given us laws that we cannot follow, I think it more realistic that they were not the same being. As I mentioned earlier in this post, the God of the Old Testament's human behavior makes it seem feasible that he was simply a member of an advanced race, worshipped like a god by the humans because of his superiority. This "God" of the Old Testament, got really jealous if anyone worshipped any other gods. It would therefore make sense that there were others out there like him, most having their own followers. Some "gods" (like the ones of the Egyptians and Babylonians) gave their followers knowledge (law, medicine, warfare) and allowed them to build great empires. The God of the Israelites however, ruled his people with an iron fist and taught them to fear him. He never allowed them the great empires that the followers of the other gods had.
Just like you say that much of the Old Testament points to Jesus, much also points to the existance of other gods, or beings like God. The statement attributed to God in Genesis 3:22 not only mentions other gods, but indicates that, after the eating of the forbidden fruit (a metaphor for 'being taught') we are like the gods too.
As for the laws, many seem to just be instructions for trying to make an uncivilized race civil. In Deuteronomy 23:12-14 God even gives instructions on what to do when one is in a military camp and has to crap. He instructs that people leave the camp, dig a hole and bury what they do. This, he says, is because when he's walking around the camp he doesn't want to see anything "unclean." This seems much more like teachings for an inferior race than Divine law.
A further point for the Old God being more like a superior human is that he only hung around ancient Mesopotamia and the surrounding areas. There were other people at the same time in all other parts of the world. Why would he create them and then just turn his back on them. I understand that Jesus supposedly make a new covenant with everyone, but that still doesn't explain God's behavior.
Then about 3000 years or so ago, all the gods went away. Jesus spoke of God the Father, but if he were the same god, he never walked among his people anymore. As for Jesus, he himself left no writings. We therefore have no way of knowing exactly what his teachings were. Most of what is presented to us in the New Testament was written long after his death, and it has been altered throughout the centuries. Plus, many old writings that were at odds with their teachings were destroyed by the Christians.
Jesus never wanted a new religion. The religion that today calls itself Christianity was invented by Paul, or Saul as he was originally known. He was a professed enemy of Jesus's teachings at first, and saught to stop whatever Jesus's true message had been, from spreading. Only later, after claiming that the Risen Jesus had appeared to him, did he convert. Many of the doctrines and dogmas
of Christianity come from him, and not Jesus. What better way to end Jesus's teachings than to take control of his followers and then change the message?
And what better message to win converts from the gentiles that eternal life, from the "Son of God" who just happened to have many of the attributes of the pagan gods which the gentiles were familiar with.
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I don't think believe is the right word. But if I the options were Science or God, then Science without a doubt - because Science admits it doesn't know everything, God's got this whole arrogance thing going where he reckons he knows the meaning of life...CUH! What a douche.
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I believe that religion created God to keep us in line. . . . .
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I believe that humans created religion to find a higher purpose.
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I think the real argument is in us. Rather it is with doubt and love than with words. Science is a language of the universe, religion is another and so is spirituality. But the universe needs one verse. These three conflicts are probably on a smaller scale in everyones minds and souls.
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Science explains that matter/energy never dies, it recycles itself. In religion, reincarnation is the rebirth of the soul. Now if we combine science and religion, what do we get? If there's such a thing as the "soul", then it would be energy and since energy never dies, what happens to it when the physical body dies? It recyles itself and the only way it could do that is through reincarnation. Something has got to be in place to foster this intricate process, wouldn't it? So there's got to be a Creator up there. -
I believe both. They go hand in hand since God created science. -
I believe all the theorems because perhaps one or more is correct. Just to be on the safe side. -
If you want to know what`s really happening on the Earth, Universe? What is our body and mind? I can give you the link where you will find this unique knowledge. This has nothing to do with religion and modern science.-
Ok, i am waiting for the link please ??
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I believe in both, in god and science, human being discovered science and use it for the develop of the world, all need to believe in god because human beings are not enough good to be in power, though they do what they want in reality and for that the world is a ugly place in general.-
I do believe both too. But it's just because natural science has limits for understanding the nature.
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My answer is BOTH. I just started reading a new book called "Quantum Gods". Maybe I'll have a more detailed answer after I finish.
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