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Do you believen in heaven and hell?
Posted by virtualassist • 7/01/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: believe, death, God, heaven, hell, truth
I believe that there is a heaven, but I believe earth is actually the hell that is spoken of. Don't get me wrong, my life isn't hell. I just find it hard to believe there is a hell as described.
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I believe in God but not in heaven or hell. I believe our reward for a life well lived is the ability to appreciate the people and things we love and those that love us. To fully recognize and appreciate your blessings is heaven to me. -
The bible speaks of both. Hell doesn't thrill me either, but picking and choosing what I want to believe doesn't make it go away. -
Hell is seeing these pointless discussions popping up on the BC discussion board all day when these questions have already been asked before.-
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wait you have to include purgatory too.-
Don't forget limbo.
And the elemental plane of water. Why not? -
That's right! No picking/choosing!!!!
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I do -
voodooKobra
These discussions may seem pointless to you but they aren't to others. I'm new here, and If I have a question I want to ask then I will. If you don't want to read them, then don't. But there is no need to reply with your nasty remarks either.-
This is not the first time this question has been asked, though. Try using the Search feature some time.
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- ****head desk****
There 17 pages of threads in this question
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/search.php?q=heaven+and+hell
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@Holly
- It seems you have forgotten what you said when you returned to BC and reverted back to your past behaviors. I'm sorry soooo sorry
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/im-sorry-soooo-sorry
Allow me to make myself abundantly clear on the issue of you making statements that indicate you can read my mind and the minds of other BC members, hurl insults us, and taunt us to report you -- stop it!
You are NOT a mindreader. You do NOT have Admin tools, therefore you do not know who is clicking the report button so stop pretending that you do.
You have reverted to name calling once again as you did in the past --- stop it!
The bottom line here is:
(1) If you do not speculate and share what you think is going on in my mind, then I won't speculate share what I think goes on in yours;
(2) If you do not think mean thoughts about me, do not judge me and do not insult me, then I will not think mean thoughts about you, judge you , and insult you;
(3) If you do not call me names then I wont' call you names.
Not surprisingly, those are the basic agreements based on respect that we make in order to become and remain members of any social network. Those are the guidelines you agreed to be a member of BC. -
@Holly
I am hoping you will re-commit to respecting the guidelines for forum posting. I know you can do that if you truly want to and I'm hoping that you will. -
Yea!
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I thought the bible did say there is a literal hell
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Nope, not to my knowledge! There is a questionable reference in Revelations, but in context it doesn't translate literally.
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The question is NOT:
Did the writers of the books in The Bible believe in heaven and hell?
The question is:
Do you believe in heaven and hell?
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Jesus only mentioned Gehenna (hell) in parables. There is no ohter mention other than Jesus parables. Sheol is the hebrew word for grave, with no mention of inferno or suffering of any kind.
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No. -
Ok travelocity, what does that mean?
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well, I can't say what it means definitively, but i'd say that the evidence is shaky. (that's as diplomatic as I can be... sorry)
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haha! travelocity boy! -
Well why not,you said jesus has parables,what does that mean?
And don't pay any attention to monkey boy,he's just silly -
well parables... heres the wiktionary definition:
'A short narrative illustrating a lesson (usually religious/moral) by comparison or analogy'
Jesus taught mostly in this form, likely because it was less likely to violate religious laws of that time.
He drew on material that his audience could relate to, for instance money was/is important in Jewish culture. Also local traditions like the perpetual burning garbage dump (Gehenna) as a threat to wayward children (much as Santa Claus not bringing presents might be used today). At some point his parables of Gehenna (as punishment to the greedy and merciless) became intertwined with the Hellenic tradition of Hades' Underworld from Greek mythology. The name Hell is probably a corruption of Sheol (hebrew for 'grave') even though a place of perpetual suffering was not a part of Hebrew traditions--only death.
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No ur not rambleing,but I know it says in the bible somewhere,it teaches and preaches of a litteral hell,with fire and brimstone.
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I think it is somewhere towards the end
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you may want to ask your pastor for study points on the subject. It isn't my purpose to step on your beliefs but I do believe that it is good to be knowledgable in what one believes.
Bearing in mind that Wikipedia is volunteered information, and can be sketchy, here is their article on the subject
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@CA, you are talking about judgement day, no? If I recall, the fire itself was perpetual. It doesn't really say that the souls of sinners will exist perpetually within the flames. One might just as easily conclude that they are consumed.
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I was just making a smartass comment
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oh, right... should've known
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as a Theology major I choose to opt out of this discussion as I would blow all of your minds.
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What else are you going to use a Theology degree for? Blow our minds. -
so far I have used it for nothing but my personal edification
I can't do it...it would violate a code of 'understanding' -
Yea,that's why I was ignoring him gnome. Now monkey man u went to seminairy,tell me what u know.
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"code of understanding"... what does that mean???!
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you cannot fit what I know into a small text box. It takes years of translation to get a good understanding. I am sorry but I cannot help you.
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Yea u can, and your going to on this subject at least. So does the bible say there is a literal heaven and hell in "revealations"? I know what the book was called,duh
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@CA
your capstone project was on the economics of church finance, comparing the incomes of those churches which preach hellfire damnation, and those who dont? o_0 -
What project are u talking about,and why are you trying to change the subject? Hmmmmm mr. Gnome man
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revelations is not a very good yardstick for anything apart from the fact that there could be a little bit of trouble brewing down stream or even in the present times.
Revelation is the best book to use to start a cult from, and by the way the prophecies were written via the Sound Current ( Surat Shabd Yoga) and mutilated by fundamentalists. -
Why do you say that? Are you or were you catholic? Where are you from again?
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@HH
I was talking about his theoligy degree capstone... just funning -
Holy who are you asking?
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agit8r is from Gnomeria
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@ gnome
Gotcha,where did he run off to I wonder? -
Oopsy daisy I was talkin to u panda bear
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Holly - Jesus taught in parables of Gehenna - literally a garbage incinerator outside of town - as an example of what death (without resurrection) was. It is permanent destruction. The people used ot throw the (dead) bodies of criminals into the incinerator so that their deeds and name were not honored - they were not honored with marked (memorial) graves. But these criminals were already dead.
What does that tell us about what happens during the resurrection? It tells us that those who are not "in the memorial graves" (those deemed worthy of being resurrected) will not hear the voice of Jesus, and will not be resurrected from the dead. (or actually, recreated since the alternative is a bit zombish). They are dead permanently. Done. Zip, zilch, nada. They are not brought back to life to be tortured.
The story of Lazarus confirms the biblical teaching that death is like a dreamless sleep. When he was brought back to life, he did not tell any stories of bright lights, pearly gates, heaven or hell. He simply awoke as if from a deep sleep.
In Revelations, there is one passage that refers to a fiery pit in which DEATH (it also refers to false religions and false governments being thrown in with Satan) is thrown into and destroyed permanently. Obviously death is not a person or thing, nor are religions, governments etc. These are ideas - ideas that will be permanently destroyed once Judgment day is over, and the final test is finished.
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@ anok I'm gonna have to read that 3 or 4 x's and let it sink in,so u don't think there is a literal hell?
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I think what she means is the "fire and brimstone" hell is not supported by her understanding of the Bible.
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Hey Holly - from what I've read there is no biblical support of a literal hell (satan with red horns, fire, brimstone, eternal damnation, torture that sort of thing). Hell is, quite literally, the absence of life in paradise. (With God - the garden of eden so to speak).
Hell is permament destruction without any memorial to remember you by. I can e mail you the scriputures if you want?
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no not at all, there are multiple worlds coexisting in the the Present, hat includes the past and future.
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By the way, do teenage children count as a valid answer?
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As far as heaven, it goes well back in Hebrew traditions. Jesus spoke of it in his teachings, though it would be hard to be certain that he meant a literal heavenly kingdom in the sky. He also stated "The Kingdom of God is upon you." The early Christian church lived very much as those who would later try to create heaven on earth. Acts chapter 4 describes a communitarian group politic, which the Roman government found as subversive as later empires would find the later secular preachers of "heaven on earth." Eventually Rome would come under Christian rule (through conversion of Emporers) and became a welfare state.
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in some translations He said "The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You" and also "Many Mansions in my Father's House"
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Only as mental states. Hell is paranoia; heaven is openness. -
I have lived in Hell for a while but I managed to escape, it was a place called Woodside in Aberdeen.......-
in Washington State, USA?
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No Scotland, United Kingdom
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No I don't believe in either mentioned places.
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then you've never worked at a mall in an overgrown mill-town...
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You are correct, but I do live in an industrialised polluted town full of grimness
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- Do you believen in heaven and hell?
NO! Ideas, theories and beliefs are not necessarily truths.
A belief is not an idea held by the mind; it is an idea that holds the mind.
Powerful paternalists created this huge myth as a means for social control. The purpose of religions based on the reward and punishments model is to bribe and scare people into obeying the doctrine and dogma created by those who have control issues.
I am not a child who functions on the reward and punishment model and I am amazed when I meet other adults who choose to cling to such childlike beliefs.
I find it hard to believe that any intelligent adult would choose to live their life based upon the deluded expectation of gaining some reward following death for being good when they were alive, because I'm quite capable of being good for goodness sake.
I likewise find it hard to believe that any intelligent adult would choose to live their life based upon being good under the threat that if they fail they will be punished following death by being tossed into imaginary hellfires, by a "loving" God.
In case you haven't guessed it, I have very strong POV on the religious heaven and hell (reward and punishment) model and have blogged on this subject.
thistimethisspace.com/2009/07/01/life-eternal-the-great-cosmic-joke/ -
I think we make our own heaven and hell right here on earth. Every moment with every thought and action we make heaven or hell.
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The best definition of Hell, as provided by Mephistophilis in Marlowe's "Doctor Faustus":
Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
Thinkst thou that I who saw the face of God,
And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells,
In being deprived of everlasting bliss?
Hell lies being denied happiness and having it totally denied. It's something that can happen in this life, potentially the next. -
The metaphysical heaven and hell of the bible and other religions surely does not exist. Pascal's wager is a fool's bet. -
Of course I do! God's Word, the Holy Bible, speaks of each as real places.
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