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Do You Believe In God? Yes Or No
Posted by palscience • 11/25/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: God, religion
Hello all,,
This is a simple question but the answer might be complex. I want you to tell me if you blieve in God or not. If you said Yes, tell me one reason why. and if you said no, tell me one reason why not? Deal?
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sometimes. I'm not sure yet.
most often not. but there have been a few instances in my life when I was sure there was.-
like what instances do you believe that God is real? -
When you spell it "nature." -
When I was in my early twenties I felt feed up with feeling unsure about who God was and what he wanted for me. I prayed for him to show me the truth and what to believe about it all, and he came through in a big way. For me God does exist and has showed me in a number of different ways, but I don't think it's wrong to doubt.
If you want to know for sure and can get past feeling silly I suggest praying that God proves his existence to you. Then it will be up to Him to help you believe or let you know otherwise. -
life's too precious to be filled with such a doubt as the way u think of that matter...step out of the doubt...take ur own decision now cuz tmorrow u might not have ur chance to take it... -
Most assuredly, I do.
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Thank your hatingtherain for your honest answer. Appreciate it.
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you're welcome.
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I was an athiest for most of my life, but a few things have happened to make me think there are other possibilities.
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inspiring hatingtherain !!!!
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@hatingtherain same here, there's just to much going on, too many patterns for there not to be something bigger at work. I'll leave it at that, because I believe no one answer is correct. -
@benspak- I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I believe no one answer is correct.
I think that may be the case too. -
Indeed very inspiring..
My YES is a similar one. I came to have very personal experiences with what I would call "God" and these experiences, along with things I just can't explain, have drawn me from a thinking faith that I was raised in to a feeling faith component that continues to amaze me.
Doubt is natural.. I don't know any of my Christian friends who have never doubted.
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No, embarrassingly improbable...
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a lot of improbable things still occur.
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I doesn't have to be Yes or No - it can be maybe. -
yes there is a god, and i believe-
care to say why?
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Yo (a mix of yes and no) We cannot know anything for sure, I lean more towards yes, or else my answer would have been "Nes", but I'm not sure about the Christian attributes given to God (old bearded man). I'd think the entity or being would be either sexless or else a woman.-
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What?! "Old bearded man"??? I am a Christian, and that is clearly not the description of God recorded in the scriptures!
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I personally believe in a super natural being "God" who control all the universe
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The ancient Egyptians, you know my friend, used to worship the baboon as their god of wisdom. They did this because at the dawn of every day, when the sun began to rise on the horizon, the baboons would sit and watch the sun coming up. This was seen as a sign of great wisdom. Since the Egyptians used also to worship the sun, they saw this innate knowledge on the part of the baboons as a reflection of the divine Wisdom.
well.. I really don't think worship the sun is smart thing, specially in the year 2008
I would say this is ridicules! People used to pray only for what they can see with their own eyes so they can believe it exist, but they forgetting a very important thing all the time that God has to be above everything, He is more than power itself, He is the fountain of life, Who gives you life when you wake up everyday.
So there must be something more powerful than anything else in this world, more powerful than anything we sow before and meet in this life, I think by logic we can NOT see God that easy.. we can NOT meet Him just like that at any time we want.. Who we think we are to ask God to show himself to us? Why he would listen to us and show Himself?!.. It's more logic that we can NOT see God.. It's lots more logic that we should believe in God with out seeing Him, because this is the trick!
Believe on God Like if you see Him and He is with you everywhere!
Yes I believe in God and I have told you why I believe in him, Thanks for the great discussion I was really surprised when I sow that all those comment in 3 days since you have posted it. Amazing! -
In my limited experience, the worship of logic can really get in the way of meeting or experiencing God/Goddess/Higher Power/etc.
Idolatry and all that.
It all got much easier for me when I begin to let go...
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Gawd.-
What do u mean WilDip?
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He made a lol
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WilDip - that was not very reasoned. Perhaps Yuuuk, or Jesus Christ Almighty? And also not very compassionate, a lot of people think like that - they can't help it, for god's sake.
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I believe in A god, but not the God you refer to. The reason for both; God has to be logical and fair.-
I belive that God have ninety-nine names, one hundred minus one.
Some of the names are:
Al-Wadud — The Loving
Al-Khaliq — The Creator
Al-Ahad — The One
Al-Aziz — The Mighty and Strong
These names are for the God.. Allah.. The one! -
agree with you sebastian, you made the best point "god has to be logical and fair" which he is not. and it proves there is no god -
How do you think that God is not fair?
just because you have some troubles in life you think that God is not fair?
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why does God have to be logical or fair. there is no reason for that. and a lot of things might seem illogical when you only know part of the story. and if there is a God, I can bet you we only know part of the story.
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I think using simple human concepts like "fair" and "logic" to limit a higher power is a bit arrogant...
Logic is useful to a certain degree... Sex education gives young people a somewhat 'logical' understanding of sex and reproduction... but it is never going to be anything like actually having sex or raising children. -
Goodness has to be just. a judge that loved people so much that he acquitted criminals "out of love" and glet they loose doing more evil is on loving. -
According to your logic?
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Yes, because with God all things are possible... I personally have seen death and come back-
Good for you, it means you are so lucky to have another chance!
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Me too DaVincis
see my post its at the bottom...
hb~ -
at Ramaskama
It wasn't my time yet..that would have sucked, if it had.. God is for everyone I don't think God discriminates no matter who you are~
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No. There is no evidence for god to exist.-
Then how come we "human" came about? Bing Bang?
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You're right! Let's just fall back on an unverified superstition instead of finding out the truth </sarcasm>
If you want to know where humans came from, I recommend The Ancestor's Tale by Richard Dawkins. He covers it quite extensively. -
To be honest, also there is no strong evidence that God does not exist. So I'm agnostic (I believe most people are).
P.S. I have some facts from cosmology that can make us to think that the world was created systematically. But it is still not enough to make statement that it is created by God. -
Exactly, just because there isn't proof doesn't make it untrue. And whether you start at creationism or the big bang you still have to ask the question, what happened just before that.
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I'll pass on the Dawkins, thank you.
Dogmatic 'Science' is much more annoying than dogmatic Religion... -
If intelligence and reason have any meaning and significance whatsoever, then logic and reason point to only one reasonable conclusion: if there is physical order and integrity in our universe, and not randomness---then there must be something beyond us that established and created it. The very laws of physics that describe the physical laws and forces governing the universe, identify the fact that all matter defaults to randomness UNLESS "work" maintains its orderliness. This is the "law of entropy".
A brick, for example, is an ordered, structured object because someone took specific material, formed it into a geometric shape, and heated it. Now, if you took a truckload of these bricks and randomly dumped them out, they would not form a cube or a sphere. It takes "work" to so structure that truckload of bricks.
Likewise, suppose you did put the work into the project and formed an orderly cube out of the bricks. If no one ever maintained that ordered structure, eventually it would break down into it's rudimentary components, returning to dust. Look at the ruins of ancient cities to see this obvious fact demonstrated.
If you acknowledge the law of entropy as being an undeniable reality, then logic and reason would demand an explanation as to how ordered, physical laws---and especially the existence of organic life itself---could come into existence unaided and uncreated.
If you find a wrist watch, even if you never knew what a wrist watch was, you would conclude that someone designed it and built it. It is reasonable for you to conclude this. Conversely, if you dismantled that watch completely and put all of its parts in a box, you would now have random parts. If an accident could bring these parts together again to form a watch---or ANY ordered thing---then maybe, just maybe, order can emerge out of chaos and randomness. (And with this example, I even gave you structured, ordered parts to start with.)
Is it "superstition" to reason from effect to a cause?
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Very profound choice. I'm not sure I can comprehend it all ; )
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I believe in many divine beings who reflect, proceed from, and return to the One Who is male and female and at the same time neither. This view has evolved from my own dreaming practice and the priesthood. For most, it wouldn't be a reason at all. For me, there's nothing else that makes sense, and to take away the Divine is to take away Light.-
you are playing with words here, and some one has played with you mind, u are just hopelessly directionless
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Incidentally we're all playing with words, here... whether we are aware of the fact or not...
And it is a safe bet that we have all been led and mislead by a variety of leaders... some known and some unknown
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Can you believe it? This same subject has been posted so many times that there are 60 pages of posts in the forum search box. pages
Question: Do you believe in God? Yes or No
(1) Which god are you referring to?
(2) Do you mean the God as Jews perceive him?
(3) Do you mean the the God of the Jews, which Christians have re-interpretated so as to enable their Christ centered religion?
(4) Or do you mean some other god?
This is a simple question but the answer might be complex. I want you to tell me if you blieve in God or not. If you said Yes, tell me one reason why. and if you said no, tell me one reason why not? Deal?
I do NOT believe in the Christian construct of God. IMO the myth that a non-existent big guy in the sky created all there is including mankind declared them very good, and later condemned all mankind to the hell fires of damnation (original sin), just so he could appear on earth as his own son born of a (cough) virgin (possibly impregnated by another non-existent supernatural being called an angel) to fulfill the role of savior, and rescue a select few who were chosen before the foundations of time, from the same hell fires of damnation at end times, if and only if they believe in him, is beyond ridiculous. IMO it's delusional.
I am an adult who was home schooled. Specifically, I come from a Christian evangelical fundamentalist background on both sides of my family. I was raised in the faith and I am a Bible School graduate who chose not to continue, submit a thesis and achieve a Masters degree. The best decision I ever made in my life was to toss the dogma and doctrine of Christianity into the trashcan, turn my back on the church, and learn how to meditate.
What I experience when I meditate and all the things associated with my "self" like greed, anger, hate, etc. dissolve is that there really is no self; there is no distinct being that is separate from the universal stream of pure consciousness -- quiet joy, peace, love ie. god.
Neither male nor female, neither good nor bad, neither light nor darkness but containing all there is and situate everywhere: the universal stream of pure life giving consciousness flowing through all is god. Hence, god is found in everyone and in everything; god just keeps on is-ing.-
Hey timethief, thanks for your answer. Some good points there.
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@palscience
You know what - the same stuff is in the searchbox we just "play it again Sam" when someone else starts another god thread. -
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Very well put. I concur -
This question asked as it is, is meaningless.The question must be qualified or it ia a mere statement and one has no idea of what God or set of beliefs or what you are negating.
Can we agree on this? Count Sneaky -
Thank you... I got very peaceful just reading this...
Then I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I saw "is-ing"
That's fun use of language.
One of my teachers has a great metaphor... every system of spiritual learning, growth, religion, etc. has something beneficial to offer (the bait), and it also has some sort of catch (the hook)... as clever seekers (fish), what we should endeavor to do is learn to nibble at the bait and avoid the hook...
keep smiling,
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We want a God that makes sense to us. There are many things that don't fit, like:
1 - God is Love. 2 - God is all powerful. 3-Terrible things happen.
The best thing i read about the impossibility of us figuring Him out is in the Book of job, from chapter 38 on... -
Wow! You were holding back. You really should post that. I'm with you on most points.
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I must, huh? Who's gonna make me?
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It's not really a "who" that is going to make you believe voodoo, it is perhaps just causality.
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Because I don't have free will, right? I'm the product of my genetics and my environment, right?
Well, my environment has led me to recognize the difference between reality and fiction, so the chance of me becoming religious is practically zero. -
Exactly Voodoo.
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is "comment removed by the community." kind of like "killed by the Guardians?" lol
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you don't have to be religious to believe in God
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wrong spot - see above
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Wait until I meet him and hear him. then , I decide-
You mean after you die? because there is no chance for you to meet God unless you are dead my friend!
Do you have a plan for death?
I wrote something about this with a video, maybe you would like to watch it:
mylifethinking.com/life/have-you-got-a-plan-for-death/
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I believe in cheeseburger god.-
Do you believe in the toothfairy too? It's really important to brush well when you have that much grease going down.
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I don't have any teeth. I believe in the cheesefairy though
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Cheeseburger God... He sounds tasty... I think I might already be a follower
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If you think there probably is a god, than submit your story to - www.thereprobablyis.com/
If you think there probably isn't a god, than submit your story to -
www.thereprobablyisnt.com/
I submitted to both! Read my stories here - www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2008/11/24/there-probably-isnt/ -
The is no evidence of the existence of god. The fact that science is unable to explain certain aspects of our world does not automatically mean that a god is responsible for it: it just means we don't know yet. (And, believe it or not, it is actually OK for us not to know the answers to some of the questions of the universe, we don't have to stick a god in the hole in our knowledge like a finger in a dike).
Man has created many gods over the millennia. What they all have in common is that they purport to explain natural phenomena. In a time that science was unable to explain much of anything, this was as good an explanation as any. But science has now explained much of our world, so much that it is a virtual certainty that some day it will be able to explain it all. The need for supernatural explanations of the natural world no longer exists.-
Are you an agnostic or an atheist?
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science is just an observer. there is no proof of God's existence, but also no proof of the contrary.Black holes also, are only speculation. I wonder why life happened "by chance" but it has been impossible to make organic matter in labs.
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@SweetViolet
Very nice post! The only one important thing - we can't say that science will discover "all". The more we know, the more we understand that there is even more to learn. That's actually the beauty of science, it never has "all" the answers. Religions claims it, rather pathetically, I think.
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Yes because Allah is the only god. -
I believe in God. Not only is the existence of a Creator a logical necessity, but there is plenty of evidence all around us. The most convincing evidence is in the form of subjective, mystical experience, and as they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.-
They also say, "horses can't drink from a mirage."
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I've never heard that one:)
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[Not only is the existence of a Creator a logical necessity, but there is plenty of evidence all around us.]
Citation needed. -
Sometimes VK you say the right things and I could just hug you! Good night! -
@voodooKobra is that what is says under "religion" on wikipedia? lol
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As humans, we need to know about God. And seeing both our intellectual and spiritual capacities, along with our limitations of penetrating the different layers of existence we live under, there is no better way, in fact there is no way altogether, to genuinely know about God except through God.
There is one more thing I would like you to think about it, God’s being has no end or beginning, He created the time only for all kind of creatures and humans, He has no age.. He owns the Time and the Place.. means we are only guests in this life, when you grow up my friend and reach older age you will feel that life is too short, you will feel you are leaving to some other place, and you will have a big doubt to where you are going.. At this time you will know that you are going to meet God, so it's up to you if you belive or not!
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I find great comfort in information/ Science/ Physics. I therefor do not believe in gods/devils or superstitions.-
How is science different from superstition?
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Gee, where to start... Science depends on reason, knowledge, empirical evidence, etc... superstition does not.
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I don't think it's as simple as you seem to believe, morgantj. Why do you trust that your reasoning is correct? What is the basis for knowledge? How do you know that empirical evidence is an accurate reflection of the thing in itself?
To believe science takes as much faith as any religion. There is a reason everything in science from evolution to gravity is just a "theory." -
[To believe science takes as much faith as any religion. There is a reason everything in science from evolution to gravity is just a "theory."]
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If Descartes is a troll, so be it.
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You're not Descartes.
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Non-sequitur. Even if reality is only an illusion, our understanding of the illusion is all that matters.
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The argument is not simply that reality may be an illusion but rather since it may very well be illusory there is no way to know it is internally consistent.
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If we notice an inconsistency, we make note of it. If reality isn't real, it doesn't matter. If there is an inconsistency but we have no means of detecting it, what does this change?
Does god exist? Well, there is no evidence, so there's no reason to say yes. Is it a no? Nobody can say for certain, but all the evidence is stacked against the gods of our religions. -
I think we agree more than we disagree.
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He believes in me, so I believe in Him
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That's super answer i like it
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Its not complex. From now on here is my generic answer to every God thread:
You are God. Eventually you will remember yourself as this essence.-
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@spiritualbloggers & dukepro
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W00t!
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Please define what you mean by God in your view...
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I like it a lot...
But with any 'religious' view, you might only be able to really preach to the choir...
Because the choir came prepared to listen...
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Man beget God so God could beget man.
That's my take on it untill someone can provide proof.-
in dubio pro reu... A man is innocent until proof of the contrary.Read this guy, charles Finney...
www.gospeltruth.net/1840skeletons/sk_lecture22.htm
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No!! I see a lot of members of BC who're atheists!
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Yes, but not in the religious sense.
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Oh my god this topic has NEVER been discussed here.-
I know. How revolutionary!
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There is a difference between believing and knowing.
I know.... because I have had real spiritual and tangible experiences that to me prove the existence of God beyond all doubt.
to me argument on this point is useless. I have no need to prove anything further.. I am satisfied.-
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well done, but sharing your knowledge can help us!
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but you do understand that most experieinced people have and claim to be a godly experience can also be explained in other ways ruling out the existance of god? Maybe your lack of undertanding what really happened has led you to believe it was a godly experience when it probably was a mundane normal experience that could happen to anyone, regardless of god existing, and just because you cant explain it because of lack of knoledge, you atribute this experience to the existence of somthing else you cant provide proof either.
The personal experience is somthing we can rule out as proof, as i myself have a personal experience that is proof to me that there is no god.
So, lets move on.
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Po is something like yes, no by Edward de Bono. haha. -
Indeed, there is a big difference in between believing and knowing.
And in the case of God, I sure respect the fact that you believe, up to you.
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@farangrakthai
sure I can tell you why I know, but to you how does that hold any true value to you?
then if you believe, you are only believing me. To "know" you must experience proof yourself.
proof of Gods existence is an individual experience, and each are different, because we each require a different level of proof.
If you seek it you will find it.-
@Jason
Well said. "Which god?" is the question that immediately comes to my mind every time I see one of these threads posted. I have shared, many times over in many threads here at BC, where there are 60 pages of "does God exist threads" posted what I personally experience. I know only what I experience and I do not believe in that which I do not experience. -
Is there no evidence of a god that can be a shared experience amongst many perople at the same time?
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Is there any evidence that you will stop personally attacking me and making up stories about me and Admin? I'm asking because given your trail of derogatory and off base comments I'm not inclined to share anything at all with you at the present time. However, I do have things I could share about shared spiritual group experiences if I did not feel threatened.
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what the heck? You felt attacked by that too! goodness.
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Removed to express respect for the OP as requested by morgantj below. I'm also vacating this thread & will continue to dialog with jason by way of PM.
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Stop derailing the thread with these off based comments. It is disrespectful to the OP. If you practice what you preach, that would be great.
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Okay, people. Whatever's going on between you two should be solved in the privacy of your shoutbox.
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Yes, back to the thread.
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Great! back to my question! - Is there no evidence of a god that can be a shared experience amongst many perople at the same time?
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Opps wrong placement damn
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Yes there is a shared experience! but the discovery and the ongoing relationship is specifically and purposely one on one. The shared experience is similar to being in the same ballpark when a home run is hit! everybody sees it from a little different angle but the result is the same. a shared thrill at watching an amazing thing happen
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I sure can't stand these types of questions because it forces me to try to use my pea brain and coax out an answer to something I have no solid recollection of or answer to.
The answer to your question may be in the form of a personal GOD or someones own definition of GOD, whatever that is and that can vary from person to person. They may each have a different idea of what GOD means for them.
I believe in different types of energy but cannot label that as a GOD.
One person's definition of GOD can be intricate, confusing and contradictory to facts.
I know there are lots of people out there that want to just have faith
and hope for the best and believe that there is a GOD but this doesn't really do it for me either.
Socrates himself believed his GOD to be his Holy Guardian Angel.
The secret Sun of himself.
I too have seen the Sun of myself in my Third Eye but this Holy Guardian Angel that I saw may only be my own personal attending angel who leaves me after I return to Godhead.
If this is what I believed in and if my Holy Guardian Angel leaves me after I return to full Godhead, he is not a GOD but a personal helper for me to return to Godhead.
If I believed in this then I would have to suspect that their is a hierachy of Angels, Archangels and a GOD.
Now even though I presently may like to believe that I am making progress on the path to finding out if what I saw is true or if there really is a GOD, I wish to simply be a neutral observer and not jump to any solid conclusions.
Could what I have seen be an illusion?
Well not according to Ancient Pyramid Text and Sanskrit.
Both are saying that Third Eye causes illusion to be totally destroyed.
Third Eye opens only for a few minutes and sitting inside it you are in the actual Immortal half of the mind and is a direct address of the SUN
shedding light on my path. It is a Serpent Power that brings man to consciousness but I have seen no GOD with a great white beard yet called the "Ancient of Days", I haven't seen him yet.
Some say that you cannot see GOD and it is written in the Bible that you will die if you were to see GOD.
There may be several Universes out there constantly changing and spilling out life and death
and I will be a neutral observer, see what I see and not really make any sharp decisions about anything until I am 100% sure that what I saw is true valid and fact. That is the best that I can do as a human being.-
Very well spoken. Do you feel that third eye sight is inherent to every human being, or must it be cultivated through meditation?
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Great question diabolicomix...
Yes everyone has a third eye but unfortunately not everyone opts to open it.
Ancient Egyptian Text
Atrophied Eye, O Atrophied Eye, where are you?
O you who are in the front of the immortal half, where are you?
You are in the Immortal Half so that you may be set-in-place in front of the Seer, so that you may cause bliss for him/her who carries you, so that you may cause to be a Spirit him who carries you, so that you may cause him/her to be Serpent Powerful in his/her body
and so that you may cause respect for him to be in the two-eyes of all Spirits, they who shall look at him or anyone who shall even hear his/her name.
This is where the Serpent Power resides and where the Serpent Power sits and acts as one's GOD. The Serpent that you see on the top part of King Tuts Funeral Mask is this same Serpent.
This is the same Serpent that Moses activated to lift up in people in the wilderness to carry the Israelites out of bondage and into a promised new land.
This same Serpent is also known as Kundalini in India and may be the only deciding factor
in determining who continues to live and be regenerated and/or resurrected after dead.
If one cannot reach the immortal half of the mind, I don't see how regeneration and resurrection
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And Yes it must be exercised through the proper meditative channels to help keep it open.
Without practice and actual use...the eye closes down and looses it's power.
The Opening of the Eye is simply a separation of the immortal half of the mind from the mortal half and the immortal half is where I plan to stay, especially 1 second before my actual death.
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Good and Evil are not a question of correct perspective...this is true
Only when the Third Eye is open do both become absolute and obsolete.
Only when the Third Eye is open do you have correct perspective.
When the Third Eye is open "Duality" of Good & Evil does not exist.
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full fiction
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SAYS WHO????
Please speak only about what you know
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These threads are like snakes that swallow their own tail. But I think God finds them very pleasing as long as they remain civil.
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Oh yes you mean the Ourobous...hehehe yes.
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God created you , and he knows you.. but who are you to ask this question about God?
The thing is .. DO YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR SELF?
if you find the answer to this you will find the answer to your question!
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Could someone believe me that I've come to the conclusion that everyone is God Yes, I mean Everyone! We are Gods walking on earth.-
Maybe you should say everyone is god of himself only!
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Oh and I forgot to add somewhere above
I realize that this may seem very weird for some and some may not even take it seriously what I just took the painstaken time to say above but I would like you to know that Scientist and Archeologist
are now re-studying over these Pyramid text right now and digging into Sanskrit for more clues.
A large percentage of these scientist are taken a personal indepth look at these two text for clues, some of the Scientist are in full agreement and realizing that what is said in the Pyramid text
and sanskrit is true, the main problem is trying to convince the world of this truth.
I personally wished more people would opt to open the Third Eye as they may come to a new perspective of what is really going on with man and the universe.
However one must experience truth for themselves
and try to find some truth for themselves and walk their own path.-
Jeunelle
you speak of third eye, In that you have had this experience.. I have known these in the past in relation to be of God.. When this happened to me.. I was at work, late at might.. talking with a friend.. outside..
I was suddenly seeing thru, yes, 3 eyes, no one will believe it unless it happens to them... I was like what in the world?
all I saw to my recollection, was beauty,serene landscapes, water & Flamingos?
an inner knowing, that everything would be alright.. this is what I heard and saw thru my minds eye..
I don't know why this happened if I was tired or what? .. but I did have the experience and I never understood it's significance or meaning?..I have never had that exeprience since...just sharing~
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@harleyblues....yup you are going through a natural evolving process.
I will be blogging about this soon and I will provide you with some links to help you understand what's happening to you.
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No I don't believe in God, but I do believe in god. Or at least a universal energy that impacts our lives. I believe that what we put out to the universe comes back to us, positive energy begets positive energy and negative energy begets negative. -
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The pastor of our church was also a family friend and always invited to our family picnics. One day when he was there I said to him, "Tell me Rev, is there really a GOD?" His answer was, "How the hell should I know? All we can do is believe and hope there is." For the longest time I had doubts. There were times I would tell myself there is a GOD and other times tell myself that people only believe there is a GOD because they cannot accept the fact that once you are dead, you are dead for eternity.
Since that time I have had things happen in my life that made me believe in Angels and if there are Angels, there also can be a GOD. Below is one of many:
I was dating a woman that loved Angels and had them all over her home. She also told me that if anything were ever to happen to her that she promised to be my Angel watching over me. We took a trip to Las Vegas and in the Mirage Casino we stood at a bronze statue of a Mermaid and said special words to each other dedicating our love to each other. After that she kept insisting that I rub the breast of the Mermaid for good luck and I just outright refused since there were so many people walking by. She also asked that if she were to pass away that I return to that Mermaid and she promised to know I am there. (she was ill but told she may live a month or 10 years) She passed away in June of 1996 and I kept my promise to her and returned to the Mermaid in February of 1997. I stood at the Mermaid with my head bowed and my eyes closed silently talking to her. While doing so, even though crowded and very noisy, I could hear loud laughter in the distance and it kept getting closer. It turned out to be three young ladies that walked directly up to me and insisted that I rub the breast of the Mermaid for good luck and they would not leave until I did. Coincidence? I don't believe so. My Angel was right there with me. -
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No I don't believe that God exists. For the same reason I don't believe that Athena or Zeus exist: because it's fake. Being skeptical and agnostic is a waste of time. When chooseing between two things to believe in, pick the one that really makes sense--particularly when the other one makes no sense at all.
Which sounds like a better explanation:
the earth is 6000 years old, one single creature named God made everything up just for fun, if you believe god exists he will reward you no matter how many bad things you do--just ask for forgiveness--if you don't believe in him you will be punished to eternal hell.
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evolution is a viable explanation for life. you only live once. God is mythology, just like all of Greek and Roman mythology, and reincarnation and enlightenment, psychic powers, ghosts, and magic.
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One important point we need to understand in the first place is that the existence of God cannot be proved in the same way you prove the existence of a physical object. This is simply because God is not a physical object. Any physical object is subject to your five senses. In simple terms, you can see, hear, smell, touch or taste a physical object. This is not possible in the case of God, as He is a Transcendental Being [existing on a level beyond our sensual perception].
There are people who argue that the only form of knowledge available to humans is experiential knowledge or experimental knowledge, gained primarily by the use of outer senses. This led to the belief that human beings are constituted in such a way that the knowledge of reality is always unavailable to them; and so it resulted in a renewal of attention to the everyday world of appearances. The knowledge of here and now became the only object of human knowledge and concern. Thus from this point of view, the project of seeking knowledge of reality behind appearances must be abandoned, because it is beyond the scope of human understanding.
God is the Reality behind all appearances, religion is created by God for us, so how we will realize that God exists with out a religion?
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I agree with all what you said except this [ religion is a human construct ] I would say religion is a message from God to humans to teach them how to warship Him, it’s also a set of rules works as a communication tool to create the one to one relation, so if we are talking about rules I don’t think that humans are able to set rules on how to warship God, it must be God’s rules. -
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No, but if believing in God makes people happier, I'm sure all for it.
But well, if history is any indication, believing in God is more harmful than helpful. Results in a lot of mistrust and killing.
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no, but if there is a god (which there might be, but i doubt) then it is surely most likely to be some kind of blue cat similar to the avatar above. 8)
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I believe in something...the mythically-magic God of the Bible? I don't know...but something is responsible for all this, or does plausible deniability run all the way up the chain? And yet I still pray...why, you may ask?
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Isa 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?"
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and revealed them to babes."
Act 2:28 You revealed to Me the ways of life. You will fill Me with joy with Your countenance."
2Co 5:11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men. But we are revealed to God, and I trust also that we are revealed in your consciences."
I, by that faith, with my mouth (er... type) proclaim those things He has already revealed of Himself! I know now, that even if I die, I live again!
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"Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and revealed them to babes."
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@morgantj...that is fact..just look around to see how much confusion is in this present world today.
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Indeed. But I don't really think this passage was meant to have the negative spin you put on it, morangtj. In Greek σοφῶν didn't really mean "sophisticated" in the English sense, it referred more to sophists who would misuse wisdom for the sake of winning an argument, and συνετῶν or intelligence seems to be used to emphasize this. It's not that the writers of the bible has something against smart people, rather that it favors those who do not cloak themselves in wisdom to escape from truth.
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Jeunelle, Isn't the sophisticated, cunning, and intellectual people the few who are ready to seek the truth? Yet, they are the the ones with the "incorrect" perception and are thus blind? I think it is quite the opposite.
diabolicomix, I simply quoted creemos's quote of the bible above. The point is, I find it hard to believe that god would only reveal himself to non-intellectuals, or even as you say those "who do not cloak themselves in wisdom to escape from truth." Why discriminate amongst your children? The layman often seems to have something against intellectuals, and often wrongly claims him of being arrogant or having an elitist attitude. It is more often then not, simply because the layman does not understand the intellectual. Also, If a person were truly wise, then they would not cloak themselves in their wisdom to escape truth. On the contrary, the would seek the truth. -
... the non-sophisticated, non-cunning, non-intellectual people will he be revealed
Hmmmm ... that sounds like all the folks that get sucked in by faith healers. Some faith healers even convince people to go off there medications and ignore their doctor's advice. Yet follow-up of the supposedly "healed" has failed to produce any evidence of them healing anyone.
www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html
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"Science doesn't have all the answers."
Quacks use this ploy to suggest looking beyond what scientific medicine has to offer; they also imply that since medical care has limitations, they are entitled to have them too. Medical science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but its effectiveness keeps increasing because the scientific method offers ways to find more answers. The idea that people should turn to quack remedies when frustrated by science's inability to control a disease is irrational. Quackery lacks genuine answers and has no method for finding them. -
@morgantj...Oh brother I hope you didn't miss my point
They can seek but I question whether or not they actually find truth
and if by some weird turn in the path they actually stumble upon the right road to it,
misuse of the truth by the unworthy will simply get them cut off is what I am saying.
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Jeunelle, why would you think that it be "weird" that an intellectual might actually stumble upon the right road to truth? And just as an intellectual could possibly misuse truth, so could a non-intellectual. Who is to say who is worthy or not? Why would a intellectual be any less worthy then a non-intellectual. I think it would be more probable for a non-intellectual to misuse a truth. What seems to be the concern is that the layman knows that the intellectual may be more clever at being able to misuse the truth, if he were to do so, and therefore they laymen uses this to try to discredit him.
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I don't think anyone is implying that an intellectual is inherently less worthy than a non-intellectual, but rather that a clever person who manipulates the truth is capable of fooling a simpler-minded person. I thin what the author of this passage is trying to say is that the way is open to the wise and the foolish alike and there doesn't need to be any reliance on potentially misleading intellectuals. As Socrates said, a truly wise man acknowledges that he really knows nothing.
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diabolicomix, I use the socratic method of dialog myself to come closer to the truth - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method
History shows that people became quite impatient with Socrates constant questioning, and that he was able to show their faults and contradictions with his line of questioning. However, due to this method as effective as it was, he became quite an unpopular character in his time. Yet, we recognize his contributions today and respect his efforts. -
Jeunelle, citation please or clarification on this "immortal half of the mind."
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Why discriminate amongst your children? asked morjantj
The Eye may discriminate amongst it's children who are still veiled by Illusion/Duality/Evil.
Most may consider the EYE to be Evil since it does this but I don't.
I see it as LOVE that it would take the time to ACT and clear the way to REALITY,
even if it means destruction of those still trapped and veiled in Illusion/Duality/Evil.
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Hence the term "why discriminate".
Who knows for sure but it seems to suggest "natural selection".
The strong survive, the weak perish.
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@diabolicomix...Very well put also to turn around and use this new found wisdom in the wrong way against the people. Misuse of this power can be quiet detrimental
and is the sole reason why no one can find Atlantis on the map today, which was completely destroyed from misuse of this terrible power. Only a few can handle this wisdom and steps
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I like this frame of view-- true wisdom is something that only the virtuous have access to, and any selfish intent will necessarily negate any its power, so just by seeking to misuse wisdom one is placing oneself far away from it.
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@diabolicomix...Exactly thank you
Many have tried to access the Third Eye because in fact you are sitting on a Atomic Bomb literally. Many have tried to toy with the application to get to the "terrible power"
as it's called in Ancient Egypt to use against their enemies.
The funny thing is when you reach that immortal half of the mind, it washes and cleanses
you of the desire to even use it.
Many have TRIED and FAILED and it's a good thing too or we would all go around burning
each other and leveling parts of the planet to it's doom.
Many Tibetan monks tried to access this same power to use it towards their enemies
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Lord Kapila was one that I've heard actually got to use it and he used it several times in India.
Once in war where he leveled off and army of elephants, all burned to crisp to win a war.
Another time he used it to rid the people of a bunch of evil brothers who rampaged around burning and looting and stealing from people. He burned them to crisp and even their own father thanked Lord Kapila that he rid the land of his evil sons.
Their own Father had enough of them and wanted then gone.
Moses placed his EYE in the Ark of the Covenant and it was said to kill whoever it wanted killed. So the reasons why this power would choose to kill would probably be it's own.
Do I believe that any of these stories could be fact.
Yes I strongly do. When you have Third Eye the front part of your forehead sometimes feels hot as hell and there is a lot of white light there like a very hot electrical surge of energy.
This is also an area where Telekinesis is possible.
It is also very dangerous because of the potential threat of a overload of nuclear energy.
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The Eye itself (and I am speaking from experience here)
can also open when you go to sit down.
There was at least two instances where I went to sit on a chair and I acccidently hit the lower part of my cocxyx bone area and when it hit upon impact the Eye opened immediately.
When the Eye is open you know it, there is no doubt in your mind that it's not open.
When the Eye is in activation or open that whole frontal area is surging with white light energy which can be seen clearly by me looking at it from about 6 inches before the brow.
When it's in full strength it's usually around the 1st-15th of the month, a full moon.
The frontal area feels like someone took a branding iron and branded the top part of your forehead.
Also the middle area of your skull feels very hot too, sometimes it even goes into a cold mode, which I like usually in the summer when all is hot to keep cool.
This is how you would know if you even have your Third Eye open or not.
There is no question about it, you will know that you have it.
During this time when I received mine I went full into Khechari Mudra.
This makes my tongue turn back towards the inner top part of my mouth to allow me to travel to higher realms.
I didn't know anything about Khechari Mudra or even Third Eye. I never read about it anywhere.
The Khechari Mudra just started to happen for me AUTOMATICALLY a little after the opening
of the Third Eye.
The Khechari Mudra process is Automatic and happens by itself while sleeping at night in bed.
It is an AUTOMATIC PROGRAMMING of the Higher part of the Mind.
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@diabolicomix..."Moses placed his EYE in the Ark of the Covenant and it was said to kill whoever it wanted killed. So the reasons why this power would choose
to kill or destroy something would probably be it's own". says jeunelle
The reason why it would kill or destroy, probably has something to do with the fact that it is looking at something that is illusion/duality.
Once it realizes that it is looking at illusion/duality, it's intelligence may consider it to be evil
and sends out a surge of hot energy to burn and destroy it, illusion/duality/evil is then destroyed, thus ridding it of it's presence.
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This EYE takes flight, lights and lands in any part of the Universe.
Whenever the image of illusion/duality/evil rears it's head in the Eye's presence,
it is the job of the EYE to search it out, discriminate and destroy it.
It's intelligence will decide whether or not if what it is looking at is worth destroying.
Make no mistake, the EYE is very discriminatory.
It is intelligent enough to know what is not really there and what needs to be destroyed
so that it can see clearly through all the Universe.
The problem of this Illusion/Duality/Evil is appearing mostly here on Earth
and veiling REALITY from us.
I Opt for my EYE so that I can see through this Veil called Duality/Illusion...the great evil.
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God is the perfect being. As He is most perfect, He must have all perfections. If God lacked existence He would not be perfect, as He is perfect he must exist.
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Note that the external signs we see in the universe should necessarily lead a wise person to the Ultimate Reality behind it all. And that is how we arrive at the realization that God Almighty is the Moving Power behind all life and all existence.
I know you are almost there!
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To answer the sub-discussion on my quote:
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the sophisticated and cunning, and revealed them to babes."
God defines His remark even further:
"Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man, and birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. For they changed the truth of God into a lie, and they worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen." Romans 1:21-25
The issue has never been whether one believes in God or not; but rather, why one rejects the idea of submitting to His authority in the first place. Creation shouts His power to create as well as one's conscience demanding that "these things cannot be so!"
Note: The author of this question simply asked for a brief explanation of one's belief in this discussion thread. Why must some deviate and begin attacking another's answer here? I don't believe that was the original intent the author was it?
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Creemos, does that make Socrates and Plato fools? They argued quite a bit.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
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1 Timothy 5:18 For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle the ox treading out grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his reward."
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The Admin of Blog Catalog have previously said no to using the forum for proselytizing and evangelizing and it sure seems like that's what your agenda is in every comment you make. In fact, when other threads here have turned that direction we have reported them and they were locked. Perhaps what you really need is a ministry, a congregation willing to finance you, and a pulpit. -
Religious organizations hire you, right? They pay you in American dollars.
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Strange admonition timethief. I read of your lengthy prose against anything remotely "Christian" in nature posted almost daily in these very discussion forums.
What you are implying dear one, is that all views are acceptable here but one... God's. Apparently, to quote He vs. let's say, Ghandi - should involve a form of censorship! Hmmm.... I am praying for you each time I see your avatar! Cool, huh? -
LOL... here is my "very public" professional profile: www.linkedin.com/in/bateman
Why the anger ma'am? You can visit my website anytime you want and see all that I do! (Accepting that I neglected to post a link to my "CCM Gold Internet Radio Station) Thanks for the reminder though!
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I was correct. The I did research had huge gaps. It didn't reveal your secret "blogroll links", denominalation affiliations and how much you are paid.
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By the way, I know you have visited my website and profile on occasion - why have you not added me as a friend yet?
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I find this very sad. God fearing people and testimonies of faith are obviously threatening to some people. But the ones "reporting" testimonies here in the forum, an even more the moderator hindering the word of God by terminating discussions or banning Christians make themselves enemies of God by their actions. I find that very sad. I support 'creemos' by what he writes: Man today is corrupted and there is no integrity left. That is sad.
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Testimonies - thanks for that admission. There are 11 Christian groups here at BC wherein you can share your "testimonies" and there is no restriction when it comes to proselytizing and evangelizing in them.
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I am a serious christian and I have had no problems with ANY of my posts on BC - I have removed some of my own posts due to being stupid! but overall I think the moderation is pretty fair.
However on the subject of "testimonies" I have to say brother... we did it to ourselves man! For far too long people calling themselves christians have been beating people up with the bible, telling them they are going to hell, and making up freaky religion stuff that just isn't true!
People are tired of hearing the goody, goody, my life is perfect because I Love Jesus BS; They can see straight through it!
They know that over 90% of "Christians" are riding somebody else's coattails and they have no idea what they really believe. In fact what's worse is they see someone claiming to have a relationship with a supernatural being and that person is often a fickle- faithless- bumbling hypocrite that is the first to pull out the "GOD SAYS" card when they are cornered.
as far as people "banning christians" and becoming enemies of God for doing so, I seriously doubt it.. the "greater than thou" "I'm praying for you" "it's so sad" all of that stuff is crap! Nobody want's to hear it!.. I grew up hearing it -and I don't want to hear it! It's patronizing and irritating!
People are looking for truth - they don't want to read walls of bible verses, even if they are true. besides the bible means nothing to someone that doesn't believe it! you might as well be reading them "Big Brown Bear Blue Bull"
an interesting quote from Brennan Manning, “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”
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Research? I am about to offered an employment opportunity? "smile"
Not sure what you mean by "secret blog rolls" thingy?...
See how off tangent these discussions become? I simply answered the original author's question and you launch into a personal research and destroy reputation mission! Are you sure you weren't hurt by someone in your past and now, are going after anyone who simply says, "Yes. I believe in God because..."?
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Indeed I am deeply loved but but not by patronizing people that spout scripture at me, and threaten me with dire consequences if I don't bend to their will. That kind of behavior simply does not project the love and compassion that typifies Christ consciousness. IMO it's an arrogant put down that illustrates an ego that has yet to be surrendered, let alone, extinguished.
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i believe humans need something or someone to cling on, something greater than human themselves and than God is the answer
www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
www.doesgodexist.org/
but since this is rather personal topic please don't take it to flame war-
What do you mean by "humans need something or someone to cling on"? Are you speaking in general or are you trying to say every last person?
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Yes. Because once I was lost and now I am saved is one reason...but it would take a lot of words to explain that if you haven't experienced that yourself.
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Yes. I just look outside and I know that the creator made this earth. I have blind faith. Even If you look at it logically I understand the theory of evolution but where does a persons soul come from, where does true conscious life come from... god. For non-believers Id like to say that Charles Darwin himself after studying the human eye said that the human eye is too complicated to have been developed by evolution.-
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Do we even have a soul?
[Charles Darwin himself after studying the human eye said that the human eye is too complicated to have been developed by evolution.]
www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_2/darwin.html
wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Darwin_on_evolution_of_the_eye
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If you don't mind me asking, Why?
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some people consider hope to be more important and other like us consider truth to be important
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I'm still not sure, but I think society, human relationships, and cultural development are way too complex for it to be simply science. Life's honestly too weird to be just science. The way we build skyscrapers, fly airplanes, tell stories, feel connected to other people, are philosophical, feel emotion, have faith... I just can't believe that when we die, there's NOTHING. You know?
So I'm not saying I believe in one God, one entity that controls everything or determines your fate before you're born or anything. I just believe that there's something out there besides a bunch of atoms and laws of physics.
Although, I also believe that there are aliens somewhere out there, but I guess that's another story. :-)-
[Life's honestly too weird to be just science.]
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Quantum physics is SO interesting... I can't wait to find out what happens with the atom smasher in Switzerland.
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I don't know the reasonable think why I don't have to believe in God (Alloh)?? You can read the Holy Koran to find out anythings... please be objective..
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Thank you for sharing, it's very important that people don't know anything about Quran but they still arguing about what they don't know!
@ - rakeshmaya - if you really used your mind you will find God, search if you want inside your self and all around you.. if you don't find God then you are blind!
I see that you are behind all people here pushing them not to believe in god.. I see that you put a link to your blog in all posts, I see that this is not good!
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Yes I do believe in God..no doubt at all..for God created as his own image and likeness without him we are nothing..
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Hmmm I learned in our Philosophy class that it is right to question God's existence. We should not be following dogmas all the time. So for me, I'm at the moment confused. Sometimes I question His existence but everyday I thank Him for all the things. So it's just like I believe in God. So maybe I do but I don't really like the Catholic church's ways.
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If it took a philosophy class to get you to question god, just wait until you take a few science classes.
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I believe there is a God. The problem arises when you deal with religion. The differences and problems arise when there is a judgement based on someone's religion and the dislike of someone else's religion.
Here's to your LifetoSuccess,
John Clark
www.lifetosuccess.com
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Yep, it's not about religion.
Enjoy!
alexanderwrites.blogspot.com/2008/10/its-ok-to-run-opposite-way.html
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My favorite thing out there now is the slogan: "Be good for goodness sake." Why should we? Just because it's the "right" thing to do? Doesn't that imply there is a "wrong" thing to do? And whose standard is it anyway? Why do we all appeal to the same external standard about right and wrong? If there is a definite right and a definite wrong isn't that the same as "good" and "evil"? Do you know anyone who is wholly good? If God is all good, doesn't it stand to reason that since humans are sinful by nature (show me one who isn't) yet strive to do right that to allow us into his presence (Heaven) something had to give? Doesn't the entire concept of Christianity explain this? Also, if we are sinful by nature and can gratify our nature by giving in why do we feel conflict and remorse when we do? Are you really going to tell me that's environmental conditioning????
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If you want a logical argument concerning the existence of not only God, but more specifically Christianity, read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. He is without question one of the brightest minds recorded in history. Truly brilliant people (like many of you here) have trouble with the concept and without concrete evidence remain unconvinced. Sadly, it can lead to emptiness inside.
Personally, I have debated this subject internally for years. What I have discovered, however, is that this is not a question of logic. It is a question of the heart and of the soul. When the anger, cynicism, and hostility are removed the answer and the "truth" often becomes clear. But to accept it requires a large leap (called faith) because it will not come with tangible evidence.
One main point about this is that to believe in "some form" of a higher power is awfully convenient. Choosing this paradigm allows the person to continue behaving without consequence. That doesn't work in the spiritual realm anymore than it has worked for our country. There are choices. Then there are consequences. Doesn't make much difference whether you "believe" it or not.
By the way. Another thing I've noticed from internal inspection is a huge problem in the world today. To truly believe in Christ is to accept that we are not the center of the world, and that we can do NOTHING without him. As for me, I didn't want any part of that. My ego was far too big. Maybe there are others out there who might not be listening now but may answer the knock at the door later on. He is always there. But you have to turn the knob and greet him.-
you said it very well and i couldn't add more.
it's a big encouragement to know people who blog about Christ and how He changes one's life.
way to go bro! God bless.
C.S. lewis is the best!
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@wbasham great posts
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i see myself an atheist
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So did C.S. Lewis.
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yeah, CS Lewis started as an atheist before he came to know God personally.
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He still is an atheist if he doesn't believe in Zeus, Amun, Jupiter, Pluto, Venus, Rama, Krishna, etc... the list is long.
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Those are gods created by man. I'm talking about the God who is the Alpha and Omega. The one who sent His son Jesus Christ to save the lost world.
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Sadly, morgantj you are mistaken. According to the literal definition of on dictionary.com (see below), any person believing in a supreme being (not all of them) is no longer an atheist. But it is really a matter of personal choice anyway. One we are all free to exercise. But there are consequences to our choices.
Dictionary.com
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- a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Are you merely nitpicking by lumping these in with Christianity to try and provoke a response? If so, that's unfortunate. Surely if you believe them to be equal you have something more intelligent to say than that. I left many open ended questions available for rebuttal in the comment above. Internal hurt often manifests itself in anger and eventually into sarcastic, sometimes even mean remarks. I used to be the king of them. I hope this is not the case with you.
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I think you are mistaken that I am mistaken. Your definition from Dictionary.com actually supports my statement LOL. - a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
So if you deny the the existence of a supreme being like Zeus, Amun, Jupiter, Pluto, Venus, Rama, Krishna, etc... than you are an atheist in respect to those gods because as the definition you just posted suggests, you deny the existence of a supreme being, thus making you an atheist.
And you throwing out the ol' ad hominem card of you atheists are just a bunch of angry, mean, and hurt people wont get you far debating me. FYI - You may enjoy this group - www.blogcatalog.com/group/religious-debate-and-discussions
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[Those are gods created by man. I'm talking about the God who is the Alpha and Omega. The one who sent His son Jesus Christ to save the lost world.]
And how do you really know all this? How do you know they are gods created by man, here you are talking about the god as in the Alpha & Omega, yet that could be a man made God, some would say so. How do you really know he sent this man he calls a son to save the world? Oh were you there, or What because you were told/taught/read it in the "man made bible"?
Christians say Scientist can never really explain where they get their answers, but either can christians.
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I have faith in Him. Faith is when u don't see and yet believe. Faith comes from the heart and the spirit ... not from the eyes and mind.
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This is the right thing to do... because if you believe in something you don't see or meet in life, it means you are a honest believer!
I want to tell every one that say " I don't' believe of God because I don't see him" DO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE SO IMPORTANT THAT GOD WILL COME TO MEET YOU?
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I believe in GodForce, but not the concept of a bearded man they call God.
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And how would you define this "GodForce"? Is it an intelligent entity? Is is good? Evil? What role does it play in the existence of man?
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Great question wbasham
Godforce is defined as a superluminal wave which travels between elsewhere Universes (branes) via wormholes. It is all around us, it passes over us, and through us. Similar to tachyon energy.
This godforce is simply a waveform (sinusoidal). When we humans interact on a resonant frequency with this waveform, then we feel blessed, we feel touched by a higher dimension (others call it touched by god).
The concept of good and evil are purely human creations, created to keep the people in a society in check. Hence, why religion seems to be such an effective force in controlling peoples lives. They feel the need to be told how to live their lives, rather than having the strength to live their own lives as they see fit.
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God is real and I believe in Him and His Son. Why? Because we are alive. We are unable to exist on our own. Man wants to believe that he can do it on his own accord, but it is God's grace and mercy that enables us to live to see each day, not man alone.
Take care!
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is that what was taught at the church, stop the herd behaviour
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C.S. Lewis strengthened my faith in the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
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Interesting line of reasoning, thank you for sharing. Can you be so kind as to tell me about that which God was brought forth from than? Couldn't have been nothing right? Since I assume you do believe that god is something. And you say that something cannot come from nothing. So from what was god brought forth from?
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Nomad7: The prerequisite "uncaused cause" holds true for Newtonian physics, but not for Quantum physics.
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That's precisely why quantum mechanics is incomplete.
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Yep. We define things based on probability. Hopefully the LHC will lead to us understanding our universe better.
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It's interesting that you mention that, because what they are looking for at CERN is the Higgs boson which is sometimes called the "God particle", which, it is theorized, makes possible for the universe to have mass. Strange that as much emphasis as atheists seem to put on science it never occurs to them that God might very well be the central component of the natural world. The truth is that nobody knows these things yet.
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Of course, the use of "god" in "god particle" does not refer to Yahweh or any personal god like that. When science use the term, it is often very much like Einstein did, in a pantheistic way, as a synonym for "nature" or as a metaphor for some other natural resource. Theists like to use these statements as though the scientist were talking about "god" as the theist define it which is of course, now how scientist intended it to be perceived.
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Of course God particle does not refer to JHVH, I don't think I was trying to say that. I don't really see how it is relevant what Einstein or any other scientist thinks privately. The importance of something like a "God particle" if there is such a thing (and there is no evidence), is that this "energy field" is doing things we would traditionally ascribe to a deity, that is creating something from nothing.
I don't claim to know how any Grand Unifying theory will pan out, but I have my hunch that it has to do with God as I understand Him subjectively. What I think is bewildering about some atheists is that they think their own hunch is so vastly superior to mine or the next guy's. -
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Read it again very slowly if you have to and you will see that I was referring to Einsteins usage of the word "god" as a reference to making my point on how "god" is often used by science. My point had nothing to do with what Einstein thought privately. Not to mention that wasn't a privately held thought of his anyways. He often made it public.
I do not know an atheist that claims to know it all, but I know many theist that do. So what I find bewildering is that some theists think that just because atheists don't believe in god and question theists as to why they believe there is a god, they assume that atheists must think their hunch is superior to theirs and/or the next guy's. It is of course an ad hominem argument in an attempt to misdirect the topic away from the substance of the real argument at hand. -
A sincere religious belief is a posiitive affirmation of a particular worldview, that is part of the bedrock of faith for many people, so it's only natural for many theists to claim to know it all, though I myself do not.
But an atheist claims affirmatively that there is not a God, and to hold this point of view one must exercise just as much faith as a religious person does. Going under the definition of knowledge as a justified, true belief, nobody can really "know" that there is no God any more than they can "know" that God exists.
Given also that atheists arrive at their particular worldview from an ostensibly "rational" analysis of the universe (as most do), it is inherently contradictory for any atheist to profess to "know" that there isn't a God.
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If an atheist were to say to you, "I do not believe there is a god to believe in or to disbelieve in." do you find something objectionable to that statement?
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What I find objectionable is when an atheist claims to have a monopoly on science, as if atheism were the ONLY rational belief instead of one of many possible beliefs a rational person may hold.
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I don't know about that, but it can easily be countered by the opposition simply providing rational arguments for their case. If those arguments are successfully being countered, then it is definitely a stance worth questioning. These ad hominem character attacks are becoming old, all they do is avoid and misdirect away the participants from the real question at hand.
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It seems like you are accusing me of making "ad hominem" attacks as a form of ad hominem attack against me.
Regardless, the "question at hand" is an unproductive one. Why would I try to convince an atheist to believe in God? Going under the assumption that the atheist accepts no subjective, mystic experience as "proof" there is really no other means by which to attempt persuade an atheist.
Likewise, why would an atheist attempt to persuade me not to believe in God? The basis for my belief is not grounded in scientific evidence, but rather in a subjective realm that the atheist cannot speak to.
I'm not trying to say a believer has never made an ad hominem attack against and atheist, but you talk as if you do not realize that when you attack the rationality of a person's capacity to hold religious belief you are making an ad hominem attack yourself. -
Atheists questioning the substance of theists claims is not an ad hominem. They notice there is a lack of substance, so that is why they question it.
You find it is acceptable for theists to speak their minds and preach their views, but the atheist aren't allowed to speak or question anything? Any belief that can't take some questioning and some constructive criticism is a belief worth questioning. Any belief where they teach you to believe in things without evidence and that you are not allowed to doubt or look elsewhere, is a belief worth questioning. -
It seems to me that the proposition that there is no God is the one that has the real difficultly standing up to questioning.
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There is no what? As far as we know, there is nothing there to not exist to begin with. Therefore, what is there to question? So yea, that would be quite difficult asking questions when there is no subject matter to question. I agree!
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An atheist can never prove such a proposition, whereas I know that God exists with unassailable certitude proven to me by my own experience. This is where we are perpetually at odds, I suppose.
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"Nothing" in our world is still something. A void is that which holds something that we can assume exists.Even Einstein had problems with Quantum Physics. He delved into the Time/Space thingy as away to rectify a mistake he made. There is no such thing as a void when it comes to Human Perception. Black Holes even have dimensions that leads to "Nothing" as we perceive it, and nothing doesn't stand up by itself because in our world it still becons explanation.Back Holes consumes matter,so how does something that doesn't exist consum,e something that does exist. God Holds that formula...we don't.
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Do any of you have children?
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I have four.
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I want you to tell me if you blieve in God or not. If you said Yes, tell me one reason why. and if you said no, tell me one reason why not? Deal?
I've raised 9. What relevance does your question about children and our answers to it have to the question posed by the OP please. I'm asking because I can't discern any.
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Of course scientists would not be talking about God because they base things on the scientific method.
# Ask a Question
# Do Background Research
# Construct a Hypothesis
# Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
# Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
# Communicate Your Results
This is based entirely on our ability to observe the results of experimentation.
It is simply not possible to "prove" right or wrong. Yet we know it exists. Furthermore, science cannot possibly prove or disprove the existence of God. If He does exist (which I believe) and created this universe we could no better prove that from the inside than we could prove an architect exists from within the building he created. There would be clues, but no proof. -
We are trying to understand something without the correct lens. Our vantage point very well may not allow us to understand our situation accurately. But it's in our nature to try. And to let go and believe something like Christianity is to accept the fact that we are not in control. That can be a very difficult thing to come to terms with. It's not comfortable. It's the reason for such a heated discussion on here.
I have no interest in debating the issue with anyone. I sincerely hope that it is His interest to come into your heart and allow you to know Him. Unless that happens, there is nothing at all I can do to change your mind.-
I don't believe there is a god to believe in or to disbelieve in AND I don't believe we are in control. We are determined by the laws of nature, physics, and causality, and there is no evidence of free-will. So your claim that it is difficult to comes to terms with something like Christianity because it would be difficult to accept the fact that we are not in control, simply does not apply to me. Second, it is taught that god gave man free-will, so how would they not be in control? Also, I didn't notice it was a heated debate.
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If you are interested in a reasonable alternative to a designer, that has more evidence going for it than a designer, than check out the evolution of the eye - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
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The answer to this question is not in the world around us. It is INSIDE us. Period. Whether you have gotten all the baggage piled on us from birth out of the way to see the truth is something between you and your Maker. But understand that just because you don't understand or believe something doesn't make it any less true.
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"But understand that just because you don't understand or believe something doesn't make it any less true."
This sounds an awful lot like an argument from personal incredulity, argument from personal belief, also known as an argument from ignorance - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance which is of course a logical fallacy. -
"But understand that just because you don't understand or believe something doesn't make it any less true."
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And just because you believe something it doesn't make it true. Can we stop pouncing on the obvious?
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Yes.
Once upon a time, I tried my hardest not to believe He existed, but I failed epically. Whatever people think of me and of Him really can't change the fact that I'm wired to believe, love, and serve Him. Part of that means loving people where they're at, not being judgmental, but reaching out to them and making a positive influence in their lives at cost to myself. I could always do a better job of this, but this is the main paradigm that fuels and colors my life.-
Thank you for your honest comment!
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Yes I believe in a God as our creator, but the christian God as I don't see how a christian god could let little children die from cancer, rape and so on. Yet a christian will tell you, "it's not god, it's satan" that is full of crap, cuz if the so called christian god can do anything, then he would save these poor children and not let them suffer or anyone for that matter.
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This is indeed difficult to surmount, armywife, sometimes I too wonder how any God could allow such terrible things to persist in this world.
But Jesus did not come to lay blame on anyone, but rather to teach us the proper way to live our lives, in peace and love with one another. But I get the feeling that you knew that already even if you use different words for it. -
i used to think that, but i don't anymore, as i have opened my mind and eyes. we will never know for sure of anything until we die and then we may not know even then if we seize to exist. We just don't know. Jesus was a man, were you there? or are you only going by what you were taught and read in the bible? I do believe in Jesus, I too believe he was a great teacher, to teach us love and a proper way to live, just like the bible is a self help book and also teaches us a way to life, even if it has more than that. I believe people NEED religion because they can't control themselves. The old testament was thrown out because they could not keep those commandments, so they started a new one with new rules. And if the christian god is there, and he talked to people out loud, not just in their minds, back then, then why would that not happen now? Christians will probably make excuses on that too
If a person were born in another part of the world where they never hear of jesus or god, ever, you would have their beliefs not Christian beliefs, so that means you would then go to hell? Cuz that is what christians believe, if you don't believe jesus died for your sins and repent, you will go to hell. and it's chrisitans that are the worse hypocrites. They cus, lie, drink, judge and then they preach to others what to believe in and how to be a "good chrisitan"
I'm not trying to be mean to christians, just stating the obvious and only about 5% of the world are christians and that our fore fathers were not christians, like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, quite possibly George Washington, Benjamin Franklin.
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I don't believe any of those things you seem to think I do.
One thing I think you will find in the teachings of Jesus is that essentially they in agreement with those of Buddha and Krishna and all the worlds religions, and even found in the conscience of every atheist, agnostic or what have you.
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Thanks for your comment, your comment reminds me of another question thaat I am going to ask very soon. Thanks again.
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[But an atheist claims affirmatively that there is not a God, and to hold this point of view one must exercise just as much faith as a religious person does.]
Very few atheists have ever said that. Have you ever met an atheist?
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actually yes i have, i had an ex boyfriend that was one. he was a very kind person. there are so many different beliefs in this world. I don't want to pass judgment on any of them, and I really hate when I get preached to. One of my friends is a Pagan, one is a Christian, one is a 7th day Advantist, one is Catholic, one is Jewish and we all get a long. We don't preach to each other, we love all the same
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Atheists use that "almost certainly" so they can change their mind when they realize that there could be a god.
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[actually yes i have, i had an ex boyfriend that was one.]
That question wasn't directed at you. I quote people using brackets.
[What is the different between an atheist and an agnostic then?]
Agnostics see things as 50:50.
To an agnostic, there either is a god or there isn't, and either outcome has a 50% chance. To an atheist, there is a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance that there is no god, and a .00000000000000000000000000000001% chance that there is.
[Atheists use that "almost certainly" so they can change their mind when they realize that there could be a god.]
You make it sound like atheists are in denial about something. Nothing could be further from the truth. If Shiva, Horus, Mithras, or some other loopy mythological figure came down and revealed himself as the creator of the universe, and proved that he did it all, we wouldn't stubbornly cling to disbelief. However, until that happens, we're pretty sure that there is no god. We're just wise enough to avoid objective statements such as "There is no god" because it makes it easier for the theist to say "Prove it!" This leaves the burden of proof indisputably on the theist.
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You have really watered down the definition of atheist here, it is now a much weaker position. If you have to be 50/50 to be an agnostic then there are almost none I would imagine. What about 60/40 against god? Is he an atheist yet? Even 99% sure there is no God, what does that mean exactly? That in one in a hundred universes Jesus is divine?
When you only have a personal guess as to the probability of something, from a scientific standpoint you aren't really saying anything.
The theist, one the other hand, has a much lighter burden of proof to meet, being faith which only needs to be proven subjectively. The atheist is limited to the objective standard of science, and cannot speak to things that fall into the subjective realm. The applies to whatever loopy belief you choose, including Mithras and Spaghetti Monsters.
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diabolicomix, As far as an atheist is concerned, there is nothing there to begin with to have to disprove. The burden of proof lies on the ones making the positive claim, that being, "god exist! And he is the creator of everything!"
As far as possibility, or better yet probability, one cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is not falsifiable. Just as one cannot prove that Zeus, the flying spaghetti monster, fairies, goblins, etc... don't exist. But because we cannot prove they don't exist, doesn't necessitate that they do exist either. Most atheists recognize this and it renders them an agnostic in this sense. But they refer to themselves as atheists still becuase they think the "probability" of such a being existing is extremely low. There are naturalistic explanations out there with evidence to support them. Just because we don't have all the answers, doesn't mean we can just fill in those gaps with "oh, god did it." -
That's perfectly fine. But it is important to respect that religious people do not arrive at their worldview out of thin air, and have reasons that are just a valid and just as human as those reasons which motivate the worldview of the atheist.
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Terrorist have reasons to terrorize, murderers have reasons to murder, molesters have reasons to molest. Each person having to them self, justified there actions to perform these actions. There reasons didn't arrive out if thin air either, so are their reasons that motivate them to commit these acts just as valid as the reasons other people choose not to commit them?
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Those things you mention are terrible crimes. A religious belief does not harm anyone. The Constitution gives everyone a right to their religious beliefs, whether they be theistic or atheistic.
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Well then why do so many atheists become christians? something is happening to the spiritually.
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Why do many Christians become atheists? - richarddawkins.net/convertsCorner
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I think because they starting to realize and understand that God really exist and they actually need him.
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Please provide a citation for that. Here in North America people born into Christian families have left in droves.
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Too right - we can't understand what you say either.
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I believe in God. And I know for sure, God believes in me, all of us.
We have our own joys and sorrows day by day... Those are such proofs on how God believes in us, makes a choice to whom God believe in, according to individual quality of belief.
After that, it's our turn to make one choice (decide) on how we make such questions (like this thread) and how we answer those ones. There are much more choices to be made, for sure.
And the point of our choices is the effect whether the choices we've made create better conditions of anything or worst ones.
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so do u mean that we eat, drink and live to belive in god. weird
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That would be a simple and unequivocal "yes" for me.
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That would be a simple and unequivocal "yes" for me.
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My most recent post is about the topic on God.
Your Opinion: Does God Exist?
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[joeyblogs] I agree with on that. I believe that we will know when we die, unless we seize to exist, then we would never know for sure. but I always say, "well if I'm wrong and there is a god/jesus, & I'm going to hell" welp ,make me a list of those you want me to say hello to...lol...I'll be the one selling ice-cubes"
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Well, I guess we've seen it all -- spamming for Christ.
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Interesting to note that atheists can only claim they believe with "almost 100% certainty" that there is no God.
Christians believe with 100% certainty that Christ is our Savior.
Our biggest problem appears to be one of ego. We want to determine for ourselves right and wrong and have a strong desire for independence. It is this desire that has both sparked and continues this very debate. In regard to this subject, I believe Albert Einstein (one of the most brilliant scientific minds ever born and the foundation of many of the arguments here) said it best:
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."
--Albert Einstein-
"Interesting to note that atheists can only claim they believe with "almost 100% certainty" that there is no God."
What is so interesting about it? Of course one cannot prove something doesn't exist! It is not falsifiable. Just as you can't prove the toothfairy, goblins, trolls, and flying pink unicorns don't exist.
"Christians believe with 100% certainty that Christ is our Savior." - That is not something to brag about. I need not explain why.
*sigh* People trying get Albert Einstein on their side again, when his views were perfectly clear on the subject -
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
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True, you can't prove something exists. You absolutely can, however, believe in something 100%. I do. So do many others I know (including other religious beliefs). But not atheists. It seems that deep down they realize there is something bigger than themselves out there. They just don't know what it is. So to avoid that fear (and the insecurity that follows) they claim to believe in nothing. Well almost.
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So you're calling atheists cowards now?
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There is another quote that is probably better suited for this discussion.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
This doesn't seem to be a group of people seeking the truth. Rather, it appears to be many people arguing a point of view they are already 99.999999% sure is true.
Good luck Morgan. And to all. I hope you find what it is you are seeking. God Bless.-
LOL. You seem like the one convinced you stance is true. After all, you did say that Christians believe with 100% certainty that Christ is our Savior. Practice what you preach or all is lost of that in which you teach.
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The is a big difference between "belief" and "truth or knowing".
In a religion there always comes the word belief, you believe that there is god, but we atheist know that there is no god.
beliefs change, but the truth doesnt.
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Yes I believe in God. My Reasoning is that he reveals himself in a very personal way. He caters to your life so that it will be easier for you to understand him/her. Within my own life it is undeniable.The only pre-requisite is that you know he's there!!
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Abraham Lincoln said it best, "The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God cannot be for and against the same thing at the same time."
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Yes, I believe in god from listening to his word. Sometimes things cannot be explained, He will guide us. I have followed his word since I was born and I still do and I believe in god. -
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If someone doesnt believe in anything higher then himself he must be an idiot, so there you have your answer why some people dont beleive, because of their huge Ego and they cant see anything else because they are blind, the only thing they see is themselves.Being in this physical form is a miracle itself, how many proofs for a God or something greater do you need? Look Around...-
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Hehe, a nice reflection of my satrical piece - www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2008/11/24/there-probably-isnt/#more-740
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most probablity it might be funded by some religious group, dont build your views on just a single documentary, many more are available with an opposite view point.
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@ rakeshmaya - this is a silly comment my friend, let me tell you that if you don't exist in this life, it doesn't means that God doesn't exist.. it meas he just didn't create you
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I do, God has changed my life. Check out how at my blog anthonycolarusso.com-
Nice Blog acolaru
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Yes, there is a God. Not some white dude with a beard throwing thunderbolts. Not anything even remotely human looking...but everything there is, is a part of God and all one.
I used to be an atheist and was highly scientific. I still am. But in attempting to come to terms with the inability for Quantum physics to merge with General Relativity...with a bit of rather unsettling Chaos Theory thrown in...I discovered a solution --> all is one.
That opened a door for seeing God...backed by a scientific belief and open minded curiousity...and I was astounded to find evidence of God everywhere --when previously there was none. So I found God through Science.-
Amazing how the Holy Spirit works!
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@Generopolis
My experience is in agreement with yours - all is one. I do not believe in the Judeo/Christian construct of god because I do not experience it. As no empirical evidence of the existence of Judeo/Christian construct of god has ever been presented, it's extremely foolish to suggest that anyone is compelled to continue believing in something that they have utterly rejected. However, some Christians persist in doing this to the detriment of all.
IMO they ought to be mindful of this: "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Brennan Manning
This quote accurately describe why many the world over have turned away from "freedom of religion" and toward "freedom from religion" and why many people who have been raided as Christians have left the churches.
I cannot believe in that which I do not experience. What I experience is that when I meditate and all the things associated with my "self" like greed, anger, hate, etc. dissolve is that there really is no self; there is no distinct being that is separate from the universal stream of pure consciousness -- quiet joy, peace, love ie. god.
Neither male nor female, neither good nor bad, neither light nor darkness but containing all there is and situate everywhere: the universal stream of consciousness flowing through all is god. Hence, god is found in everyone and in everything; god just keeps on is-ing.
The best decision I ever made in my life was to toss the dogma and doctrine of Christianity into the trashcan, turn my back on the church, and learn how to meditate. Because when I did I found the universal stream of consciousness that is god.
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I don't believe in God but i don't say there isn't one , I believe there may or may not be a god , I respect those who believe there is a god . When i was 7 years old i was kicked out of church for asking what is an angel . I have no religion but i believe in the spirituality that can be found in them or in other forms of philosophy. -
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this thread is going no where, i thought simply by answering the question and give our reason would be enough.
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how is it going nowhere? Where and how is it supposed to go? I find it rather telling.
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I agree that this thread is going nowhere. However, there is never a destination involved when it comes to these forum threads. There is no resolution when it comes to the issues nor is there meant to be.
Like you when I first arrived here I assumed that members would post once to any thread and that would be that. But the threaded comments led to questions, and to further dialog, and all too frequently to less than pleasant conversations. This is because there are those who feel they have a vested interest in keeping these threads alive so they can "teach and or preach".
FWIW if you check the forum searchbox you will find no less than 60 pages of posts dedicated to the subject of the existence or non-existence of god. And, most assuredly this won't be the last one posted.
Christians will continue to pound their paper pope and those who experience god in a non Juseo/Christian construct will have their experiences invalidated. Atheists, agnostics and secular humanists will continue to post and Christians will continue to indicate their scorn and contempt towards those who like myself tossed all Christian dogma and doctrine into the garbage can years ago.
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Well, 95% of Americans consistently say they believe in God. Yes, I believe in God. I think a better question for today's world is "What God do you believe in?" My answer to that question is that Jesus is Lord. Looking forward to conversing with anyone here or at my blog on the subject. Thanks for the question!-
Where did you get that 95% figure please? Can you provide a citation?
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Nope...not the one that everyone tries to shove down my throat...I believe we are energy and will return to our original form...I believe their is one conscious mind the we make up as a whole...
www.free-green-energy.com
It's where you learn to be earth friendly and tell the electric company to go screw someone else...get your Free Green Energy today!-
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Nope...not the one that everyone tries to shove down my throat...I believe we are energy and will return to our original form... I believe there is one conscious mind the we make up as a whole...
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The consciousness I refer to is NOT everyday consciousness; it's the consciousness experienced during meditation. Is that the same consciousness you two are referring to?
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There are many good people in the world doing good works who are secular humanists. Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that upholds reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and the spiritual as warrants of moral reflection and decision-making. Like other types of humanism, secular humanism is a life stance focusing on the way human beings can lead good and happy lives. More specifically, secular humanism is a eupraxsophy, a non-religious life stance.
Secular humanists promote rational, human-based viewpoints on important social and ethical issues, most particularly, issues where traditional religion obstructs the right to equality under the law and self-determination, such as, freedom of choice in sexual relationships, reproduction, and voluntary euthanasia.
Tenets
Secular humanism describes a world view with the following elements and principles:
* Need to test beliefs - A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted on faith.
* Reason, evidence, scientific method - Commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence, and scientific methods of inquiry, rather than faith and mysticism, in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.
* Fulfillment, growth, creativity - A primary concern with fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general.
* Search for truth - A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.
* This life - A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.
* Ethics - A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.
* Building a better world - A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.
Many secular humanists have improved my quality of life immensely by simply sharing their points of view with me. Their sharing has assisted me to become more openminded and has improved my capacity for rational thought. I value the friendships of secular humanists very highly because they live in the now moment, and what they do for others they do without expectations of "heavenly rewards". -
Nice theory Steve~
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Yes I believe in GOD...
I asked him to take me out, while in a bad period of my life...I was almost killed by a boyfriend, ( I was crushed by that alone!) lost my job, residence and a kid of the system truly unwanted. For some reason I couldn't make things happen?
I got deathly ill shortly after within 3 days a cold than bronchitis than a double pneumonia. I wasn't expected to make it..well, I did and he spared my life ...
at that time I was homeless for the 4th time, again, and deeply discouraged, I had nowhere to turn, I told GOD I couldn't stand it any longer..I wanted to die and he almost fulfilled that request..I had nothing, no one, not even myself for seriously being violated..
within two weeks I was in the hospital in the ICU.
I had less than 20 chance to make it .. I was on life support for over 2 weeks,, in the hospital for one month.. life has been a struggle for me with the big heart ..why was life so rotten? but I'm still here!!
I truly believe in the power of prayer.Divine intervention is the one thing that saved me from death, actually on more than one occasion..
I believe in the power of prayer and even tho my heart's desire still has not come to pass, I pray to GOD- and I do it alot, not just for myself, but others who are suffering deeply in life...
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So God has shown himself to me in my life ..
1. not being killed by a raving maniac...
2. two curing me from a serious illness...
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I DO..the reason being I was right in the middle of a grizzly attack (besides almost being stabbed to death).. my life flashed before my eyes. I said calmly to him 'please please please put the knife down'..I prayed hard..I was scared shit less.. and prayed!!! he the dropped the knife but continued the horror,, but, I survived-miracle.
I was so upset and disillusioned with my life and what had happened ever since I can remember.. Being a survivor doesn't make one automatically strong.. when you're in the middle of it. I have been through so much it IS a miracle that I am still here, not over come by addiction, hatred, Prison, etc..
I believe GOD comforts us when we are at OUR weakest moments, we might not believe so than, but it will be revealed to us in the future.. You can believe that....
Modern medicine isn't the only thing that saves us..It's not the only thing that saved me and my attending told me years later,..
I should have been dead-flat..
I have seen visions of God while asleep -those are cool dreams, I did not want them to end..the Holy Spirit actually came to me one time, I was homeless, while at a Church..a Golden light-it was a surreal experience..
(I won't go into details) and I still didn't believe?-I was stubborn....
We seem to question GOD all the time, as to why, show me,give to me.. what are we giving back to God? .. what I hear from people is "In God's Time" perhaps you don't, but I know people do.. question GOD all the time and if he even exist?.
I had always questioned whether there was a GOD since I had been through so much. I was stubborn and never wanted to believe. I still question at times, I guess that is when we are suppose to have Faith.
Than you get these lil signs here and there as Karen had described. I have always been spiritual even as a youngster....
I'm not talkin religion here but the Divine being known as GOD.. I'm stil learning. These are the questions of man if GOD truly exists? Everyone's path is different, their own journey, to spiritual enlightenment. Whether one attempts to seek GOD, is by his or her own free will.
GOD gives us free will-THAT is a hard lesson to learn. We try and make things OUR way. God first, should always be foremost in all human lives.
It doesn't matter what religion you practice there is only one GOD..
It's great to have conversation no matter how many posts their are on God,Religion,Spirituality etc, at least, people are asking these questions?
It's great for the Spirit and great for your heart if your open to it~
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I know I have lived it...
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Strike my last sentence in repsonse to TT above her response to me above, I was unable to finish my sentence.. lmao!:):)
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Yes, I do believe in God.
The older I get the more I come to realize that I'm not doing this without some help. It's when I look back that God's presence is the most noticable. When my kids were small and my husband absent, I always had the strength I needed to take care of them. Especially while I was going through a divorce. I felt like I'd stepped off a cliff, but God caught me gently in his hand and I'm doing fine now.
I once heard of a man that was doubting God's existence. As he was lying under a tree he prayed that God would uproot the trees around him and send thunder and lightning crashing all around him to prove He was there. Instead, what happened was a leaf softly and gently landed on his chest, right over his heart. I believe that's how God talks to us. We have to be paying attention because He doesn't scream and shout. He speaks to our hearts gently.
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Karen I LOVE that last sentence I truly believe you are right :):)
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Obviously Doug you donot need to partiscipate
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IMO the topic in this thread was "old" ie. equivalent to beating a dead horse in hopes of resurrecting it on the day it was posted. The 60 pages of posts on the same topic in the discussion searchbox are indeed very old. However, from what I have observed I feel confident saying that if there isn't a current does God exist? thread on the forum front page, then someone will simply start a new one or resurrect an old one.
We have Christians who want to share their blind faith beliefs, scriptures, testimonies and even threats and judgments. We have agnostics, atheists and secular humanists who want to promote rational, human-based viewpoints on important social and ethical issues. And we have self made philosophers who want to ask the same questions over and over again. I guessing that this old topic won't be buried anytime soon. -
And than there are those who have the time to monitor all of this stuff, complain about it, while at the same time participating in the fun themselves. LOL
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Glad you got a kick out of that. You getting a kick was definitely not random, it was not freely willed for no apparent cause. So it was caused, yes. And ultimately determined? there is a good probability. But that topic deserves a thread of its own.
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wheew I'm almost losing track which name to click~:)
Morgan, will strike that up to... "Cause & Effect!" :):)
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I wonder if anyone, God forbid. was in a violent situation what they would say what would be their first thought?
I need a drink? or "God please Help me!"
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I really don't appreciate you calling God, outta name like that, by throwin out the F-word like candy! secondly you didn't read my posts carefully. heavy sigh, you are full of hate. I believe God spares lives .. it's not God who kills people but the enemy! I also believe in karma-but you figure that one on ya-self!
I wouldn't expect you to understand, since you are clearly, a narrow-minded God hating man~ Holla
By the way I work in Oncology~
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Oh, yes, I have been in horrific situations, three times I already accepted that my death is inevitable. I never even thought about God then.
Other people in similar circumstances did die, so why do you think I was spared and they died?
You are suggesting that I was saved by God (that I don't believe in), so why me, why not these other people?
I've heard people that stayed alive in terrible accidents where many mor died thank God for saving them. Do they also blame God for not saving others? I guess not, but where is the logic?
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anyway, yes I believe in God. Reason... well there are a lot of reasons. hmm.. what's the best one? yeah, i don't know what the best reason is. it's obvious to me. the variation you see in nature.. the human body and brain.. the origin of morality. there are probably hundreds of reasons why i believe without getting in to theological reasons.-
True, Human body and the brain are fascinating, and they are only a simple prove of the existence of God.
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True, Human body and the brain are fascinating, and they are only a simple prove of the existence of God.
What proof? Where is your proof? Please provide citations.
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Evidently you are not a Holy man of God..by stating "F-God!" who the heck are you? We are Not talking about Religion, Dumb-ass!- yes that was God inspired to call, you, that! We are speaking about GOD and what people beliefs are?.Not only are you rude but ignorant!
The only person who is stupid, is you, with your stupid angry post. You need to buy a set of brains..ahh..too late!that was left for the Scarecrow....
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Use of foul language is a no no on this forum Read before Posting www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/read-before-posting-1
Pornography & Swearing
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As a person who has Masters in Mathematics & Religion, I believe in God. Just look at the universe; simplicity of flower; or Human Body. What would be the purpose of life without God? Human nature can sometimes be very evil but that is free will.-
[What would be the purpose of life without God?]
Perhaps life has no purpose unless the living put their own purpose into their individual lives?
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Thanks Halimkilic for your comment, sure I'll add u to my list.
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Absolutely. Not just because of the intricacies and aesthetics of the world, but how the people's lives (including my own) have unfolded from seemingly improbable circumstances time after time. Personally, through consistent prayer and reading of the Bible, I feel a true connection with the Creator of the world. As a person of science and reason, I see no conflicts between my faith in God and my scientific study. If nothing else, I hope my studies will help reveal the magnitude of God's creation.
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lol Palscience The Bible is what leads us to our understanding of God or any other Holy book for that matter..:)
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okee fine~on both counts~
while were at it quoting scripture is one thing & copying and pasting it another...if that's been done here (wondering) throughout this thread~ just a thought~
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no problem Palscience but I joined hours ago:)
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Deepak Chopra believes in higher consciousness, meditation and God~
the universe as one...
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Yes he is. He speaks of higher consciousness at the cellular level. But do understand his background and his meditation practice and how they are an interwoven part of what he writes about. When he speaks of "higher consciousness" does he refer to the consciousness of everyday life? No he does not. He speaks of it in terms of the consciousness achieved through meditation. The state of being free of all ego drives and needs - oneness with all there is.
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deepak chopra knows nothing, but to make money from fools who read him
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Gods exists because of Us and its not because of God that we exist.
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Why do god exist for some while he doesnt exist for others?
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Does God have sense organs, can he see, hear, or feel?
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Does god know that he exists, and does he know we exist?
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Does god have a name or is it we give him a name?
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Who made god and where did he come from?
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Why did god create us, is it to play with us, or to laugh at our incapabilities, or just make us relaize that there is god?
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Nice question. Well I don't know what others say in this matter, but i say yes, there is god because if you are in sorrow or at difficult time, and if there is no one to help you then, you remember the allmgihty god. YOu believe upon him at that time. Well, god is none other than our subconscious mind which directs or motivates us in case of some unforgetful incidents. -
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Jawahar Lal Nehru Expresses The Following Opinion
" Hinduism as a faith is vague, emorphous, many sided, all things to all men. It is harldy possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usuall sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and practices, form the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other"
Napoleaon Bonaparte Says ( A very well known French Leader )
" I hope the time is not far off when i shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the pricipals of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness. Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence. Society of true christians would not be a society of men"
Al Quran Sura 2: Verse no 136
" Say ye: We believe
In God, and the revelation
Given to us and to Abraham,
Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob,
And the Tribes, and that given
To Moses and Jesus, and that given
To (all) Prophets from their Lord,
We make no difference
Between one and another of them
And we bow to God (in Islam)." -
I think I believe in god. I do believe there is a higher being, but not sure about the shape that it takes in our lives. I guess I am still searching. I used to be a practicing Mormon..a long time ago. Organized religion can be disappointing if you excpet too much. If you excpet people to be unfallible in their beliefs and actions. When it all comes down to it, we are all just unique indivisiuals with our own unique take of god or faith..everyone of us is different. -
voodoo...so right..zero sum!
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I'd like to say no but it seems to wipe out any and all possibilities which seems silly. I don't believe in the god we were taught about in Sunday school. -
I too have had to many things happen in my life that have no explanation except some higher being interceding. I practice one religion but I believe religions are just a tool to the means and therefore we need to find the religion that makes us the best person possible. And sometimes I have meet people with no religion who are awesome people totally in tune with the universe.
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ordinarywoman, thanks for your comment. Yea its difficult to choose the religion that you actually believe in and makes you the best person possible.
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Religions confuse at best. God is nothing short of awesome, and fully capable of answering any question you might have. He is The Creator, and Holy. You dont need pastor or priest. In an additude of humility , in the quiet of your own space. humbly ask Him to reveal himself. If you are sincere He Will come to you just as He promised to do.-
@ssnuggy
OOPS! that sure doesn't sound like an answer to the question in the OP. It sure sounds like preaching to me, and Admin have made it clear more than once, that these forum threads cannot be used in that manner.
Here's some unsolicited advice. If you have an answer based on personal experience then share it. Share it in ordinary every day words, rather in jargon like Christian speak, and maybe some of those members, who are not Christians, will be interested in reading what you have to say.
How does your God answer your questions?
What form do these answers come in?
Do you hear a disembodied voice?
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@timethief give me a break already. He didn't do anything negative. We need preaching from time to time. What are you going to burn into flames from hearing it. Let the guy speak. Its a free country.
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there's A god, but noone should try and claim IT/HIM/HER as their own.-
I think people claim (their) god as their own, becuase each believer has their own self created deity. That is why it is called a personal god, because each person makes up their own. If one questions god, they get insulted because their god is an extension of them and their imagination, it IS them, and because of this, they take it personal. That's my take on it.
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Sorry....incorrect! Saying one has a "personal god" is a cop out. Those who say so are just trying to be politically correct or are trying to appease those that don't yet know that there is one God, who you get to know through Jesus Christ.
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LOL, my usage of "personal god," was of course, a play on words to lead to another point.
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Yes I do believe in God and His existence. Without him, we would not exist. -
For all the disbelievers here, please read Matrix Energitics, the latest insights in Quantum theory, interconnectedness, universal or collective consciousness and our own energetic abilites.
Stop following beliefs imposed by foreign constructs, find your own truth through examining your feelings and energies.
As Bruce Lee said, if there's no feeling, there's nothing there.
Daniel
danielpeci.blogspot.com/-
Bruce Lee was an atheist. LOL.
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Quotation fail. I should take a screenshot and send it to the Fail Blog
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Send it! Send it! Send it!
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no, thanks. I believe in me.-
Very sad.
Did you know the Bible is Jesus' love letter to YOU?! -
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Yea, what are you talking about TBR, that is uncalled for. You of all people should know better than to belittle ones beliefs. What is wrong with believing in yoursel
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