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Do you prefer to go to Heaven or Hell?
Posted by footiam • 7/22/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: heaven, hell
Where are these places in the first place? Is Heaven a place where angels dwell or what?
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I don't want to say anything I'll regret later.
But for the sake of humor: I'd be more entertained with lots of fire and naked chicks (Like in a white zombie video) as opposed to things like harps and bright clouds. -
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/search.php?q=heaven%20or%20hell there are plenty of other discussion threads about heaven or hell. Please use of them to discuss this topic. -
Here is a really great group to ask that question too instead of here..
www.blogcatalog.com/group/religious-debate-
Thanks ChicaX
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Ya beat me to it, almost!
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Not even close! I wasn't looking in the Groups as that would cause a debate as to why BC doesn't want religious discussions in the main discussion area.
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Well for me it's not a matter of not wanting them here, I just wanted to toss that out there, because your right this thread has been around a lot lately. So I was hoping it would go another route.
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Good toss. I suppose if Im really interested in discussing a particular issue and want to get real insights and intelligent conversation I'd go to the community or group that is about that topic. Otherwise, it seems more like an exercise with other intentions.
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We could always just turn this into a randomly blasphemous topic as to why hell might be cooler. Come on..White Zombie! Slayer! Cannibal Corpse! Britney!
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Tony exactly!
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If Slayer can find a way to rig band equipment in Hell, that would be awesome. -
Eh, Freddy Krueger makes it seem like an easy task.
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@riverystyxxx, your choice. blasphemy allowed.
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It just doesn't seem like it would be fun anymore. But yeah, if religion is allowed then blasphemy should be too. I don't even click on those religious topics anymore because everyone is right and everyone else is wrong.
I'm not in favor of banning religious talk, it's just something that doesn't interest me when you have 500 replies on one page, while I have to ignore people like MadameX showing up to yell at me every day...It's funny actually, today she accused me of having a "My opinion is the only one" attitude..While failing to understand that the #1 topic among religion is exactly the same underlying idea. -
The greatest irony is that a lot of people seem capable of logic and reason... TO AN EXTENT. When you throw anything in the mix that is covered by either the Bible or Catechism, it seems as though they are unwilling to question anything.
Then, for increased irony, they ask atheists, "What if you are wrong?" -
@voodo, this is an example of you attacking a members ability rather than engaging them in discussion. Please!
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I'll try to keep it to a low roar.
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"I don't even click on those religious topics anymore because everyone is right and everyone else is wrong."
Congratulations, River. Seriously. That simple act of restraint seems to be beyond many of our members.
@Kobra: You've made a logical error yourself in your complaint here...you begin with the issue of the CAPABILITY to reason and think logically and then shift to WILLINGNESS TO QUESTION as if they were the same thing.
I suspect that part of your comment is directed at me, since I spent many years teaching and writing curriculum relating to logical application. (Though only part, because I've certainly never said "What if you're wrong?") Choosing not to question certain things has nothing to do with an ability (or lack thereof) to reason or dissect or analyze or any other such thing. It is simply a choice to defer on certain issues and not to choose to substitute your own judgment in certain circumstances.
Slightly off topic but related: One of the most important things I learned as I aged, which I definitely did not know when I was in my teens and twenties and pretty impressed with my own intellect, is that "That doesn't make sense to me" and "That doesn't make sense" are not necessarily equivalent statements. -
MadamX, I suspect that voodoo may not have used the best choice of words to convey his thought, but I think his intentions were to demonstrate that people are willing to apply logic and reason to most of their everyday experiences\events, yet when it comes to the bible, their faith, religion, etc... they suddenly refrain from using the same level of logic and reason they are willing to apply to everything else in their lives. -
Possibly, Morgan--and that's a different issue entirely, and one that I wouldn't dispute on its face, although I can definitely tell you that it's more complicated than that. As a person who was raised without religion and happily certain that I had all the answers and didn't require anyone else's input for most of my life, I've never been "victimized" by the kind of "indoctrination" that many atheists presume is the only thing that creates Christians. Rather, my view of what constituted "evidence" shifted based on my own experience, and those experiences and new perceptions factored into a reconsideration of my previous beliefs.
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"Slightly off topic but related: One of the most important things I learned as I aged, which I definitely did not know when I was in my teens and twenties and pretty impressed with my own intellect, is that "That doesn't make sense to me" and "That doesn't make sense" are not necessarily equivalent statements."
MadameX you just moved up a notch in my book. That puts you at notch 1. -
[I've never been "victimized" by the kind of "indoctrination" that many atheists presume is the only thing that creates Christians.]
Personally, I think that in many cases the indoctrination or conditioning is quite subtle or applied "softly" and therefore practically goes unnoticed and unchallenged. It's rare that people will feel victimized from this kind of conditioning or indoctrination. -
But applied by whom, Morgan? My family doesn't practice any religion and I had been working for years (at the time I began to reconsider) in an academic environment. It's convenient to assume that people who don't think they were indoctrinated just didn't notice it happening, but it's a bit of a stretch for a person who claims to base everything in logic...were you thinking maybe a rogue Christian (one I didn't know personally, because I knew very few, if any) snuck into my house at night and played hypnosis tapes or something?
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I never said I was talking about you. And not everyone came to believe in the same way you did. (Although we are all "conditioned" one way or another) Also, no I am not talking about someone sneaking in at night and using hypnosis tapes.
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Morgan, you may or may not have been talking about me, but blanket statements have blanket application, right? Obviously not everyone came to believe the way that I did, but it's equally obvious that not everyone came to believe in the way that many atheists like to assume in argument. Over and over again such statements suggest or outright state that there's no way to come to be a Christian except through brainwashing. The indoctrination assumption is very much a lazy man's argument (actually, it sort of smacks of indoctrination...) and in any case evades the real issue since (as you well know) how someone came to believe something has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's true.
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as you said, "that's a different issue entirely."
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I agree with the notion of deleting purely aggressive or provocative religious threads.
As for the heaven/hell question, I'd go with hell. If God exists and is really as strict and tyrannical as the Bible makes him out to be, I'd rather be far away from him. The burning would make up for it.-
I picture hell being like that part on the beavis and butthead movie where he eats that cactus and just trips out. Girls with big boobs and hot pants, demons with flailing tongues spitting fire, and funny-cars with 8-ball shifters seems like more of a hoot than sitting on a cloud and watching the price is right.
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Christians have told me that Hell is simply the absence of god. "So, reality then? You're threatening me with actuality; with truth?" I don't have a lot of Christian friends.
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@voodo, Im suggesting not only delete threads but also parts of threads where statements are made simply to aggravate the other and not focus on the discussion.
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I don't know what the religious beliefs are of people I know, that's how little I really care about the whole subject. I've learned EVERYTHING I need to know about it from George Carlin.
He told me that god will send you to hell to burn and suffer for eternity if he catches you doing so much as jerking off. But he Loves everyone. Oh and he says that all the religions combined give him a three day weekend: Friday-Sunday are off for him. I wonder if he needs a union, with those benefits?
Oh, and when a relative dies, he really disagrees that anyone is "Looking down, smiling at us" or "Helping us with life" in any way. -
@TonyB:
Well, that's perfectly reasonable. -
@TonyB:
It also won't work for long. Religious people tend to be intolerant and push the panic button on a whim. If some posts are removed, people will fear that either the admins are picking sides or they'll play the "Religious persecution" card with their ace-up-the-sleeve being "Censorship". Pretty soon you'll have angry religious nuts posting topics of "Why was my post removed you meanie?!!?" and it could start an argument on the original topic.
Just remember that wonderful group that begins with an 'S', perfect example.
Another point is that our original poster took off because he may have felt he wasn't welcome. That was just another panic button, keep in mind that some religious people are identical on habits. God didn't intend on spreading the good word by means of fiber optic cable I guess. Some religious people are clinging to just about any form or spreading the message...They even make Christian Hardcore music. It's bizarre stuff.
Of course, nothing I say is meant to be taken literally anyway. -
@river, my comments were being directed towards non-religious believers as well. There seems to be a constant use of religious topics on here, by people who have no faith, aimed at generating attention and creating friction.
I am not suggesting censorship anymore than the type of restrictions that take place in the office space or in some families. What I am saying is that when posts are used simply to outrage or aggravate other members they will be removed.
Often times, the use of Christian or other religious threads to outrage and aggravate takes on a flavor of spam and trolling, more than anything else.
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I'd prefer going to Valhalla.-
So you're a fan of dying on your feet in favor of living on your knees?
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Yes! Definitely.
Also, seeing Slayer live every night would be heaven to me.
But there's a paradox. What if I really liked Slayer, and I became a newborn Christian. Suggest I get to go to heaven. But heaven to me would be to see Slayer. Every night. Would Slayer also get to go to heaven? Or would they be in hell and my heaven would be less than perfect, thus also hell?
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Heaven and Hell are in between a thought!!!-
I don't know as i never been there. Which one is better?
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Yes, weblogian, which one is better? It depends on our tastes. Some like it cold and some like it hot.
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Heaven and Hell are man made concepts used as "operant conditions," understood by the general public as simply "consequences," particularly a "positive reinforcement" and a "positive punishment." used in an attempt to condition peoples behaviors.
I don't believe heaven or hell exist.-
I would recommend reconsidering. -
I think he is just joking.
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[I think he is just joking.]
LOL! No, it's not a joke. -
Sadly, he is not joking.
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I'm with morgantj. -
[Sadly, he is not joking.]
sadly you find it sad. -
Sadly, Ruski is not joking.
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@footiam,
Describe more..
I can bear
Hot=40 celsius
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I can't believe anyone would actually come here and type a response other than someone coming in here and typing a response about the disbelief that anyone would come in here and actually respond to this question.
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Why not, dlowe? There are different understandings of hell and some even advance the view that some people are better suited to it than heaven, and others that it's really the same "place" and the difference is in how you experience it based on who you've become during your lifetime. There is an honest difference of opinion as to whether the fire and such is literal or metaphorical, and many religions do teach that the principal punishment of hell is eternal separation from God--something atheists are unlikely to view as much of a threat.
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My link of choice on the topic.
www.allaboutpopularissues.org/is-hell-real.htm
Note: This is not my blog, site, forum, or company. I do not benefit in any way from posting this link... (other than knowing I've just passed along useful info) -
If it is not wikipedia or Richard Dawkins approved nobody is going to read it anyways.
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I know....but my hope is in the Lord!
Hey, Christians can have fun, too! If bathroom humor reigns here, why can't we share our two bits!?! -
I read it. It assumes that "god exist" and that the "bible is true" as the basis for its conclusion that "hell is real." As it states that "hell is real" because it says so in the bible. Unfortunetly, the verity of the premises it bases it's conclusion off of are as questionable as the conclusion.
However, I did take the time to read it. -
morgantj....sometimes you really are a breath of fresh air! Seriously!
Yes, you are correct. It does make that connection between God existing in the first place. -
@MadameX: I'm really glad someone finally brought that up, but you know, the other side of it is that God made you, and as your maker and your heavenly father, I really don't think he wants to be separated from you. My personal opinion at the moment (though it does change from time to time) is its not so much whether you're suited for it, because "in my fathers house there are many mansions," but rather whether you go to see the Father in honor and the justification of Christ, having made peace with God and lived your life as it was intended to be lived and as you were made to be, becoming the very hero that Father always wanted you to be, or in complete and public shame, and eternal condemnation, with no hope of making amends, by your peers and by God.
The punishment is not fire and brimstone, but being so shamed by your own maker that you cannot even stand to look at his face any longer, and the fires and worms of your own character eat at the inside of you in your isolation, the Outer Darkness of your own ostricization. Anyone who comes to God and rectifies himself with the Lord will be accepted, but some just won't, and they will live with the full unprotected knowledge of exactly what they did for the rest of eternity.
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I'll go to that special place in purgatory where all the philosophers went before there was a christianity or islam. I could sit down and maybe as if by magic speak with Plato, Aristotle, Lao Tse, and Confucius. -
Where are these places in the first place? Is Heaven a place where angels dwell or what?
I do not believe there is a heaven.
I do not believe there is a hell.
I believe that those who keep posting religious threads to this forum are delusional, if they think doing so will lead to "deep" discussion, promotion of goodwill and the establishment of healthy relationships.
Relationships are often troubled when religious differences arise but when they do we all have the choice of seeking spiritual common ground rather than dwelling on differences. We can choose to let the sun shine in. This may be harder to do in internet relationships but if we are focused on conscious living it can be done.
IMO following any spiritual path is not about pledging an allegiance to institutional doctrine, dogma or a reliance on scriptures. Scriptures from all faiths provide guidelines, inspiration and contain wisdom. At the personal level spirituality is about experience and practice. Granted that individuals and groups have different explanations for what they experience but, there are teachings and tenets for practices that can be recognized as universal, regardless of which spiritual path one may follow:
dana = authentic generosity (charitable giving of the self and sharing of possessions, donation)
metta = selfless love and good will toward all beings (loving kindness)
karuna = compassion (respect, acceptance, forgiveness)
mudita = altruistic joy filled with peace and contentment (appreciative joy at the success and good fortune of others)
sila = self discipline -abstaining from physical and vocal actions that cause harm to oneself and others
uppekka = equanimity (an inclusive state of open mind free of attachment, aversion, bigotry, craving, ignorance and intolerance)
These universals are the essence of teachings of both Buddha and of Jesus. They are also found in other religious and spiritual traditions as well. I think they do constitute common ground for all people who are aware of their spiritual nature. And, it's my experience that many religious people are not aware of their spiritual nature.-
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Weblogian: What does communism have to do with Buddhism? Are you making a judgment that because China might have some Buddhists, and China is a Communist country, that all Buddhists are Communists?
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TT Stated many times "I dont believe"
I was thinking she don belive in God either. -
I like what you said, timethief, agree with you too except the disillusional part. Besides, this post is not supposed to be religious in nature.
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Sometimes I think I'm already in hell!-
Heard heaven is a place on earth. Not so sure about Hell though!
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Yes, Hell is a place on earth too. And it freezes over..
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hahaha...the coldest hell ever!
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i m not beleive on the concept of heaven or hell. -
I'll go for hell, because with heaven you think you've reached the goal and are totally deluded, whereas with hell you know you're trapped on the wheel of life and ant to move forward. -
neither of two-
You prefer to stay in reality?
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morg.
for me reality is a variable (in an IT way)
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who likes to go to hell..???-
People who have been there perhaps!
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HEAVEN HEAVEN HEAVEN -
I'd prefer Hell. There, I don't have to spend the rest of eternity worshiping something.
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I'd rather be in Heaven. -
Ignore this. I hit the wrong button.
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Does anyone really PREFER to go to Hell?-
Some people claim Marilyn Monroe is there and that's reason enough, I suppose.
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I would, but not because of Marilyn Monroe.
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Hell yes! Hell has all the good bands and all the bad girls.
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mmm. i don tthink anyone would like to go to hell. lol even the phrase is offensive. goign to hell would be something undesirable by most. everyoen likes the image of going onto fluffy clouds and the gate and being iwth god and being with angels and living int he sky. no one wants to live in a dark hot underground enviroment and be in pain all the time. -
Did anyone see George Carlins last performance on this subject says it all. LOL -
Great discussion! To answer the question: As a Jew, it's a no-brainer. We don't have hell. -
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Footiam says Marilyn Monroe is there; that's enough. Did you all know that Marilyn had six toes on one foot? I don't know what this piece of trivia has to to do with anything, but I thought it interesting.
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Ha Ha! When people look at Marilyn, they don't look at toes...and they have other things in mind...
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Which serves alcohol?
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Hopefully Hell.
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Here's the catch:
All the servants are in heaven, but they don't drink except during communion, so nobody there will serve you any booze.
There's no booze in hell, because then it wouldn't be hell, and there's nobody there who would serve you any booze anyway.
It's the Chinese philosophers problem all over again. If you end up in heaven, you better make the most of your communion portions by saving them over a couple of weeks to get a decent amount of booze in at one time.
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The question "Do you prefer to go to Heaven or Hell?" has already been addressed by a Christian organization in the form of a PDF booklet. Download at: www.ucg.org/booklets/HL then come back here and voice your opinion.-
They draw like retards. I don't want to go where they go.
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Assuming heaven and/or hell actually exist (and I, personally, do not believe they do), I'd have to opt for hell.
Why? Because those people with whom I am acquainted who are so self-assured of their place in heaven are not people with whom I would wish to spend eternity. Smug, self-righteous, hypocritical, deluded, prideful, mean-spirited, biased, judgmental, disrespectful people who believe against all reason that they are god's chosen...they can have their heaven, because it would be a hell for me.-
I know what you mean. I will join you!
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I prefer to stay in reality
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We all have the experinces actually.
When we are happy now, we are in heaven in this very moment.
When we are angry now, we are in hell in this very moment.
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When I think of it in terms of life verses death I would prefer life. When I think of it in terms of abundance verses complete nothingness I would prefer abundance. When I think of it in terms of joy verses suffering I would prefer joy. So I would prefer life, abundance and joy in Heaven.-
Beautifully said!
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Hell is a women's rest room at a night club around 2:30 am. Heaven, I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm hoping to go there.
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Heaven is a place on earth! You are probably there now!
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The earth we live on is already heaven and hell. Heaven or Hell exists within humanity
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In my opinion we are all already in hell, we just don't realise that. If Earth is not hell, then I want to go there. It's warm and I will enjoy the company of all condemned and sinfull artists and philosofers eg; John Wilmot, Oscar Wild, Rembaud and half of the dead rock stars. -
Hell of course.............not. -
Like about 70% of the world, I beleive in reincarnation... I also think earth is the model for Hell: we're baked by a giant ball of fire all day, at least some part of the earth! without water, you'll die standing in the sun within a day most likely..
With reincarnation, you get to keep coming back to whatever your vision of earth is: heaven, hell, or purgatory (in-between, awaiting judgment)..
perhaps reincarnation for hundreds of lifetimes is the process necessary for building up a proper "judgment" for our souls, if that is a reality.. or we eventually evolve beyond the physical incarnations, perhaps, and become spiritual from then on - is that "angels"?
In at least two films (A Life Less Ordinary, Don't Tempt Me), angles are incarnated in human form and don't like it, it's a kind of punishment! the threat used againd angels Delroy Lindo and Holly Hunter in "Life.." (from Danny Boyle), was "make these two humans fall in love or you'll have to be incarnated into bodies again".. hilarious!
Some say (Hindus) that we create our own afterlife at our time of death with our own beliefs! Better be careful "what you wish for"!
All this and more at my metaphysics site: bibledecoded.blogspot.com
and films like Boyle's at: worldsbestfilms.blogspot.com
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yep: heaven has plagues, famine, drought, war, constant toil...
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Of course I prefer to go to Heaven.
You can read book is available in English under the title Paradise and Hell, by ‘Umar al-Ashqar. -
Heaven -
Heaven of course, I don't want to go to hell? Read the Bible if you want the truth about Heaven. -
I do not believe in heaven and hell. I believe the reward for a life well lived is the ability to fully appreciate those blessings in our lives and the ability to give and receive love.
To me the Bible is just a bunch of words written by a bunch of dudes who thought they had an inkling about what God might think or say.
relying on it as a guide to how to live is like writing a paper based only on Cliff notes, you have the right idea but not the whole thing. -
I don't know about heaven, but I've seen a few angels in Victoria's Secrets. -
Since neither exist ... neither.
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Everyone knows all the cool people are in hell. And I hear they have special 'fun sundays' down at the mega lava pit where you can throw rotten eggs at Hitler and buy 'I flew a Boeing 747 into the WTC and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt' shirts from pissed off muslims trying to make a buck or two.-
I got rid of those peddlers. They weren't giving me a cut. And you don't get to throw eggs at Hitler, he is actually a maid at "Heaven". It's the best condo complex in hell. Very exclusive, has a great view of Fire Lake. -
Yeah, I've heard about that place. Didn't know Hitler was a maid there though. I thought he was a gardener in the Jewish Fire Gardens?
And they don't sell the T-shirts anymore? Ah bummer, I wanted one!! -
Hitler enjoyed the egg throwing, he felt it validated him. Which makes sense, since being hated in hell is kind of hard to do. He was a gardener but I had to close down the garden. The owners got behind on rent, and I'm not big on flowers.
You can get a T-shirt, but you have to go online. I just couldn't have them undercutting me. -
I don't think I can go online when I get there. You have to get free time privileges for the weekends to go to the Interwebs of Satan cybercafe and for the first few years I've been tasked with digging new layers of hell. I recently got a letter from Him (Satan), saying that I had officially surpassed the last layer of hell and that if I were to come live there in 70 years or so, I'd have to dig new layers first.
I thought it was quite an honor at first but then I realized I will probably be living there alone when it's done.
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of course heaven! you know how good it is to feel like in heaven. hehehe...
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with REINCARNATION we're stuck here FOREVER! THE EARTH has to be the model for HELL... baked by a ball of fire all day? 97% of our calories go to keep our blood warm? we're dumping sewage and garbage all over the planet daily??
We're either HELL or a giant PRISON, armed guards are in every nation and at every border!!
SO are we HELL or just a big PRISON??? --- EL-
There should still be a choice to go heaven! There's always a loophole somewhere.
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INTELLIGENT DESIGN?- someone said.. we SPEND 97% of our calories keeping our blood at 98.6 degrees! IF we were cold-blooded like fish, lizards, etc (they have brains, hearts and nerves also), we could get by on just 3% of the food we consume, with the resulting 97% DROP in sewage, and we could easily grow enough food for everyone on the planet. Most heat/cold wouldn't kill us either - AM I CRAZY?? (LOL, don't answer)
So are WE designed "as best as possible" with intelligence, or could we be improved upon if WE designed life itself? (and I mean the physical being, don't even get into war, violence, sadism and other atrocities we commit daily) -
Oh, Hell, obviously-it's where all the interesting people are. :-)) -
Heaven, of course! Although, I don't believed the Heaven or Hell we are told as children exist. I believed we create our own reality. Therefore, if our thoughts are more positive, after we die we will go to a spiritual place filled with light. If our thoughts are more negative, we will go to a place filled with darkness. -
I want to meet Satan....so hell-
Interesting people like Jim Morrison. :-)
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Although Jim wants to go to heaven, a person like him obviously reaches heaven...he he
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thinkin of earth today.we are already in hell..-
If earth is hell.....
Hell would be something like HELLER
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i would rather stay here..in bc
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