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Do you think an ebook is a book?
Posted by penandspindle • 12/13/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: publishing, writing
eBook writers spend as much time researching, writing and perfecting their manuscripts as writers of hard copy. But, do you feel that an eBook is a book? Why?
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These days? Absolutely.
You can self-publish as well with sites like www.lulu.com/
Let us know when you get done with your book.
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I have read some good ebooks and bad ones, just like books.
The last ebook I purchased was on eBay a few weeks ago and I didn't like it.
I didn't think about it much and accidently erased it from the pc -
Depends on how it's presented and the content. If it looks like a multi-page advertisement for something and has lots of hyperlinks back to a website, it's not an ebook, it's just a promo tool. Ebooks should be enjoyable to read and/or offer real info.-
I absolutely agree.
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only if I am reading it from the kindle or a tablet... It gives me the feeling of a real book... -
You can now even get "The Classics" in ebook form, just as you can in audio form.
I'm not sure that one form is any better than another in today's world. There are e-books that were first published electronically, and then into a print form, just as the books that were published on paper and are now available electronically.-
Digital projects making available hard-to-come-by public domain books for historical research are an incredible boost to research. And, if you are crazy about period books, this is the way to access more than you can read.
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I don't consider it a book, just because you have to stay at your computer to read it, unless you have a blackberry that you could read it on. It just doesn't seem like a book to me when you don't have to physically change the page.-
For a very long time I felt this way, and still do in many ways, but ebooks can be attractive and useful for certain types of content. One of the benefits of ebook publishing is cost, another easy and quick access.
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yup. but most of the ebook are make money ones...which are all crap..pardon my french -
there is a niche right now with gaming ebooks, if any of you are good writer and a dedicated video gamer (pc platform) Kids are literally writing ebooks to put on ebay and making allot of money and the info is useful, and some have caught on to this fad and decided to make up junk to put in a ebbok and sell.
I happen to buy the junk one and should have known you get what you pay for.
It was cheap and the info was also....
Writing a ebook and giving it away free is a great way to get more readers I hear.-
It depends on the content. Nonfiction history is not something that can be reproduced as a template for 'more like this' because each piece of research tells a different story. You are right, though, ebooks while valid ways of selling content are open to abuse simply because the process of publishing ebooks and not its format need to be reconsidered.
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audio-books are books, too - right?-
I definitely consider audiobooks reading, but only if you're actually paying attention. This "listening to audiobooks while multitasking" thing isn't really reading, unless the multitasking is something mindless, like sorting laundry.
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If you print it and give it a nice cover, it must be a book! -
Ebooks - the same as a book - NO!
You'll never replace the holding, smelling and leafing through a book...
Its timeless, homely and reassuring....
Call us traditional but blog snippets are technically ebooks.
Now theres an idea.-
I agree. But I do think that there is a place for ebooks, especially information and nonfiction based content books. But there is no way it feels really comfortable curling up with an ebook reader and a cup of coffee.
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I believe an e book is still a book. It's just an electronic book. It can contain the same information as a "regular" book, it's just done on a newer medium.
It's also more convenient to produce, and I guess the environmentalists might argue, better for the earth. (less paper).
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I wrote an ebook about Inexpensive Jewelry Photography Techniques that I sell on the internet. So, yes I think that an ebook is still a book.
There are advantages to an ebook over a book printed on paper. The main advantages are that the ebook saves paper and trees. An ebook can be purchased and downloaded in a matter of a few minutes even in the middle of the night when bookstores are normall closed. They can be downloaded anywhere in the world where a person has computer access and an internet connection. They take up a lot less room because they are stored on a computer. -
yes, although it's much beter to mess up the pages of a hardcopy -
it does save trees and i am for that but i wouldnt trade my first edition harry potters for the world. They are wrapped and boxed and in safe keeping for my grandchildren. I need help I know -
Yes. Because it is a book. -
This is a great question because I recently finished an ebook and tried to sell it.
All i wanted was $5(NZ) for it. New Zealand's ebay (or TradeMe) won't recognise ebooks and won't allow them to be sold - which I thought disappointing. I am tried to sell it on my blog - but I haven't promoted my blog so haven't been selling. It is a Colouring-In Mandala Book so I really want to keep it digital. Now I am about to sell them on CD rather than a download. Hopefully that will be more encouraging for purchasers (and TradeMe).
www.treehousedwellers.blogspot.com-
You should think about Kindle and/or the Booklocker which are professional ebook publishers. You still have to market but your ebook finds its way into the search systems, and that makes a big difference
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Are ebooks "books?"
Yes, just as books written on bamboo strips are "books."
Western culture has become so used to the codex form of the book (thin sheets bound on one side, and generally enclosed in covers that are sturdier than the sheets), that we sometimes think that anything that isn't a codex isn't a book.
I like the codex myself: There's the sentimentality of familiarity, and it's an extremely efficient and effective technology for information storage and retrieval.
Consider: a random-access storage and retrieval device that- Operates wherever ambient light is plentiful enough for the human eye to make out small details
- Is virtually immune to electromagnetic pulse, magnetic or electrical fields
- Tolerates temperature extremes that would kill a human being
- Will, if made carefully, last for centuries
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Ebooks are books. They are interchangeable. It is when you add things which can't be put in book form, animations, etc. that it stops being a book. You can get your blog turned into a book very easily. Ebooks can be printed out. -
Sure it is, in the sense of content presented in a media form.
The comments about longevity are well-thought too, though. I have books that are 100 years old and will last hopefully for another century. But somewhere in my office quagmire I have floppy disks that can't be read with my current computer because they're old and I don't have a computer with that program anymore.
Some industries lend themselves to e-books well--white paper type products where quick information is sought by the buyer, informational lists and how-tos.
best, Kay-
I agree, not everything belongs on an ebook. Ebooks for nonfiction writers though are a boon. They can test an idea that is half formed, or shape a forgotten story, get feedback or give self feedback by seeing the story as an abstract item in print. At the end of the day, the reader who best enjoys the story is the one who buys the completed and final hardcopy and savors it over a cup of coffee on a rainy afternoon.
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any one knows where can I find a free pdf writer? I tried cute writer(Print system pdf) and I want writers which supports image text and links.-
Use openoffice.org then export to PDF. Its what Im using. -
You might want to take a look at www.pdf995.com/. If not just get OpenOffice and export to PDF as crkian suggested.
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I think eBooks can be books, depending on the content of course. eBooks are easier to get and most of the times cheaper, but actually I still prefer the old fashioned books which I can read in bed or anywhere. For me it's relaxing to read a book after spending hours staring at the PC screen. -
It's hard for me to understand questions like this. It's a book in the sense that it has the content of a book. It's not a book in the sense that "book" has a literal meaning of a bound collection of pages. When you ask "is it a book?" my first question is "for what purposes?" Do you want to know whether you can say, "I wrote a book?" Do you want to know what to call it in advertising? As far as I can see, aside from this kind of issue, the question is meaningless.-
I think the question does relate to concern over the concept of an ebook as an accepted, credible publication-- an accomplishment to be proud of-- versus the perception of an ebook as a large and, propaganda piece, or having less-than-literary quality.
I'm sure most writers know when we share the good news of publication to family and friends, there's a tendency to rate a published piece not on its own merit, but on the perceived merit (or reputation) of the medium it's published in. -
That's true, Jenn, but I think it has less to do with the format than with the process one goes through to get a book published. The format is one factor, of course, but I have often heard the same lament from self-published authors. To publish a traditional book with a traditional publisher, someone who is considered an "expert" has to have deemed your book worthy of financial investment and promotion. Virtually any adult can create an e-book or self-publish a book, so there's no real achievement in simply having done that. If someone reads it and is impressed with it, that's another matter, and if it sells well, that might be an achievement. But just writing it? It may or may not be an accomplishment depending upon the quality of the work; in traditional publishing, I think the "accomplishment" is generally viewed as getting the book accepted for publication in a tough industry.
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I think I need to think about this some more (without a sinus headache pushin' on my brain. ) But yes, it's largely in the process. But I know I've gotten published at small journals where unless someone had heard of it the response to the publication was that it, too, wasn't any sort of accomplishment.
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Sticking my oar in:
"...the process one goes through to get a book published."
[load frustrations]
[begin rant]
That's one of the reasons that didn't start 'serious' writing again, until the Web came along. I'd read a few too many biographies of authors with passages like this:- '... I happened to meet the editor at a Starbucks downtown, we started talking, and she asked me if I could send the manuscript.'
- '[name withheld] was a friend of mind, from my years at Yale, and told me that I should write up a proposal....'
- '... serendipidoodah like chance was sokind and then we talked you know like real dialog and it was karma, man. '
- 'We just happened to be taking the same elevator, and ....'
It seemed to be that, between my abysmal lack of a culturally-normative set of attitudes, and being an utter outsider socially, my chance of getting a book published was about the same as a horse-and-buggy winning NASCAR.
And no, I don't believe that it's just a matter of 'who you know.' There are books published, whose authors don't fit into one of the recognized niches, and who never set foot in a hallowed hall of ivy - or crashed somewhere eight miles above Haight and Ashbury.
I know that, in theory, books are published on the basis of merit: but it's hard to shake the impression that 'merit' is largely a matter of knowing the right people, and/or having ideas that fit an editor's prejudices.
Which is why I love the Internet.
This medium allows authors to bypass traditional information gatekeepers, and let their ideas rise or fall in the 'marketplace of ideas.'
That I can live with.
What bothers me about the traditional book publishing system is that it put the matter of what people were allowed to read in the hands of the same lot that came up with gems like 'guitar groups are on the way out,' and 'can't sing, can't act, can dance a little.'
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This really is a perceptual question. Where do we place 'value'? An eBook is really a matter of format like a CD or an audiobook. The content dictates the format. Nonfiction can be put into an ebook for distribution - quick, easy, effective. Fiction is different. The 'curl up with coffee, cat, and book' is a form of relaxation, a way of getting away from routine. Unless you collect frequent flyer points like dogs collect fleas an ebook fiction is not going to appeal. But all of us have perceptions of value. Indy bands carry higher perceptual value than POD writers who are still referred to as vanity publishers. Some of the best books I've read in the last several years have been from indy writers. They are not bound to follow the whims of publishing companies and the so-called 'public'. They can cater for their market. Some of the worst books I've read have been in the 'Top 10'.
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Ebooks have advantages that regular books do not. For instance, they can be sent to someone half way around the world in a matter of minutes.
They save trees.
If a person wants to have a regular book they can print out the ebook and place the pages in a 3 ring binder, in a folder, or have it bound.
Ebooks can be read on either a Sony-e-reader which sells for $299, or a Kindle that is available through Amazon.com for $399.
Ebooks are great for someone like me because I don't have to search for a publisher. I can use Lulu.com or Booklocker.com to sell my ebook. Ebooks can also be sold by affiliates through clickbank.com.
I have been making money selling my Inexpensive jewelry Photography Techniques ebook online. No going to the post office to ship the book, and the person that buys my ebook receives it as an instant download or I can send my ebook as an email attachment.-
We can print them out, that's true--if they're formatted in a way that allows for well-formatted printing. And then we can spend $25 in ink and paper instead of paying $7.99 for a printed book, and end up with a product twice as thick, twice as tall, 1.5x as wide, difficult to carry on the train or into the bathtub or read in bed...oh, and we'll have killed approximately four times as many trees to produce that bulky, inconvenient "book" because of the single-sided pages and difference in formatting. Great idea.
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I think it's a book and the info is relevant but for some reason "curling up to my computer..." Just doesn't appeal much to me. Unless I'm doing it to inform myself about something. -
i still prefer the tangible form because i spend enough time as it is squinting at a bright computer screen... though it's nice to "go green"!!
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When is an ebook not a book?
Is this one of those mindbenders I can never figure out...like
When is a door not a door?...When its ajar.
No idea about your ebook riddle. Give us a clue will ya. -
It's not a book. A book should be made of paper. -
What about vellum?
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For me a book has to smell, I need to be able to feel the pages and leave my finger prints on it. -
An ebook can be used as a way to advertise or spread the word about you and/ or your product(s). By giving an ebook away for free it can be passed along to many people and thus become an effective way to advertise.
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