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Do You Write for Yourself or for Your Reader?
Posted by plotwhisperer • 9/26/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: bloggers, consider your reader, fiction writers, memoir, muse, screenplay
Whether a blogger or a writer of fiction or memoir or screenplay, if you write for yourself first, at what point do you consider your reader?
Do you let the muse flow unobstructed and leave it at that or do you then go back and craft your piece with your reader in mind?
As a plot consultant, I'm curious to learn about your process and when and if your reader ever comes into play in your process.
(for more about the motivation of this query, go to: plotwhisperer.blogspot.com/ )
Thank you in advance for your time and comments!
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Both, actually.
Even when I was writing advertising copy, I was 'writing for myself,' in the sense that I derived pleasure from making a well-crafted sentence, or clearly stating a thought.
But there wouldn't be much point writing, if someone else isn't going to read it: so the reader's view comes into play pretty fast. Nowadays, it's generally when an idea gets definite enough to be describable. -
Nobody writes for itself on a blog.
This can only be done on a diary that you keep in your bedroom.
Whatever you write on blog, you do it for money or for feedback on your thoughts.
If for money, the reader comes first and you adapt your blog and writing accordingly. And well, you only accept good comments. Bad comments are bad for business.
If for yourself, you just like to get as many comments as possible, good or bad.-
I'm with you on this one, all writing if it is made public is to vent creativity and ego. We all like to think that what we do will interest someone so I suppose feedback and reward are the main drivers. I can't say though that I particularly have the reader in mind, although choosing topics that will stimulate has to be at the back of my mind.
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I write for my readers because I think that people should be exposed to more than what the mind controlling traditional media feeds them.
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I never write for the reader, even when I am writing "How-to" articles, I write in the manner that I would want to be instructed.
The way that I see it is that I am my own biggest critic, if I can write for myself and be happy with it, I have satisfied the only critic that I have to live with. Nothing else matters.
I don't really promote my blog because it's just for fun. I'm currently working on a screenplay that I am writing for myself. I wouldn't put my effort into a movie that I wouldn't want to see.-
Thanks for that insight. I know what you mean about writing as you want to read it. I do presentations that way. Keep it exciting because I enjoy exciting and entertaining workshops. I feel the same way about blogging. I aim to engage, educate and entertain as much as possible.
It is only fair, in my opinion.
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Hopefully a balance of both.
I select topics based on story ideas that intrigue me--
But I write the post with the goal of drawing the reader in and giving them enough humor and visual imagery that they hopefully feel a part of it, too.
I also try to mix up my topics a bit so my readers and I both get variety. -
Both...Whatever I'm writing, I have to have an interest in or the blog/article will sound forced. I write for my audience in a way that still stays true to myself. Adding my personal opinion/viewpoint always helps make the piece easy to relate to, which is what brings people back to read.
I'm pretty random as a person so my thought process is always different and creates a variety of topic that I use in my writing. -
I write for myself, but then what I write influence others or help others that's great
well my audience, based on what I see on the analytics provided for me
most are moms with kids with autism, some are bloggers and some are having relationship problems, some likes to read news about my country. So when I write a post in my blog I keep them in mind too. -
Definitely for myself, as I don't like reading nearly as much as writing, so I wouldn't have a clue how to please my readers. (My train of thought goes: Why would you want to buy a book when you can write one yourself?) The only person I know exactly how to please is me.
The readers come to play when I consider if I will offend people by saying this or that, or is the possible offence worth the idea or thought I put out there. In other words; whether or not I will be able or willing to stand by what I said, if and when someone gets offended. -
I've always written for myself, and let the chips fall. Perhaps that's not too bright though. I had a movie deal fall through, for my novel, Six Hours Past Thursday, mostly because of "reader slant." (Whatever that means.) The producer wanted revisions I was unwilling to make. Oh, well, I'll continue down the same path, and hope for the best. If a miracle happens, great. If not, so what?
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I guess my concern for readers is due to the work I did early on with kids with speech, language, and learning problems. It takes but a bit to craft a story in such a way as to invite the reader in.
I mostly believe that writing comes in two stages: that which flows from the muse, purely for and from ourselves. That's where the magic and the joy of writing begins. What follows is the actual craft of writing. Crafting the project so that it rises and falls in ways that are pleasing to the reader and keeps their interest, on the edge of their seats, turning pages faster and faster, to the end.....-
From the perspective of one who writes creatively, but doesn't publish, I would say I agree with you. (My blog and my creative writing are separate entities for me.)
When I am sitting down to write at first, I am always driven by something 'essential' I want to convey. I write with fury but pay little attention to structure.
Then I sit down with the beautiful English language and try to ensure that my words convey my intended meaning in as economical and beautiful way as possible. It's like perfecting the idea I first sat down to write about.
I think there have only been about three times in my life that I've been able to get it perfect.
Everything else? Work in progress.
Thanks for a great set of questions.
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When it comes to blogging, there is no reason they have to be mutually exclusive.
Other types of writing need to be more targeted: for marketing materials and ad copy, the reader must be foremost; journalling is for oneself. And I doubt fiction can be successful unless the reader is foremost in the writer's mind. -
SweetViolet, I agree about when it comes to blogging, there's no reason they have to be mutually exclusive.
I'm surprised by the responses here overall. I assumed bloggers want an audience as much as a novelist or screenwriter would, yet it seems by writers responses here that most are blogging simply for themselves and if others like it, great. If not, too bad.
Hmmmm, I don't quite get it. I would think that a following would feel satisfying, to know others have related to your words and been moved by them. I understand if you're simply journaling -- that's a personal thing.
I guess I'm just confused. Most of the writers I work with are looking to get their prose and fiction in print. I guess that's not as important to bloggers????-
I think there are basically two kinds of bloggers: one type are those for whom blogs are a means to a financial end. They want to make money through ads, etc. Some of these bloggers write with the reader in mind, others just write enough to get someone to visit their blog and get the "clicks" that translate into money.
The other kind of blogger is the person who has something to say. They may be seeking a following, but a lot of them are simply seeking those who agree with them. That explains the "if others like it, great. If not, too bad" attitude. I read quite a few of these blogs and they are often conceits...poorly reasoned and written conceits at that. These people just want to have their say in as public a forum as possible.
Some of us are frustrated writers who have decided to forego the arduous route of publication. I'd love to get my writing into print, but if it means dealing with barrels of rejection slips on my way to a sale...sorry, just not worth it. So, I guess I ultimately fall into the "if others like it, great..." category myself.
Most bloggers just aren't good enough writers for print publication; I suppose those who are good enough but stick to blogging just aren't willing to bash their brains against the brick walls of rejection by publishers and closed doors of agents. That's my reason, anyway.
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4 my reader and for myself togo and get feedback in what i wrote was interesting
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If I write only for my readers I will have to technisize my writing to fit what they want...what DO they want, by the way! I write about uinversal emotions and hope that they will find themselves in it. Judging by the mail I receive there is a response in their hearts. I cannot write about an emotion that I 'judge' should provoke a reponse in the readers. The reader-response to writing is elusive, however much has been written on it and however much it has been analysed.
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Some people say they write for themselves, and some say they write for their readers, and others say they write for both.
However, I am convinced that everyone writes for themselves. Even if they write for others, they are writing for others for themselves. That’s right, our motives are intrinsically selfish. If you are one who says that you write for others, you do so to please your readers, but pleasing your readers pleases you. The root motivation is selfish. Selfish is not a bad thing, it’s a natural thing. Our root instinct is to survive, to preserve ourselves. Everything else we do branches off of this basic instinct. So yes, everyone writes for themselves. -
i actually dont write.. but i love reading what people write.. and i love giving my feed back. i mean its great to see what people are doing and whats going on in there life.. not that im noisey or anything its just when people write .. whether it be a blog or a poem or something of that sort.. there thoughs and feelings come out in it.
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I agree morgantj, that we ultimately write for ourselves. I just wonder if there comes a time to step back from what we have written and view it with a critical eye while keeping our potential readers in mind. Does it make sense? Does it build in tension and significance? Is the character engaging, the action compelling?
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I write for myself, in that it's my way of maintaining my identity and my sanity in the face of two small children and one very large hill (carminesuperiore.blogspot.com/2007/10/una-piccola-complicazione.html). However, I've seen that blogs where people think out loud or describe their holiday, or go on about their kids aren't too interesting to me, so I try to avoid doing this and to write stuff that will amuse and interest other people. Stuff that might chime with other people's experiences. Stuff that might make people laugh. In this sense, I write for other people.
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i would definitely like people to read whatever i write, but while writing i dont keep others in mind ... i wont change my style of writing for others ... i believe if i write something good, i'll definitely get readers ...
to answer the question ... i write for my own satisfaction, but i would of course like people to read it, bcoz i intend to spread awareness through my blog posts, but as mentioned above, without altering my own style of writing. -
great question.
first, i'm a strong believer that if you blog you are ultimately writing for readership and not yourself, otherwise a personal journal would really be more suitable and certainly less humbling.
second, a few folks have already pointed out that style and structure are the "me" part. in my case there is a certain rhythm and phrasing structure that i like to use to deliver humor to a reader. it's what seems to work for me. anyway, that's the part that is "me" and not up for grabs.
however, most subjects and some word selection are determined by what my targeted audience might want to read about and how best to deliver it. not easy stuff really!
having said all that, i still don't have a feel for whether or not it's working. it's not like i have a large number of returning readers, but with a break here or there, who knows? right? and i think it's that "you never know" that is a common thread among most serious bloggers.
thanks a gain for the question. it gave me pause to think about this and that's always a good use of time. -
Cranelegs, interesting point = "if you blog you are ultimately writing for readership... otherwise a personal journal would really be more suitable..."
And even a personal journal, I wonder sometimes if writers don't hope that the journal may be discovered someday in the future and be read?
I believe we all long to be hear / read, and by considering our readers we may help facilitate that.
Also, Cranelegs, I agree about the part that is "me" and not up for grabs. We writers often run into trouble, when we forget that our own individual voice is ours alone. Often in a writer's attempt to please everyone, we end up losing ourselves.
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If your writing for yourself then wouldn't the blog be worded something like this.
"I looked around I couldn't believe my eyes.. there they were!"
as opposed to writing to others:
I looked around and you will never believe who I saw there!
I agree with morgantj, only I don't like calling it selfish, but maybe self gratification.
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This may not sound correct, but I write for myself first because my writing has to sound authentic and not what someone else would approve of. Some people have told me that I write too honestly. This works for me because its real.
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denharsh, your comment gets to the heart of what I'm most curious about -- how do we write from our hearts and still keep our readers in mind?? The only fear -- if the good comments encourage more writing, what happens if there's a negative?? Can't let that stop us, can we??
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I will not allow a negative to stop me from writing, but I access the negative to see if it is valid. If valid, I work to correct. If I decide it is not valid, I blow it off.
I started blogging about three months ago and write for myself, to develop the skill and a style but with the reader in mind. I strive to improve "something" with each entry. Writing presents a challenge to me and I love a challenge.
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Good question! I started writing for myself and it was really crappy work. Then I began to try to make more thoughtful entries as I received feedback from people who liked my reviews. Now I barely have time to watch a movie let alone write about one, so I'm back to 'bare bones' which doesn't matter much as no one seems to be reading me as of late!
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to me blogging is a medium of self development. it's a medium of connecting with people. i have one blog registered here at BC. but i have another one. i spend equal time on that one too but i dont spend time on publicizing it. i write that blog to find inner peace and i do it coz i love it.
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Commented on your blog LisbethPixFlix, irtiza104, and lordiwanttobewhole.
lunaticg, visited your blog with interest in coins. Plus, I LOVE your picture!
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It all depends on where I am writing. Some of my blogs are professional and made strictly for the reader and to do well with advertisers. Others get a bit of both. Then there are a few personal pet projects that I say what ever I please and am not above chastising some of the people for rude, obnoxious or spam comments. Some days when you are stuck being nice to clients it is good to have a place where you can go be a prick and get it out of your system.
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Love hearing everyone's comments.
On another note:
Taking a poll. Have you achieved your writing goals this year???
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As a blogger, I would definitely write for myself. If I started thinking about other people then my thoughts would start catering to what I think my audience would say, so my thoughts would be unoriginal and influenced. But if I was marketing something or writing for a certain audience, then I would ofcourse consider who's reading and cater more to them.
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For yourself would be a log not a weblog aka "blog." The fact that it's broadcast means you care about what others think. This is simple logic. Livejournal and a few other platforms have a checkbox that will make your blog private. Unless that is "checked" on your blog, you should be writing for others first. That's my 2 cents.
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I try to write for others but it also helps me. For example, if I share a presentation or blogging tip it also helps me to record the information or if it is a story the experiance. I want to share the way I want to recieve the information. I MESS UP OFTEN, but sometimes those are my best posts to share.
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I write for myself too but at same time express it with how readers like it
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I write for myself, but I must admit it is nice to get readers as well.
Check out my lates post: missattica.blogspot.com/2008/11/there-is-time-for-everything-or-so-says.htm... -
I write for myself. I write so that I'm comprehensible to other people, but what's the point of writing a blog for readers and not for you? Isn't the point of blogging that you're sharing your uncensored thoughts with anyone who wants to read them? I use my blog to express the opinions that I don't get to express in general conversation, if my friends or random people are interested in reading, great, if not then I've had an outlet for my views without having to bore anyone who isn't interested.
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SiuilARuin, I guess that's at the heart of the issue -- I don't know what the point of blogging is. You say to share your uncensored thoughts. Hmmmm I thought perhaps it was to communicate, which implies a reader. A back and forth. Interesting. I have no idea about the origins of blogs -- why and how they got started. Maybe knowing that would help my understanding of this.
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As a creative writer, published writer, and writing teacher, my perspective is that at first you write for yourself and at the last you write for yourself; it has to come from your need/desire to express yourself, your originality; otherwise, you're pandering. As for the audience, if it is good creative writing, you need to know the techniques for manipulating your writing to express what you want to express, and then if no one is getting it, you go back to the board and recraft. But the final say remains yours. As for essay and other types of writing that inform, the audience becomes more crucial since understanding, the communicating of information is the point, more than the depth, layers, creativity, etc. Target the audience to reach them. But if you leave out the unique, creative, etc., altogether, no matter how informative, no one will read it.
So, I'd say it's a continuum and depending on the type of writing and who your audience determines the crossroads. That's how you get either brilliant literature such as Gore Vidal and Kafka or you get pulp fiction, fill in the blanks formula writing at the opposite end of the continuum. Personally, I suggest the raise and enlighten over the "give the consumer what they want."
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TheTrickster, I like that -- determines the crossroads...
I'm thinking the more we understand readers' expectations, the more that info becomes integrated in our writing without much thought. Not to interfere with the flow of the muse but to create the sandbox in which the words will reside. Or something like that...
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I always write for myself first. I rarely ever edit a piece. If I had to write for a specific audience I could probably do it, but doubt the writing would show as much creativity.
I've written "how-to's" and they were first written for me. I shared them with a member of the target audience and had little to rewrite. -
I would hope the reader and I are both getting something from what I've written.
There's a kind of symbiosis there, a relationship between the author and reader, and if you take one of those elements out, you lose the whole equation. Who wants to read something in which the writer feels absent? Who wants to read something in which you cannot find a piece of yourself? -
It totally depends on what I'm writing. If I'm writing non-fiction, I usually write for my audience. Mainly because I'm probably trying to sell something, or at least, inform my readers about something cool.
However, when it comes to my stories, I write for me. I have all these scenarios running through my head, and I love putting them to paper/computer screen.
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What about writing for a larger purpose?? Ever feel drawn to write something and don't know why?? Is it possible some of the stuff we write is just looking for someone to act as a conduit in order to get the message out?? Out there, I know.
Someone just sent me a note about how character is plot and action and destiny.
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Both. Well, in the process of writing, it's for myself. I also write with the reader in mind. I share things about my life and any observations, especially epiphanies I have about life in general. I get something out of it, and I always hope that my readers do, too. When they tell me in emails or comments that they do, I think, "That's what it's all about."
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Fruitcake, I like that -- write for yourself. Blog for your readers. It's different, isn't it???
Writing for ourselves we can fill in the missing blanks. Writing for others, we need to strive for ways to connect and engage. It's different, isn't it???
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I write for both. Its fun.
you cater both what your reader needs and what you need. I try to incorporated a mix of interesting topics in my post to fit my readers' wants and mine too
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I try to get out my ideas, then I go back and try to think if I was a reader, would I read this? And I try to adjust the story. (Don't know how well I do, that's why I try to get people to review my blog.)
Then I read it to my wife. English is her second language, so if she understands the theme of what I am saying, I go with it.
Then I proofread it about five times, post it, and realize I still have errors, so I go back in and re edit.
Maybe I could get you to review my post.
Here is the address:
justiceconqueringreligion.typepad.com/
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Both. I definitely write for myself- what I like and what I enjoy, but it's guided and tempered by the fact that I have a readership.
I could talk about luxury items on willowy models 'til I'm blue in the face and be happy, but it won't get me a readership. So I find another outlet to play with luxury stuff, throw it in the blog where appropriate and write about a wider range of down to earth fashion.
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Well, in my diary (midna78.blogspot.com)i write for myself.
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dinsquared, I like that: "guided and tempered by the fact that I have a readership." I'm interested in how much writers are influenced by the comments you receive on your blogs. Do you find that you've shifted your presentation and even subject matter based on the comments you receive?
Just curious.
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