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Does Corporal Punishment Work?
Posted by WillIAm2009 • 5/04/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: corporal punishment
My newest post is about Corporal Punishment. I was saying that Englands community service does not work and why i believe it should be replaced with corporal service?
Whats your views?
This is my new post if you wanna read:
mensneedssloved.blogspot.com/2009/05/does-corporal-punishment-work.html
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If applied appropriately. It cannot be administered in anger or without compassion afterwards.
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Oh god your from England, the shame of it.
I recommend that you be beaten.-
errr ok
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You watched a Disney film to come up with that argument, for fooks sake.
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And? Got a problem?
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Yes its a ridiculous argument.
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Well dont read it then?
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Too late I read it and can't get those seconds back.
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oh wow....there's Disney involved in this argument?! ...I must read it! -
hahahahahahaha! WORST ARGUMENT EVER!
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Many professionals and child experts show a reason why it is not effective, so can you provide research that shows it is?
"Until researchers, clinicians, and parents can definitively demonstrate the presence of positive effects of corporal punishment, including effectiveness in halting future misbehavior, not just the absence of negative effects, we as psychologists can not responsibly recommend its use," Gershoff writes."
"While the nature of the analyses prohibits causally linking corporal punishment with the child behaviors, Gershoff also summarizes a large body of literature on parenting that suggests why corporal punishment may actually cause negative outcomes for children. For one, corporal punishment on its own does not teach children right from wrong. Secondly, although it makes children afraid to disobey when parents are present, when parents are not present to administer the punishment those same children will misbehave.
In commentary published along with the Gershoff study, George W. Holden, PhD, of the University of Texas at Austin, writes that Gershoff's findings "reflect the growing body of evidence indicating that corporal punishment does no good and may even cause harm." Holden submits that the psychological community should not be advocating spanking as a discipline tool for parents."
www.apa.org/releases/spanking.html
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What do you know that all these experts don't?
"The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), however, in an official policy statement[18] (reaffirmed in 2004) states that "Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects."
""The Psychosocial Paediatrics Committee of the Canadian Paediatric Society has carefully reviewed the available research in the controversial area of disciplinary spanking (7-15)... The research that is available supports the position that spanking and other forms of physical punishment are associated with negative child outcomes. The Canadian Paediatric Society, therefore, recommends that physicians strongly discourage disciplinary spanking and all other forms of physical punishment"[22]"
"The Australian Psychological Society holds that physical punishment of children should not be used as it has very limited capacity to deter unwanted behavior, does not teach alternative desirable behavior, often promotes further undesirable behaviors such as defiance and attachment to "delinquent" peer groups, and encourages an acceptance of aggression and violence as acceptable responses to conflicts and problems[25]"
I remember the days of corporal punishment in British schools and it didn't stop kids being rotten, they just learned to be more sneaky about it. -
When I was working on my education degree, it was pounded into my head in various classes, that corporal punishment is no more effective than other methods. The only difference is that it allows the punisher to vent his or her own anger and therefore becomes dangerous should that person lose control... -
I was sick and laid my head down on my desk at school. I did no classwork that day. The teacher saw it as lazy and paddled me. I was not a disruptive student. The action was uncalled for. Did it make me do my classwork? No, it made me hold a grudge and never forget I was paddled for being ill.-
It had a very negative effect on my sister. She grew up despising authority figures and had no respect for the teachers. It shut down any communication and she ended up playing truant.
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I'm happy my kids don't have to deal with it. It's useless and pointless.
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I loved school and loved learning, so when I got smacked all I learned is that justice hasn't got anything to do with reality or fairness.
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No, no and no.
Corporal punishement just helps the one giving it, for whatever reason.
And sure should be banned as far as children are concerned.
Children listen to you, if you make some effort to talk to them.
Violence is just the way of the weak... -
Only between two consenting adults. -
Well, for sex games maybe, but besides that I do not really see any use of it...
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Yeah, chicks dig it
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For criminals?
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I don't think sex games for criminals is appropriate.
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You haven't presented any arguments that it makes criminals stop being criminals or deters others from criminal activity?
Do you have any information that contradicts this article By Adah Maurer, Ph.D. and James S. Wallerstein (1987)
"The Truth About the "Good Old Days"
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I think this sage advice came too late:
"Never enter a battle of wits unarmed."
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An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind...
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And a nose for a nose makes smelling a new experience.
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OMG! I was only asking your thoughts on the topic, i didnt ask to be slated!
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"I was only asking your thoughts on the topic"
Well you asked and this is a discussion board and some of us offered our opinions and some fun one's too. It is a mixed bag on here, don't take it so personal. If you want to offer yours and expand on it, great if not, fine too.
I rather enjoyed farangrakthai perspective
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Genesis 9:6: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed
So God is for the death penalty!-
That might apply in a theocratic government, but since we live in democracies that are secular, how does using the bible fit?
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How is what was written 2000 years ago relevant today?
Hopefully, we're smarter than that? Right? -
@William: Because of God a lot of blood is now being shed. Maybe we should give God the death penalty.
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Also imagine A man killed your entire family, husband and children, BUT and got 20 years in prison! Remeber prison today has sky/cable tv, pool rooms, good food! Not exactly a tough life now?
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No, I believe life in prison means life in prison, and that the taking of a life means one should go to prison for life and die there.
Are you suggesting that corporal punishment will deter a criminal from killing, or that killing a criminal with stop others from killing? -
I've visited prisons and had an opportunity to taste the food....and trust me...not good. And the one t.v. that all the inmates were watching sucked.
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So I kill him. Does it make me feel better? No. Why should it?
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I do agree about life is life, but does it not annoy you that were paying for his 'tough life in prison'?
And i just think if i saw someone getting badly punished, it would put me off doing what they did!-
"I do agree about life is life, but does it not annoy you that were paying for his 'tough life in prison'?"
Actually it costs more to put a criminal to death.
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
"And i just think if i saw someone getting badly punished, it would put me off doing what they did!"
That is you, but as a system it hasn't proved to be an effective deterrent.
"States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates"
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-c... -
Ohh i didnt know that
I do apologise!
I think im wrong with this one!
But i will be back -
No need to apologize, this is something that not many are aware of.
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haahhaah
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Because of God a lot of blood is now being shed. Maybe we should give God the death penalty.
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As a parent will tell his children not to touch a hot stove, but the child touches it anyways. We are like that child - we are told not to kill one another, but we do it anyways.
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Indeed
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yeahh i agree with that!
And the only reason i used that example was because i googled it and it was the first reason!
Religeon is the reason for most wars!
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Physical force may be necessary in certain situations - for example, if two children are about to get into a fight, it may be necessary to restrain both of them.
However as a regular tool to correct behaviour, this is not effective. People who are beaten don't become better citizens, they become sullen.
Furthermore, there are better ways to discourage bad behaviour. For example, loud classical music has been played at public transport stations to prevent ASBO candidates from gathering at these points: don't knock it, it seems to work. -
Children understand violence and children understand what you explain to them, without violence. What do you want them to understand? And what do you want them to be? Well, at least, for me, the choice is easy...
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I was raised in the era of spare the rod and spoil the child and guess what? When I had my fanny spanked, I still did whatever I wanted because it only smarted for a little bit!
I've raised four children and never had to use physical force to make my children behave. -
they spanked your what?! oh wait...you didn't mean that...
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Why do americans call it a fanny?
Can lead us Brits to confusion! -
yeah chicks dig that too
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Willl,
Just like fanny leads you to confusion, the term, "fag break" confuses Americans.
I thought your post was interesting. The only thing I would say is that your post talks about community service, while the discussion here is corporal punishment. They are two different things. -
ohhh ok!
I no but i think community service is just a bit stupid! The people who are doing it dont care! -
It may sound stupid but it benefits society better, and in the process makes a criminal WORK!
"Making Criminals Pay - service programs for convicted criminals"
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_12_30/ai_53421537/
"The recidivism rate of SLAP participants has decreased significantly, and their rate of compliance with court-ordered payments has shot up. It has eased jail overcrowding everywhere it's been used, and saved hundreds of thousands of dollars in incarceration costs."
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They will catch you
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Ummm Im not talking the sexual thing, I'm talking about childhood punishment!
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sorry, it's just that in the UK 'fanny' doesn't mean backside...
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Really!! I'm afraid to ask! LOL
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it means vagina.
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Well, I like spankings so my Master doesn't use them for punishment because that would defeat the purpose of trying to correct a behavior. There are other forms of punishment that work far better.....take my coffee away, for instance, and I will straighten right up. -
What you did hurt me very much. Please do it again.
Signed Masochist -
Not exactly how I beg, but close.
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Just thought i would bump it and see what others views were?
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Some might find this punishment too harsh.
"The Foreign Office has denied allegations that British Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay were subjected to Marmite."
www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i48297
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So howcome the youth of todayhave no respect for the elders?
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Because the elders didn't teach them to and like SiuilARuin mentioned you really haven't offered any research to help support your views about corporal punishment.
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What the hell?! Why did you report my post? Because I told you to do some research and not just spout whatever half-baked idea you got from a Disney movie?
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you think I'm kidding...he literally got this idea from a Disney movie...
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I can't believe your post was removed SiuilARuin?
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Well the funny thing is SiuilARuin, the adults running the camp in the film Holes are NOT worthy of any respect, the main character was innocent person yet put in a brutal detention camp.
I enjoyed the movie, but there is nothing about the movie that supports the idea that corporal punishment is a good option, all research points to the contrary.
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wtf! i havent reported anything!
i have just got back from walking the dog!
get ur facts right before shouting your mouth off!-
If it wasn't you, I apologise...but I can't imagine who else would report it.
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why would i report it!
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...well...no, I wasn't...
*walks away confused*
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what i meant by that was!
wasnt like you said anything bad
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