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Does Terrorism has anything to do with Islam??
Posted by ramaraobobby • 12/04/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Islam, terrorism
Terrorism is often used in conjunction with Islam.. but do you think they are related... if so mention why
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I'm thinking this would be better in the Religious or Political forums, hmm? -
Yes, Islam has a lot to do with terrorism. It is religiously inspired terror which makes it particularly difficult to deal with. In general, Islamic terrorists have a utopian vision that the whole world should either convert to Islam or be killed. They loath Western culture and freedoms because these radicals deem them as "un-Islamic" and therefore must be killed.
One cannot discuss terror without Islam because Islam is also a political religion. There is not speration of church and state within Islam. The law of the land is Shari'a and no else because in their minds any man made law will be imperfect because it did not come directly from Allah.
I wrote a big blog concerning terrorism and some of the motivations behind it. I also discuss how to deal with terrorism.
thefreefirezone.blogspot.com-
What is terrorism? -
IbneAdam- I am not really sure if that question of yours was a joke or not, but I will answer your question anyway. Terrorism is the use of violence against a civilian population to achieve a political or religious goal. Terrorists generally do not wear uniforms or identify themselves.
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It was not a joke. I am damn serious and I want an in-depth discussion.
Now to go further, what is really bad about terrorists?
Use of violence against civilian population to achieve a political or religious goal
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Terrorists generally do not wear uniforms or identify themselves.
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What is the difference between Terrorists and Freedom Fighters?
(BTW, the international/American definition of terrorists include the words "non-state" elements) -
@Newblogger
Like the American bombing of Hanoi or the American bombing of villages in the mountains of Afghanistan? Or is terrorism only terrorism when it's committed by people who can't afford B52'S and Apaches?
You obviously don't know and have never met a single Muslim in your life because your laughable caricatures of Islam and the Muslim people are something I'd expect a retarded Neo-con chimpanzee to come out with. -
"Terrorism is the use of violence against a civilian population to achieve a political or religious goal."
NewBlogger, you do realize that by your definition, the United States government routinely engages in acts of terrorism? From whence do you derive this definition? -
The difference between what the US is doing and what groups like al-Qaida is doing is that the United States attempts to avoid civilian casualties and collateral damage as much as possible where as al-Qaida wants to MAXIMIZE civilian casualties. There is no moral equivalency between the two. I am sorry that none of you see this important distinction. Once the United States has engaged in combat (whether morally or amorally), it is a fairly moral country that acquires specific targets and attempts to use the minimum amount of weapons to neutralize that target. The unfortunate part is that many of these targets are purposely placed in neighborhoods so there will always be collateral damage of some nature and there is not much the United States can do about that.
IbneAdam- In the case of Islamic terror, religion is being used to justify violence. In general Islamic extremists believe that the whole world should come under Islam either by choice or by the sword. I fail to see a freedom fighter in someone who wants to forcibly convert me to another religion and will do anything to achieve that goal. -
Is this thoughtful moral killing the US engages in the reason why they use depleted uranium shells, agent orange and cluster bombs?
You seem to have acquired your vision of the world and the use of American power from some slick Ridley Scott film.
Do you wish the news had a cool soundtrack and more slow mo? -
aningeniousname- Read Michael Walzer's Just and Unjust wars. It is the standard to a philosophical debate on war, actions in war, and terror. It discusses distinctions between a just war fought unjustly, an unjust war fought justly, and terror against civilian populations by both official armies and terror groups. Then I think you will have a better understanding of what the United States is doing and has done and what its enemies are doing.
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I understand it perfectly well thank you very much.
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aningenousname- No, I do not particularly think that you understand because all you have really done is call me names and put words into my mouth. You have not really given a counter point to my argument. I am not saying the book will change your mind on the subject, but it will certainly give you a better understanding.
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I haven't called you names or put words in your mouth. I have offered valid counterpoints but you are on some sort of right wing crusade and your main argument seems to be that I'm not well enough informed to have an opinion on the matter.
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No I don't. I think people use religion and cherry pick phrases within their given faith as a means to justify their hatred, political goals. -
hmmmm, i cant remember... i think it has something to do with american popular culture though -
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LOL
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there many historic and current examples of a variety of individuals and groups that do this, just off the top of my head, the lords resistance army.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
Here is a list of terrorist groups, some use politics as justification, some use religion, and for some it is for nationalistic reasons.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_organization-
Thanks Jafabrit
At least some people are doing some reserach to find out the things themselves and not to totally rely on media hysteria and popular propaganda.
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Terrorism, I do believe, is older than Islam. It's probably as old as humanity. As others have pointed out, the trouble comes in defining it. In general, the ability to make your enemy become "terrified" has always been deemed beneficial. Isn't that one of the reasons many animals make noises and put on other displays to try to scare off threats as a defense mechanism? Isn't that the reason sheilds, helmets, and other tools for warfare were constructed throughout the ages to be as psychologically terrifying as possible?
Terrorism can't be tied to any one group, religion, etc. - it's something that numerous groups have used against other groups for all of time. One specific form of terrorism labelled as "islamic terrorism" (i.e., carried out, at least purportedly, in the name of islam) may have ties to that religion - but other religions/cultures/groups are not immune from using terrorism, so the general answer to the original question would in my opinion be "no."
Really, when you think about it, just about every group of people who has ever dominated another can be labelled as terrorists. Plus, and of the dominated who have resisted said domination can be labelled as terrorists. From the Greeks, to the Romans, to the Vikings, to the Imperial age - etc. etc.-
@kdawg
Very well said.
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No, because there are lots of non-Islamic terrorists -
I have seen the face of the enemy as a veteran from this ongoing Afghanistan War. I know about Islam from seeing the people in their Islamic lands. Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Followers of Islam are good people. I have never met nicer, more hospitable people in all of the world and I have spent a year and a half trotting the globe with the Marines.
Terrorism is a scar to an otherwise good religion such as Islam.-
jdh351- I agree with your last statement. But I must say that terrorism does has something to do with Islam. This is because people are using and distorting Islam to justify terror against civilians. In this respect, Islam is tied with religion.
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I think terrorists use Islam to gain converts to their cause of hate. If they didn't use Islam as their medium they could just as easily use a different religion of so called "true believers."
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Well I am always puzzled when I hear about "islam the faith of peace". It is not more so than many other religions. It makes me very suspicious when someone comes with that argument. The least you can say is that some believers must be exceedingly dumb since it hasn't gone through to them.-
The classic "behead those who insult Islam" picture comes to mind.
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Terrorism is not so restrictive to where I can say "One thing causes it." There's eco-terrorism, political terrorism, religious terrorism, etc.
Are there a lot of terrorists who follow Islam? Yes, but in a rather concentrated area.-
"Are there a lot of terrorists who follow Islam? Yes, but in a rather concentrated area."
Your point is valid. Currently, most of the so called terrorist follow Islam. And they are in concentrate area. Now this is very interesting.
"They" (Muslim terrorists or freedom fighters) are in Kashmir, which is occupied by India.
"They" are in Afghanistan, which is occupied by US and NATO.
"They" are in Iraq, which is occupied by US.
"They" are in Palestine, which is occupied by Israel.
"They" are in India, but in India, "they" are from all religions, like Sikhs, Muslims and Hundus etc. While minorities want freedom and their rights, extremists hindus want to either expel others or crush these.
Perhaps "they" have a point!!!!!!!!!!!!
Afterall, who likes to be suppressed or have foreign troops in his conutry? -
IbneAdam- If "they" have their way, then we would all be suppressed by Islam! If "they" had their way, the United States and Israel would be destroyed! "Freedom fighters" do not want to suppress an entire world. The homicide bombers in Iraq are trained, funded, and armed by Iran. Iraqi's want nothing to do with al-Qaida, Iran, or the Revolutionary Guards. I do not think "they" would qualify as "freedom fighters". The only point "they" have is death to Israel, Jews, Christianity, and the West. And correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be ok with that.
voodooKobra- I actually agree with you on something haha... -
Newblogger2008
My point is simple, unless you don't want to understand.
If you are a Hindu and Indian, and China lands its forces in your country and occupies India, what will you do??????
1. Sit and enjoy.
2. Resist the occupation.
3. Join hands with Chinese.
Choice is yours
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Ibne Adam-
"They" (Muslim terrorists or freedom fighters) are in Kashmir, which is occupied by India.
Not correct- Kashmir is in India. -
yah ur right manju.. Kashmir is n will be a part of India even though how much those coward terrorists try to take it away..
Its very sad that most of the terrorists are from Islam but
according to Robert Spencer who wrote the book "The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant religion" Islam do support violence and Muhammad used to follow the policy of Conversion-subjugation or death onto non-believers of Islam.
I dunno how far its really true.... but if its true then its a very bad aspect of Islam.-
ramaraobobby-
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LaMirabelle-
Its totally wrong concept about Islam, either spreaded out with a plan, or just result of ignorance or prejudice.
Allah (The God) Says in Quran: "One who killed one innocent human being, he killed the whole humanity, and one who saved life of one human being, he saved the whole humanity"
As well Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said in his last sermon: "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds"
Read Prophet Muhammad's Last Sermon at:
www.buy92.com/quran/prophet-muhammads-last-sermon/
If any Muslim who is going against above laws, in fact he is not a Muslim. Islam is in real a religion of peace, and message to whole human kind. May God show us all the right path. Amen.
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