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Don't take the swine flu vaccine? Warnings against this vaccination?
Posted by Pasquella • 10/21/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: baxter, do not take the swine flu vaccine, flu shot, h1n1
I was seriously thinking about taking the swine flu shot, but through Googling and sifting through many sites that claim this shot is either dangerous, and even deadly, I wonder if this is a good idea?
Also, I found a video of a 37 year old army engineer who stated that she was on a drill and said that basically, if we refuse the shot, we will be taken off into quarantine, or for a lack of better words, a "consentration camp".
There is also a video back in Nov. of 1979 of how the swine flu vaccination caused great nerve damage to some and others, death.
I've included a link where you can see both these videos.
My question is: will you be taking the swine flu shot? I have mixed feelings and I am very scared. But I need the shot, so I don't know what to do and would like to get feedback from you all.
Thanks!
dtrant.blogspot.com/2009/10/warning-against-swine-flu-vaccine.html
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I think you should talk to your healthcare provider about it. They'll have read up on the positives versus negatives in credible medical journals.
Googling opinions on bboards, or asking here, is not going to help you weed out the fear, the fluff and the misinformation. You need facts and probabilities to make an educated decision. -
Well that's the thing --talking to healthcare providers aren't going to tell you the complete truth because of the financial burden it may put them under. If this was a government conspiracy, then most likely, the ones you'd go to for the "facts" are more likely to have false information or lie to you. This is just something I've thought about and that concerns me.
How do you know when it's the truth? They're planning to force vaccinate everyone. That in itself is scary in our country.-
[talking to healthcare providers aren't going to tell you the complete truth because of the financial burden it may put them under]
Oh please don't tell me you're one of those nuts who believes in homeopathy. -
i don't think the health care providers are ion any way informed about the issues relating to this jab
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Pasquella, I'm a scientist (a microbiologist) and in no-way linked to a pharmaceutical company. Get the vaccine, there are no serious (certified by an M.D.) side effects reported. Don't believe everything there is on the internet, most of the detractors of the vaccine are not qualified to talk about it.
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One needs to be cautious, I mean to say watchful, and the reason for these rumours is because of the vaccine has not underwent trial for a longer duration and hence this gives the speculators to speak with more confidence. One needs to scientifically prove that it is indeed dangerous. -
That's the thing Crawler, no one from the scientific community has proven that the vaccine is dangerous. Some say that because is a new virus (which is not true by the way) there is a need for more tests. The latter is not true given that the people producing the vaccine are the same people that produce the seasonal vaccine, which is a new vaccine every year based on the epidemiology of the flu the previous year. So, the H1N1 vaccine is no different than the seasonal one, in regards to standards of production and safety.
I wish I could be vaccinated! Because of the shortage of vaccines only people my age that have children or work in patient care are allowed to get it. -
I too am for vaccination asap. Prevention is better than cure !
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Yes! Thank you Crawler ;-)
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Thank you too for enlightenment Deray28 !
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I also heard about swine flu vaccine which is not good for nervous system and your immune system. I think I am not going to give to my family. Ofcourse I will ask my doctor about it. But there r less chances for me to take it. -
We've done some research on this and still feel unsure, although we think we'll probably get the vaccine.
The two big things that people are worried about are:
Squalene
Thimerasol(Sp?)
Most batches in the US won't have these ingredients, but some do.
But read up on it. It seems to vary from health provider to health provider. I am certainly no expert.
Read the CDC website. Good luck. -
I figure the odds are probably that I won't get the flu since I had it maybe once in my life at most.
It is funny how scientist use odds, but yet it does not apply to anything else or other people if they use them. Odds are in favor that life on Earth most likely had some help by someone. That is ignored also haha.
They tell you not to play the lottery since odds are against you winning, but yet everyone should get a flu shot? Makes no sense as always. -
total fear mongering-
Absolutely !
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With asthma I have to listen to my doctor on flu shots in general, she told me to do it - so I did. No problems for me following the shot either.-
Thanks for sharing this.
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If you had an infant who is already reeling from the numerous shots would you not be more careful when giving additional shots to it beyond the "mandatory"?
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a lot of stuff on the internet are urban legends, fear generators for one reason or the other, or just for the fun of it from people with too much time on their hands. like other vaccines, the benefits outweight the flaws. if you need it, get it. -
I hope that it's not dangerous... because that would mean most doctors, surgeons, nurses, Paramedics and firefighters will feel the effects... (eventually anyway) -
I wouldn't necessarily take the word of a professional with a (conscious or unconscious) vested interest in the medico-industrial complex at face value. Although there are many of them who have their doubts about the efficacy of vaccines. Like these Australian doctors: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4032071156806560888#
Or these doctors: www.whale.to/vaccine
A bit more "controversial": David Ayoub, M.D.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646#
All viewpoints need to be explored and weighed.-
The H1N1 vaccine utilizes the same base as the regular flu vaccine that is given yearly. That's what I heard from my doctor and I checked it out online as well.
You can scare people a lot of ways with some of the urban legends out there on both sides of this issue.
I think you have to be careful and do what is right for you. Don't try to scare people with your fears. Could I die from this shot? Sure, there is always that possibility. It has happened with the some vaccinations we have given in the past, but without it think of diseases like whooping cough that ran rampant and killed thousands of children. The vaccine has saved many over the years since its inception.
Logically, we can die from many things that are out there. Please take care to really do your research before making any kind of accusations.
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So for every germ that's out there we got to take a shot? Then how about all the mercury that gets into our system?
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I didn't say that.
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What made you think I accused you?
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I din't say that either - I simply said...oh, never mind.
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ok wont mind ... (will try anyway)
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It's a conspiracy to put Obama's mind control serum into us!
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join us Agit8r, join us.
One of us, one of us
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I wouldn't worry about the vaccine anymore then the regular flu vaccine. But unless you are at a high risk for severe complications, I also wouldn't bug out about the swine flu either. My girls had it. I don't get the flu (I don't get any of the flu vaccines), so I did not get it while I was taking care of them. Besides a high fever, they were nowhere near as sick as I have seen people get with the regular flu. We were not allowed out of the house for a few days tho without a mask.
Right now the only people able to get it are people at high risk or people with certain occupations in which they can have high exposure to it. -
What BringBackPluto wrote is true, that "Squalene Thimerasol(Sp?)" among other not so great ingredients are in the shots. And with the H1N1 vaccine, the worry of GBS is greater than with the normal flu vaccine. I am still undecided. And I dont even know when I will get a chance at even getting the vaccine. As for the CDC, they are starting to sound like an infomercial for the pharma companies. -
I didn't post this to instill fear in people or that I'm a fear monger - I posted this because I'm curious about the swine flu shot and seriously concerned because of the conflicting reports.
DeRay, thank you for putting my mind at ease. Your comment actually relieved some of my anxiety about it. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what's the truth, but hearing horror stories on TV, Youtube and through other people about the risks of the shot, being that it has too much mercury or that it can severely damage your nervous system to the point of paralyzing you, it sort of gets scary...
I'm still researching it though... I'm not sure if that'll do any good. :\-
You are welcomed Pasquella
It is ok to do your own research just be sure that the pages you visit are serious and backed up by real science
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yes. it's a good idea. by protecting yourself, you're protecting others as well! as someone with a temporarily compromised immune system, i will be getting the shot and URGING everyone around me to get it as well. if all of my friends can be vaccinated, then i have less of a chance of contracting it from them AND the people they come in contact with! -
If you fear the regular flu shot fear this otherwise it's not that different. I've only known so far a friend in medical school getting it, and my Aunt and cousin both physicians have taken it. They are out of the vacine around here, though some doses went to elementary schools by lottery people around here are clamoring for it.
Most physicians do not have a vested interest in the influenza vaccines, and if you trust your physician asking them if they or their family are taking the vaccine is often a clue to it's necessity. I don't get the flu shot, but this year I got the regular one at Safeway, and will get this one if it is made available to me. -
Thanks so much for all your reassurance and giving me a bit of peace on this. I appreciate the feedback because it has helped me a lot regarding my decision.
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There are some pretty crazy rumors out there. Some are very amusing. Just google "swine flu conspiracy" to see what I mean. Ridiculous. It's a flu vaccine, for god's sake.-
I prefer being sick for a week than taking a small but irreversable chance of getting a neurological disease. But to each his own.
1970s swine flu vaccine eposide.
www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam
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Just wash your hands people...WASH YOUR HANDS! 8-() -
OK, question. I found a list of ingredients for the flu shot that doesn't make me feel any better now.
Here's a short list of ingredients: formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, thimerosal, animal byproducts, chlortetracycline hydrochloride, chick embryonic fluid, streptomycin sorbitol monkey kidney cells and calf serum, phenol -a compound obtained by distillation of coal tar vesicle fluid from calf skins Engerix-B, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, and live viruses.
And this next link is a video (comedic of course) that mocks what's inside a flu shot.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfCnjnShnM&feature=player_embedded
I had just spoken with my primary care physician and he said he is not giving his shots to his patients because he disagrees with the vaccination. He said that it would do more harm than good, and this is my doctor that has been in practice for over 25 yrs.
I'm even more confused now! I guess I'll suffer the swine flu before getting vaccinated.
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your doctor is an idiot.
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I agree with CA
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i third that... if my hospital will give the shots to kids with VERY low (or no) immune systems without a second guess, i'm betting it's safe (btw my hospital is in the top 5 children's hopsitals in the US so i trust them)
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Some levity for relief. Here's a cartoon I recently made regarding Swine Flu.
pastexpiry.blogspot.com/2009/10/cartoon-swine-flu-pigs.html
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That is a lot of stuff in the vaccine. I remember years ago, people were happy when a vaccine came out to protect us. There just isn't as much trust anymore. We don't just blindly trust doctors, big pharma companies or the government. For your doctor to actually say he wont even give the vaccine is extreme. But doctors will do what they believe in. My biggest fear is the more than slight chance of getting GBS with this vaccine. On the other hand this flu is worrisome how it affects the lungs worse than the seasonal flu.
There are extracts that do work as good as Tamiflu in getting over the flu quicker. And remember, the main ingredient in Tamifluis from a plant. Umcka is one extract that studies have proven to lessen the flu.
factoidz.com/the-health-benefits-of-umcka-stops-viral-and-bacterial-infecti... -
Sam, you'd think we could be able to trust our doctors and reputable companies, and mostly, Baxter for distributing the swine flu vaccination, even when they did have those scandals and mess ups.
My doctor has his reasons for not giving it out, as well as certain clinics as well. There has to be something about this - I mean, the ingredients in itself is enough for me to welcome the swine with opened arms.
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I don't need no stinkin' swine flu vaccine.
Ah ...
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CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Seriously?
I've had my annual flu shot already, and will get the H1N1 injection when/if it's available.
As for the various conspiracy theories: In my opinion, they make good stories, but I don't take them seriously. Which could mean that I'm a witless dupe, a stooge of the conspirators, or perhaps one of the shape-shifting space-alien lizard people who really rule Earth.
Or, something else.
I've been posting about swine flu (mostly drearily factual stuff), and maintain a link page to those posts, as well as to sources of information (or propaganda of the lizard people - take your pick).
apatheticlemming.blogspot.com/2009/04/swine-flu-2009.html -
Norski - loved the posts!
"Don't stock up on face masks or Tamiflu." I love it! -
There are some goofy conspiracy theories around. The best one is about the chem trails. But the ingredients in the flu vaccines, is that a conspiracy theory or is the actual ingredients.
The FDA is big on telling consumers every single ingredient and amount of that harmful saturated fat. Why can't we know what exactly the ingredients are in the flu vaccine.-
If chemtrails are still sticking where you live, start making orgonite dude!
Prisoners of orgone.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZFeEbxam8
Ups, sorry, that was a tangent. Actually, maybe not
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Ah, lovely---spam!
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Well now what - it's a freaking emergency!
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under no circumstances would I get the shot. I'm surprised so many people are not awake to what is going on here
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I would like to elaborate my basic philosophy on vaccines here, but first let me explain my background: I am a "western" MD, an assistant professor in the state university medical school in my country (Philippines). I practice both "western" and "chinese" medicine but try to acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of both. So here I go:
My basic tenent is to avoid any foreign substances as much as possible. I try to eat organic, to lessen the amount of artificial chemicals in my food. I also try as much as possible to resolve medical problems in the least invasive way possible - hence acupuncture, massage and qigong. If needed, I recommend chinese herbs and/or western drugs. Surgery is a last resort, unless it is safer than pumping someone full of drugs.
On vaccinations, I don't take a "we need them all" or "they're all bad" mentality - I take a "what's best for a particular patient" mentality. Hence, living in a third world country I most definitely recommend Hep B vaccination, for example. However, in most cases, I wouldn't recommend the swine flu or any flu shots. Why? Some diseases are difficult to treat such as hep B, or meningococcus or some of them other really wacked out ones. But the flu, I believe, can be prevented with proper diet and clothing, and if one gets an acute attack, Chinese medicine has a wonderful repertoire of treatment modalities to help with it. Also, I am hesitant to receive a "rushed" vaccine with little clinical evidence to back it up, at best. However if one is to work with H1N1 patients directly, like an infectious diseases ward nurse, heck, get it for peace of mind.
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Qispotter, I totally agree that there are "more important" vaccines that should be taken like you have stated, and for me, with this shot being so rushed (which I was nodding my head about), I am very hesitant, confused and also getting paranoid. I'm avoiding crowds at all costs, when I can, if I can and being an OCD maniac with washing my hands. I don't know what else to do.
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I think that avoiding crowds won't be necessary. And worrying yourself sick will cause you more harm than the flu itself.
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Fear is a sure way to weaken the immune system, as is overstress and anxiety. Think someone else mentioned that below.
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Nah, I'm not taking it. Won't be a bad idea though. I wonder what George Carlin would say about this?
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That video was HYSTERICAL! And yes, worrying too much can weaken the immunity too, I totally believe that. I'm so doomed.
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No you're not.
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I will not be taking swine flu vaccine..better not if I am not sure if the said vaccine is safe! -
According to an opinion poll, only 17 per cent of French people plan to get the vaccine. Nine people have also filed a suit for "poisoning attempt".
www.fleshandstone.net/healthandsciencenews/1662.html
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i got the normal flu shot - for all the good it did me. i woke up today congested with a gross chest-burning cough. by 10:00 am, i was fatigued and nauseous with a size of dizzy and hot. This afternoon, i'm cold, runny nose, cough and nausea. what's that spell to you? LOL blah.-
A vaccine has a weakened version of a virus that is meant to be easily warded off by the immune system so it can form an immunity towards it. Unfortunately, you kind of have to get sick for this to happen. Just think of it as a self induced mild sickness in order to avoid a more serious one.
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If I'm gonna get sick from a flu vaccination, I'd rather have the flu. I'd save myself from all the toxic preservatives in the vaccine.
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Now they say that they won't have the shot until December. Also they are stating that some people will be forced due to the line of work they are in. Some are protesting this.
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First - i'm a big believer in homeopathic remedies versus drugs HOWEVER I was the one who called my Dr. Tuesday morning to get a Zpak - because sometimes, you just need a good dose of steroids to kick your sinus' ass.
That being said, this is what I've heard... I pasted it below - I don't know how factual it is but since vaccines are in and of themselves, viruses, I'm not a gigantic fan. I got the normal flu shot this year because I work with too many people who are incapable of washing their hands in the restroom - thus, I figured what the hell, a little added protection. I most likely will not get the H1N1 because I just don't care enough and I don't get the flu anyways. There is such a craze about this crap right now - craziness.
No one should take the swine flu vaccine-it is one of the most dangerous Vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe a utoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus H1N1 kills by causing a "cytokine storm", which means that it cause the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have Weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune > stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.
One's best protection is vitamin D3. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils (the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient. For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of various kinds also help-this includes, quercetin, curcumin, grapeseed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. -
Wow, I never even heard of vitamin D3. By taking such a high dosage, does it have other side effects or long-term damages?
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Sjtavo, excellent information about vitamin D3 and the cytokine storm. I bought Umcka which I hear everyone say it does help them feel much better if taken as soon as they feel sick. Others wonder if extracts like Sambucus or Umcka can make the immune system over react causing a cytokine storm.
I also read that in the H1N1 deaths and pneumonia, the excess mucus caused that. Umcka is supposed to stop upper respiratory infections before they get to this point.
Here is an article about vitamin D3, at the bottom is a link to The Linus Pauling Institute which will tell you about the toxicity of vitamin D3. factoidz.com/the-health-benefits-of-vitamin-d-the-super-supplement/ -
Well, after all of this, has anyone heard of any ill effects from H1N1 vaccine? So far, a sore arm is the only side effect. Not everyone needs the vaccine, but those at high risk need not be afraid, and should take it - especially pregnant women. You'll get more mercury from a can of tuna fish than from a life saving vaccine. If toxins are the worry, it would be a great idea for everyone to start looking at the bigger picture about everyday toxin exposure and get involved in a new direction. I do think this was to have been a boon to the pharmaceutical industry though - and it won't be. -
Side effects? Yes, there have been a number of deaths in Sweden, in particular. Further, one can imagine some of the side effects are longer term in nature... which, for example, is what this neurosurgeon suggests.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmA1Lwh1giA
This doctor isn't too enthustiastic about the vaccine either.
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harveyavatar: I would love to see the actual news story of the deaths in Sweden from the vaccine.
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