Blog Catalog Discussion: Focus on Your Own Damn Family

harleyblues on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

harleyblues — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:32:29 -0500

Just lookin to see how this thread was coming along GmOney
hb~

chacham100 on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

chacham100 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:19:16 -0500

People who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones. I applaud what Palin stands for. There aren't that many like her for that she is courageous for standing up.

friedclyde on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

friedclyde — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:12:48 -0500

perhaps she was just horny

JenniferTFFQ on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

JenniferTFFQ — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:36:52 -0500

Well really "SHUNNED" is an AWESOME and FITTING word for it. I know from experience. I was a 17 year old girl who was pregnant her JR. year of high school. Let me tell you I had LOTS of good friends and several BFF's. I can tell you that only one really kept in touch with me and that was really limited to like twice a year after I had my daughter, who is now almost 20.
I felt so isolated even if I could get my mother to babysit so I could go see my friends or go to a movie, my friends were so less responsible that we were on different levels of maturity. Not to mention that many were just plain weirded out that I was a MOM now. Then your so YOUNG that the other mothers keep you at a distance because you still to imature. It totally sucked in those aspects. I didn't get to go to Prom because my JR. Year I was pregnant and eWW. Who wants a maturnity PROM dress. LMAO
I busted my butt to graduate in my correct year, and I also worked a part time job so I wouldn't be on welfare. So YES I think you hit the nail on the head with the word "Shunned". LOL

csiunatc on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

csiunatc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:29:32 -0500

Read your article. But im still waiting for you to clarify this one Mark....

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:28:31 -0500

We've got so many Sarah Palin threads going, I guess I have to say this in several of them. I just posted a very long article on her called "The Case Against Sarah Palin", http://markstoneman.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/the-case-against-sarah-palin/. Much of what I say speaks against her speaks for her in social conservatives eys, so some could read it as "The Case for Palin". I've spent a lot of time on it, linking up as much evidence as I could. Much more could be done, but I decided enough was enough already. I hope it proves of interest to some of you.

Only a section near the beginning addresses the specific issue raised by this thread, but much of the rest deals with her religious social conservatism too.

opinionstreams on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

opinionstreams — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:52:43 -0500

By choosing to run for VP when she knew her daughter was pregnant, Palin is placing her career ambitions above her family. How could you knowingly thrust your daughter, who's going through enough already, into such a media firestorm? Sure, Palin loves her daughter even with her faults, but does she love her enough to respect her need for privacy and a whole host of other things even if it comes at the price of halting her own career advancement? Apparently not!

And don't think I'm critical of her because she's a woman or a repub. I blasted John Edwards when he chose to keep running even though his wife's cancer had come back. How dare he put his political aspirations ahead of caring for his dying wife? And then to cheat on her...Edwards doesn't even exist to me anymore!

My question to you is, would you be so quick to jump to Obama's defense if one of his daughters popped up pregnant? Do you think Republicans and the Christian right would do so?

ajouie53 on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

ajouie53 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:06:37 -0500

Palin is taking care of her family. She still loves her daughter even though she had a failing. What is the option ex-communicate the daughter. The child is coming regardless. He/she is still Palin's grand child. That will never change.By confronting the situation and being open and transparent, she is taking care of her family.

gmoney on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

gmoney — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:45:24 -0500

I am close
slipped up a few times, but it is close, about 18 hours to go

csiunatc on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

csiunatc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:19:24 -0500

Still hoping that Mark will clarify this one.

Theresa111 on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

Theresa111 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:45:54 -0500

Snickering as I go off to bed for the night. Yawns and snickers. Good night :D

globalgirl on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

globalgirl — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:44:48 -0500

Sorry, I see zero difference. Why should Palin not show off her lovely family, given Obama strutted his family in an even more glorious attempt between the styrofoam pillars?

As the saying goes, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Oh wait, I meant, what is good for the dems is good for the reps!

Or, what is private to the Clintons is private to the Palins ("private"). Well, that one is not fair as there are many more secrets with the Clintons, but we won't go there.

csiunatc on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

csiunatc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:06:21 -0500

not even Gmoney is sticking to that one.

Theresa111 on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

Theresa111 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:05:50 -0500

Is forty-eight hours up, yet?

csiunatc on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

csiunatc — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:56:51 -0500

NO.. please do tell me the difference. Why would it be ok For Obama and not Palin?

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:12:35 -0500

Please tell me you see the difference, but just don't want to.

globalgirl on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

globalgirl — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:04:22 -0500

For those lefties so critical about Palin bringing 4 of her 5 children on RNC stage tonight, were you likewise as critical towards Obama when he brought his two children on stage at the DNC?

Even Obama said children are off limits...

gmoney on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

gmoney — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:57:09 -0500

mark that is GREAT...... I love Satire and I can take a joke or 2 or three.

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:54:54 -0500

I think the daughter should be off limits, but it would help if her mother wouldn't put her on a stage and use her own status as a hockey mom as a qualification for president. That's just tempting the fates too much. The public should get off the daughter's case, but so should the mother.

gmoney on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

gmoney — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:53:41 -0500

great points..........

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:52:57 -0500

Gmoney, this satire is for you. If you don't love it, please report to a hospital and get yourself checked out: http://www.npr.org/blogs/visibleman/2008/09/your_pocket_guide_to_speaking_1.html

creativedreamevent on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

creativedreamevent — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:49:38 -0500

I've read this whole thread now and the whole thing just makes me really sad. The poor girl is getting trashed in the media and by millions of people who don't even know her, what happened, why, or how. As a parent who tries desperately to be the best parent I can be, I know that I will not always be listened to, respected, or taken seriously when my child becomes a teenager because that is the nature of the beast. They are hardwired to rebel to become independent functioning adults and sometimes that results in disastrous consequences. All I can do is hope and pray that my children make good decisions and use the values they have been taught, but I know that they will make mistakes as all humans do. Just because a child is not perfect does not mean the parenting was shoddy. Besides, all I hear is that the girl is pregnant. No one seems to care that she was having sex, only that a child is the result. I agree with everyone who says that now that the pregnancy is a reality that the daughter should be loved, supported, and taught to be a good parent herself instead of tearing her and her family apart. The last thing the innocent "bastard fetus" ever needs is to feel that his/her existence was a mistake or that he/she is ever shunned/unloved/unwanted/ or less valuable because of the circumstances surrounding conception. In a way, I think it shows more "family values" that Palin's daughter could come to her with the "mistake" and feel loved and accepted than if she had quietly slipped off somewhere secretly and had an abortion, her family none the wiser. In fact, I hope my children will grow up knowing that I will love them no matter what, that amazing concept of unconditional love that so many teens never feel because of fear of judgmental parents.

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:43:43 -0500

It's less about relevance than how we treat children and young adults. By attacking Palin on this stuff, people drag her 17-year-old daughter into it, and that girl really didn't ask to be in the national spotlight, nor does she deserve grief from millions of total strangers who she's done nothing to.

gmoney on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

gmoney — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:28:54 -0500

No one is stating that Palin's daughter should have had a abortion...... Republicans and the Religious Right always preach to others about family values and ethics....... no one said that they should be perfect but please take care of your own damn family!

actionneeded on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

actionneeded — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:24:47 -0500

wow...what a topic? I am still amazed to see those who feel that Palin's daughter, 17, having a child, is not related or important to those values that she herself preach and hold dear.

wow....

luculent
http://web-justice.blogspot.com

ajouie53 on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

ajouie53 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:17:32 -0500

Who said anyone is perfect? Would everybody who is against Sarah Palin be happy if her daughter got an abortion and shoved everything under the rug. If you have children I feel sorry for them. No one could match up to your "perfect" behavior.

gmoney on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

gmoney — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:42:39 -0500

aminhers on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

aminhers — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:30:32 -0500

We have an estimation and a reason.

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:10:47 -0500

I think you're missing an important point. McCain picked a social conservative to shore up his base, which he desperately needed to do, in order to ensure a decent turnout on election day.

And even though Obama now has a decent lead in the poles (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13094.html), we would do well to take McCain and Palin seriously. I know Obama and Biden are. Best way to win.

leongaban on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

leongaban — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:58:05 -0500

It doesn't matter what she does or says, GOP has no chance at all this year... they picked a girl as a gimmick to try and persuade Hillary voters.

Obama 08!

globalgirl on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

globalgirl — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:40:19 -0500

...why weren't mother and daughter both on the pill over the last couple years?

How do I know??? Perhaps Sarah wanted a baby? Perhaps she got pregnant despite being on birth control? Perhaps she forgot to use birth control? Who knows except Sarah?

Regarding her 17 year old daughter, perhaps she didn't want her mom and dad to know she was doing the wild thing? Perhaps it was her first time and oopsy, she got pregnant. Perhaps she wasn't even thinking about birth control? Perhaps she wanted a baby?

How will we ever know? Why does it matter? Sarah has made it clear to the public she supports birth control.

My goodness, you lefties are somethin' else. And, no, I am not a republican.

AmmoBob on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

AmmoBob — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:57:33 -0500

@mark,

The comment was to Thresa111 who said "I have to admit though, that last night when I heard about it, the only thing I was pissed about was the fact that she introduced the baby as her son. If he is her son,then she is owed an apology. If he is her grandson, then he is owed an apology."

I was only asking if she has heard of any apologies.

I never said Obama had anything to do with it and your right he did come out and do the right thing today.

TheBigRuski on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

TheBigRuski — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:53:38 -0500

Humans have reason, not just instinct.

Well, of course they do!

I'm talking about, to phrase it another way: gut reaction. When a Democrat has felt for all his voting life that the Republicans have attacked their party's moral standing then it is very easy to react in an attack-back mode...and I do not hold that against them.

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:42:14 -0500

Who would apologize? That kind of BS is started by faceless rumor-mongering. Obama has nothing to do with it and has stated that families are off limits.

clioandme on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

clioandme — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:40:58 -0500

Humans have reason, not just instinct.

AmmoBob on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

AmmoBob — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:27:54 -0500

@Theresa111,

Have you heard of any apologies yet? Fact is, the baby is her son.

Bayho on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

Bayho — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:18:57 -0500

There is nothing that irritates me more then a hypocrite. . . but on the other hand her advice is more valuable since she has first hand experience in that kind of situation. I definitly don't feel like pregnant teens are shunned. My sister in law was the same age when she had her first baby and still went on to get her ba in college and is now doing really well for herself.

AmmoBob on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

AmmoBob — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:47:13 -0500

gmoney,

As for Slick Willey, there were plenty of Dems saying “why should we care what the President does in private.” Then after he lied about it, there where still a lot of Dems saying the same thing. I only tossed slick Willey in to ensure a response…lol

This issue is more important than “Slick Willey’s sexscapades. So let’s move on.

You wrote “If you can hold Spears, Lohan and Hilton to any kind of standard what standard can you hold A evangelical Christian's daughter up to. Or because her mother is running for VP we should not consider any standards? Palin and her family are on the world stage. They, just like celebrities and have made a decision to let the world into their living room.”

I never said I hold those freaks to any standard. I said when we see their behavior on TV rewarded, it needs to be countered with solid parenting skills and education. I did not indicate any standards. Governor Palin is running for VP and she should be held to the same moral standards any other Government official is held to, no more and no less.

I guess what I find odd is the loss of hope in teaching our kids the right things. The liberal attitude of “we can’t stop them from having sex, so let’s give them condoms” is not working. The US has the highest rate of teen-age pregnancy, not to mention the rate of STDs is increasing. As I said before, turning this around is not left, Right, Democrat, Republican, or Independent issue. This is about changing behavior and not condoning the trashy behavior that we have come to love and expect everyday in our daily life.

Governor Palin is trying to teach her children the right family values, but you want to condemn her efforts. Do you condemn, with the same level of intensity, the efforts of parents who give their children birth control and they still went out and got pregnant?

We can not fix the problem, if we refuse to look at the cause. This is not a one solution problem and it requires our elected officials to work together. We need to stop this bull-shit figure pointing and my idea is bigger than your idea attitude.

And let’s not get confused about attacking family members. Michelle Obama, Cindy McCain, Chelsy Clinton, Bill Clinton are all adults who choose to campaign for their family member. When you go on the campaign trail and give speeches, you are fair game for criticism. Palin’s children and Obama’s children are not out giving speeches and need to be off limits. Obama did the right thing today to make that clear, now if the rest of the folks supporting him will listen, we can move on to the real issues.

TheBigRuski on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

TheBigRuski — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:37:55 -0500

It's too late to reverse instinctive behavior...I never go to the Huffington Post...but I had to on this...

There is a whole section devoted to Palin stories. One heading being, "The Worst Vice Presidenital Pick in History."

This is not so much about "personal" attacks as a morality play on an entire political party.

timethief on 'Focus on Your Own Damn Family'

timethief — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:30:33 -0500

@Gmoney
I didn't think so. :P