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God, The Super Natural does exist. God, The Super Nature is the biggest scientist, the biggest doctor.
Posted by rajeshmsharma • 7/02/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: doctor, God, scientist, super natural
When scientific human beings make something, they say that they have created it.
They say that scientific human have invented computer.
They say that scientific human have invented electricity
Electricity already existed on this earth or universe. The example is the lightning produced during rain and storms.
A super computer already exists in human brain.
Scientific human beings think that they are the most intelligent living organism and they have the power to create.
Any scientific human's so called invention gets dwarfed by even the smallest mountain range created on our super natural god made earth.
They say that buildings are made by human, Computers are made by human while earth and galaxies and human life and water and everything ( not invented by science ) are a natural process and not creations or inventions.
Scientific human wants to prove that so called things invented by them are scientific and every thing else is not creation but it just exists due to natural process.
I would like to ask scientific community, who gave them their brain to think, who gave them their eyes to see. Who gave them life to think and do what they are doing.
They would say that it is natural process.
They explain that earth is balanced due to gravity and it rotates around Sun due to something like big bang theory. It is not build by anybody.
Earth is hanging ball in air. Is this not a creation. Is this just a natural process.
If earth, sun, water, mountains, human being are not creations then computer, motor cars, rockets, dams also are not inventions or creations, they are also natural process.
Why do science community wants to take credit for that and do not want to give credit to super natural god for creation of universe.
Great thinking scientific human being community, If you make something it is your invention and if you get something like human body, sun, galaxies then that is just a scientific event.
Size of human being is nothing compared to our universe. Size of thing ( so called ) manufactured by human is nothing even when compared to this great manufacture of earth.
The so called manufacturing’s by scientific community is nothing when compared to this creation of Universe.
Size of scientific human made computer is nothing when compared to the great computer brain manufactured by super natural god.
I am not arguing, whether god exists or not, what i am saying is that if scientist say that they have manufactured an item, even though it is existing on earth, how can they say that everything else is not manufactured.
If scientific community can manufacture something, their should be some extra terrestrial or super natural or god who may be manufacturing these items one by one.
As scientists take time to manufacture items, the extra terrestrial or supernatural or god also takes time to manufacture these items like sun, the moon, earth.
They need time to research and invent and manufacture them.
We are only able to see minute part of universe. We donot know what is whole. No human being knows.
you are living, you are the proof of existence of divine law. Does any body know how you were made? Do you know the mechanism, how you are able to see? You see through your eyes, but when your eyes are closed and when you are dreaming you can see.
What happens when you are sleeping?
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Why is it not possible that the laws of physics and the laws of nature, etc. ARE God's laws?
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This is not against nor for any group, race, nationality, or ethnic background.
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assuming them as God's law, can you throw some light on god's INTENTION? suggest you to read this:
am-not-ok.blogspot.com/2005/10/communal-harmony-senseless-thoughts.html
there are many who reject the concept of God (or the supreme power), because the INTENTION is not right...
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let's not insult ones opinion. He is clearly looking for a deeper meaning for everyday occurrences. -
riverstyxxx, Thanks for you comment. Our brain is more powerful than super computer. And we are creation of God.
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You see what kind of response you get for writing a brilliant discussion post? "You Suck".
Hang on to your hats, maties.
God is good. God is almighty...and I "think" he just may be smiling at you, rajeshmsharma! -
that picture and post by riverstyxx should be removed -
click the "report" link like I did. -
Don't worry...this whole discussion is going on record! (up to this time)
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naaaaa morgantj, why bother hitting the report button since you can't leave a message as to why you're hitting it. The entire process makes no sense to me and besides ------------------ ------ ------ ---------. Had to blank the last part out as you already know there are no censor committees here.
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Because things are not directly man made, then that must mean it is by definition made by the Flying Spaghetti Monster I guess.
Things found in "nature" is not super natural, nor divine, nor anything else along that line.-
Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed. So far no one's been able to prove this one wrong. This topic looks like it's about to get deleted or overthrown by religious fanatics, as it usually does. -
Svelmoe, Thanks for your comment. Just think who made you. Who made your eyes, who made your face, which is different from all other faces on this earth. Think Svelmoe, WHO MADE YOU.
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FSM yo... why does it matter who "made" me? When did humanity become so big that we are suddenly divine... In our core essence we are still animals just like any other. -
Great argument! (sarcasm) Huh?
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Huh? is a good reaction XD
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I don't think anyone said we are "suddenly divine". Also, you are mainly arguing semantics and not the real point.
I would tell you the real point...but I'm afraid you are not receptive at this point...and accuse me of being a Jesus Freak...or somethin'!
BTW the "huh?" was at the Flying Spaghetti Monster comment, not yours. To yours I say...you can not truly believe we are "still animals just like any other." and leave it at that. -
Yep your right Ruski that is what I'm doing. Don't mind me I've got a bit of a cold and I'm not really thinking straight at the moment. I'm just getting a bit tired of hearing stuff like this alot. And I won't think your a "jesus freak"; I respect other people's beliefs and values. Tsk Tsk Ruski don't judge people like that
Of course I don't think that we are completely the same like any other animal, but a healthy dose of being a bit humble never hurt anyone. -
rajeshmsharma, if everything requires a creator, then what created the creator?
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You are right! Humility is an awesome thing! But don't mistake someone's valued opinion and/or belief as a lack of humility.
Arrogance is deadly...we must try to discern what is arrogant and what is someone trying to tell the truth. -
Isn't that the truth Ruski. Being ill makes me mighty cranky I guess.
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When you look at the life forms on planet Earth or at the solar system you either see Divinity or you don't...-
Thanks for your comment gerryPlanetEarth. You are correct.
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Wrong spot.
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What does it mean to you when you see a lack of life on other planets in our solar system?
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morgantj says "What does it mean to you when you see a lack of life on other planets in our solar system?"
This universe is very large. Solar system is very minute part. It is not even .00000000001% of universe. -
And? that doesn't answer my question,"What does it mean to you when you see a lack of life on other planets in our solar system?
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"You see through your eyes, but when your eyes are closed and when you are dreaming you can see. What happens when you are sleeping?"
My husbands a PhD, specializing in neural biology & I work heavily with dreams, so we've had many long discussions on the subject. There's absolutely NOTHING supernatural about dreaming. The entire brain is rather active during REM sleep. "Seeing" your dream is little more than electrical activity in the visual cortex of the brain (hearing is the same thing in the auditory cortex, etc., etc.) No superstitions required. You might want to research your speculations a bit more next time.-
LGramlich, Thanks for your comment. I appreciate it from wife of a PhD, specializing in neural biology.
""Seeing" your dream is little more than electrical activity in the visual cortex of the brain"
Who creates this electrical activity?
What I am discussing is this
"If earth, sun, water, mountains, human being are not creations then computer, motor cars, rockets, dams also are not inventions or creations, they are also natural process.
Why do science community wants to take credit for that and do not want to give credit to super natural god for creation of universe."
I would like to have your precious and important and intelligent comment please. -
LOL! little more than electrical activity in the visual cortex of the brain (hearing is the same thing in the auditory cortex, etc., etc.)
Oh, yah! That sounds like a small miracle to me! -
Of course it sounds like a miracle to YOU, TBR.
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@ morgantj...agreed! And I wear that comment with pride....(and humility, I hope!)
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too proud to understand LGramlichs explanation eh. I found it right on target.
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quit being a troll! (sarcasm)
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Semantics. (sarcasm)
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Last Question about sleep: When I sleep I travel to other worlds, sometimes by spacecraft if it's a long distance. But really it's just the mind that creates this experience.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or believes. The Buddhists will go into their Nirvana or return to the cycle.
Some Christians will go to Heaven and others will wait to rise, and I'm sure it will happen.
The Advaistists will merge back into the source and some Hindus will serve Krishna or whoever in some plane of consciousness.
I am God, so are you and quite frankly I don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks or believes because that's their Truth.
And those that believe in nothing, guess what they get?
To think you are seperate from God is a great little game to play, and to try and convince others is even a greater folly.
Cosmic Blessings from the Great Guru Red Panda Deity Shiva Hari Das , Shanti Shanti Shanti-
Well Said acousticguitarist. I appreciate it.
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Check out Nisagadatta
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Can we do a little of everyone's? You know, how about a little potluck religion!
Can I hear a Haleh-Oprah! -
what created the creator?
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Shanti, Shanti, Shanti
Nisagadatta was often found saying, "to know what you are you must first know what you are not (...) body, time thoughts, space, nothing perceived is you. Are you the heart and the brain? Maybe. Or perhaps you are non-existent, nothing, non-manifest, caput - conceptually. You are non-existent, conceptually speaking, but this does not mean you are nothing. You are not a psychic entity of the mind. Since we are not a psychic entity, we are non-existent conceptually speaking."
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Anyone want to join me in my bunker?
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you bring the chips and jaffas, I've got the drinks
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yes, can we sing kumbayar (or however it is spelled) and do the group huggy thing, oh hell, skip that, chips, beer and a few jaffa cakes sound just perfect. -
Like I said above....hold on to your hats, maties!!!
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I got'em here already mate, and some comfy beanbags to sit upon. Door code is 0666...hurry!
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I don't know if I will remember that door code
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Can you provide a password clue?
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Candles burning are a must! Maybe even a little incense!
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None of what you have said provides any support for the existence of god. You have a collection of questions which may amaze and confound you but by no means do they somehow say that there is a god. They are merely scientific questions that have not been as yet answered, but we move closer to gaining greater scientific understanding of the world, and debunking crazy notions about a supreme being.-
Some of those questions aren't even scientific. -
Exactly, as science advances, the gaps of the "god of the gaps" get smaller.
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Thanks duniyah for your insight and comment.
Scientists are in search of supreme being by sending satellites in the space. They are searching for extra terrestrial.
The supreme being is so supreme that egoistic human cannot see or feel the supreme.
Only when an egoistic person is extremely ill or is in extreme difficulty or is nearing death that the egoistic human thinks and feel and remembers the supreme. -
I like supreme pizza!
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duniyah - "None of what you have said provides any support for the existence of god."
duniyah, you, earth, sun, stars, trees, birds, galaxies, cosmos are proof of existence of supreme. -
egoistic human cannot see or feel the supreme.
Only when an egoistic person is extremely ill or is in extreme difficulty or is nearing death that the egoistic human thinks and feel and remembers the supreme.
Ah, yes! But get one of us to admit we are egotistic! (sp?) That's the million dollar prize, right there!
BTW...that's the first step. Admit we are powerless. -
You are powerless TBR? I thought that believers thought that god gave us free will!
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Yep...try taking some of that power back...with your free will! You can go either way!
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what?
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You can decide that YOU are the director of your life...or you are not.
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Oh so "You can decide that YOU are the director of your life" Great! Then you are not powerless then. This contradicts what you said above, "...that's the first step. Admit we are powerless"
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I believe that "choice power" was given to us...I don't credit myself for having the "power" of choice.
In fact, I don't even credit myself for having a relationship with the Creator (staying on topic). I made a choice to follow the Divine Power (staying on topic)...yes, but it was by God's (staying on topic) power...certainly not mine!
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Hear hear! well said Duniyah.....join us in the bunker.
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Never realized people were so afraid of words!
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Why must everything be created? Is a tornado created\designed or does it form on it's own due to environmental conditions? How is anything else in nature any different? Formed by environmental conditions, chemical reactions, physics, etc... To think that everything must have been created just because man creates things reflects yet again mans ego and arrogance and suggest that the god theory was created by man in mans image.
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Thanks morgantj for your insite and comment.
The chemical reactions process and chemicals to make the plant and tomato are already created by god and are placed on earth. For eg. all the process in you computer are created once and then computer shows alphabets and words naturally.
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rajeshmsharma said, "The chemical reactions process and chemicals to make the plant and tomato are already created by god and are placed on earth. For eg. all the process in you computer are created once and then computer shows alphabets and words naturally."
You've came to a conclusion be means of an unproven premise. You are presuming it to be true that "god did it" and therefore conclude that all things following were created by god. Since the premise has not proven to be factual, then your conclusion based off of that premise is easily disputable.
rajeshmsharma said, "It is scientific humans ego that they have created a computer."
There you go, you see, natural causes. Not supernatural. -
morgantj "Why must everything be created? Is a tornado created\designed or does it form on it's own due to environmental conditions?"
Tornado are effect of creation of air on earth by the supreme.
They are same as computer virus. The so called human science create computer and virus are like tornedos.
A human when successful will say the success in caused due to human, and when human is unsuccessful, human will say that it was natural.
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rajeshmsharma said, "Tornado are effect of creation of air on earth by the supreme."
Again, you've came to a conclusion be means of an unproven premise. You are presuming it to be true that "god exist and is a supreme creator" and therefore conclude that all things following that were created by god. However, since the premise has not proven to be factual, your conclusion based off of that unproven premise is unjustified and renders it as an informal fallacy.
Also, why do you relate a tornado to a virus?
You see, you are putting the perspective of your ego in place. If a tornado comes through your city and destroys it, and you rather it "ought" not of done so and now the city is a big "mess" is even based on how you think the city "ought" to be and look. Because you think the city is no longer how you think it "ought" to be, then you conclude it is now a mess and doesn't meet with how you think it ought to be, and the tornado caused this. But this all based on your perspective of you think things "ought" to be. Indeed, the egoistic human. -
semantics
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Stating, "semantics," simply displays in incompetence to be able to provide an intelligent effective rebuttal.
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morgantj - "You've came to a conclusion be means of an unproven premise. You are presuming it to be true that "god did it" and therefore conclude that all things following were created by god."
What I am say is that If earth is not a creation than Computer and Motor Car are Rocket are also not creations.-
Your logic, - Humans create things. Therefore, all things must be created.
is not sound.
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morgantj,
Who produced electricity? What is the proof?
Who invented motor car? What is the proof?-
Zeus did right? Him and his lightning bolts?
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Stay on topic!
morgantj...you loveable guy, you!
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Testing 1, 2, 3, 4...am I still here!
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TheBigRuski, You are real Big support. Thanks
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Thank you, rajeshmsharma! And YOU are a blessing!
Testing 1, 2, 3, 4...am I still here!
Ben...Ben...Ben Stein is that you? Where did we get "Expelled" to? -
Stop being a troll.
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LOL!
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So, that's one "troll" and one "Big support".
Love you guys!
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to paraphrase Chesterton "when we remove the supernatural the world is left with the unnatural"
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The process of observing an event contradicts the definition of "supernatural", therefore, no event that can be observed can actually be described as supernatural. This leads to the conclusion that if there were supernatural events and beings, we would not be able to know about them.
Also, you have the paradox of, if something "supernatural" exists, it is by definition not supernatural. -
kevinatserieatalk, you are correct.
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@rajeshmsharma
So can you conclusively prove God's existence?-
XanthePat "@rajeshmsharma So can you conclusively prove God's existence?"
Yes I can prove, Earth is God, Sun is God, Galaxies are God, Stars are God.
Earth rotates, that means God is rotating it.
Sun emits light, that means God makes it emit light.
Human the so called great existence is not rotating earth, nor is human making the sun emit light, who else is doing it.
Who made computer?
Who made Rocket?
Who made motor car?
Hope you understand the deep meaning here.
Ego of science and human.
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rajeshmsharma,
if god has no beginning, no end, is within everything, is infinite, and has no boundaries, then god must be without edges, without contrast, and without edges to outline it, without contrast to distinguish it, god must be formless, and if god is formless then how can it be recognized, characterized, personified, and “known” at any extent at all? It cannot. This characteristic of infiniteness that creationists apply to god actually cancels out gods existence. Apply occam's razor and everything is as it is without being possessed by this supernatural deity.
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Hey, Rajesh - the fact that you are even able to ask those questions ought to make you realize why people who, before the advent of many scientific discoveries, were quick to worship the sea - or the Sun, etc -etc. When a meteor crashes into Earth, it wouldn't be uncommon to think you had upset the God's. So yes - I would even say that without science, I'd be totally worshipping the Earth right now and sacrificing a goat or something. However, can you at least agree that this sort of antiquated thinking should be done away with? When Katrina's rain and wind pounded Louisiana don't you think it' s a bit archaic to attribute that to the wrath of God? The point is that scientists are making discoveries and gaining insight into things that we used to be ignorant about, yet as these things become demystified, you witness firsthand the backlash it produces. But why? We are in a scientific awakening - there is so much information out there yet the cognitive dissonance required to accept it is apparently too overwhelming for the majority.
I can respect that people would still want to have a relationship with their God or remain spiritual (as I don't think religion has a monopoly on spirituality) and I feel I'm confident enough to choose not to. I don't cause a scene during Thanksgiving dinner when everyone gathers around to pray for the dinner - I understand that religion is deeply embedded within humans. However, there are too many questions left; such as - if I were to take everything from the scripture as literal truth - then it ultimately means that God is unjust and sadistic. Who would create something (that never asked to be created in the first place) offer them the illusion of free will and if they carry out their free will the wrong way and reject him, will be set ablaze for eternity? Why would he let a Russian Roulette for your soul to transpire, especially since you never asked to be here to begin with? You really think a God created you because he needed you to choose him? People, let's not be pious. If he needed you then he was imperfect to begin with, not to mention something perfect could never make a blunder such as human beings who went on in their own sinful ways - If God created everything then he also created sin. To suggest he didn't would imply that there is another creator. Anyway, I didn't mean to write this much, but those are my feelings about it. I love you guys. -
erick180, I am not talking about scriptures or divinity here.
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This is Earth. Let's get over ourselves.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot
" Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known." - Carl Sagan-
I couldn't agree more.
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No sorry i dont understand the deep meaning, I just want hard evidence. If God does exist why did he make the dinosaurs first?
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XanthePat, give me proof that god does not exist.
Are you able to give the proof.
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Join us! Join the dark side!
OK so it is dark violet, but still, it's pretty dark by comparison with say, light baby blue.
www.blogcatalog.com/group/religious-debate-
I can't...I've been banned for being "disruptive" and "ill-mannered"....go figure!
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sucks or makes-no-sense-at-all!
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rajeshmssharma you stated in one of your replies to me :
"duniyah, you, earth, sun, stars, trees, birds, galaxies, cosmos are proof of existence of supreme."
Why Exactly is this proof? If you want to convince people of something surely you have to go beyond just making a statement and expecting people to take it at face value. What you have stated is proof of nothing as far as i am concerned.-
exactly, it is an empty statement.
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duniyah - "Why Exactly is this proof?"
What is the proof that the god given heart which you have in your body is yours? Is your name written on the heart.
What is the proof that the kidney which god has put in your body is yours?
Have you got it tested?
What is the proof that the machine which test it is giving correct result?
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morgantj "what created the creator?"
This is what I am trying to explain here.
Science community say that they invent things like computer, motor car, rocket etc., they create these things.
I say science community do not create these things.
Computer, Motor Car, Rockets etc are natural process.-
If it's all natural processes, then why do you find the need to explain things with a SUPERNATURAL god?
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morgantj - "If it's all natural processes, then why do you find the need to explain things with a SUPERNATURAL god?"
Because God has made me to explain it to people whom god was not able to add that good part in their brain. Their are so many things which god has to do in this universe and galaxies, some get more some get less. God balances everything by giving to those who got less.
My natural process made me do it.
God is creating a perfect universe and galaxies and god is making improvement by experimenting, One of gods minor / small experiment is human.-
You failed to explain the need for any SUPERNATURAL intervention. And you have not proven that any SUPERNATURALNESS exist to begin with. You simply repeating over and over that "god did it" in different ways does not prove god did it nor that there even is a god.
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erick180, Thanks for you well explanatory comment. I liked it.
But I am not talking here about divinity or about scriptures here.
I am talking about big "I" of science community who want to credit themselves about every thing.
I am talking about human who think that they are the most powerful on this earth. Which is not a truth?
I want to tell these so called powerful human the Nature is more powerful them human. Accept it. -
morgantj, who made computer, motorcar, rocket and please prove it.
The heart which is thier in your body, please prove it that it is yours or throw it away.
Please prove that the tests which you carry on any machine on this earth is correct.
Their is no perfect machine on this earth.
Prove that morgantj is morgantj.-
rajeshmsharma - I am missing any point to what you are postulating. You are just posting questions which no intelligent person would deign to answer - "prove that the heart in your body is yours".
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so duniyah you are not able to prove that the heart in your body is your own. Than why do you want us to prove that god exist. You yourself are not able to prove about your body.
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I have the proof that god exists and there are more than 100 million people who would give you the proof. What is the bigger proof than 100 million people who say yes God exists.
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That is not proof. Having a group of people believing something is not proof.
How did this spammy discussion last so long anyway?
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100 million may well believe in god but they dont all think he made the car or playboy
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crkian You prove who made car
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you prove to me 'god' made the car
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DrowseyMonkey - "That is not proof. Having a group of people believing something is not proof."
Ask your advocate, what proof means or check it on wikipedia, what proof means.-
Anyway ...
You said,
"What is the bigger proof than 100 million people who say yes God exists."
My response was, that is not proof. -
DrowseyMonkey, give me proof that the heart which your body has is yours. Give me proof that the legs which god has given you are yours.
No machine is perfect on this earth. No machine can give 100% correct results on this earth. -
What does that have to do with proof that god exists? You make no sense. Give me proof that you make sense.
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DrowseyMonkey , Give me proof that god does not exist.
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I don't have proof of that. Not having proof doesn't proove god exists.
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geee,
For me it is clear. Something cannot come out of nothing. God (or however you call it / Him) had to start life. In simple terms, I think it takes more faith to believe that something came out of nothing that there is a supreme being.
Or let's look it this way. If you don't believe in God then you die and that is it. If you do believe in God and do what He says (according to your faith) you will have a good after life. If this is true than not believing will lead to condemnation so it is wiser than to believe in God.
There is no proof God exists because it is a personal approach and experience. Faith I shall say is on what you cannot see or prove. At any rate. I put my faith in God rather than in a big bang that oh suddenly created something, then micro organisms, then we add millions of years and there are plants, than more millions and there are animals. I am not saying evolution does not exist at all but the beginning was created by something (God).
I respect other views though and I think it is interesting but don't try to prove God. It is all faith. So where is your faith. Big bang or God?-
Great points...but there is proof ALL over the place...it just depends if you want to look or not...
And I am not saying that in a "condeming" way! -
latinocool79, you are real cool. I accept your point.
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There is proof to those who see it through the eyes of faith. But to those who are "blind" then there is just confusion and scientifically disagreements. I mean for me just living is proof but others will say that it is nature or I dunno.
Then I can also add, prove love exists. Ummm.. many will say different answers but would that mean it does not exist? I guess we see love through actions and some see God through goodness but only if you have faith. -
"Something cannot come out of nothing. God (or however you call it / Him) had to start life."
That's a pretty big leap. To jump to the conclusion that since something cannont come out of nothing therefore god created it? -
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I am just stating a scientifically fact. Research shows. Something cannot come out of nothing. Evolution states that there was a big bang. But with what elements? How were they formed? this is somethings scientists cannot answer. -
If you accept that something comes from nothing ... that's great ... but don't make the leap that therefore it must come from god. That's a huge leap to make.
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I agree, than what are your options. Supreme being? The force or a force? Or maybe you do believe that something came out of nothing and I would respect that but if it isn't God or a Supreme being than what is your belief?
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If something cannot come from nothing, then what did god come from?
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God always was is and will be. It is something that we cannot understand. He always existed and he is not limited by time. I can't even understand it but it is a great question. But try to give your dog a math quiz and he won't be able to do it cuz his brain can't achieve that intelligence. Same here. Our minds do not accept that but tell me. What is your other choice?
That was what I referred to when I said, it taked more faith to believe in that nothing came out of something (which is proven scientifically impossible) than believing in a supreme being but hey... that is me. -
latinocool79 said, "God always was is and will be. It is something that we cannot understand. He always existed and he is not limited by time. I can't even understand it but it is a great question. But try to give your dog a math quiz and he won't be able to do it cuz his brain can't achieve that intelligence. Same here. Our minds do not accept that but tell me. What is your other choice?"
If "It is something that we cannot understand" and you say yourself can't understand it, then how can you claim to know that "god always was, is, and will be, and that he always existed and he is not limited by time"?
You say you don't understand it, while at the same time claiming to know something about it.
Also, if this "supernatural" all-powerful god can be an uncaused cause, why couldn't there have just been a first "natural" cause?
If you want to say that complex thing must have been created then how can something so complex as god have no cause while everything else must? God is the Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit. If you want to say that everything must have been created, then you are subject to your own statement, and thus god must have been created.
Not to mention, slapping a god into the equation does not solve infinite regression. It actually makes it more complicated and leads to needing further explanation for how the deity came to be. Its just plugging in an extra variable, one that happens to be able to do all things and explain everything away. I don't think so, that's an easy way out to attempt to explain answers we don't have yet. All the evidence indicates natural causes, All evidence we have is natural, there is no evidence of anything supernatural, so it is more probable that that the prime mover was a simple natural cause as opposed to a complex supernatural all powerful and all knowledgeable creator that requires more explanation for its existence then would a simple natural cause. -
your own initial premise that "something cannot come out of nothing" contradicts your own belief that god made everything. as the clear question now become who made god?
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DrowseyMonkey, give me proof that the heart which your body has is yours. Give me proof that the legs which god has given you are yours.
No machine is perfect on this earth. No machine can give 100% correct results on this earth.-
I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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crkian - "you prove to me 'god' made the car"
Car is made from products extracted for earth which is made by god. All product of car are made by god. Car runs on gas or petrol which is gods product.
This is the proof that Car is made by god.-
that doesnt prove god made the car I suppose he/she/it worked down the mines in the 80s as well.
So basically what you are saying is I am not me nothing of mine is mine, nothing I see was built by builders or engineers. My kids are not mine. Im typing with hands that are not mine.
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crkian - "So basically what you are saying is I am not me nothing of mine is mine, nothing I see was built by builders or engineers. My kids are not mine. Im typing with hands that are not mine."
Correct crkian, now you have understood.
What happen to human body after death? Where is human body before birth?
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show me a 200 year old person.
I dont understand, your coming out with stuff and contradicting yourself.
Better go and tell the kids Im not their daddy
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You are confusing me a bit. What is your point because you launch questions with no clear goal.
you say "car is made by God" What does this mean? Or prove your heart is yours? I do not understand your argument. Can you please be a little more clear?
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And millions of people said the earth was flat. Everytime I fall of the edge I curse those science folks that convinced me it was roundish.-
werelax, it is in your mind only, that "millions of people said the earth was flat." You have wrong information.
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you just called it his mond then you say its gods mind, your contradicting yourself
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werelax , give me proof that "millions of people said the earth was flat."
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Yes correct chacham100, your question is absolutely correct, "who created the big bang?" great. I liked that.
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"Who created the big bang?" Why does the cause of the big bang have to be a "who." Why make that assumption? You are under the assumption that everything requires a creator, a designer. Why must everything be created? Is a tornado created\designed or does it form on it's own due to environmental conditions? How is anything else in nature any different? Formed by environmental conditions, chemical reactions, physics, etc... To think that everything must have been created just because man creates things reflects yet again mans ego and arrogance and suggest that the god theory was created by man in mans image.
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morgan - you're so logical. I like that. I have a feeling logic is lost on people of faith tho .. which is fine I guess.
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thanks drowsey. I know exactly what you mean.
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WHEN A HUMAN COUNT 1 TO 100 IN HIS / HER MIND , IS HE OR SHE ABLE TO GIVE ANY PROOF THAT HE OR SHE COUNTED 1 TO 100.
WHEN A PERSON SEES DREAM, IS THEIR ANY PROOF THAT HE OR SHE SAW A DREAM.
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Chill...dear...you don't have to shout!
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Point taken TheBigRuski. Thanks
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If you believe in god so much, why do you care about proof? And why do you care that people don't believe what you do?
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If you knew truth...wouldn't you want to share it?
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the truth as you see it. Truth is subjective.
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Oh, so you believe that truth can be whatever you believe it to be?
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Yep. Truth is very subjective. That's not really news is it? My truth and your truth and the truth of someone living in some other culture ... it's all subjective.
I mean, unless you're talking about scientific proof or something, then that has a different criteria, a criteria that can't determine the existence of god. This is not new ... it's an old argument.
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However, for me...there is all kinds of proof...I could go on and on. But I don't need to here.
This thing becomes one huge circular discussion. We don't need to go there. Everyone knows where to get a hold of anyone here at BC by shouts and private shouts.
BTW....testing 1, 2, 3, 4...am I still on?
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Why do you keep asking for proof of random things? Isn't the idea of proving something a human concept? And you said yourself that nothing we have is ours. So why do these ideas matter if they don't belong to anyone? That is the danger of the human mind; our logic can twist in very strange ways. So tell me, what is the proof that you are typing right now? What is the proof that numbers exist? What is the proof that there is something called proof? Do you see how ridiculous this is? We can drive ourselves crazy asking these endless questions that lead nowhere. Your beliefs are based on faith, yet asking for proof of things is purely rational. Enlighten me here cause I don't understand.
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I agree. Faith is what drives religion so why pursuit proof. It is like proving that Jesus is the Son of God? You can't. Of course we Christians would say it was because he fulfilled the prophecies. What prophecies? well those in the old testament. But prove it is the true word of God. See, it is not proving to all what you believe. It is having peace in what you believe and sharing it to those who have that same faith.
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Latinocool that was very well said. People who have a Religion have made a conscious choice to affirm themselves with that religion's beliefs and values. If a person truly has faith in a certain religion, would that person feel a need to try and prove the so called "truth" of his beliefs? If you believe and have faith in something, then the opinions of others shouldn't matter much to you, no? If you follow a religion it should be something very personal that you share with family and people of the same faith.
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thoughtsofg, my article is not about divine. You have to read the article, than you will know what I am discussing.
I am saying that if computer is made by human than earth is made by god.
Human is the channel. Human is not an end.
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This discussion is about Scientific human who wants to prove that so called things invented by them are scientific and every thing else is not creation but it just exists due to natural process.
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So basically your saying that: Scientists want to prove that their inventions are "scientific" and that everything else came to be because of Natural Processes.
I don't understand what you are trying to say very well, because the article is basically a list of statements. Humans are called the creators of computers because they did physically make them. You say that since the materials we use apparently came from God, that God made all these things. It was human beings who took these materials and turned them into a unique piece of technology. You are assuming that because we create things that someone else must have created the world that we live in. How does that make any sense? BTW, Scientists and Inventors are a bit different. -
rajeshmsharma said, "I am saying that if computer is made by human than earth is made by god."
rajeshmsharma, your logic is terribly flawed.
Your logic is as follows:
Humans create things.
Therefore, Earth was created by a supernatural being.
Using your logic, I can just as easily say that humans are lying, cheating, egotisistical, arrogant, selfish, mortal, finite, and restricted creatures that paint pictures. Therefore, there is a lying, cheating, egotisistical, arrogant, selfish, mortal, finite, and restricted supernatural being that painted earth.
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XanthePat, give me proof that God does not exist.
(Sorry just had to pop to the shops.)
I don't think that I have to prove anything since I didn't start a discussion here saying that i couldn't prove the existance of God .
I'm afraid that your the one who says that you can prove that God exists in the title of this discussion post????????? so where is it?-
rajeshmsharma - you state that if humans created the computer than something created the earth and this to you is god. ok so follow the logical step and tell me who created god?
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thoughtsofg, nature is expanding and improving, and what is being carried out here is part of this improvement. Nature is moving towards perfect whole.
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rajeshmsharma - you state that if humans created the computer than something created the earth and this to you is god. ok so follow the logical step and tell me who created god?
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Nature is actually and unfortunately being adversely affected by our actions on this earth. Stripping the land of resources, pollution, Global Warming; Nature would probably be a perfect whole if humanity did not exist. This is just our sad state of affairs.
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thoughtsofg, - "You are assuming that because we create things that someone else must have created the world that we live in. How does that make any sens"
If what human make the so called thing than nature also make so called things like earth, sun, galaxies.
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duniyah - "rajeshmsharma - you state that if humans created the computer than something created the earth and this to you is god. ok so follow the logical step and tell me who created god?"
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No one said that the "creation of the earth" was "magic". The creation of the computer wasn't magic either. It came straight from the human imagination and ingenuity. How can Nature make things? Is nature a being?
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duniyah, human takes credit for everything, human is also a process of nature. Computer and Car are process of nature in the same way as trees and mountains are process of nature. Human is only a channel.
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You and I. I think we are on different channels. Your channel isn't coming in that clear.
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TBR, that is just sad.
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...in your opinion.
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thoughtsofg, being or not being is just a language, it is just a grammer. Earth is also growing are are trees and human. Sun is also growing.
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thoughtsofg , nature is not only earth, it is universe and galaxies and cosmos.
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rajeshmsharma - instead of answering a question with a question actually try to answer the question someone poses. otherwise I dont see why you bother posting on a "Discussion" board. Honestly you just come across like a bogus godman or charlatan who is incapable of providing answers so you just another question.
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duniyah "rajeshmsharma - you state that if humans created the computer than something created the earth and this to you is god. ok so follow the logical step and tell me who created god?"
duniyah this makes it more clear. Human is a natural process and so is computers and cars and rockets. All these are natural process. and so is god.-
Aha...we are nothing but "natural processes"? Human beings are animals; living organisms like any other. Computers, cars, and rockets are inventions that we have created. These are not processes.
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duniyah, do not use words. do not go personal.
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duniyah, you are discussing here on the board. I have put my thought.
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thoughtsofg - "Aha...we are nothing but "natural processes"? Human beings are animals; living organisms like any other. Computers, cars, and rockets are inventions that we have created. These are not processes."
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thoughtsofg - "Aha...we are nothing but "natural processes"? Human beings are animals; living organisms like any other. Computers, cars, and rockets are inventions that we have created. These are not processes."
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Ok this is enough. If you believe that god has created everything, then that is yours. But none of what your saying makes any logical sense. You are trying to apply rational questions to matters of people's beliefs. And you keep repeating the same idea over and over. That is my opinion. Anyways, good day to you.
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Good day thoughtsofg. Enjoy.
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rajeshmsharma - its not a personal attack i am merely calling it as i see it. you do not answer questions with answers but more questions. and that reminds me of cult leaders who make abstract statements without any solid answers.
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duniyah, what is cult here.
If human can create computer why cannot someone else create earth.
Whats cult about it?
If human can create car, why cannot someone else create a solar system.
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Why must this something be based off of human capabilties? Also, if you want to do that, can a human create a solar system? Can a human create a planet?
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You're not here to discuss, but to preach. You're not here for open debate, you want to force your superstitions down other peoples' throats.
No wonder you don't do any research...
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DarknessFalls; Exactly...same old, same old. *yawn*
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@LGramlich
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Thanks again, timethief.
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*cough* Religion and politics.
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@DVS
Yes, indeed religion and politics seem to be posted everywhere these days don't they? I confess that I have a Shameless Blog Promotion thread that includes with both. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/wake-up-america-god-is-not-on-your-side
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Your entire blog is completely wrong and byase.
Scientist are not that arrogant we believe that nature in it's self is a process, we don't manufacture we harnass. Electricity is a element that we found out how to harnass, so we used it. And we don't give credit to god because THERE IS NOT ONE. jeez -
Spelloquently said my good man! Now let us be off to the bunker before things become a tad thermo-nuclear around here!
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Are you kidding heres thermo nuclear for you
Im tired of God getting all the credit when any one makes any art or anything at all
All anyone ever says is that "oh thank God for this, and God for that"
People are one of the greatest being on Earth,
look around you everything you take for granted, that you use in daily life... a person made that for you, by themselves. God is revered as helping someone when something goes right but for some reason the christian faith can't blame god for what goes wrong. SATAN WAS BEHIND THIS, yeah well if a god would have taken care of him we wouldn't be in this mess
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God has commanded me to come forth and defend him on this thread.
Nah, I'm kidding. He says the giant graduated cylinder in the sky awaits all those who only believe in science....or the dreaded Bunson burner - depending on how solid your theories are. -
I hopefully will end up in the easy bake oven
no just the melting pot of doom will do fine
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every element in the the invention were already there in the fist place, our so-called intelligence merely discovered their presence and use them in an invention - in an assembly of things seen (hardware) and unseen (energy).
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Damn, that really sums it up!
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blasphemer!!!!
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Hours and hours of self indulgent yada, yada, yada
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Im not saying the things were not there im saying they developed themselves
we harnassed them in a way no other being could (except beavers and otters quiet useful yet simple hmmmm). And what says god made it why could it have been random particles colliding in ways the universe has been around for BILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE EARTH in that time particles could have collided making the world and from there on
you know the phrase a million monkeys with a million typewriters and one of them is going to make the bible (true story)-
What this thread needs is a musical interlude
All together now ...
A long time ago when the Earth was green,
There was more kinds of animals then you've ever seen.
And they'd run around free while the world was being born.
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@ender
Thanks *lmao* Woo Hoo!
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Who said man invented Electricity???? who is this they????
technology created the personal computer as tool, you confuse the word "computer" as a metaphor when applying it nature.
only part of part of science is in the manufacturing business. Applied sciences, Engineering.
I read this on my blogcatalog dash, with 200 comments, and i realize i just do not get "social Blogging"-
translation please?
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You understand rajeshmsharma but not dragonlager? Now that is fascinating!
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allow me to translate:
if you believe, or have been taught:
"They say that scientific human have invented electricity"
your beef is not with science.
you beef is with your middle school science teacher, who clearly should be fired for teaching science wrong.
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What's wrong about believing in God? I've read through all 200+ comments and realize that there is a lot of disrespect for religious people. I must agree that this discussion start from a lot of false premises, but hey! I come from a scientific background and every scientific knows (even though not all publicly accept) that a lot of faith (Bohr forgives me fot that word) is needed to sustain a lot of scientific theories.
Isn't that true that even though we scientists have NO ONE proof that any known organic form has been formed by random collisions of athoms, we keep repeating that "organic life formed on the primal earth from inorganic elements under given conditions of pressure, temperature and yada yada yada..."?
Those conditions have been replicated on laboratories, but so far, no one organic molecule (less talk about a "form of life") has came up from these experiments. Certainly a leap of FAITH is needed to keep saying that all forms of life we know on earth originated from random collisions, but we dare to call "fanathics" those who think God made all.
Religious people don't have proof God made all, scientists don't have proof that all forms of life originated from random interaction of inorganic elements, so every opinion on this matter deserves respect.
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amtelemarket, you are to the point. You being a scientists are to the point, which I want to convey. Thanks. I accept what you say. You have explained it in a great way.
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rajeshmsharma said, "you are to the point. You being a scientists are to the point, which I want to convey. Thanks. I accept what you say. You have explained it in a great way."
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Nobody is being "disrespectful" to religion because religion does not rightfully deserve any respect.
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"In the natural sciences, abiogenesis, the question of the origin of life, is the study of how life on Earth emerged from non-life. Scientific consensus is that abiogenesis occurred sometime between 4.4 billion years ago, when water vapor first liquefied,[2] and 2.7 billion years ago, when the ratio of stable isotopes of carbon (12C and 13C), iron (56Fe, 57Fe, and 58Fe) and sulfur (32S, 33S, 34S, and 36S) points to a biogenic origin of minerals and sediments[3][4] and molecular biomarkers indicate photosynthesis. This topic also includes panspermia and other exogenic theories regarding possible extra-planetary or extraterrestrial origins of life."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life
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That is diffent from Faith
we are not revering that atom as a being that is going to love us and is going to make our lives better if we just beg o so nicely
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Argh! I go to my friend's house to play video games for a few days and THIS THREAD happens.
www.blogcatalog.com/group/religious-debate
Post this crap there and keep it off the main discussion board.
As for the OP's repeated "Who created this?" querying: Things can exist without being "created." Humans (all humans) have a natural arrogance and a tendency to filter out 99.9% of the information we receive to prevent a total sensory overload. We like to think of everything as invented, and the idea of a "creator" appeals to most... but is completely illogical.
Let's start with a question: Where did everything come from?
Without answering it, we look at everything. Look at the galaxies, the stars, the laws of physics. Does ANYTHING directly indicate the existence of a creator without making an unnecessary assumption? No. Therefore, we have no evidence of a god (or gods) and they cannot be said to exist. However, the probability of there being a god is so incredibly small (equivalent by no coincidence to the size of the gaps in our scientific understanding) that Pascal's wager is not applicable.
Believing in a god is irrational.-
Post this crap there and keep it off the main discussion board.
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Well, you can't really call this a discussion. LOL ... I mean, the guy who started this isn't exactly talking or interacting with anyone. He's just posting nonsensical statements that really don't promote discussion. I was just commenting for the sheer fun of it ... plus I was bored.
But I think he's trying to discuss religion and that should be posted in the religion section ... wherever that is.
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I would want everybody to read what amtelemarket has said.
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I would want everyone to read what amtelemarket has said and take it with a grain of salt. Skepticism is healthy.
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I want everyone to get at the very least a basic science education.
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I want to combine D&D, sex, and chocolate.
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I want everyone to ready what voodookobra has just said.
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Voodookobra: "Nobody is being "disrespectful" to religion because religion does not rightfully deserve any respect."
That's the kind of comments I was talking about. Religion deserves respect as any other good manifestation of our humanity deserves it, (i.e. as your agnosticism).
As you have said, skepticism is healthy, but why when one is skeptic about religion, he/she looks like "inteligent", "logic", "intellectual", but when one is skeptic about science, he/she gets automatically labeled and intellectually diminished?
Science hasn't all the answers, there are things that science cannot explain and many times our accepted knowledge has to be taken "with a grain of salt".
Maybe in 50, 100 or 1000 years from now the human race will have all the answers and there will be only one accepted truth, but in the meantime, I claim my right to freely express my beliefs on what it could be.
I'm not trying to shovel my beliefs down the throat to anybody, I don't want anybody call me names because of them or shove their disbeliefs down my throat. You are not more intelligent for being agnostic, I'm not more stupid (than I already am for other circumstances ) for being religious. Live and let live.
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[I want to combine D&D, sex, and chocolate.]
Al right! Finally, a faith I can live with.
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voodooKobra if human can create a computer, extra terrestrial can create earth and solar system.
It is not only human who can create things.
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For one, you don't know what extraterrestrials can do. Second, why assume they are like humans?
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Just because an ambiguously hypothetical extra-terrestrial CAN create the earth and solar system doesn't mean it DID. Also, do you have proof that there is extra-terrestrial life (other than speculating on the probabilities)?
Assumptions are human error... a stab in the dark that rarely hits.
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morgantj, science is based on assumptions.
Science assumes many things which it does not know. Assumptions by science are not made public.
Basics of science are assumed.-
No, science is based on observations. The goal of science is to explain the most while making the fewest number of assumptions possible. Just because a few hundred years ago scientists had to rely on assumptions (see my stab in the dark analogy) doesn't mean that they still do. Science is about questioning established belief in order to get to truth.
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rajeshmsharma, you avoided my question to your claim - "if human can create a computer, extra terrestrial can create earth and solar system."
For one, you don't know there are extraterrestrials.
Second, you don't know what extraterrestrials can do.
Third, why assume they are like humans?
Fourth, your logic doesn't follow in the first place.
It equates to - My cat can create turds in the litter box, therefore extra terrestrials can create the earth and solar system.
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voodooKobra Do you have proof for following,
1. What is the proof that the heart in the so called your body is yours
2. When you count 1 to 100 in you mind, what is the proof that you have counted from 1 to hundred.
There are more than 100 million proof only on earth who confirm that god exists.
You can read biography of Einstein, If you think that you are scientific.
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Einstein didn't believe in a personal god. He was pantheistic, meaning he used the term "god" as a synonym for nature.
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Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.
(Albert Einstein, 1936, The Human Side. Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray.)
Source: www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
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LOL, rajeshmsharma, that link you provided list numerous quotes from Einstein that contradict what you have been saying.
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In Einstein's view, "neither the rule of human nor Divine Will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted … by science,
Source : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein-
Einstein's views are irrelevant to reality.
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Voodoo ... if you're looking for logic or common sense, may I suggest a different thread? LOL
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voodooKobra, "Einstein's views are irrelevant to reality."
Then voodooKobra which scientist are you talking about. If science of Einstein is irrelevant than which science is relevant my friend.
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All scientists. Einstein was a genius and contributed to science, but he was wrong on more than one occasion. Why should I trust one person entirely? That's stupid.
Also, Einstein's science and Einstein's religion are separate things.
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voodooKobra, you donot believe in science and you donot believe in religion.
What do you believe it?
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I don't believe anything said by another person as irrefutable fact. I don't care what Einstein says or believes; I only care about the ideas of his which were PROVEN to be true.
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The truth is reality, actuality. The way things really are.
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VoodooKobra, what is reality?
Their are sound which we cannot hear above a point of decible and below a point of decible.
Is this reality?
If you donot hear a sound above a reality, does it mean that it does not exist.
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voodooKobra - what do you care about in this discussion please tell me? I want to know more. I want to learn please.
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ad hominem much?
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BTW..I want to thank BC for letting this thread run! In the long haul, I think you will be rewarded...
Testing 1,2,3....4...Is this thing still on?!-
well, they probably let it run because no one reported it. It's my understanding they don't monitor these things. This thread is hardly report worthy.
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Oh, contrar (sp?) whether it's someone from BC or some moderators or members, "religion" as it is called and Intelligent Design are dirty words.
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Well, with all due respect, I don't think anyone is taking this discussion thread very seriously, for obvious reasons. So it's hard to get upset about anything here.
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TheBigRuski, I would like anyone who wants to discuss this. What is your opinion.
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@ "you are living, you are the proof of existence of divine law."
Yeah I agree. Are we debating this issue anyway?
@"Does any body know how you were made? Do you know the mechanism, how you are able to see? You see through your eyes, but when your eyes are closed and when you are dreaming you can see."
You should tell us what you see then righ???
I think you mean...WE DREAM/WE LIVE...we don't SEE!
As to: "What happens when you are sleeping?"
Here is a great article for you:-)
"Many Mysteries"
To forge better remedies for sleep disorders, scientists have had to struggle with some fundamental mysteries. We spend a third of our lives in bed, yet no one has been able to explain the necessity, and bona fide scientific studies are barely a few decades old. We have learned, for example, that the need for sleep varies greatly by species and is related to physical size: Opossums snooze for 18 hours a day, while elephants need just three hours. Even where sleep is inconvenient or dangerous, evolution provides work-arounds. Dolphins, for example, shutter only half of their brains at a time, remaining half-awake when they sleep.
By dragging humans into sleep labs and hooking them up to monitors, scientists have made a handful of discoveries about what the body does when it's asleep. During the deepest phases of slumber, growth hormone is released, facilitating cell repair and energy restoration. And much has been observed about REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, when our eyes dart frantically beneath our eyelids and we dream vividly of talking petunias and killer clams. Many scientists believe REM and non-REM sleep work together to consolidate memories and experiences and burn them permanently into our brain's hard drive. That could explain why some people wake up and suddenly have a solution to a problem that seemed insurmountable the day before. But the connection to sleep is still unclear.
www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_04/b3867001_mz001.htm
And finally...If I tell you that "I KNOW the mechanism"
you would D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y say I'm a scientific dog:-) -
I thank www.blogcatalog.com for having this discussion on.
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You do realize that you're not actually "discussing" anything don't you?
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DrowseyMonkey, it is still on.
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Yes, the discussion thread it here .. but you personally, you are not discussing ... you are just making statements.
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DrowseyMonkey, Nature is so big that it cannot be discussed in just 24 hours. It need much much more time.
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@rajeshmsharma
Although anyone can post a topic to General Discussion most of us are perceptive enough to know when a discussion is not actually taking place.
This is what your blog description says:
Blogging Personal
Tags: blog, SEO, meditation, yoga, webmaster, pranayam
I assume the reason that you submitted your blog to BC and had it approved is because you want to promote it and to increase traffic to it. If that's so then perhaps you think posting this thread you will move closer to that goal. Frankly, I think you have already achieved the opposite effect.
There is no evidence that confirms the existence of a God or multiple Gods and we all know that. IMO you are beating a dead horse because I believe that most of us here at BC already have a belief system and are not likely to be persuaded to change it.
Worse still, the fact that you are persisting means you are taking the risk of alienating more bloggers from your blog than you attract to it. If blogging is what you are about then why take the risk?-
Good Golly Miss Molly...
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Isn't that supposed to be the spirit of any discussion? To express different points of view about the same subject?
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Well said timethief, he has not answered a single question.
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@dunyiah
You have said: "he has not answered a single question"
Indeed IMO there does not appear to be a discussion going on here. Have you noticed this? It was posted 18 hours ago.
"You're not here to discuss, but to preach. You're not here for open debate, you want to force your superstitions down other peoples' throats.
No wonder you don't do any research...
I'm out (of this non-discussion,) peace."
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/god-the-super-natural-does-exist-god-the-...
Worse still is that continuing this non-discussion is not likely to increase traffic to his blog and that is what we are here for, isn't it?
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i don't know how all these things prove that God exists though. Although, I do believe in God. And I try to keep an open mind ^^ -
Beliefs are such a personal thing. What puts me in perspective is how miniscule I look from outer space. How can we know it all when we don't even use all of our brain tissue?
Hugs, JJ-
it's not my fault i can't use all my brain
i been trying but it hurt me head
we are miniscule but think how boring everything would be if we did not question
Orthodoxy is Unconsciousness
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BUT they are not saying it is energy the are saying it is a SUPERHERO
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I'm not so sure they know what they are saying.
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Do you think this is the real thing, or a parody?
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I'm seriously trying to figure it out. LOL.
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"We are only able to see minute part of universe. We donot know what is whole. No human being knows."
well i believe this.
But then how can you talk of "supernatural"?
the "super" natural would only at best be speculation, a speculation of humans who only see a minute part of the Natural universe.
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How does any of this prove this mystical being you call "god"? This "god" meme is nothing more than X in a mathematical equation. You replace the things you can't explain in life with "god" as if you have somehow answered a question, but you have not. All you have done is replaced one unknown for another. Pointing to a tree and claiming "god" created it does not prove "god". I might say the Flying Spaghetti Monster created it, can you prove me wrong? If you will notice, they also have “proof” www.venganza.org/
Sorry but none of this proves the fairytale creature known as “god”.-
You're making the same mistake I made: Using logic and reasoning in this topic.
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I don't want to argue about this topic because this is one of the things I entered in the 'name one thing you consider to be a waste of time' discussion.
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/name-one-thing-you-consider-to-be-a-waste...
In case you want to read my views, here it is.
wastedwisdom.blogspot.com/2008/04/gods-existence.html
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@rajeshmsharma:
If you can prove that the invisible unicorn isn't pink - I will happily answer all your questions. Oh, and just to save you a "who" - then the invisible unicorn - which is pink of course - is made by the Flying Spaghetti Monster)
Silly way to "discuss" but - alas - silly is what silly does. And often sarcasm is a wonderful tool. -
"They explain that earth is balanced due to gravity and it rotates around Sun due to something like big bang theory. It is not build by anybody."
---Invisible unicorn or PT Barnums mermaid?
I think erick180 nailed this Thread post perfectly.
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From a shamanic perspective it's all terribly simple! Things exist, even nothing exists. All things are one, merely - as physicists are now realising many thousands of years after shamans understood this - vibrating at different frequencies ie all things have an individual spirit. I exist therefore I am the creator, the creator is me, as is the worm and the sky, because nothing is separate or can be separate. Easy! -
To voodooKobra,
I know, but it's sometimes fun to imagine the smoke bellowing from their ears (-;
I wrote an article and in the article I used the same term you did, lol.
'God' and Other Superheroes
by Mike Wasdin
I want “god’s” job. What other profession in the universe would you get all the credit and none of the blame? If something good happens, then you would get all the credit, but if something bad happens, well that was someone else’s fault. What a great job, where do I apply?
Like most people, I thought it was a great tragedy when I read about the 12 miners trapped in a coal mine. I also felt a sense of relief when the news media reported that all 12 were alive and well. I then felt a sense of horror when I learned the media was wrong and 11 of 12 were dead and one was close to death.
As the story began to unfold, I read how the family members had prayed for a miracle and then thanked “god” for answering their prayers when the media falsely reported they were alive. What I did not hear about was the family recanting their thanks when it was learned that “god” did nothing to help them.
Hey I understand, maybe “god” was playing golf or maybe he was busy answering other prayers and was overworked. Either way though, “god” still received all the credit and none of the blame for this tragedy. I wonder if the believers have ever given this any thought?
Yes, “god” does move in mysterious ways, but his followers move in even more mysterious ways; dementia, psychosis and euphoria, just to name a few. I understand why “god” gets a free pass, because he is “god,” the all powerful, all loving, all . . . everything. We cannot see “god’s” big plan, so who are we to judge?
The real question is why would an all-loving “god” let these things happen in the first place? Well of course it’s because “god” gave us free will and he does not intervene in our lives. Well if that’s the case, why pray in the first place? If “god” has no intention of intervening, what would be the purpose of prayer? Would this not be an act of futility?
I know I am applying logic and reason to an area where none exists, but this has always puzzled me. Believers pray for “god” to help them, knowing that he will not intervene in their lives, but then thank him when something good happens, because it was his will. Of course, if the prayer is not answered, that was his will also and he is not to blame.
It must be great to be a “god,” never having to answer for anything and always getting the credit. I wish the real world worked that way. I wish that I also could have a job like that, but unfortunately I live in the real world, not the fairytale one. In my world when something goes wrong that I am in charge of, all fingers point to me, and I don’t get a free pass.
When I was a kid, I liked fairytales. I used to read comics as a young child and loved imagining that there were superheroes like Superman and Batman that would come to my rescue whenever I was in trouble and save the day. As I grew older, I realized that this was just a fairytale and these superheroes (Gods) did not really exist, they were just fictional characters. As I matured and became an adult, I was amazed that most people still believed in fairytales, only now the superhero was “god.”
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sniff sniff, I smell bait.-
go wash your hands.
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rajeshmsharma: Feel free to respond to my posts at any time.
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hmmm... I've notice Poe's law works at both poles...
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rajeshmsharma has not answered any questions and is not likely to ever answer any. We know that the existence or non-existence of a god or multiple gods cannot be either proved or disproved. The post now has 314 hits and contains sweet muck all. What I don't get is why you keep on hitting on this non-discussion post and keeping it "live".
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It not me keeping the thread alive.
it this simple.
If you post something on God/ no God, no matter how absurd, now matter how uncited,unsupported....
people with extreme positions (Pro AND con) will come out to argue about it.
This has been the point of several comments other than mine.
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Start at Genesis and work your way through...either you'll believe or you won't...case settled.-
that's just one god. what about all the other gods?
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Silly me! I just assumed he was talking about that god. The method still applies with all others...start at the beginning and work your way through. In the end, you'll either believe or you won't. Free will is such a wonderful thing.
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Free will? Ha! one myth for another.
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Free will or your choice...however you want to word it. I love how politics and religion gets people's panties in a bunch. You have a choice to believe or disbelieve, agree or disagree. None of it is worth arguing over, yet people continue to do it all the time. Sad.
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Why does it have to be some mystical being?
Why can't it be purely scientific?
How else did primitive man explain science?
To define science and the laws of the universe, they had to make some type of correlation and associations with their own understanding. How else would they be able to explain these invisible forces?
Why does it have to do some divine person in the sky commanding every little thing?
Why can't it be a collective consciousness of spirits and energy working together along with the laws of the universe to make and keep things running smoothly?
Why is it impossible to think that god is everyone, that we are all a little part of the one that is god, and not have a one divine, unexplainable, indefinable SOMETHING out there - divided and separated?
Why does every little thing that we do have to be defined and approved by god?
Does he control every single aspect of my body?
Does he have to think about making my heart work, and unless I please him or unless he approves of my actions, he can decide to make it stop working?
I'd rather like to think that I have some control over my life and my destiny and that my heart won’t stop working because I made some divine god displeased with me. -
@Dukepro25
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Why can't it be a collective consciousness of spirits and energy working together along with the laws of the universe to make and keep things running smoothly?
Why is it impossible to think that god is everyone, that we are all a little part of the one that is god, and not have a one divine, unexplainable, indefinable SOMETHING out there - divided and separated?
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Those who share these beliefs above do not evangelize on forums.-
A few of the discussion spammers use the term "op"...
What or Who is an op?
The only explanation I can find is...
OP or Op may refer to: Ordo Praedicatorum , the Dominican Order; Observation post; Ocean Pacific; One Piece , a Japanese manga and anime created by Eiichiro Oda . Op art; Operator; Optimus Prime; Opus number (usually classical music) Orange Pekoe; Oratory Preparatory School; Osteoporosis; Osteitis pubis , commonly called OP in Australia; Overall Position , the grade appointed to Queensland high-school graduates; Original poster, or original post, in Internet slang specific to thread-based communication...
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lol
I'm not sure how to take that.
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Do you mean OP? It stands for "Original Poster."
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