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Hijab or Hair?
Posted by Nomadic • 7/18/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: al-sherbini, hair, hijab, Islam, oppression
I have just had a long overdue RANT about the Hijab. Come on guys, it's just an item of clothing. Let us women wear what we want to!
nomadic-wisdom.blogspot.com/2009/07/keep-your-hair-on.html
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I'm actually in the process of writing a similar post, different argument but same subject.-
Really? Great. Be good to see your argument in response. I encourage debate. Perhaps read Sabria's words in the Saudi Gazette - "I want my hijab back!"
www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200907174394...
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I generally vote for women wearing whatever they want to wear or not wear. I know several families of middle eastern origin here who allow their daughters to choose whether or not they subscribe to traditional garb or to Americanized garb - and in those families I see the daughters each making their own choices. Some chose to wear the hijabs and burqas while her sister(s) chose to dress like a plain old American.
Freedom means just that - being free to choose on your very own!-
Absolutely. And it couldn't come from anyone with a better profile pic! Thanks Anok.
PS - sorry I missed out Ninjas in the list -
Hi Anok,
I personally feel that woman should have more freedom of rights.... -
f3 - allowing a woman to choose gives her the most freedoms. Of course, I agree that in some countries there is no choice at all - and that should be changed.
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- I agree with your POV. I'm tired of the ranting over this non-issue. Where I live some women choose to wear head coverings and some don't. I don't consider what they choose to wear to be any of my business. My stand is that it's up to us women to choose and it's no one else's business what we choose.
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Thanks for leaving the comment TT. I think this IS an issue however. Time for women to say P*SS OFF, let us wear what we want - WHATEVER that is.
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lol ... I'm sorry. Of course it's an issue for some women. It just isn't an issue for me. I will not hesitate to tell anyone who tells me what to wear to p*ss off.
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You are lucky it isnt an issue for you....p*ss off is the best option
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@TT, Please wear underwear.
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Plenty of Iranian women wear only underwear under their "veil". Sexy.
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My Persian professor, Mehrdad Kia, said that his mom and many women wore nothing under theirs.
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Tis very true dcarroll. 2.bp.blogspot.com/_JysVcL3YkM0/RfGsN9Irs2I/AAAAAAAAAFw/-sYD5SK0xzs/s400/bur... is proof
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Well i don't think that there is any concern over this here in America, what with the First Amendment and whatnot. though there may be some security issues if faces can't be seen for identification purposes.
As far as simple head, and body coverings, that sort of thing is done in some christian sects here as well.-
- In the Bible we find these references to women being instructed to wear head coverings in worship 1Corinthians 11:4,5,6,7,10,13. We also find this reference to hair: 1 Corinthians 11:3-10.
I consider these passages above to be illustrative of the obsession that mean have had throughout the ages with subjugating women. For those of us women who do not live in theocracies, the choice of the length of hair to wear, and whether or not it is covered ought to be made by each individual woman, and once her choice has been made it should be respected by everyone else. -
It should be our choice to cover our head or not. However, we must live out life trying not to offend others. Also, we must not be a stumbling bock for our brothers and sisiters in Christ. We will not be able to please everyone, but fighting over little things will do no justice.
mindfulmema.blogspot.com/
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In orthodox Judaism a married woman is required to cut off all your natural hair and wear a wig for the rest of her life. As far as I know most of them do it willingly in order to conform to the traditions of their religion.-
what!?!
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Tis true, my friend! Tis true!
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and, they have to keep it shaved... so her husband can play with her scalp during... o_0
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Yep. Thats right. And don't forget Mary wore a hijab.
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your use of the Arabic word 'hijab' is rather confusing when you're referring to non-Muslims and non-Arabs.
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I was told that in the Jewish culture, the hair of a women is considered a sensual part and should only to be shown to her husband. That is why they wair wigs. I had no idea they shaved it off though.
mindfulmema.blogspot.com/
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My problem with head covering is that it in some Middle Eastern countries, such as Saudi Arabia, the burqa is required--it is not a matter of women "choosing" to want to wear one. In the U.S., it is--but the primary reason for the burqas and most of the other garb that Middle Eastern women are supposed to wear is done with the sole purpose in denigrating women to second class status. I can't imagine how women in these countries survive these little cruelties--and it is absolutely cruel to force them to wear them.
And to give you an idea of my background, I am 1/2 Egyptian and 1/2 American-- I was born in Alexandria, Egypt to an American mother and Egyptian father and lived there for the first few years of my life.
Many times, I have said, "Thank YOU" to my mother for making moving us to the U.S. so we would not have to grow up second class citizens.-
OUCH...second class? I'm egyptian
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I think she meant as a woman in Egypt. -
I agree. I'm convinced she meant that because are second class citizens in Egypt she is glad that she wasn't raised there.
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I heard a story on youtube about two christain women who where killed for not covering their heads. It was in a middle eastern country. I think that even if God spoke to every woman on earth publically and said "cover your head. It is a sin not to." If He said that, I still do not think it is our place to force it upon them. That is God's place to inflict punishment if he so pleases.
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As your username is mindfulmema, I'm thinking that you must be mindful of what follows. There is no empirical evidence that a god of any kind exists. It's strongly suspected that men invented the notion of a god for the purpose of explaining inexplicable natural events and other occurrences. It's also strongly suspected that the patriarchy used the god they invented by placing words into it's mouth aimed at subjugating and controlling women.
Surely you must be mindful of these realities.
(1) There is a complete lack of evidence that punishment of women was inflicted by any supernatural being.
(2) There is an abundance of evidence from all points in time and from all countries on the planet that human beings, most notably, men have a history of violence towards women, and that they have sanctioned their "punishment" of women by the use of religion.
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Hijab is a stupid stupid idea, I mean is a woman who believes that if a man saw her hair she's going to get burned in hell for eternity really free? damn, I live in Egypt and I have no way of knowing if a girl is pretty or not because of this annoying idea of the hijab (although I can know if she's stupid or not)
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If you read my post - you will see that the hijab means different things to different people. No one has a right to tell someone how to dress - however when we live in a culture, we adapt to what is socially acceptable sometimes. In Africa I have met many women who don't wear a top. I can't imagine for a minute that if they came to England and walked down Oxford STreet that they wouldn't cover themselves. Would they be being oppressed? Or would they be adapting to what is socially acceptable in the country they are in. The bottom line is - they should have the RIGHT to make this decision themselves.
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I read your post, and I see you have a good point, but for example is someone who can only get respect (from society or God) when she does a certain thing really free? your friend thought she was liberated by hijab but in fact it was just a way to satisfy society or some god or prophet (society in her case). I don't imagine someone wearing hijab as a free choice.
As an answer YES, the african women would be oppressed if they had to cover themselves just to satisfy the english society. just as a girl would be for wearing something to impress the guys, or a girl wearing hijab to get society and God off her back. freedom in this sense is more of a spiritual state.
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I've thought about this for a while. As christians, most of us do not cover our head. However, the bible cleary states otherwise. Many like to interpret it the way they want to.
1 Corinthians 11:5 atates: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."
Now do with that whatever u wish. Covering the head is very sexy to me. In my opinion, it shows respect, and humility to God as well as our husband. Living a holey life requires a change from within, however, what is in a man's heart shows on the outside. There must be a distinguishing mark between belivers and non-belivers. The more people want "freedom" the more they become "captive".
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Umm ... I guess you didn't notice I posted on this above. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/hijab-or-hair#comment_1036387
- The point that appears to have escaped you is that the requirement for a Christian woman to cover her head in the city of Corinth, in the timeframe depicted, was only applicable when she was in group worship.
The fact that this and the other passages led to two millenniums of Christian women feeling compelled to cover their heads when in group worship, yet again highlights the male obsession with controlling, subjugating and dictating to women, which is so characteristic of the weakling zeta males and their enablers (female sycophantic parasites), who uphold the patriarchy today.
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hijabs r stupidif a man cannot control himself at the sight of a sexy woman, i say let him cover them or gouge them out! -
Yeah, I was particularly offended by Sarkozy's comments.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/sarkozy-burqas-are-not-we_n_218920.html
Telling us what we can't wear is just as annoying as telling us we have to wear it.-
I agree with you .... arrrggghh!
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