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I filed this under shameless blog promotion, but it should really be under shameless ME promotion!
Heh.
So, OK, I went to a protest, the local news took loads of photos of me, and I got on a video, too. And it's all on my blog. So there!
Now, as for the contest - because BC went down for maintenance last night I was unable to get to see all of the submissions AND when I went back to check them I couldn't get to any of them, and couldn't remember what you had said.
SO....I went with my own slogan (that went well with the theme of the protest) but I will do something for everyone who participated, because y'all are nifty, cool, and i like you. 
So GO! Look at pictures and read about my day.
Love, Your friendly neighborhood Anarchist 
identitycheck-anok.blogspot.com/2008/05/if-you-are-wondering-where-ive-been...
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The FBI will be right over. -
Doesn't America have an equivalent to Red Watch?
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You look like you belong on a Rage Against the Machine T-shirt.-
You stole my words . Never mind
Your friendly neighbor Kashif
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Anok, you looke GREAT on "Cops"
Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
Watcha gonna do when they come for you?-
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Anok you could take those fat jokers. -
Isn't it "Bad Boys, bad boys, who you gonna call?"
(Sorry, just watched My Name is Earl with their "Cops" episode.) -
Thats a great show...
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You are a very interesting person. I don't know any anarchists, personally, so reading what you do is very intriguing. -
You have ARMS!
It's amusing to see you not in a full-head-to-toe black ninja garb-- which is how you are in my brain. -
She has ARMS???
She got a body!!!!
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Great cause, great post and interesting pictures. I'm fairly sure that if there is a Canadian equivalent to the Red Watch list then I'm probably on it. lol -
I personally found the Red Watch website a great laugh. At least fascists have a sense of humour. Unlike a few soulless lefties I can think of.
Then again, I've yet to be stabbed by a young up-n-coming fascist... -
Try Hamburg, Germany, Daniel. They were all about violence on May 1st this year.
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Nice post. I almost missed the video link, by the way. Maybe there's a better way to highlight it? Probably could just write "See the video" and link that phrase.
And now I know you're in New England, which is cool. I'm from more northerly parts, but also New England.-
Thanks for making the link more visible (or did that just happen?) I get the first link instructions now too. A little slow today, I guess.
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Sorry I dropped this thread and then didn't reply everyone...I fell asleep
We all did, we've been up since about 5 AM....we're whupped!
@Mark - I tried grabbing eh code for that video so I could post it direct, but it was a no go. The direct link they provide didn't work either
Sorry that was so confusing.
@TSR HA! I'm wondering how you envisioned all the typing I do without arms
@Daniel and TT - I have no idea if there is a red watch here. But yeah, I'm prolly on it now
AH, it was a fun day - we met some new people, did some networking...I met this cute little Anarchist chic (there were quite a few!) I'm hoping to have her guest post on my blog.-
hook me up with a hot one
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Is that her in the last pic?
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No, I didn't get a picture of her. That was a student from some "oppose the war" group that staged the die-in.
Heh KevinPB - next time you'll have to come to a protest WITH me. I'm sure there will be one in your neck of the woods soon enough! -
I'll go to a protest just so I can blog about it.
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Wait, so is that one of those things where a whole bunch of people go and pretend to die?-
a die-in?
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Yeah. Isn't that what that is? Ive always thought they were REALLY strange, but to each his own, I guess.
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I don't participate in anything that has "-in" at the end of it (except "lock in" or "stay in").
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Heh. Me neither.
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or get "stuck in".
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Yup - the deal was that Cheney (A student dressed up in a Cheney mask and reaper cloak) kills off liberty, freedom, the constitution, soldiers, and then everyone.
Then everyone lays down and pretends they are dead for a little bit.
It was a nice rest, actually
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I shall have to add boobs to doodle you
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Yes, I shall have to get boobs. No fishnets though...
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You have the boobs, doodle you doesn't yet
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Yes, doodle me needs boobs.
No wait, I mean the doodle you of me.
No.
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doodle me will do, I mean doodle you, eh? what? hmmmm
You have inspired me.
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Mr Anok has a great sign there "No War but the Class War." I'm all for opposing ruling class wars, but strike me pink, stick a fecking robe on me and call me Gandhi if I'm a pacifist! That sign "War is Death" seemed somewhat redundant.
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Yeah, well, he goes for the old standby. We aren't pacifists either, but the Rev was...and he was cool....(And, by the way, and Anarchist as I found out!)
So we respected his wishes
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I know, she's nothing that I thought she would look like..( You're way cuter than what I pictured)-
Hey, I gotta know, did everyone imagine I was a gargantuan ninja?
I'm really quite small - which is why I didn't get better shots of the pantomime theater. I'm too fe@%*ing short
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Hey Anok. Looks like fun. And you really are a babe. Nice bandanna too.-
Heehee
You called me a babe.
*blush*
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Did anyone notice the "Quitters never prosper" sign being held up by one of the nationalists across the street?
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get off yer arse you skiver! on yer bike! this war aint done until its done!
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They also called Mr. Anok a woman.
He's the tallest, biggest breastless deep voiced woman I know!
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and I think he's had more experience with war than them berks, eh?
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Just a bit
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I thought it said "Quilters never prosper". I assumed it was an indictment against the publics lack of support for home craft businesses.
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I don't know how I feel about this. I have loved ones that are deployed. They strongly feel that there is a need being filled in Iraq. Personally, I believe than any war protest shows a lack of support for our troops and a great disrespect for the hard work that they do.
Sorry, Anok. It is with the utmost respect that I disagree with what you feel you accomplished today.-
oh yeah, forget the Iraqis...
And I guess you don't know about Iraq Veterans Against the War
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And i respect your opinion.
That said, Mr Anok is an Iraq war vet, and we obviously have a very different perspective of exactly what is happening over there.
Listen to the Winter Soldier testimonies going on on the Hill right now. You may think differently. -
@Ekim There are also people fighting who believe in both the cause in Iraq and the right of people back home to exercise their right of free expression to protest the war.
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What's your point daniel, that we shouldn't have been there in the first place? Agreed. Now that we are, how about some protest saying, "Bring our troops home safely" rather than "Cheney, killing troops since 2002".
I'm glad you guys go for shock value and try to send a message in an offensive way. But sometimes you might want to consider the other people that you are offending (the families and troops). -
Mark, good point. Even those people may question the portrayal of troops dying.
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Every other sign there said bring the troops home.
I just stated the obvious - that a war criminal was invited to speak - and was honored at a ceremony.
A man who is RESPONSIBLE for the death of our soldiers.
Thats the truth, it may be shocking, but that's the truth. I'm a lot angrier at the people responsible for those deaths than I am at someone who speaks plainly, and truthfully.
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Anok is the wife of an Iraq vet. Mr Anok served in the Iraq War.
It's quite clear that the protesters wanted to bring US troops home safely, and opposed Cheney for not only killing men, women and children in Iraq but also the young men sent over from America.
And being a 10 yr old getting shot and being a 25 yr old foreign soldier getting shot is a kind of different thing. No? -
@Ekim: You mean the fake graves? I could see that rubbing people the wrong way. Hell, I'm not normally superstitious, but I knock on wood whenever I mention hypothetical deaths. Or are you talking about respect? Still, even that is free expression.
One of the things that strikes me about the pro-war and anti-war debate is how patriotic both sides are and how much both sides want things to go well for the people on the ground, soldier and civilian alike. -
Mr. Anok made it home safely, I have close friends that did not. I see the pain they feel when they are reminded of the death of US soldiers in Iraq.
Staging a "Die-in" with the grim reaper killing US soldiers is not a pleasant depiction of the way these people died. They are hardly depicted as heroes in this manner. -
What's heroic about getting sent off to a war on false pretenses and getting shot somewhere in a desert or a slum so rich Texas arseholes get to be richer? Just sayin'.
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Daniel, that's the most absurd thing I have ever read on the internet.
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Actually, the die-in showed the grim reaper killing off freedom, liberty and the constitution first - then killing off a soldier who came home and was in need of care.
Which is exactly what our government has done.
Mr Anok made it home - but safely? In one piece?
Not quite.
Do you think he has received the care he needs? Medically? Psychologically? treatment for DU exposure?
No, he hasn't. Why? because our administration doesn't give a rat's behind about our soldiers.
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ekim, that's your definition of heroic? Sad, yes. Heroic, no. Terrible, yes. Heroic, no.
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@Daniel: How we choose to remember the dead in war is a difficult issue. I have a hard time with the word "hero" myself, but for intellectual reasons that are completely beside the point. Ekim's reaction reminds me of just how difficult Memorial Day will be for many Americans. Makes me wonder about the gap in this country. Some will not give a moment's thought to the holiday's purpose and instead enjoy a long weekend, but some will be in deep mourning. There are other possibilities too, of course. I think Anok's words and actions suggest one of these. Dunno where I stand myself. I just want people to think about who the holiday is honoring. www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/memorial-day-in-the-us
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Could be worse Anok. Imagine going to his funeral only to see that some anti war protesters took that to be an opportunity to be heard.
This happened to my friend. Her brother was killed in Iraq and the news media hounded her family for 2 weeks before th funeral. The protesters wanted to jump on the media coverage with absolutely no respect for the family. -
@Ekim: That sucks. Just thoughtless. Anok, though, was outside a commencement ceremony.
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Daniel, for the families, I'm sure that they would rather view their fallen loved ones as heroes rather than some fool that died for oil.
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Mark, I really don't approve of the portrayal of the grim reaper killing a soldier no matter where it is held.
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@Ekim: Thanks for your honest attempt to deal with this issue and explain your viewpoint in a civil, but passionate manner.
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I hope that the soldiers who die in Iraq are remembered and mourned. They were martyrs.
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Mark, I have a great respect for you, anok and daniel. I may be totally agreeing with you if I hadn't had such a personal experience in dealing with the pain of losing loved ones in the war.
My only concern is that, in my opinion, this protest was not very thoughtful towards the feelings of the surviving families. -
Hey ekim, I think you have a good point about the die-in. Intentions were no doubt good but I can see how it could offend people.
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Mike, the only protests of funerals I have heard of are the Westborough Baptist church protests, and it has nothing to do with the war - but rather their interpretation of God's punishment for homosexuality.
Which is not just disrespectful, but also insane.
I haven't met a single war protester for peace that goes to a funeral to protest. In fact the whole protest was silent in honor of the fallen.
Many of us in the group today have done MORE to help the soldiers overseas, and here, then the nationalists-so-called-patriots and our government combined. From care packages to messages of support, to help when they get home, help finding jobs, getting treatment, fighting for proper vet's rights...
We've been doing all of that, but part of fighting for them is making sure the people responsible for their current situation are being held responsible, which they aren't.
And until they are, we won't stop. Shocking isn't disrespectful. Shocking is what we've let our country get away with - with our OWN soldiers. Disrespectful is allowing it to happen without saying a word.
However, no one is saying that the troops, the soldiers are stupid for dying for oil. We are saying that our government is killing them for oil.
Big difference, and one that I am very angry about.
I should add, Mike, that I respect you as well. But I am also very angry about what's happening here. -
Anok, I applaud your cause, your efforts and your passion.
My opinion is that the protest imagery is insensitive for those that are grieving the loss of their family members.
I think it could have been done just as effectively but with a little more compassion for the families.
My greater concern is that you are fighting for a good cause using tactics that may make people not want to hear your message. Images like these are what make grieving family members turn a deaf ear. -
I agree, I have a son and daughter both giving their lives as Marines to preserve this nation and the rights of people. (like Anok and myself to have free speech) But when they see things like this it's laughable. I agree that this war is stupid, so do they, but they do not disrespect the leaders of their country no matter how much they dislike them personally. If all that wasted time and energy could be aimed in the right direction...say entering politics, working for someone who will change things that would be one thing, but a grim reaper pantomime isn't going to do it and thinking it will is nieve.
Secondly, I’m not sure that the label “Anarchist” is at all correct. According to Webster’s dictionary it is ….
1) A person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power.
2) a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy:
especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established
order.
It is my personal feeling that if you don’t like this country and it’s democracy which was purchased in blood….maybe you should leave and try someplace like …say…some nice little village (or what’s left of it) in Africa. After all that’s where true anarchy reigns, but you couldn’t do that now could you……..you might die for real!
Also, a real anarchist, or mass of anarchists would’ve jump the fence, been armed with weapons and tried to shoot and bomb their way in to overthrow the established order…..oh right, again, they couldn’t do that….they might die for real. Like my son or daughter who have put their lives where there mouths are.
You got 2 minutes airtime in a society that will watch Paris Hilton or Flavor of Love for hours, so I’m not sure how much headway that will make.
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@coveredwithlove- You raised some good points. However, saying that this is laughable is the opposite of what I am saying. I don't see the families of fallen soldiers laughing at images that portray their loss in a satirical way.
I like Anok and appreciate her passion and respect her beliefs. This time I think that she was reaching for shocking and touched on insensitive but I wouldn't call her efforts "laughable". -
Mike, I think that the fact that it got the reaction it did (at the protest, as well as here) shows that it IS working. The Nationalists across the street had something clever to say about everything - but that. The numbers are disturbing, the truth is disturbing. But uncompassionate? Nah there wasn't anyone there not on our side of the street that even had a loved one in the military or even remotely risking their lives. They celebrate war, but they have nothing to lose. (keeping in mind the cadets and families couldn't see us, either)
We had Iraq war vets, Vietnam vets, vets for peace and folks with loved ones over there, right now.
The truth is hard to hear, I understand that - but not everyone who has lost, or stands to lose someone dear feels the way you do. (about the imagery).
I feel it IS working, so do many others who have joined in teh protests and marches.
@Coverdedwith love.
Get a clue, sweetie. I'm sorry you have loved ones over there, I hope they won't get shit on, like my husband did by OUR GOVERNMENT.
And yeah, I am an Anarchist.
Try reading my blog once in a while, you might learn something.
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@Anok
FWIW there are anarchists in Canada. I happen to know at least one ...lol
This is what some of us are involved in here.
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Well then perhaps I know at least one Anarchist in Canada, if I ever need to erm, take a vacation
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congrats,my family only normally makes Crime Watch but it saves on baby sitters if I can just watch them on tv-
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Too funny!
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"Meanwhile, members of Gathering of Eagles, a pro-military organization, will stand outside the Academy entrance to welcome the families of the graduates, said Jim Bancroft, the organization’s Connecticut coordinator."
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Ohhhhhh I was hoping you'd gone on a shooting spree! Bloody anarchists can't do nothing right.-
We just never do what we are told
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Hahahahaha! I love it!
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I'm just glad you got back safe, buddy. I know you were excited to go, but I always worry about you when the potential for dangerous confrontation exists.
I think the point that everyone here should be proud of is that we have a blogger amongst us that we all know and love who is absolutely fearless about standing up for what she believes in. Whether anyone agress with her or not matters little. It's the passion, the devotion - the indominable human spirit. For me it's impossible not to be awed.-
I think the main story here should be the lack of nudity on this supposed "Anarchist" site I have read your blog a few times now and sadly I must report a total lack of full frontal nudity. Yeah it has in depth reporting blah blah blah, yeah it has interesting non conventional view points yada yada yada. But as a concerned member of the international blogging community I feel I must ask WHERE IS THE FULL FRONTAL NUDITY?????
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Haha Anin, Anok showed me her boobs. I guess she likes me better
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Well I hesitate to use the word slut...but I think in this context it is fully justified. I have read through all her posts about .....you know all that political.... stuff..about how....stuff happens ...and stuff and didn't get to see one nipple! Not one!
I think it's post colonial racism, she don't wanna show me because I'm English and it's somehow an "insult" to her revolutionary heritage! -
Maybe she just wants to keep her boobage on US soil
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Bloody yanks!!! You want it all!!! All I tell ya!!!! All!!!!
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Thanks Kdawg...you so know how to a woo a girl
Anin - Naughty! you get no boobies! Heh.
Besides I had to do something for Mike to make up after our fight
Articulates - just so I'm sure, you agree with Kdawg, or that we need more nude Anarchists on my site? -
Racist!!!
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If it's ok with you guys, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the mess I just made.
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I thought that tank top was pretty revealing - for me....
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Ekim941
Well the ninja sword of free speech slices both ways. It's like a story I saw on CNN tonight, a group of students shouting down a guy so he couldn't be heard. They belonged to a free speech movement, how ludicrous is that. As far as Anok, or anyone else for that matter, She has a right to say whatever she likes, including a real attack. I'm up for a fight, I relish it...and I do it without a mask.-
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That's nice sweety. How many death threats do you get for standing u for what you believe in?
Coz I have about 400 pages worth. I wear a mask for a reason.
Oh, and, I'm sorry, what is it you stand up for again? What do you do?
When was the last time you went to a Vet's rights march, raised money to send care packages to someone OTHER than your family members who serve? WHen was the last time you volunteered to help Vets returning find jobs, and homes? Get tested and learn about DU exposure?
How much awareness do you raise to help the soldiers?
When you convince me you've done as much - and given as much as me and my family have I might listen.
Until then, try to be silent, and learn something.
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Anok, I am a Canadian who applauds your demonstration. Sometimes it takes, as some would classify as, "shock value".
It gets peoples attention, gets talk going-
Thank you
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Is it important to be loved in a blog? And the words "Indomitable human spirit, and awe inspiring" Should be saved for firemen who go back into flaming buildings to save the baby. It seems very lofty language in this case. I wish to ask Anok if you want to truly overthrow the establishment (as real anarchists do) What is your plan, how will you incorporate it and what is the goal.-
What the hell do you know about Anarchy other than a dictionary definition?
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Can only firemen and other establishment approved heroes be good people? Anok is doing her bit and that's a damn sight more than a lot of other people, who are happy to go along with the status quo and meekly clap the people you are told to.
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I'm very careful about dishing out respect. I come from a military family.
I also deeply respect Anok. I'm not a protestor myself, nor am I a code-pink fan or anything like that. I do know Anok well enough to be certain when I say she has an indominable spirit, and regardless of whether I agree with her or not, I have no problem whatsoever paying tribute to her character.
In this particular case my own sentiments probably more closely mirror Ekims - but I know how much this means to Anok and I love her deeply - even the parts of her I may not agree with. They are all part of the grand sum that is Anok - and she's a very special person - someone I'll always be proud to call "friend."
Isn't it Voltaire that's misquoted as saying "I disagree with what you say, but shall defend with my life your right to say it"? I think that's basically the gist of what I"m getting at.
I think once you get to know her (Anok) better, you'll see what I mean.
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I wonder if the Americans posting here are aware of how many of the severely wounded and psychologically mucked up vets from the war in Viet Nam came to Canada and received the medical treatment they couldn't get in the USA. They stayed. We brought their families up to live with them ant they will never return.
I'm also wondering if there is an awareness of how many American resistors with PTSD from the war in Iraq are currently living here in Canada with their families now. There are many in hiding and we will never give them up to authorities. We will always feed, shelter, house, clothe, find them work and see to it that their medical needs are met.
I know some of those who served in Iraq personally. I know their wives and kids too. I have heard their stories. Their stories have been broadcast here in Canada. Remarkably, their stories, their ongoing un-addressed medical and psychological problems don't even make it on the news in the USA.
IMO firemen who save people from burning buildings and other individuals who undertake acts of bravery are heroes. IMO those who died in the war in Iraq ought to be remembered and mourned like Daniel said, as martyrs.-
There are many war vets here too, who have stayed loyal to there country. They have missing limbs, PTSD and many other conditions and they are receiving the help they need. We too feed, shelter, house, clothe, find work or provide disability for those in need. (provided by that overbearing democracy which apparently needs to be overthrown) The forgoing post only applies to a small portion of the whole.
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I think that we should give the families the respect to remember their departed loved ones as heroes if it helps to ease their suffering.
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Thank you TT for bringing that up.
No Covered, people who don't stay here when they can't get the help they need aren't "not being loyal to their country"
When they can't - and don't - get the care they need our country isn't being loyal to THEM.
Our officials in office are playing games with other people's lives, if they get a lead from the front initiative I'll actually listen. But not until that point - they have NOTHING to risk, they give up nothing.
Oh, I'm sorry, Bush begrudgingly gave up golf to show how much he cared for mourning families and struggling vets. *snort*
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My son is ready to die and so are his buddies and my daughter, but they say heroes, not martyrs.
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What are they willing to die for?
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Anok, I don't really view this as a fight with you. I'm just not the kind of guy that will sit back and say "oh I agree", if I don't agree.
I still think you are great and applaud you for speaking your mind.-
I know you won't - that's why I like ya
We disagree - I'm still on a protest high - you want boobies (oh, wait, that's Anin ) - that's cool.
But you also know (or should by now - ugh! Damn men!) that when I am REALLY passionate about something, I pull no punches I get mighty harsh.
Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to keep my mouth shut today? ME? HA! -
That's why I'm a huge Anok fan.
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Yeah boob possibility!!!! That's why I love Americans it's that can do attitude!
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Can do can sometimes get you into deep doo, you know
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Why keep it shut?
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Because it was a SILENT protest. It helps to read the post in question, prior to commenting on it.
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Blogs are for debate, and I'd like to get an answer to those questions.
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This isn't a blog, and what questions exactly can I answer in snippets here, that I haven't already addressed extensively on my blog?
try reading it.
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By the way Anok, I'm with you on the whole Bush thing....he's a snake and they don't get any worse than Chenney.
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Good, we agree on something! It's always good to hear
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timetheif
Martyr
1: a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion.
2: a person who sacrifices (again voluntarily) something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
That principle would be to honor and protect their country, so in that form to be martyred would not connotate negativity. Aren’t the anarchists willing to die for their cause….would that be negative?
Lets be sure what we are saying. No one was drafted here. No one was beaten and thrown into the back of a truck to awake on a ship bound for Iraq.
Yes, all this re-deployment sucks and is unfair, but when you freely “Join” the military you know that this is a possibility.
The viet-nam war is a separate issue where they didn’t have the choice. I am speaking only of current events.-
The use of the word "Hero" is the debate and its meaning was redefined after the events of 9/11. Hero is no longer a word that is tossed out loosely.
A person that will put their life in harms way to protect others should qualify as a hero. The soldiers put their lives on the line to protect each other. Some of them make the ultimate sacrifice. I consider that heroic. -
1/Like the Iraqi people suffering an illegal invasion?
2/Maybe like a Palestinian kid facing tanks with stones?
Sure American people weren't drafted and "thrown into the back of a truck" but your whole bogus war of aggression was based on throwing people into the backs of trucks, sometimes right of European streets. So don't play the aggrieved innocent martyr card. -
Unless you are talking about soldiers who joined the military after the war had begun - then the situation is indeed similar to that of Vietnam, other than a forceful draft.
The men and women who signed up to defend the US had no idea they would be used by the government maliciously and for the profit of a few.
They are now in a position to either stay, and be forced into a war they do not support and/or that will cost them far more than they are willing to give for oil, money, and international control - or they pay the consequences.
Either way you dice it, they are in a shit position, that they DIDN'T volunteer for.
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Whether heros or martyrs or whatever else you want to call it, these men and women have paid the ultimate price and deserve our respect. I have no doubt of the sincerity of CoveredWithLove and Anok. Each is trying to show respect and do good in her own way.
Meanwhile, if you can spare a moment from arguing about what to call the dead, maybe you could spare them some thought on Memorial Day.-
What Mark is trying to say is...GO comment on his thread!!!!!
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Exactly. Been trying all week. So far it's had more attention from non-Americans. Go figure.
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anin:
I agree, it was a stupid act of aggression for oil and I think all Americans know that by now. I wasn't the one who played the martyr card, that was timethief, I was giving the true definition which he was using incorrectly.-
Sorry I thought you were taking the whole "My country is never wrong" line that seems to be prevalent in the US at the moment. I applaud you for taking a world view and urge you to see Anok's point because I truly think that it's the future your country should be looking to. The state
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