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IRAN NEEDS NO SAVIOURS
Posted by krishnakk • 6/29/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: blog, foolish, freedom, iran
Assuming that Iran needs to be freed from whatever a section of bloggers think is not necessary for that country is nothing but foolishness.
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What do you think is the best course for outsiders as well as Iranians to take in the present situation?-
assassinate ahmedinizad ; Kidding. -
i think we are not, at least i am not, privy to any exclusive information on what's going on in iran. what i suggest is that we should leave the country and its people to decide its fate. there's no point in stating that the country is imprisoned and needed to be freed.
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@ marketborn why joke about it, I think he should be tied to 2 wild horses and left to be torn apart just for the sanctioned executions that goes on in Iran.
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Sounds fair to me.
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tks
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And if you are genuinely interested in leaving the thing to Iranians stop discussing it in forums. Just stay out of their problem.
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as long as there exists a forum to unite bloggers to "free" iran, i think there is a necessity to offer a counter point of view.
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I don't think discussing it is the same as interfering. It's good for everyone to talk about it at least.
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I don't see the loser in the election is being much different in that he was a sanctioned candidate by the religious elites and as such would still be working within the theocratic framework set by the mullahs. So what would be different if he won? Not like he would be so moderate as to become a US puppet or that friendly, he would still be under the thumb of the mullahs.
I however don't see that there is anything wrong with the world community expressing its opinion when it comes to human rights, and the efforts of people in their own countries to establish those rights, and the political will of the people.
what concerns me is the demands of some that we either interfere or escalate a rhetoric which serves no purpose except to be used by their dictator to rally the people against a common enemy. I just find this concern for Iranians rights suspect, and politically motivated. Where was the concern when the USA supplied IRaq with weapons and the means to gas the Iranians during the iran iraq war?-
thats a valid assessment
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You mean to say that we let the slaughter continue? .-
You mean WE have the power to stop the slaughter? Or is our interest in trying to stop the slaughter confined to only those in countries that have much coveted resources. don't see the same collective partisan angst in trying to stop the slaughter in say Dafur for instance.
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Cheers to the brave Iranian people seeking a more just and free society.-
Cheers to all brave people who fight for their rights, or struggle against the brutality inflicted by wars of choice and despotic regimes.
www.amnesty.org/
www.hrw.org/
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Iran will save itself. The regime has proven itself to be bankrupt. See here:
www.whirledpeas.eu/2009/06/29/irans-ceausescu-moment/-
ok
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outside interventions have not helped anyone in any part of the world.
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interesting
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@greencurmudgeon
Wow! I read your post and it was truly impressive. I feel inclined to quote parts of it in an upcoming post Bloggers Unite of my own. The democracy promised has turned out to be a fraud. The struggle for actual democracy to replace this bankrupt regime is bound to be a long one. -
oops! wrong spot - moved down
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@krishnakk, outside intervention helped overthrow the South African apartheid regime. -
Maybe "outside pressure" would be a better term.
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BloggersUnite for a Free Iran provides a way for people who feel the situation in Iran is unfair by allowing articles to be written to bring awareness to the Iranian people and the unjust treatment they are experiencing.
Obviously, I can't directly impact anything going on in Iran but what is wrong with voicing my frustration with the treatment of innocent people by the Iranian government? I think the more people who know about this situation, the more eyes will be on Iran applying pressure on the Iranian government to act in a civilized way.-
@Tforch
I agree with you. The regime needs to hear that the world is watching their duplicity and condemning their despicable acts of killing peaceful dissenters. The peaceful dissenters need to hear our encouragement and support for civilized governance for Iranians. -
theocracies all over the world have their own logic which others can never comprehend. even if the present regime falls and another is propped up, can we say "the innocent people" of iran will benefit from it?
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The title on this thread is: Iran needs no saviors.
It's and interesting choice to make as I see nothing in the media with regard to any other nation or coalition of nations who are presenting themselves as saviors.
theocracies all over the world have their own logic which others can never comprehend
Rubbish! The only logic that one finds in any theocracy is a regime that is focused on the retention of power and control at all costs. Based on history we can clearly comprehend that the costs are the loss or human liberties, human lives, and environmental destruction.
All theocracies are paternalistic and deeply rooted in fear and misogyny that pervade the minds of weak men, who cannot and will not tolerate dissent. If you wish to uphold the cowardly and control obsessed theocracies that cause misery the world over that's your prerogative. My prerogative is to share my own opinion and that is that theocracies, paternalism and misogyny are a cancer on this planet that cause human suffering and environmental destruction. -
Tforch..you are a true visionary!! haha thats not biased or anything...but on a serious note. In a time when the Iranian's freedom of speech is being hindered, it is important for others WITH these freedoms to speak out for them! Our voices may be silenced or never even heard...but if you never try you'll never know what could have been! Keep the posts coming!!
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When you cheer someone on as they run marathon I am sure the person running appreciates the support. The supporters are not running the marathon for the person though are they.-
even marathons have rules and regulations.
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People can and will cheer from the sidelines.
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cheer leaders are bound by rules
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Why does it bother you so much?
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@krishnakk
cheer leaders are bound by rules
And donkeys can do nothing but bray the same old same old call. But what relevance do either your statement or my retort have with regard to the Iranian situation?
If you actually have something meaningful to say on this issue, then IMO now is the time to do that.
Last week several members have made it abundantly clear that your forum posts, and penchant for posting multiple threads that lack any substantive content aside from biased one liners in the OP were annoying. They reported them and deletions took place. This week I stand with them.
Advice: If you wish to have me enter a discussion with you in the threads you post then please produce threads that do have unbiased substance in the OP, and phrase what you say in a manner that does encourage discussion.
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ok i changed my mind i am removing my comment :)TT says it all.
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debates can produce many facets of a problem. do not insist that there is only one way to it.
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Some of us happen to agree with a lot of the points the OP has made. I don't find his position untenable or entirely unreasonable. Personally, I agree with much of what Jafa said. Righteous indignation gets you nowhere, especially when full disclosure of the facts are as yet unknown. If Iran is a politically bankrupt nation as GC suggests, it will eventually collapse of its own accord. The Iranian people will determine their own fate. I also agree with all those who feel it is their right to protest what they perceive as grave injustices being committed. But they should also consider their perceptions may not be based entirely on the reality of the situation.
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tks
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very true
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may be
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even iranians are fed up of such discussions, it seems
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and the struggle goes on
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Are you Iranian?
Are you over there?
Have you asked ANY Iranians how they feel about the support?
Or... on the other foot - are you ANTI-Iranian?
And you feel the Iranians should have NO support?
I see bloggers as showing the world that there are things WRONG as a GOOD thing...
And uniting the world - IS IMPORTANT.
We are all on this big blue marble that is hurtling towards destruction at our OWN hands.
We need to come together and learn peace.
Whether you like it OR not.
So what is your real reason for saying that bloggers shouldn't bring awareness to the world about the conditions in Iran?
I see NO harm.
And if it helps just ONE person - what could it possibly do that is wrong?
People plan on Cheering.
People plan on standing up and stating their opinions... What could POSSIBLY be wrong with that?
Or are you fundamentally against people being honest - and speaking out against atrocities?
Are you for censorship?
What is YOUR stand?
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all your statements are premised on unsubstantiated arguments. why do you think iran needs "freedom."
and what type of freedom?
as i have mentioned earlier, can just a regime change bring "peace" in iran?
why bloggers have to be so much possessed about iran's perceived progress? -
what happened to save iran forum?
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It was probably made "unsticky," that is, it no longer sticks to the top, but behaves like any other thread. You probably just have to dig down through the pages to find it, or use the search feature.
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oh?
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It was a one day event and it was last Monday.
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how was it?
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now nobody is bothered about iran?
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why nobody is talking about Iran now?
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has anyone noticed that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad looks like a retarded pedophile?
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