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Is Christmas All A Lie ?
Posted by ethanre • 1/08/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: christmas, pagan, solstice
I think that xmas is a lie, its a sham, the christian christmas falls on the wrong date and was created to mask over the pagan traditions. further, today's christmases are another mutation that is purely about consumerism, buy buy buy -
read more + evidence that xmas is nothing but a christian way to overtake a pagan holiday www.wholenessblog.com/religions-atheism/christmas-is-a-lie-find-out-what-th...
What do you think, is christmas a lie?
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Eh, I don't care. It's an enjoyable celebration of __________.-
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Yep. Whatever it is that we're supposed to celebrate, I don't care. My family gets together for a nice dinner, there's a big pile of presents and we have a lot of fun.
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Your family sounds nice.
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Yeah, I love Christmas, however I'm not a religious guy -
Nor am I.
The bigger family reunions are a bit awkward, though.
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Christmas is what you choose to make it. End of story. -
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epic fail!
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Fission mailed?
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*sigh* Another sh*t-disturber who can't find the religious groups? -
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so u all agree, it is what we make it to be? like anything else in life..
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who cares who started christmas, or when it is, or whatever??? it isn't even about that boring stuff anyways. it's about being with family, and for one day of the year, not itching to kill each other. much. -
It is a great celebration and I still believe in Santa. -
Look kid, even Christ Himself used pagan gods and ideas for sheer punniness in the story of the rich man and Lazarus ("Tormented in Hades" - Luke 16: 23) There is nothing unchristian about allowing a few former pagans to keep a festival - just so long as it is not in service of their erstwhile "gods" but for them and their family. Just as to worship God means more then to simply keep Easter, to be an idolater means far more then simply keeping a pagan festival.
This is the kind of the stuff that makes me want to burn church buildings, watch Southpark and talk in movie theaters. -
Yes it is a lie. Satan Claws doesn't exist.-
And the Easter Bunny wants to EAT YOUR CHILDREN!!! CHILLLLLDRREEENNNN!!!!!
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Yes, the Easter Bunny is evil! Evil! Don't go hunting for them Easter eggs, kids, cos the Evil Bunny will be waiting for you when you stray too far...
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And then, gobble gobble gobble, down the hatch never to be seen again. And what's worst, if the Easter Bunny eats you, no one remembers you existed, and you become little eggs given to all the children with candy inside, forgotten forever. And ever. And ever.
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LOL.
Hmm, Easter eggs filled with the remains of little children, that'll end up in the bellies of other children, who'll end up in the Evil Bunny's belly.
Now that's a good way to break it to the kids.-
The Silence of the Children!
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I'm non-religious, but I like Christmas. It's more about the feeling than a religious celebration.
And there's no need to spend yourself into bankruptcy to enjoy it. -
Who cares? The idea of christmas is a good one and the timing and covering of a pagan holiday don't really conflict with that. The problem with chrismas is that there are too few christians living by their god's will-
Yeah really. Is create needless division and animosity among members of a community for no just cause really within God's will.
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"within God's will"
But don't these words at the end of your comment also create division and animosity among members? -
Difference. We're having a religious discussion. "To every season, turn turn turn..."
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regardless of religious history being a little upside down, Christmas is what we turn it into, and I like to see it as a time of great kindness and an expression of the Spirit of Love, the rest of it is only academic. It's a matter of taking something and squeezing out what goodness is in it and using it for he better. Jesus was very Buddhist-
Indeed it does appear that way doesn't it. He spent 3 years teaching his followers:
* dana = authentic generosity (charitable giving of the self and sharing of possessions, donation)
* metta = selfless love and good will toward all beings (loving kindness)
* karuna = compassion (respect, acceptance, forgiveness)
* mudita = altruistic joy filled with peace and contentment (appreciative joy at the success and good fortune of others)
* sila = abstaining from physical and vocal actions that cause harm to oneself and others
* uppekka = equanimity (an inclusive state of open mind free of attachment, aversion, bigotry, craving, ignorance and intolerance)
Winter Solstice is a magical season of celebration that marks the journey from this year to the next, journeys of the spirit from one world to the next, and the magic of birth, death, and rebirth. -
@AG: Except that Christ did not believe that blissful ignorance and destruction of the self were how you attained these. Indeed, those with "no root in themselves" are truly lost, and will only endure for a short time, as Christ points out in the parable of the seeds, while the parable of the salt may well be a direct attack on the very basic principles of Buddhism and a complacent life.
He also taught brutal honesty and principle, and a certain measure of personal strength (taught mainly through the Old Testament, which he advocates for these purposes) that would seem very counterproductive to a Buddhist. Christianity's a tougher critter. -
@jeremyjansen
IMO you have misrepresented Buddhism but I do not wish to discuss this subject matter with you.
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@Jeremny: the underlying principles are the same, and I'd rather see where there is unity than anything else
compassion, kindness, non violence etc
there are texts that say say that Jesus spent time in Tibet, India and other parts of the world
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@AG: I actually see the Hindu more then the Buddhist. I've even quoted the Bhagavad Gita when speaking to my friends about various aspects of Christian theology. It is possible I misunderstand Buddhism, but that was always the impression I got from the Buddhists I knew and from the reading of Buddhism I've done. Open-minded, yes, but not the people you wanted to go to for any kind of action or significant accomplishment.
I understand what you're saying about "similarities instead of differences" but that particular difference I feel is very important. -
* sila = abstaining from physical and vocal actions that cause harm to oneself and others
Well the only way one can attain nirvana and escape the cycle of birth and rebirth according to Buddhism is through meditation and penance which kind of clashes with the above point.
If you don't know what I'm talking about read the 8-fold path laid out by Gautama Buddha. -
I too have found the teachings of Buddha and Jesus very similar, and have read the accounts that Jesus's "lost years" were spent in the Himalayas. As Buddha lived 500 years before Jesus, it would seem conceivable that Jesus was spreading Buddha's message.
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@NT77: Oh okay so Paul just miraculously transported himself down to Ethiopia and we never heard about it huh? As for "spreading Buddha's message" I doubt that. I really do. I think that's people wanting to spread lies to comfort each other. For starters, Chrstianity individualistic while Buddhism's collectivist, and the goal of Christianity is eternal life, not ending life. Also, Christianity contains NO emphasis on meditation but instead on being open to the world around you. That makes a ton of difference.
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@NT77: Also, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword..." Not very buddhist is he? Sorry.
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I think we've already covered this Christianity discussion in another thread. I see no point in starting it anew here. Neither of us is going to change our mind, and no one else is interested.
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@TT: That's nice. And you messed with Texas. Look, I'm not going to say to you what you want to hear. This is what I've found. I don't find Buddhism loving. I'm sorry.
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the Buddhists I have met are generally more understanding and open minded than Christians, and I am in no way criticizing Christians at all, my son has just spent three days on a Christian camp. Where I live we have many of both faiths and my children play very nicely with both. The principles of these faiths are very good and are worthwhile things to have in our lives. To not see the virtue which underlies various faith only implies a blindspot in thinking.
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"I am in no way criticizing Christians at all" Actually you were but that's okay. Beyond that:
If we go any further though, this thread will be hijacked. Do you want me to make a new thread? Or are you as tired right now as I am? I talked dirty, so it's my duty to give you the time of day if you ask for it. -
Jerry, if you really make up your mind, then nothing, I repeat nothing can be spared of fault finding and criticism
Although I have respect for your intelligence, I fail to understand your "I am right and you are wrong" attitude -
Jeremy, I have to agree with Crazy Tsu. Is it Christisn to always be so argumentive and closed-minded to other views?
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@NT77: Is it buddhist to be so patronizing and manipulative? Look, what AG did is a form of lying. Why do you consider it good? I don't object to fault-finding and criticism - I do object to a liar. Honestly, I don't understand why YOU object to fault-finding and criticism - that sounds far more to me like someone who's intolerant.
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@NT77: We do believe in avoiding unnecesary fights, but we do not believe in avoiding neccesary ones or being a manipulative manpleaser like AcousticGuitarist. "Our Lord is a man of war" (Exodus) and if you can't take the heat, well you betta get the HELL OUTTA HELL!!!!!
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@jeremyjanson
Jeremy, relax. I said I agree with Crazy Tsu; I didn't say anything about acousticguitarist's comment.
Tsu accused you of having an "I am right and you are wrong" attitude. I agreed, and referred to it as being argumentive and closed-minded to other views. By this I mean that you are so quick to attack other's statements and prove them wrong, that you often fail to evaluate them properly. I mean this in general concerning you, not just this thread. Also, I'm not the only one to note this.
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I'm always entertained when people "uncover" evidence that Christian holidays were planned around pagan holidays. I suppose it's possible that someone at some point in history might have denied that, but I'm not sure who it was or when. The Church as quite forthright about aligning festivities in such as way as to allow continuation of culturally accepted and expected celebrations when those decisions were implemented and is quite forthright about those roots today. -
it's a chance to get together, party, eat and be merry, and give/receive gifts. nothin wrong with that.
yule, kwanza, christmas, and chanuka are all fun festive days to get together and enjoy existence. so what if the christers stole the idea from pagans? it's in the past, we're away from that now. i think here should be multiple christmases...one for each supposed day of Jesus' birth. now that'd be fun. -
for me christmas is more of a heart-warming season of winter than anything else that I correlate with Christ. It's time to be with family and friends, gestures of goodwill. I could be really cynical about it because my grandmother died on Christmas morning - but I choose to embrace it and start playing my christmas carols in november, tree up by thanksgiving and wait for the first snowfall. and will readily admit that by december 26th, that damn tree is coming down and metallica replaces jingle bells. =) -
what's really wrong with consumerism?-
it is a problem when you havent money.
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What is the problem, the reality is that christmas is twenty four night and thats all, if the church use a pagan party who cares, it is christmas now after many centruries and thats all.
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Hey! chill out dude. Christmas is something you can either opt-in/ opt out of. From a retailers point of view, some 40% of turnover is conducted over the christmas period so it's always going to be over hyped, that's to be expected. But the spirit of christmas is in the past. If you ask a child the first thing that comes to mind when they think of christmas - the majority will say presents so the religious connection runs a distant second. So I say if you're mad for it, go with it. But if you want to opt of christmas just turn the tv off, close your curtains, divert your calls to answerphone and chill out -
I have very little family so usually after a quick Christmas dinner, I go to a friend's house and we all get drunk and watch the sun rise.
This year Im planning to flee, i going on vacation around christmas/new years-
sound's like a good idea to me - off to anywhere hot & sunny?
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I was thinking rio de janeiro
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You should go back for 2016. Olympics + Carnivale = most party ever. -
We'll form a Congo line with all the Olympic track runners! CHACHACHA HEY!!!
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I don't know if Xmas is a lie...but it sure gets stressful around then. -
The story of Christmas is most definitely a lie. DUH...why is it that in generaly people can be so logical then they go an beleive any bit of mythical BS handed to them with a bow?
Other than that..I agree...who cares. As long as you don't make me go to church, I'll do your Christmas...the songs annoy the crap out of me, but the company and food and gifts are nice. Traditions are important.-
i think you need to use spell check. or learn better grammar, but i'm betting you didn't mean to say generaly. and there need to be spaces after infinity (...). and i comes before e. wow. i can't believe i just edited your comment. i must be really f***ing bored.
And how do you know christmas is a lie? were you there? did you talk to someone who was? no. because all of that stuff happened hundreds of years ago! what's so bad about people having faith? it makes more sense then anything else in this world. as far out as it is, i'd rather believe that a higher being created us for a purpose, then believe that a star exploded, and we just appeared on accident, no reason why. I don't like to feel insignificant. Then again, i also wish on shooting stars, and read fantasy books, and am waiting ever so impatiently for my prince charming, so what the hell do i know? it bugs the shit out of me when people not only completely discard the *idea* of a god, but they have to put down the people who do believe. it's rude, and i hate it.
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BTW, I have to say that the very title makes me laugh. IT'S A LIEEEE!!!!! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! SOMEBODY TOOK MY BIRTHDAY AWAY!
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LOL. Your Birthday is a lie!
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It think there is something for everyone with Christmas. Whether it is on the correct date for whatever reason, Christians celebrate the birth of their Savior on that date.
For non-Christians or Atheists it can be a day of celebrating the gift of giving to those you love.
Consumerism? yes, but Christmas is what you make of it. If you make it all about consumerism, then yes that is what it will be.
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I'm going home for Christmas to see my family again! It's just the way how you believe in it but Christmas is always Christmas! peace to all mankind!
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