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Is Karma Fate?
Posted by footiam • 3/15/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: fate, karma
Is Karma the same as Fate?
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I don't think much about either concepts-
I read that you can change karma. Fate is destiny and is fixed.
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that's great footi, but anyone can write anything and that doesn't mean it's true.
Karma is true if you want it to be. It's not true for me. Nor is fate, fate is 'a losers guide to the universe' philosophy -
Yes, everyone can write anything they want. Me and you too!
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yes true, thanks, and wishing you well
maybe a visit to the teachings of Nisagadatta might interest you, and I'm not pushing his stuff onto you but it might be worth exploring
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Thank you too acousticguitarist. And what 's this about Nisagadatta. Don't know anything about it.
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Probably the greatest sage that came out of India since Ramana Marharshi, with exclusion of the Sants, Sadgurus and supposed Avatars
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That's interesting. May look that up in the net. Thanks but really, I read your comment down the thread that say that Karma is too limiting. I guess it would be if you interpret karma as fate or destiny. Karma, according to your source , can be dissolved. That's like atoning the sins using the blood of some kind of sage. That would make a person irresponsible. All said, you are right, anybody can write anything. Anybody can think anything also. You may call Karma anything also; interpret it anything also. it's just a term.
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I never said it was my opinion. But that has been implied many times by many sages. I'm not going to agree or disagree. The guy quoted the Gita, this brought to my mind many snippets that I had read over the years.
as for making a person irresponsible that might just be your way of interpreting it. Acoording to many, God is the doer and we and up back in the loop ' who is what is etc'
Many people just quote certain sections of the gita that relate only to the bhakti path, but in the Gita there is also the path of wisdom / jnana.
It's not my opininion, just relevant to the discussion.
And if a person does hand over to the guru, then the guru takes it all on, for me being responsible or iresponsible is not the issue here and that's something to do with the supposed gurus, it aint my business. -
Dear acousticguitarist, I just say that if you intepret, that doesn't mean, I say it's your opinion! Anyway, I just have a look at Nisagadatta in the net, nice quotes he gives! I suppose that is Hinduism, isn't it?
And yes, about this irresponsibility thing, it's my interpretation. You don't read about that elsewhere. I don't like the idea of people committing a sin and then washing it off with the help of another. Anyway again, as you've always said, it's none of my business. Afterall, if God is the doer, he can wash away the sins. Que Sera Sera. As Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj said,
[There is] no need to know. It operates by itself."
And here of course, I am just taking a section of his quotation to suit my purpose! -
yeah thanks, I thought you might find Nisagadaata interesting.
it makes logical sense what you say about irresponsibility but what I have found that judgement of others is very very subtle, and it's something we all have a tendency to do. But I think freedom is outside all of this stuff and has no boundaries. -
It's not nice to judge others, not good really but as you say, we have a tendency to. I don't really know what you mean by freedom is outside all these stuff but as usual, who cares. Freedom could be very well inside us. Free our mind!
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What i mean is, all the opinions, religions, paths, practices ultimately lead away from ourselves and are obstacles in the way, for me, freedom is not inside these things. Although for someone else it could possibly be. But I consider all these things a form of procrastination, just to keep the mind thinking it is achieving.
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I see, acousticguitarist. They are baggages right. Nice idea.If there are baggages, it's going to be heavy. Some people love baggages and would feel happy with them!
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yep
as snagglepuss would say "exit stage left"
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As you exit, make sure you are not carrying any baggage yourself! (I am carrying mine though! Very attached to them!}
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acousticguitarist said, "fate is 'a losers guide to the universe' philosophy"
Why do you think that?
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That's karma!
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that's bumping an old thread
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According to Bhagwadgita.. any act by humanbieng is called "Karma". Hence, we create our destiny by our karma.-
But according to that perspective, isn't all karma disolved when one meets his Guru, touches His feet, Shabd erases all past and debt, and or murges with God. So really karma only exists if you wantto think that way. the concept of Karma is a prison house, stay there forever if a person likes but it has a use by date according to those scriptures. So around and around on the wheel of life forever trying to escape and every act both bad and GOOD is binding because there is always fruit of the actions.
No, don't like it, too limiting, dead end and you're (not you personally) are bound forever.
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"Karma" is a sanskrit word and it is used both on Bangali and Hindi. It means work or task. Our fate builds with our own work, in this point of view, this could be fate.-
I agree with you tamalds.. for example if you hit a six in the crucial overs.. that is Karma.. but winning and losing is fate.
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This means more that karma determines fate.
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I believe in Karma but not fate. Karma can happen because you wish it to or because it is enforced by others. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", my mother used to say. I beat up a bully at school once and she asked me why I did it. I said,"He would have done it unto me". I was simply enforcing karma.-
i didnt peg you for zee ass kickin type man......peace pipe dude! -
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you cannot enforce karma. If it is purposeful it is not karma. I cannot give a homeless man money and think oh good karma is going to come to me that is like people who only pray when they need to get the job or win the lotto.
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No, karma is,- "What comes around, goes around..."-
That sounds like a ball!
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They are related but not the same. Karma would be the "cause and effect" motion that drives fate.
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Karma happens when you have "desiree to", there are many explanation about Karma. To be exact, like what morgantj has state. Karma is the "cause and effect". Whatever you do will have the effect, if you've done well then you'll pick up the fruit of goodness. In order to complete the Karma road, you also need to have the "desire to".
Karma has many meanings, so I can't really describe it very well here. Karma won't die and disappear until you reach the (what do they call it), Nirvana. -
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Somehow, if karma doesn't get you, Freddy Kruger will!
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no.. and dont by the things happen for a reason.. or god doesnt give you more than you can handle crap either -
Karma is what you do in life and fate is destiny, which is sure to happen!-
That could mean karma can be changed and destiny can't!
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Hi footiam!
This doesn't mean karma can be changed! Throughout your life you do whatever (rather everything) the destiny has scripted for you, the moment you were born. You just follow the script of your life (but unknowingly) to reach your end - the destiny. Karma is this 'whatever' that you do in life. So, you see both the terms are related, yet different!
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Now,I am confused!
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If youse is going to be superstitious, at least recognise the difference between karma and dharma! -
Karma is Karma
Fate is Path......-
Karma is not fate?
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Dharma is closer to fate than Karma. Karma is more like the deserved results of your actions; cosmic balance, something cannot be deserved if it was fated. Dharma is your role, the dharma of the sun is to shine. -
Karma is what I eat for lunch every day.
Fate is what ultimately eats me.-
I am still chewing on this!
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That's great. Thanks!
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Karma is 'doing' -
It need not be. Pay me some money and I will teach you how to escape from your certainly most cruel fate -
I dont believe in fate or destiny. karma is all to me.
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