Blog Catalog Discussion: Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust

iranazm on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

iranazm — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:01:05 -0600

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dune on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

dune — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:10:38 -0600

"Evil will triumph when men do nothing"

hijabicouture on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

hijabicouture — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:52:36 -0600

Enlight,
Considering your response to the fact that more than a third of all of casualities in Gaza are of children: "Maybe Hamas will learn it's lesson", I think you should change your name to "Endarken". Innocent children should be protected regardless of their race, ethnicity, religion. If you can't see that, you are in need of enlightenment.
Considering that the Israeli Government won't allow journalists into Gaza and the media is so tightly controlled by your government, you can't say that you really know what has happened. By the way, muslims aren't taugh to be anti-semitic as you asserted. I have always had Jewish friends and some of my family members have married Jews. Enlighten your perspective.

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:32:15 -0600

Oh by the way being British and living in London as a kid we always lived under the fear of terrorist attacks from the IRA, but we have all managed to forgive and forget.

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:29:52 -0600

I live in Morocco. My husband is Jewish Moroccan his family have lived in this country for over 400 years peacefully side by side their Arab neighbours. They came to Morocco after the Jews where expelled from Christian Spain.They own land here, they have made fantastic living's compared to the family members who left Morocco to live in Isreal during the 1950's.
Throughout Moroccan history some of the closest advisers to the king's of Morocco have come from the Jewish community. Even now Andre Azoulay who is Jewish and the governer of a region of Morocco represents the king in international affairs. This is not only unique in Morocco.
Please can you clarify if you feel this is a religious war between Jews and Muslims or is this a war over land between Israeli's and Palestinians.
Because most people believe that this is a land war.
In 1948 clear boundries were laid out in the partition of the land then called Palestine.And then again in 1967, more land was allocated to the Israelis. I ask you have the Palestinians taken any areas allocated to the Israeli's in this time?

JewishAngle on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

JewishAngle — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:51:43 -0600

"Jews and Muslims have lived together for many centuries in peace and harmony side by side all over the world in the past until now." Yes until, to paraphrase the term used for African Americans, they get uppity.

Muslims get along well with Jews when they're dhimmis -- 2nd class. Muslims have had a hard time dealing with the Jews as equals, with the Jews' claim to Israel as equal to the Muslim claim to the land.

Even now, Hamas (democratically elected as you pointed out -- another sad sign of the Palestinians' judgment) won't recognize Israel as a legitimate political reality.

I,too, want to stress that I do not wish any harm to come to the Palestinian people (although when they strap explosives to themselves and try to kill as many Jews as they can, my sympathy is stretched).

I would like to see the Palestinian people rise up and demand their leaders negotiate with Israel an agreement whereby a free Palestine would live alongside Israel. The "living peacefully" that Jews and Muslims did in centuries past is the peaceful living of apartheid, of Muslims and 2nd-class citizens. We must look for the peaceful living of two equal peoples.

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:00:10 -0600

I would just like to stress that I do not wish any harm on the Israeli people...I just wish both sides could come to an agreemnt where they can live together peacefully.Jews and Muslims have lived together for many centries in peace and harmony side by side all over the world in the past until now.

luckyless on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

luckyless — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:14:30 -0600

Death To Israel

InshaAllah

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:12:40 -0600

Actually it’s you who should question why Gaza is so crowded. The Palestinians have been crushed into a slither of land in most places it’s no wider six kilometres with many hundreds of thousands of people who have been made refugees by the constant expansion by Israel over the last 40 years. They are now crammed into this tiny space. Unfortunately Hamas has very little room for manoeuvre.
How shocking that my concern for the people of Gaza would cause you to imply that I am semi delusional. I'm afraid you must be compleately delusional if you think its fair of the Israeli goverment to blockade food, cut of the electricity and water supply to Gaza for 5 months and not expect a reaction from Hamas.

NewBlogger2008 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

NewBlogger2008 — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:58:25 -0600

xanthe- Are you sure it has nothing to do with the rockets being fired at Israel? You are talking about a completely irrelevant point simply bent to make Israel look like the only responsible party while at the same time trying to get Hamas off the hook. Israel is doing what any other country would do, protect its own citizens. If you have such a problem with children being killed in Gaza then maybe you should be asking why Hamas operates in such crowded areas and why they store weapons in mosques, schools, and homes. Israel has specific targets when it attacks Hamas while Hamas only wants to kill anyone they can. The only concentration camp going on is in your head, not reality.

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:23:05 -0600

The holocaust was the systematic murder of all people of certain races
Umm this time its against Arabs who live in Gaza.
Because they democratically elected Hamas to lead them.
How many of the two hundred plus children who have died in the last 13 days where part of Hamas?
The 5 month siege of Gaza is 100% relevent to current events as this is why Hamas started to shoot the rockets in the first place.
You cant pick and chose which parts of the history you want to call relevent its intellectually dishonest.

urikalish on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

urikalish — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:41:00 -0600

The holocaust was the systematic murder of all people of certain races just because of their race.
Not related to current events.
This is a war against Hamas.
This is what Hamas is all about:
www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:31:55 -0600

How about the Israelis sticking to the 1967 boarders, or policing what’s happening in Hebron and not holding the Gaza strip to ransom over food and water and medical supplies.
The Gaza strip looks like a concentration camp to me maybe that’s why people are calling this a holocaust..........

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:25:19 -0600

After all it seems that the Palastinians in Gaza have no right to puchase food,medical supplies or electricity unless the Israelis say so.....

XanthePat on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

XanthePat — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:19:20 -0600

So Hamas aren't allowed to arm themselves? which other democraticlly elected goverment in the world aren't allowed to arm themselves?

JewishAngle on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

JewishAngle — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:48:42 -0600

"I need to know when Israel will stop these rockets???
After killing all Gaza people."

This is histrionic and does nothing to move us to an answer. I shudder when I hear of the people killed. That would be people anywhere.

But which rockets are you talking about? The rockets that Hamas is shooting into Israel? Surely you believe that is wrong, too.

How about Hamas reversing its coup against the Palestinian Authority, working out a power-sharing agreement with Fatah, giving up its goal to liberate all of Palestine (ie Israel), forswear the use of terror against Israel, pledge itself to negotiations leading to a Palestinian State living side-by-side with Israel. And returning Gilad Shalit.

It is ironic that Hamas attacks Israel from Gaza. Gaza is the first Palestinian land EVER left to the Palestinians to run. It was not the Turkish or British colonizers who left Gaza for the Palestinians. It was not Egypt, which grabbed Gaza in 1948. It was Israel that pulled its troops and settlements out of Gaza. Who made Gaza "unoccupied Arab land." So why is Hamas fighting Israel, the unoccupier?

pointlessbanter on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

pointlessbanter — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:39:21 -0600

Holocaust really? Come on... That is a little melodramatic while I don't agree with what is going on you can't compare 776 dead people to something like 6 million.

JewishAngle on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

JewishAngle — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:38:16 -0600

Could you prove that please? I'm open to being convinced that Hamas' gets its weapons some other way.

JewishAngle on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

JewishAngle — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:37:03 -0600

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Germany and Japan didn't have a sudden change of heart in 1945. They made peace not out of a desire for peace, but because the Allies were on the way to destroying them.

urikalish on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

urikalish — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:46:44 -0600

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9

urikalish on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

urikalish — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:38:23 -0600

"give me one example or one physical guide that Hamas hide behind the civilians"

- There you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
Tell me if you need more.

friedclyde on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

friedclyde — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:45:07 -0600

Mahatma Gandhi - An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind!

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:42:20 -0600

The number of killed people is increasing every hour and it reaches 776 till now

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:46:40 -0600

765 killed till now

Dukepro25 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

Dukepro25 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:20:16 -0600

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"

"You must be the change you want to see in the world. "

Mahatma Gandhi

Arnous81 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

Arnous81 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:10:37 -0600

Almost one third of the killed were children.Thats 1 out of 3.

The people in this thread saying "Let Hamas learn its lesson" as if that justifies babies being killed, have lost their humanity.

Gaza and everyone in it at this rate will be wiped off the planet pretty soon.

Dukepro25 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

Dukepro25 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:02:37 -0600

It's insanity - Am I right?

Insanity - Doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result.

Everyone has equal responsibility.

creemos on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

creemos — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:57:52 -0600

Jerusalem is a "thorn" in all nation's side and a continuing cup of trembling. In that day, all nation's will gather together to make war against the G-d of Israel.

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:44:32 -0600

what do u mean by nations????

creemos on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

creemos — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:33:11 -0600

Israel will be maligned from now until their true Messiah comes. Until then, nation's will desire to utterly destroy them - and fail.

Why? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob fights for them.

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:27:39 -0600

700 person killed till now

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:53:12 -0600

Iran doesn't give any weapons to Hamas,
And if we say that there are two parties in the war Israel & Hamas ;why we give Israel the right to have any weapons they need and try to prevent the other party which is Hamas have even the minimum weapons the could defend themselves.

friedclyde on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

friedclyde — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:47:36 -0600

thats just propaganda

satijournal on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

satijournal — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:46:33 -0600

Most of the weapons Hamas uses to attack Israel civilians are smuggled in from Iran through Egypt. Why don't you get your country to crack down on the weapons smuggling?

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:04:58 -0600

we can't say this until the war end

friedclyde on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

friedclyde — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:24:54 -0600

Another holocaust

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:14:44 -0600

No they said that they need a peace but in a complete situation not by siege or fire and they will stop firing the rockets

saadalshater2010 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

saadalshater2010 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:05:36 -0600

I mean another Holocaust in means of killing many people. Not as u said the historical aspects and the conditions there which I already know it in details.

I need to give me one example or one physical guide that Hamas hide behind the civilians or I am sure that Israel is saying some stupid reasons to kill the kids and the innocents and you agree on these foolish reasons.

NewBlogger2008 on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

NewBlogger2008 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:55:15 -0600

Hamas is ready and willing to sacrifice their own people for political ends.

gentledove on 'Israel & Gaza .... change dream or another Holocaust'

gentledove — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:53:43 -0600

you have to ask Hamas the question Isreal hates the situation but Hamas deliberately fire the rockets to bring the situation about for cheap propoganda. They are a cruel and merciless people.