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Kim Jung Il .. Alive or Dead?

Posted by csiunatc • 9/09/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Korea

North Koreas leader hasn't been seen for almost a month. Not even world intelligence agencies can tell if he is alive or dead.

He hasn't been seen since August 12th. Speculations now are that he is either seriously ill. Or dead.

He has / Had diabetes and a heart conditions.

Intelligence can't really rule out that he hasn't been dead for years. And the ones that have been seen recently have been lookalikes.

If he is dead, this could become very scary.

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9/09/08

melindaville

It's pretty scary with him alive.

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9/09/08

csiunatc

You imagine if it goes under military control, which could happen if news gets out that he is dead.

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9/09/08

melindaville

Does he have an heir to his 'throne?'

I also just wonder if we are going to regret putting NK on the backburner (which we have done) because we are so bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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9/09/08

csiunatc

I think its too soon to tell what is going to happen either way. But the country is hurting, and the military is incredibly strong.

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1. 9/09/08
  
  melindaville
  
  NK has a very strong military. But I am more worried about the people he might have sold weapons of mass destruction to. The ones that really do exist.
2. 9/09/08
  
  melindaville
  
  Wrong spot.
9/09/08

csiunatc

Well that is of course an issue, what i worry about is the military explicit desire to A- recapture south korea, and B fighting the Japanese.

This is a powder keg, and if he is dead it might turn into a real nasty power struggle.

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1. 9/09/08
  
  melindaville
  
  Yes, that is huge concern as well. No matter which way you look at it, the U.S. ignored problems with NK because of attention being diverted to an unnecessary war. Bad Bush!
9/09/08

aningeniousname

I haven't really took her seriously as an artist since "Hit me baby one more time" she has become parody of herself recently and I hope she can overcome her drug problems and pantiless misfortunes to warm the hearts of the world's middle age men at some distant time in the quite near future.

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1. 9/09/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  huh?
2. 9/09/08
  
  aningeniousname
  
  That was exactly what I thought when I saw those dirty baldy lady parts, why can't she just be nice and show them to gentlemen who buy her food in a date type setting.
9/09/08

csiunatc

Are you trying to make a joke or derail the thread, I am not following you at all.

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1. 9/09/08
  
  aningeniousname
  
  I don't think Kim Jong Il's lady parts are a laughing matter and I would respectfully suggest that you find more suitable outlets for your left wing "comedy"
9/09/08

thewriterspulse

I'm gonna have to agree with aningeniousname on this one.

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9/09/08

wehireu

I hope that he died peacefully in his sleep and now they can make a transition to someone less scary.

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1. 9/09/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  In a country with a government like that. Someone Less scary isn't probable.
9/09/08

wehireu

I hope it is at least someone not from Jung family. China would be a big factor in who would stepping into leadership.

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9/10/08

z3ct

maybe some people believe that jung il dead but i'm sure that he's still alive it's just a rumour so he can get symphaty.

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9/10/08

alexmcone

Doesn't he have a son ?

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1. 9/10/08
  
  thebigandyt
  
  two of them, they sound as scary as the da. The second oldest looks like the favourite to get power
9/10/08

kdawg68

he's not dead - he's just ronery.

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9/10/08

kristilinauer

This sounds callous, but I hope he's dead. That man is pure evil.

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1. 9/10/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  Pure evil... how can you say that about someone who is the worlds best golfer..
  
  daily.stanford.edu/article/2005/1/24/kimJongIlRulesGolfAtTheDictatorClassic
  
  I wonder how much of this BS the people of NKorea actually believe, i know that mass hypnosis is powerful, but please.
2. 9/10/08
  
  kdawg68
  
  he doesn't look like a world champion athlete to you? Is it the sunglasses? Does he take off his generalisimo uniform to golf?
  
  I can see him now. "No fair - ball 'posed to go in hole. Why no go? I take free swing - you no see! You see, you die!!! I great leader. Great leader allowed free swing. Stupid ball 'posed to go in hole!"
9/10/08

csiunatc

LMAO, i just saw that coming out of a 3'9" cartoon with big front teeth and clothes three sizes too big. Damn funny!

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9/10/08

calais50

I know the intelligence community kept claiming Saddam had doubles, but after Saddam was captured, that apparently turned out be false. I don't know if Dear Leader is dead, but one day after he is dead and if NK should open up a little more, you know some freaky-ass secrets are going to come out. We know very little about NK, but we do know Kim Jong Il is a freak extraordinaire. It will be very interesting.
I saw a heartbreaking documentary on NK a while back. So much needless suffering. We really hear very little in the media of the suffering of NK.

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1. 9/10/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  Was that the 2 hour special, i think it was on discovery.
2. 9/10/08
  
  calais50
  
  yep
9/10/08

csiunatc

It was good wasn't it..

The one thing that really scared me was the scheduled power outages. Where they shut down power in certain parts of the city for one hour so that the other parts could cook / etc.

When the power came back the first thing everyone said was "damn the US"...

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1. 9/10/08
  
  calais50
  
  Undoubtedly the best documentary on any subject I've ever seen. The freakiest thing I've heard about NK is Propaganda City where people were (are?) hired to come into the empty city and pretend to live and work there during the day. Kind of like "the Truman Show."
2. 9/10/08
  
  MidwestMom
  
  Not to derail, but that sort of thing isn't as uncommon as you might think. When I lived in Moscow (fortunately in the summer), they would shut off water to whole sections of the city for a week at a time. Sometimes it was just the hot water, sometimes all. People would go to work and bathe in the sinks.
  
  Or not bathe, in which case, the subway was eye-watering.
  
  But it made me wonder how older people managed. Of course, in the summer, a good number of people are out of the city at their dacha anyway...
  
  I think when there is a "planned economy" regime, they consider utilities a shared entity. If there's not enough power or water, everyone gets deprived equally.
3. 9/10/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  Isn't that lovely.
  
  Although i doubt that the Moscow brass in their little villas outside of Moscow were ever without water.
4. 9/10/08
  
  MidwestMom
  
  You got that right.
9/10/08

csiunatc

Mindboggling.

Again, you have to wonder what people are really thinking when they are alone in the dark. Is it really possible to indoctrinate to that extent. Or are they just scared into playing along in la la land.

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12/23/08

mvhs13

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1. 12/23/08
  
  clioandme
  
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