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Lots of pretenders: SEO & Make Money Online advis0rs
Posted by CallCenterVet • 8/25/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: backlinks, blogging, blogs, Help, pagerank, rankings, serp, traffic, websites
One other thing that kinda peeves me about BC... is there's a lot of S.E.O pretenders & Make Money online pretenders who "share" their tips... presumably a linkbait. I have read them all & find the tips redundantly annoying... anybody out there whose got real fresh new & Unique materials about SEO or money-making tips??? Kind boring to see all the same materials over & over again...
Just a suggestion, since some are SEO & money-making "gurus" here... why don't you do a contest or challenge? and see whose strategy works best in Optimization or Money-making online...? Just a thought of course...
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Any tips regarding SEO for my blog?
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This is true, and the fact is they get most of their information from well established blogs of the same genre. The redundancy is quite annoying.-
I agree.
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There are fakes everywhere...look at the forums, even some of the best ones are full of misinformation and people "faking it till they make it".
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Redundancy? what you mean?
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The redundancy doesn't annoy me a bit, because I don't read the darn things.
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I just realized that... What have i been doing with my life & my bandwidth... Waaah...
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Yep, I tend to try to just block it out, too. From the bird's eye view of it without even clicking the links there really aren't many differentiators between many of the posts and theories.
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I spent a lot of time reading and trying to understand all of the SEO nonsense out there, and I find it really confusing. Since I'm not running a corporation or other enterprise, the best advice I ever read was just to keep your site fresh, do the submissions yourself, and spread your link around in your signatures and forum posts. I've been doing that and I see my links climbing and I'm very pleased with it. I don't think there really is a science to figuring it all out. What I do think is that Google wants you to pay for AdWords and if you do, they'll give you some priority on linking - but that's just my own conspiracy theory. I am also a web designer and some of the other sites I've developed have grown extremely well in linkage over the past year, and I know they didn't purchase Adwords or do any type of special SEO processes. I really believe it just takes time and consistent efforts to get your site to grow. You do have to work on your keywords, but all of the other rigormorole about placing them on the page just so - I just don't buy into that.-
I'd really wanted to argue about that the comment you said about the keywords stuff... But I'm just going to turn into one of them pretenders... so I'll just keep the things I know to myself & just be content that I know working on my keywords works for me...
Wow... Hot topic this discussion ain't it? I just wanted to see what the so-called "tipsters" would say about this topic... hmmm...
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New content and/or ideas for SEO?
I'm not sure that there is any such thing.
That's not a complaint, just fact. The subject has been of such extreme and practical interest, that techniques which work in the real world have have been indentified, for the most part.
What can be fresh and new, at this point, is how the information is presented, and possibly new connections and comparisons between techniques.
Which I'm going to try, sooner or later.
Don't hold your breath: it will be as redundant as anything else: from the 'new ideas' point of view, at least. -
Speaking of pretenders: There's an anecdote on my small business blog that applies here: ( withoutlosingmymind.blogspot.com/2007/08/big-image-plus-tiny-company-equals... ).
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With the vastness of the blogosphere and the number of bloggers that continue to increase, don't be surprised to see a lot of similar content. It's practically IMPOSSIBLE to be unique!
I've posted things I've read but I also do some experimentation and share what I've learnt from it through my blog.
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I disagree... it's not hard to be unique in the way you put things across... yes there will be similar concepts talked of, but add own ideas, twist into the mix and you are unique.
Alot of people aren't unique cos they are lazy about it. ;o)
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So what's the point in blogging or starting a discussion in BC about "10 tips on how to..." or Money-making tips..." blah blah blah...???
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Your own spin on the facts. What they mean to you, or to a certain group of people
A new, and maybe better, way of expressing the facts. Making them clearer.
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Maybe they should clarify that in their topic of discussion if that's the case...
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I didn't say that working on your keywords wasn't necessary, I said you DO have to work on your keywords. I just added that I felt all of the other things that people are selling about where you put them on the page and so forth, I don't buy into that. I think the keyword formula is a lot simpler than we are lead to believe.
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Test test test..track.. and you get answers... ;o)
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Oh yes it does work... tried it for myself & it worked like a beauty... I saw results within ten minutes after posting... Putting keywords in your content & title does work ( damn I giving advice now... )... You won't see results or think it didn't work if you have a lot of competitors for the keyword you are trying to use... Proud to say for my second blog, 25% of the traffic comes from google.com.. See the picture below? click the link to see.
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Ok, I take that back... I don't want to give advice... I just wanted to make a point...
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40% of my traffic comes from Google or other search engine... There is no secret you have to be unique even if you choose a common subject just make it unique and not another replica... and I’m not a seo expert or seo freak-
True no secret in that. Let's get back on topic though... aren't these so-called "advisers" seem like they are spammers of BC? especially if they are trying to lead you to a link that ends up sounding like pyramiding or recycled materials? That's it... What they share are recycled materials... of others... I like recycling but only biodegradable materials...
If that's the case maybe they can just post the link of the original material & discuss here whatever their take on it is... -
Simply do it university style always give a bibliography ...
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@RobSellen
Being unique is marvelous but no one would like to blog about the hobbies of 'Kiribatians' or the 1% diminishing unique species of the Amazons just to be unique.-
Being unique doesn't mean just writing what noone else has... it means presenting it in a unique way...
If you have such an issue about the fact others have written about this or that.. and you feel you can't do it in your own unique way...why bother at all?
Writing tips and stuff on say blogging IS unique if you write from your own tested results etc... not everyone gets the same results.. not everyone does things the same way. ;o)
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Presenting an issue according to your personal view and adding more info into it makes it unique. But then, if you cover a widely covered issue (e.g. blogging tips) dont' you think that no matter how you put a twist into it, it will always sound like the same.
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Thats what I said.... did you not read the post here?
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I'd rather read John Chow, Matt Cutts, Shoemoney, Problogger & Joel Comm... Plenty of established blogging gurus ( who have proven themselves ) to listen to/read about... I don't need another wannabe to advise me how to blog. Thank you.
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Having glanced at your call center blog, and your website, something struck me.
You are an expert, of course: but I didn't find out very much about your experience on either your blog, or your website. Perhaps self-description, or bragging, is a typically American habit, but I was expecting to see a little more about your background.
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I had just been thinking about writing a blog entry about this very subject. All the copycats of each other out there. -
The call center industry in the Philippines is a small world believe it or not... some people can do a lot of bad things about other people on the net & off-line. Due to this fact, I choose not to create a profile. Some of my loyal readers are content with that. Thanks for taking time to view my blog BTW.
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I believe you. I really was struck by how little self-boosting (or boasting) you did on you blog/website. Relatively small community, I can understand how you'd want your identity to be a trifle inconspicuous.
Thanks for the explanation.
And, your quite welcome.
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you can check my blog you will find all the fresh information you are looking for like make money online and SEO topgptsites.blogspot.com-
Thanks, maybe later...
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One more thing: I'm glad you brought this up. I've been looking at some similar posts, and will reconsider what approach I take.
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Too many "experts", too many pretenders, few really good people. -
I think you may have people here that don't read problogger, or may have missed his post about tips to do whatever..and blogging is like a journalist job same story differant way to tell it.Look at thr nbc nightly news compare it with cbs, and abc same they all start out with the major headline of the day but they all added there touch and thats the same about seo and blog tips.
Everyday millions of people start a blog and never heard of Darren or Chow..they may only live in THe BC buble and your blog may be there Problog, And theres nothing bad about that...jill-
On the first point you try to make:
True that the news on TV is told in a different way by each station... But they are not the owners of the news...It's a different case for seo and blog tips, a lot of these so-called tips materials are re-hash/recyles of the stuff made by established bloggers we know who came up with the stuff first... making them the owners of that...
On the second point you try to raise:
I don't know about anybody else but if I'm starting a blog right now & I care to do SEO or find out "blog tips" or SEO blogs"... what I'll do is Google it... and guess what comes up on the first page?... Matt Cutts & Problogger... I'm pretty sure nobody lives in just the BC bubble... I'm pretty sure they got Google...and a normal person's reflex would search for blog tips or SEO tips using search engines not BC...
My point is... if your going to start a discussion about SEO tips, blog tips or make-money tips & if it is just a "translation" of an old material, at least mention the author's name or website where you picked up the material from... Now that's giving credit where it is due...
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I have a feeling this thread is more important to those trying to make money from a blog than to me. Although even the people who blog just for their love of writing want to see an increase in traffic. I can't see me throwing in a "keyword" just for the sake of traffic in that case.
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Keywords are absolutely important in any SEO strategy, but I'd also agree that your content must back up those keywords. Remember that keyword searches evolve over time. Sure, 'Microsoft' or 'Download Firefox' will always be huge volume keywords, and the odds of ever cracking those first few pages are tiny. However, be creative with keywords. If Microsoft launches a new product called 'Microsoft Online Desktop' (just an example, not real), and your blog is already talking about net/tech/office, craft your post around that. Include links to the product, anchored with that text. Add keywords to your post as variations of that keyword (so long as they are relevant) such as 'Download Microsoft Online Desktop' or 'Microsoft Online Desktop Tips'. Try titling your post (one of the most important parts of SEO) to target a specific flavor of your topic, such as 'Top 10 Tips for Microsoft Online Desktop' or 'How do I do xxxx on Microsoft Online Desktop'. Follow up your original post with similar content posts to expand on the subject, create easy links within each post to drive readers to your own past content.
Just remember, it takes time, often months, to gain an 'authority' in search engines for your targeted content. Be sure to do as others have suggested and join communities, submit to directories, participate in forums (and get your link in your signature).
Reinforce your keyword strategy by ensuring they always appear in your meta data on each page. Have global keywords that go on all pages that summarize your content, and link internally to your own posts from other posts using the keywords you are targeting.
Sign up for Google Webmaster Tools and create/submit your sitemap (Google's ranking algos /love/ this). Use pingomatic or pingoat to submit new content pings to numerous resources (such as technorati) all in one go.
All rehashing what has been said in many, many other SEO posts, but absolutely the best tips bar none for success. Really all comes down to what you model your blog around. Are you only keeping your blog as a personal voice? SEO probably isn't important at all, but if your goal is monetization, the basic 'Top 10' lists are the best advice you can seek.
Not a whole lot beyond that is within your control. Volume (post often), Content (use your keywords frequently and within correct context), Titles (your title is at least as important as your keywords), and Keyword Saturation (again, use your target keywords frequently) are what you can control. -
I like reading Paula's Blog paulamooney.blogspot.com/
She is pretty down to earth and her tips do help, it helped her go to a PR 5.
I don't think she would call herself a Guru, but she will post how much she has made and what she has learned about SEO techniques.-
I just also visit. Usefull blog.
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ok I have a SEO Tip that some may not know.
When posting pictures on your blogs, re-name your pictures with keywords that relate to your post. ???-????.jpg. Use dashes also.
When people are searching on a certain topic in google, they, and I also will use the Image option and you got a new hit on your site from an image. -
The tips may be old and redundant to you but for those new to blogging the tips are invaluable and necessary. You can't afterall run before you can walk.
I have a tip blog and I poost as I learn. My friend who is just setting up a blog is using it to get her started and no doubt will find others herself.
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Meanwhile I am on the first page of AOL out of over 600,000 entries. My sciforums site is also on first page next to the two communities I blog about, again out of several thousand entries. This happened without planning though so not entirely sure what the secret of that success was.
I am assuming feeds, good links, creating a buzz and keywords. It was on the first page within about a fortnight.
Oh and re the site I provide tips on, it's clear I'm a novice as I'm psoting in that vein! -
Any new SEO Tips out there !!!!! HELLOOOOO :()
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How is anyone to know what it is that you do not know?
Meanwhile, as you're looking for something 'new' does this mean to say that you know all that is not fresh out this week? Your blog is TOP dollar? Top search engine, top ranking, top earning?
If that is the case then do share Guru SEO.
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Personally, I think the best tip anyone can give out is this: Put effort into writing quality content on a specific subject that you care about (why bother otherwise?) and post that type of content often. If you do that, you likely are doing the most important part of all the other things that will help bring in and keep traffic. After that, the rest of the tips may or may not add something, but it is better to spend most of your time on creating content over reading all of those ubiquitous SEO/moneymaking items too much.
If a site is trying to tell you that you can get rich off of blogging without decent content, I submit that they are not worth reading and are the linkbait type thing that should be avoided.-
Maybe maybe not. I pride myself on content so yes I agree, but I also look for one stop online resources that have lots of tips and so far I've seen a few and I've managed to get some idea however small from all of them. Even if it was redirection to a more helpful site. I see it as homework.
I don't knock anyone trying to make a living.
There are enough lazy bums in this world, those who put any kind of effort into making a hobby or a living are worth some respect.
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Any 'seo' tips I post are just generally there to help people - take or leave it but don't complain that i'm offering it.
My scripting savvy is pretty poor so I really struggle with getting hold of the right script to copy and use in my own projects or where exactly to place it.
Take my most recent accomplishment - All I wanted was to add one of those little bookmark this article/add to facebook gizmo's at the bottom of my blog articles.
SUre the BBC are doing it and one or two other blogs I've visited but no one was spilling the beans on how to achieve this (maybe I was using the wrong search phrases and I tried a few), so when I did finally piece it together and get it working - I naturally wanted to share it with others in the same predicament.
I appreciate that some may have held onto this info to stop the competition from getting hold of it, but that's not the way I operate I'm afraid.
One thing I do know is the blog community is all about sharing. I'm sorry if you've read it before or feel your visit has been a waste of time - I didn't know that.
And if you like what you read and leave a comment (good or bad) then that's great too. IF you fo on to become a customer of my partners photo gift site, that's brilliant but I'm not expecting such great things to happen and I certainly won't feel bad towards you if you don't. I'll just be pleased that maybe I was able to help someone. -
p.s - perhaps I shouldn't take things so personally but I can't help that either.
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There are new bloggers and average bloggers ,who does not know basic things about search engine optimization or blog promotions.
For example, many bloggers here have not given hyperlink to images
on their blog.Title and alt tag is also important for images on blog.
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Some of the new blogger can even generate revenue from their blog, yet want to write blog to teaching other how to do it. They make me sick.-
lmao, they are in the process of learning, just like the reader. I know a few women who started off with blogger and stated "we are going to learn this together" and they are generating enough to pay for my Rent and then some.
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A large chunk of my content is about SEO, and very little if any you can find anywhere else.
There are lots of SEO blogs that do original research and publish the results.-
sign me up!
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"CreativeBlogger
How is anyone to know what it is that you do not know?
Meanwhile, as you're looking for something 'new' does this mean to say that you know all that is not fresh out this week? Your blog is TOP dollar? Top search engine, top ranking, top earning?
If that is the case then do share Guru SEO."
What was that all about? I made the comment, because like the previous responses, there is nothing NEW.
I am in agreement with the Blogger who started the Discussion actually.
I guess some people like to joke around.. (me)
If you would scroll up a bit, I did post one tip, that's not a secret to anyone who know a little about SEO.
Like they are saying here, everything there is to know about SEO has already been written down for anyone to read.
Stop and smell the Flowers, u sound a little upset ok. I was only being me here.-
I'm not upset not remotely. Tones are interpretted sometimes incorrectly. meanwhile re the flowers, I'll be writing for them shortly! Coincidence that you used that expression! Read the bottom paragraph of this post as it may/maynot be helpful!
You seem to have missed the point of what I was trying to say.
For example, most of this is NEW to me, because I only became interested in SEO about a fortnight ago.
So things that might be obvious to you and some of the others are for newbies like me, entirely NEW.
Also, anyone who claims to 'know it all' must surely be a Guru?
(this is probably coming across sarcastic but that's not my intention, I'm just pointing out some obvious contradictions)
If I myself was bored with all SEO tips, then I'd be fairly knowledgeable myself. As it is, I'm not bored as there is so much for me to learn. Just trying to understand the technical jargon is hard enough, let alone applying it.
So when people say, what's new, people like me have no idea what it is that you consider old. Hence my asking, 'share all that 100% current info please' as I am keen to learn it! Very keen.
Meanwhile, surely when it comes to SEO, there is a forumla and that won't change much unless the search engines decide to alter the way they do things. So anything NEW is not likely to arise, unless there is OLD info that has been kept under wraps.
Meanwhile, I somehow have done very well with a couple fo my sites that are on front page. All I need to figure out now is how that happened as it happend within about a fortnight at the most, by accident.
I'll let you know if I find anything out but whether that info would be 'new' for you. I cannot say as no one knows what it is you know. Do you see?
If I said for example that using keywords that actually sound similar to site names that rank number 1, was a trick of the trade. Would this be NEW info to you or old?
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I help bloggers for promoting blog and getting traffic.
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help me, please.
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CreativeBlogger, with all the bloggers on here who talk about tips and blogs out there to help and some of them are on Blog Catalog, why single me out? I said maybe 5 words, and all the Info on this discussion and you write a novel about it.
You just had your first lesson in SEO. You probably got some people to visit your blog after that Novel you typed.. :() You seemed Angry to me and I never said anything about anything, I was just posting some humor here.
If you look over this Discussion you will see other people posting exactly what you are accusing me of....
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I have already said I'm not angry/upset. That is your interpretation. I've explained my perspective as much as it is possible. Trust me, I'm not angry, I'm here eating malteasers, enjoying a coffee and chilling. Don't be upset there is nothing to be upset about.
Re the novel, you are not being singled out. I felt you missed my point so I elaborated. If you still miss it, then there's not much more I can say on that topic.
Meanwhile, re my last paragraph, was that 'tip' I stated new news or old news? I want to know if I'm onto to something.
Take it eaze.
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Your discussion can create interesting post
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who's and what?
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Recently Seo contest is going on ....as "CallCenterVet" said above "why don't you do a contest or challenge?" so show your skills here in the Seocontet2008...and i am in with my site: www.seocontest2008india.com -
There are many many get rich fast scams and seo scams out there. We know lots of people making 500k to 1 million plus on the web with their sites and blogs. Most of them use tried and true advertising programs and then create a referral and cross promotion group so if one person makes it they promote the other people in the group.
You can see it with the ezinequeen, unseminar, mrfire, and on and on.
Since we own a Marketing Strategy company that didn't come from just the web we find that if you are not willing to build a network where you work together the best thing to do is focus on a niche and combine your online and offline work. For example we did a presentation for the National Association of Women Business owners about being yourself in marketing and blogging. This offline 1 hour presentation generated revenue and sign-ups for our ezine at our corporate site www.one80group.com as well as traffic for our blog we are working on at www.trueyoumarketing.com
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Haha... you got a lot of them there. By the way, there's actually something new out there that some assuming SEO gurus are doubtful in trying.. it's called Video Marketing. Heard of that? I'm not a guru my friend, but I think it works as much as they say it does. I'll just leave you out with one link: www.videosalesleads.com
You get to choose whatever you want to do with it. But it helped e alot.
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