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Marijuana - is it just for kids?
Posted by BernieSandwich • 4/17/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: heroin, Marijuana, Police, substance
I have had a look around a few blogs linked to drugs and other substance use because the topic interests me.
There are some great blogs out there that balance the good with the bad. There are others that concentrate on the good that is around drugs and ignore the negatives.
Am I the only one that thinks that marijuana users that are over, say, 25ish need to grow up and move on?
Is their continued substance use an indicator of arrested emotional development?
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Do you feel the same way about people who continue to drink after 25? I think connecting marijuana use with emotional development is ridiculous.
I have "friend", we'll call him "John Doe" who smokes pot on a semi-regular basis. He is probably one of the more grounded, mature and responsible people I know. Balances being a great father with a full time job working on a large social media site and pursues several interesting/productive hobbies. Life is about balance. If you can smoke some pot and still get everything you need to get done completed, then do what you want.
And, why do you really care if people over 25ish are smoking pot? If they like it, they like it. It does not signify any moral or character defects. Why the need to imply that this group is emotionally stunted or immature?
It's pretty dumb to assign character traits to an entire group of people that is made up of..what..thousands if not millions of individuals with their own individual levels of maturity, emotional development, interests, jobs........-
Agree fully with everything you just said. -
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I'm over 25 and have been pretty successful in life, even winning several national advertising awards. Marijuana is awesome. -
Jaybetee, do you know why it is that this friend of yours who apparently has things so together finds that life unaltered isn't good enough? -
I'm 26 and still find that its ok in moderation. It used to be an everynight thing when I was younger, but there again so was binge drinking. Nowdays if its there and I feel like it I wont say no to it. I'm a person who likes uncontrollable laughter and intense conversations - some of my best material comes from being with a group of friends and talking about certain things that we wouldnt normally think to talk about.
As tinatina said: It's awesome. -
better than being a sad old drunk
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I don't think so. I smoke it, and my IQ is 131, and I don't have any major emotional developement problems, arrested or otherwise. I like it because it makes me sleep. I get insomnia sometimes.-
Some of my best friends use weed. Some of my smartest friends. I don't believe it lowers IQ or arrests development.
Alcohol is far more damaging health-wise. -
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>>alcohol is far more dangerous healthwise
Amen to that. When was the last time you read about pot heads getting into fights and crashing their cars?
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Oh, and I am 48.
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I think when people blindly judge other people that indicates arrested emotional development-
Amen to that.
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For sure! -
Good one!!
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I have several friends who have AIDS and one friend who has terminal cancer and marijuana is the only thing that makes their lives bearable.
In my opinion, marijuana is far less detrimental than alcohol--it causes fewer social problems and not many people die from marijuana use as opposed to alcohol use.
I am a personal believer in the live and let live adage. I really believe marijuana should be legal, taxed, and that the money should be used to open up free treatment centers for people who seek help.
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Jaybetee
I did say that they should grow up.
I asked if their continued use was a sign of arrested emotional development.
Maybe I'm just unlucky getting to meet a lot of marijuana users who have problems maintaining relationships, dealing with emotions and problem solving.-
it sounds like you have your own personal problems you are trying to project onto others
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I understand what you said and what I am saying is that being grown up and smoking pot have nothing to do with one another.
Emotional development and smoking pot have nothing to do with one another.
Plenty of mature, fully emotionally developed people I know smoke pot, have smoked pot for a while and will most likely continue until they are old and grey.
I don't think projecting emotional or character traits onto a whole group of individuals is fair just because your acquaintences don't have their stuff together. -
You said:
Am I the only one that thinks that marijuana users that are over, say, 25ish need to grow up and move on?
I'd say that's saying they should grow up. Now, would you like to explain what correlation there is between marijuana usage and immaturity?
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medicinal usage will always get my vote. The trouble is that a lot of other people use that argument to support their non med usage.-
That's true--but I would honestly rather see a few people abuse medical marijuana than deny it for those who truly do need it. I just don't think it's that big a deal--marijuana doesn't cause a lot of problems in my view.
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?? You may have a good point but at the moment its lost on me.-
stoned?
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that's okay Bernie, I saw his point and agree with him. -
@ cookingasshole - Funny
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"My choice is what i chose to do;
and if I'm causin no harm,
it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you chose to be;
and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me."
"If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I'm gona burn one down."
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mTyler77
it does for some of people I work with. It is the rite of passage substance for many before they move on to other stuff. It introduces them to the drug sub culture, clothes, language, alternative social circles, puts them outside the law, some become addicted to it (I know but you can).-
this above passage is totally insane
Are you doing this just to get hits or what?
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It is the rite of passage substance for many before they move on to other stuff.
What you meant to say was it's the gateway drug - and it's only a gateway drug for some people - just as alcohol is. It's not a "rite of passage".
It introduces them to the drug sub culture, clothes, language, alternative social circles,
So now not only are pot smokers immature - but anyone who wears "clothes" (I'm guessing you mean they dress "funny") "language" (what language? Slang?) And "alternative social circles" are drug abusers who need to grow up?
Wow - I ought to tell my 30 and 40 year old friends who are drug, alcohol, and tobacco free, but are also Anarchists, who dress funny and use "language" that they're drug abusing children with arrested development problems. -
sounds like it has more to do with the individuals than the drug. if me and my friends are able to smoke pot, hold jobs, get MBA's and PhD's, raise families and have productive lives, then i'd say the individuals who have problems with it don't have problems with marijuana use. they have larger issues and the fact that marijuana negatively effects them is a symptom of their personal problems and has little to do with the herb itself.
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People who are going to have substance abuse problems are going to have them regardless of whether or not marijuana is legal or if it even exists. That's just a ridiculous argument.
Marijuana was legal until prohibition ended. The reason it was criminalized was because of two factors: 1). the booze cops needed to do something so as soon as they made alcohol legal, they made marijuana illegal so the booze cops would have something to do (this is absolutely true--read Thomas Sasz's 'Ceremonial Chemistry'--it's a fascinating book). And 2). it was also made illegal in a covert display of racism agains't Mexicans. Marijuana was primarily associated with the Mexican population and in an effort to deport and disciminate, marijuana was made illegal.
Alcohol causes more deaths than ALL other drugs combined, yet it is not satanized the way marijuana is. Marijuana causes relatively few health problems--both physical and psychological.
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rite of passage as in having it, knowing where to buy it, using the language, being accepted.
There are people who are heroin addicts, alcoholics who have MBAs, PHDs, run businesses and have families but would they be happier/ better for not using.-
Rite of Passage
–noun
1. Anthropology. a ceremony performed to facilitate or mark a person's change of status upon any of several highly important occasions, as at the onset of puberty or upon entry into marriage or into a clan.
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i'm not talking about heroin or alcohol. don't confuse the issues by bringing in other substances...your post was about pot use.
comparing heroin and pot is like comparing water pistols to ak-47's. one is fun to use and the effects (being wet or stoned) go away after a few hours; the other can kill you in a second.
my point is, again, that if ur friends have "problems" with pot, then the actual problem is them not the pot.
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Just out of interest and a thirst for knowledge. On many occasions I have taken my son to the pub (a bar) for a drink. Do you marijuana users encourage a family smoke?
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The baby in your picture? You take him to the pub for a drink?
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I would never take my child to a bar or smoke pot with him. I think there's a section on not drinking or doing drugs with or around your child in "What to Expect, The Toddler Years."
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I'm not a marijuana user. A person can rationalize decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana without imbibing themselves. I USED to be a marijuana user, as I USED to be a heroin addict. I have over 15 years clean.
My problems with heroin had absolutely nothing to do with marijuana. I didn't even use marijuana until after I started doing much harder drugs. Spare me the 'gateway' theory. If people are going to become addicts, they're gonna do it with or without marijuana. Addiction is simply a symptom of a person's problems--marijuana has nothing to do with it.
And I have my PhD in biopsychology--just to let you know--I have studied substance abuse for over over 14 years now.
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Anok
Thanks for confirming I am using it in context.-
Did you not read it? You are not using it "in context"
Dressing funny and knowing where to buy pot isn't a "rite of passage" for pot. There is no "pot rite of passage". You don't go to a party, where your friends dress you up, give you the lingo in code, and tell you where to buy your pot only after learning the secret handshake, and promising never to act like a grown up again.
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to each their own as long as they don't drive while under the influence or use it as an excuse for poor behaviors.
I passed on pot after a few tries when I was younger but that's me. I don't drink much either and won't look down on anyone for drinking. Got some major issues with kids in bars/pubs though. Especially if you're driving them home after you've had a few. Major issues with that! -
Yes it is. It can be part of growing up, playing at being older. Being allowed in to a gang and group of people. Have you though how a tea total person can be viewed these days - strange. If i miss drink in a round, there is an argument.
Smoking dope looks cool. The language is cool. The shop window where they sell the paraphernalia looks cool. new social circles are developed through it. Its rebellious and a sub culture. Its illegal but not very much. All cool. Have you watched kids who are starting out smoking. Why do 13 yr olds start to smoke tobacco?-
Yes it is. It can be part of growing up, playing at being older. Being allowed in to a gang and group of people. Have you though how a tea total person can be viewed these days - strange. If i miss drink in a round, there is an argument.
So...missing a drink in rounds of drinks cause arguments (who do you drink with? Alcoholics?) that must mean that "pot" is a "subculture" with "clothes, language, and alternative friends" so it's a rite of passage.
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sounds like you need new friends if peer pressure is causing you to drink at pubs with your children along. Especially "rounds" .
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you keep making this argument more and more complex. you asked a simple question about whether pot smokers need to grow up and are now bringing in gangs, tobacco, drinking. if you have a point, make it...don;t confuse one issue by constantly throwing new ones into the mix or else your discussion becomes ridiculous and pointless.
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The babies are grand children. My kids are all over 21. Just to allay further assumptions - I'm a man. That I might be a woman seems to be upsetting anok. Something you might bwant to explore with someone qualified to give advice.
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so you take your 21 year old son to the bar? so what? and, yeah if my kid was 21 and smoked pot, i'd smoke with him.
are your comments and arguments meant to be so confusing. you have everyone thinking your "kid" is little. -
that you bring children out with you while you're drinking rounds is what upsets me.
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So you're a full grown man (your gender doesn't actually matter to me) with adult children who goes to the pub for rounds of drinks where arguments break out if you miss a drink....and your pot smoking friends can't get their lives together...
And you're asking if pot smokers need to grow up?
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In the OP your have said this: There are others that concentrate on the good that is around drugs and ignore the negatives.
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jhatbetee - its called discussion. Its not a debate. If you are struggling to keep up I suggest you lay off the dope.
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Or you could provide a coherent thought.
Maybe you ought to lay off the booze. -
i'm not struggling at all...another assumption on your part. i'm way smart enough to keep up with ya bernie.
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coherent, discussion-centered thoughts would be great!
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Heroin isn't pot, number one. And number two, TT isn't an ex heroin addict.
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Bernie, I think you like ruffling feathers
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I have never used heroin - not even once. I have never used any street drugs.
When I had cancer I proved to be allergic to 129 pharmaceutical drugs. Marijuana tea proved to be THE only drug that was effective for controlling my nausea and vomiting. Now it's THE only one that I can use for taking the edge off my pain and swelling from fibromylaga flare-ups. If there are negative effects then I'm not aware of them. That is why I asked you for source links.
timethief is a "nick name" I chose because I was twice declared dead and was brought back to life. There were zero drugs of any kind in my body on both of those occasions.
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At least the google ads are somewhat relevant for a few in this group.-
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I don't see them as I am a supporter of BC. One of the benefits!
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May be a correlation between those who need them and those who seem 'em.
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I can't see anything through this *cough, cough* smoky haze. are there ads on this site? I didn't even know I was a member here...totally radical!
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Anok
Thanks
I have removed the post. I mistakenly thought I read the name timethief came from time lost due to addiction. No offense intended.-
No problem.
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My interest isn't just to cause discussion and ruffle feathers. I work with people with addictions. Currently I work with people who define themselves as alcoholics and others who are substance users who also say they are addicts. Some have multiple addictions. No college boys and girls where I work.
If you want to know more about the people and work we do you know what to do. -
"timethief
I have never used heroin - not even once. When I had cancer I proved to be allergic to 129 pharmaceutical drugs. Marijuana tea proved to be THE only drug that was effective for controlling my nausea and vomiting. Now it's THE only one that I can use for taking the edge off my pain and swelling from fibromylaga flare-ups. If there are negative effects then I'm not aware of them.
P.S. timethief is a "nick name" I chose because I was twice declared dead and was brought back to life. There were zero drugs of any kind in my body on both occasions."
Thanks for clearing that up. I hope my apology is acceptable to you.-
What apology? I don't see one unless it's your last sentence above.
Also I shouldn't have to clear anything up. You leaped to a wrong conclusion like young kids do. -
explanations are not apologies
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Excuse me but I'm going to leave this thread now. I can't handle adults who jump to conclusions and act like children by dodging apologizing appropriately and sincerely.
The fibromylagia I have will go to the grave with me so will the degenerative joint disease. There are NO drugs that I can take that I'm NOT allergic to. Sick people shouldn't have to ask for compassion. There is a natural occurring plant that can be made into a tea that can give us a few hours of respite from unrelenting pain. How dare self righteous people deny our access to it or characterize us as criminals. -
Isn't this an apology, "I have removed the post. I mistakenly thought I read the name timethief came from time lost due to addiction. No offense intended."
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@TonyB
I didn't see that comment. Thanks for pointing it out to me. All I saw was the one liner immediately above my comment.
@Bernie
I accept your apology and apologize for my oversight.
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A bit gracelaess tt.
"I have removed the post. I mistakenly thought I read the name timethief came from time lost due to addiction. No offense intended."
"Thanks for clearing that up. I hope my apology is acceptable to you."
Would you like more?
I'm quite willing to fall on a sword for what was a genuine. honest mistake if it is required. There was no malice in the post. I removed it before the community did (thanks Anok).-
Yes a rather harsh response when these are meant to be discussions where reasonable people can disagree.
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I'm fully behind medical use. I wish it could also be legal and I would sign any petition to support that stance.
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TT "How dare self righteous people deny our access to it or characterize us as criminals."
"United Nations conventions
The UN 1961 Single Convention on Narcotics and the
UN 1988 Vienna Convention Against Illicit Traffic in
Narcotic Drugs impose various requirements on
signatory countries in relation to home cultivation.
They require that both possession and cultivation of
cannabis are criminal offences, provided that this is
consistent with the country’s constitutional
arrangements. Although possession and cultivation
must be criminal offences, the conventions do not
actually require that offenders be dealt with under
criminal law. The 1988 Convention permits the use
of administrative penalties for minor offences of
cultivation for personal use. It also allows cultivation
for personal use to be dealt with by means other than
conviction or punishment, including interventions
such as ‘treatment, counselling, education’."
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Loads of comments and thoughts here... which basically touch on my own views.
Rather than re-terating what's already here, I'm going give a smile reply to those bloggers who I felt wrote a great argument -
Haven't seen any smiles?
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G/night
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I just finished reading all comments... this thread just shows how a controversial topic can turn a forum of open discussion into a heated exchange!
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I certainly wouldn't say that if your over 25 and a marajuana user that you "need to grow up". Not everyone smokes it to get high .. Some smoke it for pain relief... I have met people 60 and up that use it regularly to deal with glaucoma or cancer treatments that seem neverending ...
Personally, I think your going to have some difficulties if you automatically judge people based strickly on your own opinions ... I for one, think we all need to worry about ourselves and deal with our OWN issues a little more ... -
"I am a personal believer in the live and let live adage. I really believe marijuana should be legal, taxed, and that the money should be used to open up free treatment centers for people who seek help."
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I am SO sick of hearing the "marijuana is a gateway to hard drugs" bullshit. If that were true, I would surely be a heroin addict by now. In point of fact, mj is the only drug I've really done, and honestly I don't believe I've been in any way harmed by it.
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It is a gateway, so long as it is illegal and kids buy it from illegal drug dealers who may lace it w/ other stuff. the arguement doesn't bear up if it is a legal substance.
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I have seen the good and the bad. In college in the early 70's I dated a guy that had ADHD...this was before we even knew about ADHD especially in adults. The only way he could sit in class was to smoke...it made him act normal...now if you wanted him to clean the house on the other hand ..hide the pot. My late husband had cancer of the stomach. He had to do 7 day 24 hr chemo drip twice during the summer of '99. After he came home he was so nauseated the only way he could go to work was smoke the night before. Now for the bad...I lived next door to a family that smoked pot when their twin girls turned 12 they let them smoke...I don't think that was right, but the family had issues. Their 21 year old son sucked his thumb. And I had to call the cops on the husband for hitting his wife. -
Weed, Pot, Marijuana...A little history lesson.
"Our ancestors, up until the late 1800’s early 1900’s, used the Cannabis plant to create clothing and other materials. The Cannabis plant or ‘hemp’ as it is called in the textile industry is a very strong material and will withstand large amounts of stress applied to it. Hemp material is widely regarded as one of the best possible materials for producing fabrics. A pair of trousers made from hemp, or a shirt made from hemp will withstand the test of time. It is a far more superior material than cotton. This should give you some clues as to why the fabrics industry wanted to put a stop to the cultivation of marijuana in the late 1800’s. Hemp fabric products will last longer than cotton fabric products thus the buyer buys less over longer periods of time. This is the first instance of
the Cannabis plant being subjected to ridicule for capitalist gain.
Our ancestors, up until the late 1800’s early 1900’s, used the Cannabis plant to create clothing and other materials. The Cannabis plant or ‘hemp’ as it is called in the textile industry is a very strong material and will withstand large amounts of stress applied to it. Hemp material is widely regarded as one of the best possible materials for producing fabrics. A pair of trousers made from hemp, or a shirt made from hemp will withstand the test of time. It is a far more superior material than cotton. This should give you some clues as to why the fabrics industry wanted to put a stop to the cultivation of marijuana in the late 1800’s. Hemp fabric products will last longer than cotton fabric products thus the buyer buys less over longer periods of time. This is the first instance of
the Cannabis plant being subjected to ridicule for capitalist gain."
THE CANNABIS GROW BIBLE
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I'd say we have more pressing matters as a species than worrying about recreational plant usage - if we don't smarten up this will be a purely academic question and the weed will be smoking us! -
US DEA - negatives about marijana. Still, all the back yard experts know better.
www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html-
Many of the most negative side effects from pot come from the introduction of chemicals and/or other drugs into the pot, joint, or altered plant. (lacing the pot with LSD, formaldehyde, psychoactive drugs, or genetically engineering stronger "hydroponic/chronic" type of pot plants)
Naturally occurring, unadulterated marijuana is much weaker, non addictive, and not hallucinogen inducing. It is otherwise harmless, save for some of the tar - if you smoke it. -
And your government would never, ever lie to you...it wouldn't even slant things to make you come to the conclusions they want you to come to...right??
You know, the fact that the government advocates something should not be taken as incontrovertible proof of either truth or wisdom. Look what Prohibition brought us...and how long and insidious the legacy has been. -
Berniesandwich, you believe anything the government tells you? you've been mislead, my friend. it is a well known fact the medicinal qualities of mj.
1. depression
2. pain
3. insomnia
4. cancer patients
5. AIDS patients
6. glaucoma
just to name a few. if it weren't for the vile connection between the government and big pharma, we would have cures for most if not all diseases. alcohol is far more dangerous than mj will ever be.
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Ah...Anok has to provide proof of her claims but you, of course, are exempt.
Look, I was part of the hippie generation. I grew the stuff, I smoked the stuff and I am here to tell you that unadulterated, natural mj is exactly as Anok describes. -
What the freak...technical difficulties...
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Just some basics about Marijuana, hemp, cannabis, and THC levels.
www.naihc.org/hemp_information/content/hemp.mj.html
Thus, using the chemotype approach, Cannabis variants can be classified on the basis of their THC-CBD balance. This is accepted by a growing number of scientists. Gabriel Nahas, M.D., Ph.D., writes, "One should still distinguish two principal large groups of varieties of Cannabis sativa, the drug type and the fiber type. In addition to this classical distinction of these two groups, botanists generally accept description consisting of three chemical types: (a) the pure drug type, high THC content (2-6 percent) and lacking CBD[cannabidiol]; (b) the "intermediate type" (predominantly THC); and (c) the fiber type (THC < 0.25 percent)." [16]
Dr. Mahmoud ElSohly, Director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse Marijuana Project at the University of Mississippi-Oxford, which analyzes Cannabis samples sent in by law enforcement agencies, explained to the author [17] that his group is currently reevaluating the data collected since the 1960s. They are taking a new approach that classifies any sample with less than 1.0 percent THC and a CBD-to-THC ratio greater than one as "ditchweed," in order to have a proper discrimination among the samples. This was never done for the data on which the claims of great potency increase are based, from pre-1983 samples.
How you grow the plant, and what kind you have bred changes the levels of THC, thus changing the side effects of marijuana.
www.homedrugtestingkit.com/thc.html
Marijuana's effect on the user depends on the strength or potency of the THC it contains. THC potency has increased since the 1970s but has been about the same since the mid-1980s. The strength of the drug is measured by the average amount of THC in test samples confiscated by law enforcement agencies.
Most ordinary marijuana has an average of 3 percent THC.
Sinsemilla (made from just the buds and flowering tops of female plants) has an average of 7.5 percent THC, with a range as high as 24 percent.
Hashish (the sticky resin from the female plant flowers) has an average of 3.6 percent, with a range as high as 28 percent.
Hash oil, a tar-like liquid distilled from hashish, has an average of 16 percent, with a range as high as 43 percent.
How you consume marijuana also makes a difference. Smoking it releases/stimulates/creates different toxins than eating it, brewing it, or vaporizing it.
www.cannabis.net/marijuana-vaporizer/index.html
Under the study protocol, the participants received on different days three different strengths of cannabis by two delivery methods--smoking or vaporization--three times a day.
"By a significant majority, patients preferred vaporization to smoking, choosing the route of delivery with the fewest side effects and greatest efficiency," said Benowitz.
Co-authors include Cheryl A. Jay, MD, UCSF neurology; and Starley B. Shade, MPH; Hector Vizoso, RN; and Mary Ellen Kelly, MPH, UCSF Positive Health Program at San Francisco General Hospital Medical Center.
The study was funded by the University of California's Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research.
And of course, dipping it or lacing it with other drugs (PCP, LSD, etc and so forth) is obviously different, and I honestly hope I don't need to offer any links for that distinction.
www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
The amount of THC in marijuana determines the drug’s strength, and THC levels are affected by a great many factors, including plant type, weather, soil, and time of harvest. Sophisticated cannabis cultivation of today produces high levels of THC and marijuana that is far more potent than pot of the past. THC content of marijuana, which averaged less than 1 percent in 1974, rose to an average 4 percent by 1994.
For the highly popular form of marijuana called Sinsemilla (from the Spanish "without seeds"), made from just the buds and flowering tops of female plants, THC content averages 7.5 percent and ranges as high as 24 percent. As for hashish, a resin made from flowers of the female plant, THC levels may be five to ten times higher than crude marijuana’s.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/comments_blog/2008/06/marijuanas-thc.html
The L.A. Times' health blog, Booster Shots, this week reported on findings from the University of Mississippi that the active ingredient in marijuana is rising over the decades. Since studies began in the '70s, the report showed that currently the average amount of THC in pot is about 9.6%, more than double what was found in marijuana in the '80s. One of the samples found THC levels as high as 37.2%.
The rising levels of THC are due directly to specialized breeding processes and additives to make the highs stronger, so the product is more valuable, and thus the deals are more lucrative. If pot were legalized, this factor would actually be regulated, nad dealers will no longer h ave a need to make super strong THC, particularly if growing your own was decriminalized.
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Wow, this has been a very hot thread.
Is this funny for anyone else or did I just smoke too much pot? -
If you read my blog and still can't stop laughing, it's the pot.
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Ok, I'll give that a shot.
But first, I need to go get some tacos -
I love tacos
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damn you! Now all I can think about are choco-tacos
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Now that's what I'm talking 'bout Willis
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I dunno, but pass me the darned bowl already.
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I need Doritos.
And some soda.
Par quick -
Chocolate covered Doritos
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You know at first that sounded all eww, but now that you mention it...
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See, a few hits later and I am master chef
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That's the power of the plant
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I really want a chocotaco, do they still make them?
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ekim941 maybe you have a pregnant wife...:)-
If I do, I don't know about it
Crap, maybe I'm pregnant. Time to inform the girlfriend. -
Ekim I have told you before a hand cannot legally be classed as a girl friend.
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LOL....maybe you can be on Oprah
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I used to smoke a lot of pot and at that time I was very responsible. I worked 75-80 hours a week and never once called out. I have become a very successful person and the only reason I stopped smoking was because of my job as a bus driver. Though I do not need the job I keep it for entertainment and loyalty to my boss. I get randomly tested and if any kind of incident happens involving the vehicle I get tested. I understand in an accident but this also includes hitting a deer (personally I think the deer should be tested, it ran in front of the bus ) or even a tree branch falling on the bus! Guess I would have to be a drug addict to not foresee a tree branch falling off the tree and hitting the bus jeesh -
Chicky
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that's the impression I got too Violet.
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No I am not saying that I would drive after smoking. My point was that I used to smoke everyday and was still more responsible then alot of people who are against it. I stopped 6 years ago when I started driving bus and I find no real reason to start again even if I finally decided to leave my job. It wasn't because I felt the need to grow up as I was more grown up then some adults who do not smoke. Oh and I act more like a spoiled immature kid now then I did then
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Live life however you wanna,
But don't forget to smoke marijuana.
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If a simple flower can be the significance of life, What harm can be in a little weed!!
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"Am I the only one that thinks that marijuana users that are over, say, 25ish need to grow up and move on? Is their continued substance use an indicator of arrested emotional development?"
It looks to me that you've hit the nail right on the head.-
from a pharmacist.
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With personal experience. ;-)
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Shall we substitute "alcohol" for marijuana in that first sentence? How does it play out now?
Seems to me that some people on this thread are not making a distinction between "use" and "abuse." They are very different. -
It would probably play out the same, except that alcohol use isn't illegal.
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But alcohol use is far worse for many reasons.
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"!SweetViolet
Shall we substitute "alcohol" for marijuana in that first sentence? How does it play out now?
Seems to me that some people on this thread are not making a distinction between "use" and "abuse." They are very different."
If you want to start a thread about people and alcohol I'd be happy to contribute.
Why stop at alcohol to justify marijuana use.
What about people who screw their lives up through bad marriages, debt, religion or even natural disasters. I know - they are not relevant to the topic in hand.-
How about changing the original question to something more appropriate like:
"Am I the only one that thinks that immature people that are over, say, 25ish need to grow up and move on?
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Is somebody affecting your life by smoking or are you just happy trying to get people riled up? It just seems like you are way to into bashing people for doing it. I feel that what people do with their lives is their business, it is their life not mine.
edit this is for Bernie
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Mary Jane is the work of the devil. LOL. Millions die every year from it. Seriously though, I know a few decent, emotionally fully developed grown ups who enjoy MJ and treat others with decency, respect and live good lives.
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Hi Chicky
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Move on to what? Cocktails? Dinner parties? Some other age approved method of socializing? Aside from the medical aspects, passing around a joint while discussing current events is no different than doing it with a scotch on the rocks in your hand. That's why the time has come for vacations to cannabis friendly destinations. -
Yeah, they should just grow up and start blogging.
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