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Men fighting over Religions..Why not abolish them all?
Posted by piodalcin • 9/06/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: God, people, Religions, Worship
Since the dawn of human race people have fought to assert that their Religion was right. The fighting brought and it is bringing pain and sufferings to all men on earth.
Why could we not abolish ALL religions (i'm not saying atheism) and try to learn about God's view from other people from other nations instead of cutting each other throat.?
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Sounds good to me--generally speaking, organized religion creates walls between people, preventing peace on earth rather than helping to create it.-
So do football teams and rock bands... -
hang on, lets go easy on the rock bands, thee's a few good guitar players in there and they are a bit sensitive -
Nothing to do with the front men. People just like to fight over stuff, and they are something to fight over.
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I guess once something is outlawed or wildly expensive it becomes more attractive to some people, so I'm not sure it will work. -
It is an interesting concept. Not the abolishment of religion. The Communists in Russia tried that.. didn't work too well.
But to learn from others, to actually LISTEN to what their texts and stories are saying..
Maybe when you combine all the scriptures, you'll be able to pull out the REAL universal truths.
Oh wait, no.. im back at comparative religion studies again.. lol-
Relatively, Russia and the ex-Soviet states have very low rates of people identifying with a religion.
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I never could understand why people still fight over a dry patch of land in the desert that can't even grow a tomato on. I mean let it go already.
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Because for some people there simply isn't anything better at hand to fight over.
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@DaneMorgan..Lmao..you're right.
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I guess it's a good idea -- but you can't ban something just because it causes conflict. I'm definitely not a big fan of organized religion, but I still don't think you can just ban it.
People should have the freedom to believe whatever they want, no matter how ridiculous it might seem to other people.
It's not like religion is the only thing that creates conflict. Should we ban oil? Other natural resources that are scarce? The right to own property? Alcohol? Divergent political opinions?
I know that religion is a huge source of conflict, but I don't think religion is inherently evil, it's just frequently used as a tool to justify violence and conflict to achieve other things. -
It's been tried a time or two. Thing is we fight over that too.
Look, really any time you begin a sentence with men (people) fight over... you could really just stop right there. There really isn't anything we don't fight over, and banning everything seems a little imprudent to me. -
The abolishment of religion cannot take place. Allah/God is stopping the world from doing that and as He is perfect, He is able to do all things He is also successful in stopping us. -
Abolishing all religions is probably just as arrogant an action as some of those that have caused all the pain and suffering you mentioned.
I don't have the answers, I'm just saying.
I like what csiunatc said: "Maybe when you combine all the scriptures, you'll be able to pull out the REAL universal truths." -
Didn't they do that in China and/or Russia ... don't think it worked out too well for them.
Face it, people like religions.
Also...face it, humans will do horrible things and some of those humans will use religion as justification for their horrors. That's the way humans are. -
Because men have a biological need for aggression as a mass group. If not religion, then politics, if not politics, then philosophy. It is how and where the aggression is expressed that needs to be changed.-
BINGO! I agree with you but would prefer that the word "need" was replaced with the word "drive".
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Law and civilization are all about curbing our base instincts. We strive to overcome our animal reactions in order to live together.
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It won't work. -
oh dear goodness... the thread is about abolishing Religion?
I thought it was about Abolishing men!-
Thought the same thing, I was gonna comment that quite a few women I know would be all in favour of that solution
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Religion is an institution created by men. -
You cant abolish them. By doing that, you are taking away their reliance to their 'beliefs'. which could cause more problems. -
instead of abolishing religion, a more plausible thing would be to try to study the religious scriptures of each religion and try to understand them in a better way, which will help in overcoming many of the misconceptions about different religions that lead to violence ... i believe that the many misunderstandings that we have about different religions is one of the major causes for religious violence, and trying to understand them in a better way may lead to lessen this violence to some extent ... i have written a post about this in my blog ... its called,"Religion: Mine Better Than Yours?" ... if interested do have a look at it:
lifepsychologyandalotmore.blogspot.com/2008/05/religion-mine-better-than-yo... -
Believing in nothing else is also a religeon. Following football is a religeon too. So I cannot abolish everything in life. -
I could not agree with you more and it is why My blog tries to bring
people together, not tear them apart. Come see.
thestarthatwouldbegod.blogspot.com/
Many Blessings
goddessnow.multiply.com/ -
IMHO John Lennon got it right:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...-
I'm with you and with Lennon too
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China abolished reincarnation. I'm not sure how well that's being enforced, though. -
The existence of God is not contingent upon the faith of man. God exists. He is and was and is to come. The Alpha and Omega. The Beginning and the end. Forever.
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Banning religion is unenforceable.
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Neither male nor female, neither good nor bad, neither light nor darkness but containing all there is: the universal stream of life giving consciousness [love] flowing through all is called God. Hence, God is found in everyone and in everything; God just keeps on is-ing.
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And impractical! With those fundamentalist loonies, religion is not a cause; it's a symptom. Teach people to think critically and people will stop treating their religion as if it gives them a license to kill people.
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No kidding
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Yes, and then every thing will be all John Lennony, because we never kill each other over anything else....
Koolaid anyone>?
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So are you allowing that those who are religious AND who do not feel they have license to kill people are already capable of thinking critically?
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Dane: Well, they aren't a lost cause.
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Religion is one of the most diabolical things man has ever come up with (yeah, that's right, God and Jesus and all that other stuff are MAN-MADE CONCEPTS!). That so many people still can't see the light (or lackthereof, heh!) is beyond me. I mean we live in an age where knowledge is so freely accessible, and yet people still allow their minds to turn to mush all for the sake of appeasing some fictional being. Really depressing stuff, guys.
I guess it wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to hear about it all the time from nutjobs who are trying to convert me to their cause. Why can't people just leave others alone when it comes to stuff like this, or better yet, become atheists so that we wouldn't have to deal with religious solicitors in the first place? I don't know about you guys, but I'm proud to be an atheist and whenever some Christian nut tries to talk to me about his best friend Jesus I hand him over a copy of Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion (I try to carry it with me for just such occaisions) and show him MY version of "The Good Book." Usuaully they shut up after realizing that science prevails over whimsical imaginings of people long dead.-
Bad idea. The God Delusion is NOT a good first book to hand a Christian Indoctrinator. Start with "The Demon-Haunted World" by Carl Sagan.
P.S. Your wording makes you sound outraged. People here might not respond well to that. -
I assure you I speak from only the most appropriate academic distance; it's just hard not to sound passionate when it's something that I deal with almost every day.
I've had great success with The God Delusion but I suppose not everyone whose spent their entire lives believing in God can stand Dawkins. -
Sagan -> Dawkins -> Hitchens
That's the order you want to go if your goal is to make someone never bother you again, and shake up their faith at the same time. -
That's an interesting sequence you present. I suppose I shall test it out on my latest "convert," even though I still stand by my opinion that Dawkins is a great read no matter how indoctrinated with lies the reader is.
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If you don't have an analytical mind (which we assume everyone has), Dawkins won't work on these people.
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Heh, those people don't like anal anything.
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Religion is not the CAUSE of killing. Or even of Proselytizing. Democrats and Republicans both Proselytize right here all the time without needing any religion to prompt them. Unless we can consider the state to be a form of religion and the political process a faction of waring gods. But there are Christians and Atheists on BOTH sides of that fight.
people find all kinds of nifty reasons to kill with no particular religious beliefs or faith whatsoever.
For every Extreme Muslim terrorist there are hundreds of thousands of peacful law abiding unassuming wonderful Muslims who would be beyond pleasant to spend a day with.
Same for Christians, Jews and any other religion out there. Well, maybe the Mars Cult had a different dynamic than that, but then, they aren't likely to be knocking on your door or blowing up school children.
Violence is a violence problem. Trying to tie it to religion and singing platitudes about peace in the absence of religion is not very intellectually honest, or at the least not very well thought out.
It's also rather interesting that in speaking about your distaste for Christians sharing their beliefs with your, you boast of your converts. If you really feel that they are so despicable, why are you adopting their language? Why not hold to your own? it would be understandable if you were speaking to a Christian and using their language to transfer your ideas, but presumably this was an exchange between two of the already initiated.
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