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    In 2007 there were reports that a team of world-leading neuroscientists developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person’s brain and read their intentions before they act. I decided to track down the media reports and discovered an excellent video as well.

    This research broke controversial new ground in scientists’ ability to probe people’s thoughts, and raises serious ethical issues over how brain-reading technology may be used in the future.

    The team used high-resolution brain scans to identify patterns of activity before translating them into meaningful thoughts, revealing what a person planned to do in the near future. It is the first time scientists have succeeded in reading intentions in this way.

    Read more and watch the video here ->
    thistimethisspace.com/2009/07/14/mindreading-no-thought-pattern-recognition...

    Discussion:
    cindygeenotes: "Scientific breakthroughs holds the promise of powerful advancements for brain injury treatment and therapies, behavioral sciences (such as understanding autism, addiction, etc)and even aptitude identification in education and training. But all of this is a slippery slope – mind reading technologies could also be used to manipulate, to control or to invade privacy. This is the paradox of progress, is it not?"

    What do you think about this scientific advancement? How do you think it may affect you?



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  1. Stillthinking
    Wasn't there talk about this being utilized as an anti-terrorism security measure at airports?
    1. timethief
        Was it? I didn't know that. My interest stemmed from the head injury I suffered last year, and all the testing, scanning, etc. I've been going through.
  2. celticmusicfan
    There is always the yin and yang in Science. But i want to see the good in it. Wouldn't it be nice to know what you would turn into. Knowing beforehand would help one in making sure that no one is hurt. The human mind has always been unpredictable. We have read about reports regarding a 'very quiet and friendly person' turning into a raving lunatic and killing people indiscriminately.
    1. timethief
        I believe it can be used for gaining a deeper understanding of autism, Altzheimers, ADD, ADHS, brain injuries, head injuries and their effects just to name a few areas.

        I am glad that the medicos who look after me are able to use brain scanning imagery in my case for this past year, because just a decade ago that would not have been the case.

        I hope people actually do click through and watch the video as I feel doing so will dispel some concerns.
    2. celticmusicfan
      I love the angle about using it in legal system and as a marketing tool. yes there is no such thing as 'science fiction'.
    1. timethief
      FWIW I didn't bother to read your comment simply because this is a Shameless Blog Promotion and you didn't bother to click through to read and to watch the video.
    2. harveyavatar
      FWIW, I did go to your blog, and clicked on the link to another blog. I did not watch the video, for the simple reason that I posted it originally on BC.
    3. timethief
      @harveyavatar
      FWIW, I did go to your blog, and clicked on the link to another blog. I did not watch the video, for the simple reason that I posted it originally on BC.

        I'm confused for these reasons:
        (1) the video is embedded in my blog post. It's not located on the other blog I linked to.

        (2) Your avatar does NOT appear in my BC Recent Vistors widget.

        (3) I have NOT blocked you or any other BC members avatar ought to be there along with the other emebr's avatars.

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        (4) I was unaware that you had previously posted the video link on BC.
    4. harveyavatar
      @TT,
      I did not say the video appeared on the other blog you linked to.
      I thought you would have seen the video in the thread I linked to, as you had dropped in.
      Not important, anyhow.
    5. timethief
      @harveyavatar
      Your avatar does NOT appear in my BC Recent Vistors widget. I have NOT blocked you or any other BC members, so if you had visited my blog then your avatar ought to be there along with the other members's avatars.

        I conclude that logic suggests that you were not telling the truth when you claimed you had visited my blog. And after I exposed that you then posted comments below aimed at baiting and harassing me.

        I don't wish to communicate with anyone who is inclined to tell tall tales, and I'm aware that harassment is a breach of the BC TOS.
  3. Sam1982
    Sounds a bit like that crap tom cruise film minority report. But how does someone enforce it? they can predict that someone is going to do something bad but can that person be arrested before the act has happened?
    1. timethief
      @Sam
      Thanks for your contribution. In my case that's not at all what the brain imaging was used for so it's interesting to hear people extrapolate on what applications the technology might be used for.
  4. timethief
      Here's an interesting observation. This is a Shamelesss Blog Promotion thread and no one form BC thus far has actually clicked through to my blog post and watched the video -- go figure!

      Maybe I need to start blogging on Jesus or sex? Or maybe I need to bring my private recipes and cooking blog into the public domain. Hmmmm ... [scratching her head].
    1. celticmusicfan
      I clicked hehehehe. or maybe wordpress is having those error reports again?
  5. nothingprofound
    You had several threads going at once, and I thought I clicked into that one. But whichever one I clicked into, I couldn't continue because my daughter suddenly showed up needing my help with a problem.

    I think I discussed with you once before my fascination with the group dynamics here at BC.
    1. timethief
      @nothingprofound
        I do recall discussing group dynamics but not the video. I hope things worked out well for you and your daughter.
  6. Theresa111
    I don't have an opinion on reading thoughts but I have been tuning in on other's thoughts and hearing a bunch of them since I was five years old. It only happens when I least expect it to happen.
    1. timethief
      @Theresa
        I know that one well myself. This is quite different and when you click through to the post and watch the video then you will see what I mean by different.
  7. nothingprofound
    I think everything science can do to better understand how the brain operates is fabulous. But when they start claiming they can predict a person's future actions by their brain waves, then I think they've entered the world of Houdini and Alice in Wonderland.
    1. timethief
      @nothingprofond
      But when they start claiming they can predict a person's future actions by their brain waves, then I think they've entered the world of Houdini and Alice in Wonderland.

      Ahhh ... but that's not what the video is about. And no such claims are being made. Watch it and you will see what I mean.
  8. wagerwitch
    OK - that vid is taking so freaking LOOOOOONG to load up it's killing me.

    (I'm on satellite dial up...)

    Anyhow - here's the deal:

    Every single scientific application has pros and cons.

    It depends on what the item is used for - and WHO has it in their hands and what their intentions are with the item.

    For example:

    A gun is a gun. It is neither good nor bad. It can be used to hunt, warn, protect, kill. It has many uses.

    In the hands of a civilian who is protecting their home --- or hunting - it is a good thing.

    In the hands of a murderer or robber - it is an evil thing.

    So is every machine or invention.

    This has applicable purposes in both ways.

    Like cloning, like EATR, like robots - Like guns - everything can be used or manipulated for good and for bad.

    I do not think anyone can predict future actions - because there are sooooo many variables involved.

    For example:

    I may be REALLY angry right now - at my ex-husband. My brain may want to kill him right now... I am focusing on images of actually strangling him, or shooting him... HOWEVER - my "values" and "goodness" come into play - and I realize - no matter how much I could fantasize about him dying a horrible death - nothing inside me would allow myself to actually cross that line and commit such horrendous crimes.

    OR

    I could be walking into the house - to try and actually kill him - but I step on a kitten's tail - and that makes me realize at that very moment that life is so precious - that I have NO right to kill ANYTHING...

    OR

    I could walk in there and kill him.

    It truly depends on people's conscious thoughts - their society programming (eg; religion, upbringing, values, morals, etc.) But - no one can PRE-DETERMINE what will happen - because there are too many variables that could Change that path.

    Which is why The Minority Report cannot happen.

    There are too many variables which would allow for change or variance on the final outcome.

    Could this machine be used to predict current thoughts?

    Yes.

    Could it become the lie detector of the future?

    Yes.

    Could it become the end of the world???
    Depends on whose hands it is in - and what they use it for.

    Could it have negative effect - YES
    Could it have positive effect - YES

    So - again - the variables are too large to determine if it is a good thing or a bad thing.

    Is being able to read my mind going to affect me?

    Is it invasive?

    It truly depends on who is reading my mind - what they intend to do with the information - and WHY they are reading my mind - but most importantly- IF I ALLOW them to do so.

    Will it advance?

    Most assuredly.

    Will it happen.

    Absolutely.

    Do I have any reason to squash it?

    No.
    1. timethief
      @wagerwitch
        It does seem that some have gone off on a tangent here. This is a consequence of choosing not to click the link and view the video before they stated their POV here, off the top of their heads ... tee hee - pun

        When one is getting a brain scan after a head injury doctors and technicians can now see the various sections of the brain and what the activity levels are occurring in those areas. They can see the responses to certain stimuli and/or lack of responses.

        As it is known which areas control functions this is a very useful tool to detect for example injuries and dysfunctions or malfunctions that otherwise may not have been detectable.
  9. braincatcher
    Just want to share this actually old news yet ongoing development about this technology.

    news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9874515-52.html

    The headset search for a pattern in brainwaves and the program interprets it and convert it into computer commands & operations. This is pattern recognition.

    But what if all the brainwaves patterns were all encoded in a database in the future...now this is mind-reading.

    Invasion of privacy? I think not. Unless they force us to wear something like this mind control headset. And, by that time, brainwave pattern encryption will be invented same as how we protect our computer files.
    1. celticmusicfan
      having a technology where the head looks like a walking picture tube and you can see images there would be cool.
    2. braincatcher
      ...then it should be subject for censorship. I think I saw that in a music video, where people's head is a TV, just can't remember what.
    3. timethief
      @braincatcher
      Thank you ♥ for the link above and your comment as well.
    4. braincatcher
      my pleasure.
  10. celticmusicfan
    I think you are talking about a video by the band Garbage and that's "Push It' from 1997 to be exact . Ha! yes I agree with you.
    oh wait! there's another one by peter gabriel i think.
    1. voodooKobra
      That's just rude, Lexiteen. If you don't want to visit it, don't, but you don't speak for the community, and especially not me.
    2. timethief
      If the community did not wish to visit mu blogs then they wouldn''t be at the top of the blogs in their respective Directory listings and tags.

      This so-called "member" appears to be all mouth and no blog. As she has no blog then she shouldn't be allowed to post here at all.
    3. harveyavatar
      @TT,
      Is that the Lexiteen who pointed out that SW and you go back a loong ways? Wad she say?

      And why shouldn't a member not be allowed to post without having a blog? A member can take a break from blogging and still have interesting things to say on the forum, don't cha think?
    4. Jaybetee
      First, I want to bring up the fact that this member does not have a blog. I don't see an issue with members joining as readers and I think we should encourage people to join who don't have blogs, but enjoy reading blogs and want to find new and interesting ones to read. I think they can be a valuable asset to a community full of people who want people to read what they are writing. I also think that they can contribute just as much to a discussion as someone who doesn't blog.

      That being said, I don't know what the comment was bc it was already deleted when I popped in, but rude comments by anyone--blogger or not---will not be tolerated.
    5. harveyavatar
      I report TT for calling another blogger "plump".

      Edit: Oops, wrong thread!
    6. SweetViolet
      HA: @TT, Is that the Lexiteen who pointed out that SW and you go back a loong ways? Wad she say?

      Do you mean SV? As in SweetViolet? (There is another member here who calls him/herself SV, so you would be well advised to be much more clear on your identifications. Heaven forefend that you should be accusing the wrong people of nefarious deeds!)

      You are referring to a thread that was removed by Admin. As I recall, that thread was a direct and unprovoked personal attack on a fellow BC member, so no explanation was needed...at least to those of us who have functional critical thinking abilities.

      It takes very little of those abilities to deduce that TT and I are different people. A cursory search of the BC discussions will reveal that TT and I often differ on topics but you will note that, unlike certain other members, we have always been able to differ with complete civility. How is that possible? Because I always treat her with respect and vice versa. Try it some time...it can have amazing results!

      Now, I can't view the video because I live in a country that sells bandwidth by the gigabyte and videos take up too much of my precious...and costly...bandwidth. Downloads from outside my country are agonizingly slow and they cause my computer to bog down so that I can do little else while the download is occurring. So, unless it is something critical...like a software update...I simply do not do downloads or videos. And now you understand why I have not added to this thread...I can't watch the video and since watching the video is critical to making a meaningful contribution to this thread I have stayed out of it until you decided to take my name in vain. It should also serve as proof that I am not TT...she can do videos...I can't.

      Now, don't you feel foolish, implying that TT, in western Canada and I, in South Africa, are the same person?
    7. timethief
      @Jaybetee
      I disagree with your POV on the subject of regarding BC members without blogs posting to the BC forums.

      In part you state above: "... they can be a valuable asset to a community full of people who want people to read what they are writing. I also think that they can contribute just as much to a discussion as someone who doesn't blog."

      That's a nice theory but what we have witnessed is the opposite. What we have witnessed is BC members who do not have active blogs registered at BC have nothing to lose, when it comes to personally attacking other members who do have active blogs.

      When that happens there is frequently a negative effect on the stats of the member being attacked. It takes hours for Admin to get around to deleting comments and threads that contain personal attacks, and there does not appear to be consistency when it comes to such deletions being made, after the damage has been done.

      That's why I think that those members who don't have active blogs registered at BC should NOT be allowed to post to the BC forums.
  11. AngieA
    Technically she is allow to drop in and share in the community, but NO she is not allowed to drop in and lay down some _________.

    Sorry couldn’t help myself.
    1. AngieA
      Suddenly I kind of felt like the lady that walks her dog around the neighborhood here with a pair of latex gloves and a little baggie. lol
    2. timethief
      Thank you for disposing of it.
    3. harveyavatar
      wrong place
  12. Rainhat
    @Timethief

    If I may interject a small comment on what was written earlier in this thread that I reacted to:

    "I conclude that logic suggests that you were not telling the truth when you claimed you had visited my blog. And after I exposed that you then posted comments below aimed at baiting and harassing me.

    I don't wish to communicate with anyone who is inclined to tell tall tales, and I'm aware that harassment is a breach of the BC TOS."

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but a user's avatar would only appear in the widget if that user is logged in at that moment? And anyone can view profiles and discussions without being logged in, you just can't post anything without logging in first.
    Also, if there's something I learned from working as a software tester, it is to *never* trust a program or a computer.

    Of course, this doesn't prove that harvey *did* visit your blog, but since the lack of an avatar in your widget can be quite easily explained, isn't calling someone a liar because of it a tad bit hasty?
    1. timethief
        Thanks for your observation. You're correct in assuming that if a member is not signed in to BC then their avatar does not display in the Recent Visitors widget and on the appropriate BC page recording Recent Visitors.

        However, as I observed that the member in question later pointed to a thread that contained false allegations and was deleted by Admin, I concluded there may be an intent to harrass me. Only time will tell whether or not a pattern of harassment exists. And it's my prerogative to suspend all communication with this member at this time.
    2. Rainhat
      No argument there. And harassment should indeed not be tolerated.
    3. timethief
        Agreed. Now setting that noise aside, lol ... Did you watch the video ... (she asked with a big grin.)
    4. harveyavatar
      @TT,

      Out of all the BC members, you would be the last I'd think did not know you can visit a blog from the BC platform withouth actually being logged in. Seems like you were playing a mind game of some sort, instead of taking in account the comments which I had posted and which were in direct relation to the OP.

      What "false allegations" do you speak of? Can you be more precise? What thread was that, and why was it removed? - I'm not 100 per cent sure we are speaking of the same thing.

      My last comments were destined to lighten up the atmosphere somewhat. As Rainhat points out, you are the one calling me a liar. You also called another member a "plump little garbage mouth". How you turn this around to insinuate that there is a harrassement of some sort on my part is just... mind boggling.

      To finish on a more bumorous note, it would make things much easier if I could read your mind.
    5. harveyavatar
      "And harassment should indeed not be tolerated."

      Indeed, Rainhat, and I am not the one who IN THE PAST has sent abusive shouts to other members - I was hoping to finish on a joyful note, this needs to be said, au regard the insinuations directed towards me.

      Back to the regularly scheduled program.
    6. Rainhat
      I did. And I must say it's fascinating, but quite scary. A technology like this opens up incredible possibilities for invasion or privacy and abuse. At the moment they can only recognize if you're thinking about a hammer or an igloo, etc. but I assume it's only a matter of time before it becomes refined enough to actually recognize thoughts that aren't predefined. And once it gets there, it's seems like a pretty short leap to someone making it a requirement to take a scan before being allowed omboard an airplane, for example. Take it one step further and you'll have the thought police from 1984. To use the spiderman quote: with great power comes great responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people (or governments) are quite as responsible as one might like, and this would indeed be a pretty staggering amount of power... In sweden, a branch of the military intel already has the power (a law passed this year) to monitor absolutely any and all forms of communication that passes the nation's borders. Email, cell and regular phone calls, etc. all justified by the "search for threats against national security." They can read every word of this message, if they choose to. If they can use this mind reading technology to monitor even more, there's no doubt in my mind they will use it as much as they possibly can without hesitation.
    7. celticmusicfan
      I was shocked to see harvey's comment here. this is about 'mind reading' stuff and I can read insults all over your words. I deslike it .

      @Rainhat qoute:technology like this opens up incredible possibilities for invasion or privacy and abuse

      Indeed. If it gets to wrong hands then we don't know what damage it can do. Good it it falls ONLY on the hands of good law enforcement officers. But what if it's the other way around? Oh well, it's too soon to speculate. Let's see what happens in the next 20 years.
    8. harveyavatar
      @Celticmusicfan,

      Please play closer attention to who is insulting who before leveling accusations. This would save me from having to waste still more time on a sterile discussion. Thank you much, in advance.

      While I'm at it, even if it is a minor detail, I think it would be proper blogging etiquette to credit the discovery of a video to the blogger who posted the same video in another thread a few days earlier - not that it matters, just proper etiquette.

      Now, I have enough time on BC to know that some like to accuse others of their misdeeds, and twisting things around, all whilst covering their tracks, with a final aim of having them "expelled". So if you don't mind, I'm off to the the thread where members playfully report each other... or better yet, I'm spending the evening away from the computer.
  13. exit2013
    Whether it's sci-fi or sci-fact, it's scary as hell. There will be no privacy in the future!
  14. JonnyDunMind
    Thats brilliant. I particularly like the bit when he's asked whos approached him to use it for military/ intelligence purposes, and he admits, "um, Germany."
    1. celticmusicfan
      @harveyavatar :I think being away from the computer and having the time with yourself is a good idea.It works better for the brain pattern. peace!

      @JonnyDunMind: I won't be surprise that Germany is very much keen in technology. I don't know much about tech stuff but I know that the electronic music as we know it today is the result of German creativity.
  15. FreakSmack
    was the video from 07 too?
    1. timethief
      No, it's from January 7, 2009 and can bee seen here:
      cnettv.cnet.com/60-minutes-mind-reading/9742-1_53-50004855.html
    2. FreakSmack
      I watched it on the original link you posted. It didn't work at first but I got it to work on my second attempt though. I see it's gone now. I don't like the idea of this one bit. Not the tech's fault though. The bad will always come from the human using it.
    3. timethief
      Gosh ... it's not gone for me. When I click the link I get the video on the CNET site. Here's the link to the same one at youtube
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jc8URRxPIg&feature=PlayList&p=272824DA2300F02C&pla...
    4. FreakSmack
      No, I meant it's gone from "this time this space" now. That's where I watched it.
    5. timethief
        Ahhh ... now I know what you mean. Sorry I didn't get it on the first go-around. I'm renovating the blog and possibly moving it too, so I removed the video embed from my post, and inserted the link to the same video instead.
  16. celticmusicfan
    It is still there. it must be a connection issue. There are times when page could not be displayed if there is intermittent connection issue.
  17. FreakSmack
    I see a link to go watch it, I may be losing it, but, I could have swore there was a player on the blog.
    1. timethief
      You were not hallucinating. The embed was there but isn't now. I replaced the embed with the link to the video instead. See my comment above ^
  18. celticmusicfan
    *goes and checks*
  19. timethief
      "Researchers using MRI imaging have gone from studying peoples' brains to identifying specific thoughts, allowing them to tell which of 10 similar objects a person is viewing or thinking about.

      Functional MRI imaging has shown a lot about how our brains respond to pleasure and rewards, and has revealed brain processes and areas involved in deception. And neuroscientists have been wiring the brain's motor neurons to enable paralyzed patients to control prosthetics, computers and robots. But the new research is aimed at the biology underlying thoughts-- or, as scientists call them, "cognitive processes."

      Carnegie Mellon cognitive psychologist Marcel Just teamed up with machine learning expert Tom Mitchell to conduct the research. They scanned the brains of people who looked at sets images of similar objects-- like 10 types of tools, or 10 types of homes.

      The researchers excluded the vision area of the brain from the scans 'because it's almost too easy a target,' explains Just. 'The visual cortex really contains a very faithful, accurate representation of a shape that your looking at-- whatever is on your retina gets translated to your visual cortex at the back of your brain. And if you look for that pattern, that's a lot easier, so we can be very accurate there.'

      They reported in the journal PLoS One that once the program learned these subtle differences from a group of people's brains, it could accurately tell which of ten similar objects a new volunteer was thinking of.

      'The biggest news here is in field of cognitive neuroscience,' Mitchell says. 'Whereas people had previously known you could use MRI to distinguish the patterns of brain activity for broad categories of objects within a single person-- so within a single person you could determine if somebody was looking at some kind of tool versus some kind of building, the news here is that we can go to a much finer grain distinction-- we can distinguish hammer from screwdriver-- and furthermore, we can do this across people.'

      This research was published online in PLoS One, January 2008, and funded by the W.M. Keck Foundation and the National Science Foundation."
      www.plosone.org/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1371/jou...
  20. celticmusicfan
    I would not be surprise if MRI follows television technology in a sense that the imaging becomes very detailed and clear. i can see how Science fuses diffrent field of studies to create something new. For instance before we used to study the Universe through the telescope. Now we are studying it by going deeper into earth bound particles so we may able to determine the evolution of the universe as we see it now. It is the same with Neuro-Science and Physics as well. The brain is a very complex organ.
  21. AainaA
    After having read ... the idea is interesting but far from reality - assumptions and 'predictions' by scientists measuring neurons are not a way to peep into the window of the 'soul' so to speak - let alone comprehend the nature of comprehension in the first place.

    Not every human thinks with imageries, and not every image can be detected if one's 'mind' is or are on different levels of comprehension.

    "“To do this, we used and optimised a 'decoding algorithms', which is a mathematical method to infer the stimulus from the neuronal firing. We also needed to optimise our recording and data processing tools to record simultaneously from as many neurons as possible. Currently we are able to record simultaneously from up to 100 neurons in the human brain.

    “In these experiments we presented a large database of pictures, and discovered that we can predict what picture the subject is seeing far above chance. So, in simple words, we can read the human thought from the neuronal activity.

    “Once we reached this point, we then asked what are the most fundamental features of the neuronal firing that allowed us to make this predictions. This gave us the chance of studying basic principles of neural coding; i.e. how information is stored by neurons in the brain.

    “For example, we found that there is a very limited time window in the neuronal firing that contains most of the information used for such predictions. Interestingly, neurons fired only 4 spikes in average during this time window. So, in another words, only 4 spikes of a few neurons are already telling us what the patient is seeing.” "

    source - www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071206222634.htm
    1. timethief
      @AainaA
      Thanks so much for posting this. I didn't notice it yesterday but just found it now and clicked through.
  22. easyways
    Well, thoughts are not physical things, they really do not "know" what they are or where they are. Can you catch a thought, can or bottle it, measure it, disect it and regenerate? Patterns are one thing.

    Try building a human being from chemicals and compounds that make up our bodies etc. Not likely going to happen like that. Put them all into a pickle jar, shake it up, let it combine and presto out comes a human being. Try to manufacture the brain and beyond that the mind.
    1. timethief
      Try building a human being from chemicals and compounds that make up our bodies etc. Not likely going to happen like that. Put them all into a pickle jar, shake it up, let it combine and presto out comes a human being. Try to manufacture the brain and beyond that the mind.

      Are you aware of any research being done on this anywhere in the world today? I'm not. What you state is not what is being discussed in the video I linked to in my post, and in the link I have provided in this Shameless Blog Promotion thread.
  23. thought
    if it becomes true then its really scary. well.. human beings and their deep desire to become god
    1. easyways
      They are already working on that.
    2. timethief
        It seems to me that it's very likely that humans created god(s) to explain the inexplicable, and not the other way around. It also seems to me that the phrase "acting like god" has been used by fear filled traditionalists for millenniums to suppress scientific research development. Thankfully that suppression has been unsuccessful in modern times, because when I suffered a head injury last year there was MRI technology in place to assist my doctors.

        Who is this "they" that you refer to?
        What empirical evidence can you produce that a god or gods actually do exist, and are not just the fanciful inventions of mankind?
  24. AainaA
    If at all there are human beings, in the first place ... could there just be GOD attempting to extend its thoughts into words as a non-reflective thought process, a holographic universe amidst quantum chaos ?
  25. timethief
    AainaA
    If at all there are human beings, in the first place ... could there just be GOD attempting to extend its thoughts into words as a non-reflective thought process, a holographic universe amidst quantum chaos ?


    What a fascinating proposition. Thanks for sharing it.

      The Dream, is the underlying element in Jnana Yoga or Advaitism. Suppose the Universe is a dream in the mind of God and, God plays all parts and pretends that God is not God.

      Suppose every life is the journey from self to SELF, is the journey, where God gradually shakes off the ignorance and reclaims the Divinity, or basically becomes conscious of his/her/its Divine Reality – LOVE.

      Suppose God is also a process. Suppose the mind is not the tool to analyze God. Suppose it never was, never will be, able to do that. Suppose that God has to be experienced, not dissected by the limited human mind. If so, then getting back to the dream, God hasn’t gone anywhere,or done anything, but is still seated in the same spot and has dreamed him/her/itself as ignorance.

      Why?

      Suppose God- THE ONE becomes many to experience LOVE. Suppose his/her/iys dream is nothing but a quest for LOVE, throughout out time (I use that term loosely), the ONE puts on the garb of billions of beings to experience this.

      Suppose neither male nor female, neither good nor bad, neither light nor darkness but containing all there is and situate everywhere: the universal stream of consciousness flowing through all is God. Hence, God is found in everyone and in every thing; God just keeps on dreaming and loving.

      Suppose we have only one life in this body at this point in time, but again and again, we return to live in a new body with no recollection of previous lives, until we become ONE with GOD (LOVE).
  26. Shiley
    Movies are loosely based on scientific fact or theory. This reminds me of Minority Report. It's kind of creepy too.

    I think there eventually will be flaws and innocent people hurt. Maybe I've seen one too many movies.
    1. timethief
      @Shirley
        FWIW this thread is not about a movie. The video is about a team of world-leading neuroscientists who used high-resolution brain scans to identify patterns of activity before translating them into meaningful thoughts, revealing what a person planned to do in the near future.
    2. Shiley
      Minority Report was about police officials who knew what the crime was going to be before it happened. For some reason or other they could read thoughts and could predict crime. I know it's not a movie that was the first thought that entered my brain and it creeps me out.

      I would not want someone reading my thoughts. Nothing is perfect and everything can make mistakes. It's invasive and worse than a peeping Tom.
    3. timethief
        I had no problem at all with doctors using the MRI scans. Currently, MRI is the most sensitive imaging test of the head (particularly in the brain) in routine clinical practice. I experienced a mild claustrophobia an that was it.

        Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is a noninvasive medical test that helps physicians diagnose and treat medical conditions. MR imaging uses a powerful magnetic field, radio frequency pulses and a computer to produce detailed pictures of organs, soft tissues, bone and virtually all other internal body structures. The images can then be examined on a computer monitor, printed or copied to CD. MRI does not use ionizing radiation (x-rays).

        Detailed MR images allow physicians to better evaluate various parts of the body and certain diseases that may not be assessed adequately with other imaging methods such as x-ray, ultrasound or computed tomography (also called CT or CAT scanning).

        EEG equipment, PET scans and MRI machines
        www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZTAAIt3QU

        How the Body Works : The Regions of the Brain
        www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6KpIrKCDwg&feature=related
  27. tcinvestor
    A fine discussion. I used to research the Hypothalamus where we looked at motivations and emotions. The lead professor had developed new brain mapping technology to assist in aiding the study of learning disabilities(primarily Dyslexia at the time)and Ohio State was going to take that technology and expand on it to investigate other learning disabilities & brain damage. That was in 1988. Things have continued to progress quite rapidly as the brain still is the final frontier in investigative human discovery. I left you a comment on your blog. I particularly liked the response from the lead researcher as he laughingly said with an ear to ear grin.."yes, to see..how..yea we are not satisfied with hammer". This is the exact scope of risk with technological advancement & discoveries...we do not first develop the wisdom to know and understand the implications of that technology..researchers and scientists just plow forward like giddy little kids not caring about the effects of that work...I give you genetic engineering, nanoparticle utilization, synthetic living organisms and atomic research. Although very beneficial, we began to utilize these technologies without fully understanding or vetting the risk associated with doing so. This has legal, moral, health and human rights issues all in the fray. I welcome all advancement of technology but welcome the growth in wisdom of humanity first. Somehow that wisdom needs to play catch up with technological advancement.
    1. timethief
      @rcinvestor
      Although very beneficial, we began to utilize these technologies without fully understanding or vetting the risk associated with doing so. This has legal, moral, health and human rights issues all in the fray. I welcome all advancement of technology but welcome the growth in wisdom of humanity first. Somehow that wisdom needs to play catch up with technological advancement.

      Thanks so much for your comment here and on my post as well.
    1. timethief
      Wow! pretty shallow link drop ...

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