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Obama's global marxism is not just campaign fodder.
Posted by caseybmyers • 8/18/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: global poverty act, marxism, obama
Change that you can believe in?
I guess it is, if your a marxist!
"The Global Poverty Act will commit .7 of US GNP, which, over 13 years would amount to $845 billion to the United Nations. The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending. A report by Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media states: 'In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child,' he said.
Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the "Millennium Project," confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.
Those U.N. protocols would make US law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims."
The Global Poverty Act passed the House last October – on a Voice vote – no record of who voted or how! It is now up to the Senate – and the Citizens! We urge you to instruct your senators to vote NO on the Global Poverty Act (S 2433).
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The question is, has this green beast at least read his Marx and know how silly the Obama-Marx association sounds?
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Yeah. Marx's idea of communism wasn't bad... just unachievable.
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It was bad too imo. Das Kapital wasn't even completed. The parts that were completed, weren't good.
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Why is it that the notion of eradicating poverty, being responsible with te planet we live on, and wanting rights to be equal for everyone always deemed "Marxist" and used in a pinko-commie-scum tone of voice?
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Psst. You're talking to a Republican.
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Your new avatar doesn't do your sarcasm justice
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Actually, I don't think that that's a Republican, or at least not one in the main stream. The Marxist association is usually made by types who think the state spending $1.00 per annum on all social services combined total amounts to an infringement on our rights and is therefore shocking tyranny.
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Okay, make that a "Radical Republican." They're the square-roots of Conservatism, y'know.
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It's not tyranny, then?
::shocked::
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Obama was the silent Marx brother, the one with the curly blonde hair and a horn.-
@aningeniousname: Oh now I get it! This post is about Obama's sense of humor and the Marx brothers. Thanks for the clarification. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtc9a4TgRus
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Badum-dum, tsh!
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That's him formulating his new middle east policy initiatives, he is like Sherlock Homes in that he does his best thinking while playing an instrument.
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Obviously what our friend caseybmyers is saying here is "I don't know what a Marxist is but Ronald Reagan said they're bad and Rush Limbaugh says Obama's one."
The rest of you need to stop being so difficult.-
ROFLMAO
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... but it's so much fun, and so damn easy!
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DrJay, have you ever considered going into the translation business?
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Redistribution of wealth through more “progessive taxation” (which is Karl Marx’s term), and universal healthcare (to both legal citizens and illegal aliens), are about as left-winged as you can get, way off the charts; Obama having the most liberal voting record in the Senate wants to send our money to the poor people around the world. He wants the UN to handle this redistribution of wealth, our wealth!
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ROFLMAO
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Left-wing is not Marxism. I'm probably the first to tell you this, but it's true!
Marxism is its own philosophy. A very liberal person is not by default a Marxist; and labeling them as one will get you labeled as a McCarthyist. -
Damn commie!
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ROFLMAO *Snort* HAhahahahahahahahahheeheeehee
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See also: xkcd.com/256/
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this administration is sending millions to the poor people in iraq, about $3 billion a week,? So that makes them commies too, right! -
@caseybmyers,What's so wrong with sending money to the poor? Let's give them at least a tiny miniscule slice of the big juicy pie ...
@voodooKobra, the map's hilarious!!! -
Regarding Karl Marx and progressive taxation, Adam Smith had the idea way before Marx. He wrote in The Wealth of Nations:
"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion." From Wikipedia.
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Sounds like the racist and conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi talking. www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6504
Think I'll go back to Duck Soup. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDJgPCNzt5E
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_soup
Hey Kobra, where's Freedonia on that map? -
Explain to this dumb ole' conservative what the goal of Obama's bill is. Is it because he is just nice or does he want to give our money away? I have not heard one of you defend his bill.
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Why defend the bill when we can pick apart your silly arguments?
[Explain to this dumb ole' conservative what the goal of Obama's bill is.]
Have you read the bill in detail? If your criticisms are not rooted in fact, I'm not going to take them seriously.
"Not every grammatically correct English sentence deserves attention. What is the smell of hope?" - Richard Dawkins (paraphrased) -
OUr current adminsration is giving away $3 billion a week to those poor iraqi's.
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That's because we are too busy mocking you.
The moment you broke out the McCarthyism was the moment you determined the fate of this thread -
Casey, no one can take you seriously if you call Obama a "Marxist" and say he is on the radical "fringe". Such blanket and ill-informed statements make a conversation about legitimate policy issues impossible. Your concern might be worth talking about, but your headline and other statements preclude rational conversation on the matter. Just saying.
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besides all that Mark, it would seem that someone has spiked the forum with silly juice, anyway
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Unbelieveable! Yesterday globalgirl when called me a communist I observed that she was living proof that McCarthyism is alive and well in deep and dark recesses of the fluff witted mind. Today caseymyers has volunteered to provide living proof that McCarthyism, is alive and well in deep and dark recesses of the fluff witted minds of Obama bashers.
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Are you honestly surprised at all? Are you? 'Cause I'm not.
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Oh it is alive and well and kicking rather furiously, TT. I am hoping that all of the thrashing is indicative of death throes, but I could be mistaken
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@timethief: I'm still not sure if they're really serious. This could be just baiting and Kobra's initial response might have been the most appropriate. But it's hard to say.
Give me some more Marx, this time really Marx and Engels: "“The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.” (Theses on Feuerbach, 1845) -
I just got up so my surprise may be due to confusion. However, now that my mind is clearing I recognize that Obama bashers are McCarthyists.
It appears that a paranoid half-wit gave them a piece of his mind in 1949, and they held on to it. -
Well, and don't forget the groups that hate anyone who dare oppose the administration, the war, or anything they seem to like.
I've been called a commie so many times I started wearing red, just to be a brat And believe you me, they were serious about it 
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I still think you're bringing Senator McCarthy into disrepute by associating his understanding of Communism with Casey's.
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I think comparing to Marxism is a stretch but giving up our sovereignty as a nation is very bad.
According to the framers of the constitution, it is not the job of our government to eradicate poverty in our nation or any other. Do you see how our government handles things? Yikes! And do you see how the U.N. handles things?
By the way, as far as eradicating poverty goes, no other president in our history has done more to try and eradicate poverty in Africa than George W. Bush (scary huh?).
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This does not amount to "giving up our sovereignty" either. Welcome to Casey's Club.
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ignorance can be remedied - stupidity is forever
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Bowing to an international organization is bad.
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Who founded the UN in whose interest? What short memories we have. Or maybe here's another case of not reading any history.
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Giving an international organization ANY percentage of our GNP is bad. When you take something from someone against their will and give it to someone else its called robbery. I don't care who founded the UN. That is not in dispute here. What is in dispute is a failing policy that people keep shoveling money into and if you oppose that policy you get bashed as heartless or stupid.
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Dlowe, you are arguing the point as if we actually have a say in what the government does with our taxes, anyway.
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I am saying we should. We do have a choice of the leaders we pick. If a leader pledges big sums of money to someone then we probably shouldn't have them in.
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That's all well and good - and believe me, I agree with you.
But like my wise father used to say:
"Spit in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster".
What we should and could have are not in fact what we do have, and the illusion of choice by voting is just that, an illusion. -
My mom used to say the same thing but instead of a "p" there was an "h".
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Oh....
I think I like my dad's version better
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So I can assume that you all suppport this redistribution of wealth? What dogma supports redistribution of wealth?
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LOL, dude, keep trying, keep trying. One day someone will take your bait
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I support redistribution of wealth on a voluntary basis (i.e. giving to charity)
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@Casaey: On this level? No dogma. Just read your Constitution.
Of course, I believe the conservative Supreme Court has overreached on one issue relating to property: affirming jurisdictions right to use eminent domain to take away people's houses and hand them over to developers. But I'm old fashioned like that, Democratic or something.
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and here i'd been afraid to open this heinous, hateful thread. ya'll made my day now.
mccarthyism ...
once upon a time i liked uncle walt. then i grew up. i still love cartoons - just not him and not his.-
You're welcome
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i almost removed this thread thinking nothing good would come of it. -
lol, dan. that was my thought when i first saw it as well.
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More Marx, utterly silly and shameless: markstoneman.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/the-limits-of-philosophy/
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Lololol The German captain Nobby Hegel, Haven't seen that sketch in years.
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Priceless!
Nietzsche getting booked for arguing
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I think this is why Marx has such a bad reputation in America, the funny thing is that it is not at all unamerican.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDTAqsMNEM-
Buwahahahahaha
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dlowe, good point, charity is one thing, forced redistribution of wealth is quite another.
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Yeah, you should probably go that route instead of using incendiary terms like "communism" which is accusing people of not being patriotic. I believe all of the people in this thread who is an American loves America. I believe their hearts are in the right place as far as eradicating poverty which I fully support.
I just doubt the governments (or governments of other countries) of being able to solve the problem. I think they need to step aside and let the people do it. I have about 10 years of experience working for government agencies (including social service agencies) and I have seen their shortcomings. You can all call me ignorant and arrogant but I have built houses with my own hands in New Orleans while FEMA had trailers sitting thousands of miles away helping no one. I had large groups of friends drop everything and head to Indonesia after the tsunami with tools to rebuild, fully self funded. Our church is building a hospital in India and funds an orphanage with no government help.
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See, Dlowe, now you're hitting on all eight.
I believe you have inspired another post
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Oh oh. Is that a threat? :-P
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I may even link you!
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OK, NOW I'm scared!
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All you bloody commies having a go at a true American hero like McCarthy makes me feel physically sick, If it wasn't for McCarthy we wouldn't have this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1str-3iRSw
Just think about that next time you are burning the stars and stripes and complaining about perpetual war!-
You'll never get me you commie bastards!!
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You do right to run away! Do you think you can walk into downtown Pyongyang and rent an uncensored copy of that??? Do you???? Well let me tell you my naive friend you can't!!!
Quality entertainment like that his reserved for the likes of Mr Kim Jong Il and his politburo buddies. -
Can you believe they made a sequel?
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That's what sweet sweet freedom is all about my friend, that's what it is all about (Insert star spangled banner here)
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God bless America!!!
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Damn right! And anyone who doesn't deserves to be lined up against a wall and shot for hating freedom.
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Thhhbbbppppppt!
I fart in the general direction of your freedom! -
Bloody commie ninjas, I'd like to cart you all off to some secret location and make you form naked pyramids, but after that I would definitely have to punish you in some way. Democracy isn't all fun and games!
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Since we're talking Marx and McCarthy, here's an American Cold War instructional film: "Make Mine Freedom," www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5eqNai4zhQ. Kinda strange the way it attacks "ism" in general, since liberalism and conservatism have honorable enough pedigrees. On the other hand, its criticism of false divisiveness sounds a lot like Obama's campaign rhetoric.
Warning: the statistics in this film are from the olden days and may not be used to support any political stances today, unless you want to look foolish. -
U.S. Gets as Much as it Gives to the U.N.
by Thalif Deen
Published on Thursday, August 10, 2006 by the Inter Press Service
www.ipsnews.net/
UNITED NATIONS - The United States, which pays 22 percent of the U.N.'s regular annual budget of 1.8 billion dollars, has arrogantly demanded a dominant voice in management and administration -- primarily because it is the biggest single financial contributor to the world body.
"U.N. member states, and particularly its largest contributors, want to know if they are getting the most value for the dollars they contribute," says Mark P. Lagon, the U.S. deputy assistant secretary for international organisation affairs.
"People who look to the United Nations for help want to know that, too," he told the Committee on International Relations of the U.S. House of Representatives early this year.
But what he failed to tell the committee is what the United States, in turn, extracts from the United Nations -- financially and politically.
According to the latest figures released by the U.N., the United States has consistently held the number one spot in grabbing U.N. procurement contracts, averaging over 22.5 percent of all U.N. purchases annually.
"On a cost-benefit ratio, the United States gets as much -- or even more -- than what it gives to the United Nations, "says one senior U.N. official who deals with procurement.
In 2002, the United States received 24 percent (194.3 million dollars) of all U.N. contracts, which totaled 812.6 million dollars. In 2003, the corresponding figures were 21.8 percent (194.5 million dollars) out of a total of 891.8 million dollars.
In 2004, the United States took in 24.1 percent (315.8 million dollars) of all U.N. contracts, amounting to a total of 1.3 billion dollars. In 2005, the percentage was 20.4 percent (331.0 million dollars) out of total U.N. purchases of 1.6 billion dollars.. Trailing far behind in second place is Russia, whose contracts were well below the United States: 13.3 percent in 2002 (108.2 million dollars); 10.1 percent in 2003 (90.3 million dollars); 10.7 percent in 2004 (139.9 million dollars) and 7.7 percent in 2005 (125 million dollars).
And Russia pays only 1.1 percent of the U.N.'s regular budget compared with the 22 percent paid by the United States.
The scale of assessments for each of the 192 member states is determined every three years on the basis of "capacity to pay" -- including gross national product.
Ranking behind the United States in budgetary payments are Japan (19.5 percent of the U.N.'s regular budget), Germany (8.6 percent), Britain (6.1 percent), France (6.0 percent) and Italy (4.8 percent). The 25-member European Union, on the other hand, claims it is the largest contributor because collectively it accounts for 37 percent of the budget.
The U.N.'s purchases were primarily for peacekeeping activities, including air transportation services, food rations and catering, chemical and petroleum products, freight forwarding and delivery, motor vehicles and transportation equipment and telecommunications equipment and services.
Besides the U.N. Secretariat, New York City also hosts several U.N. agencies, including the U.N. Development Programme (UNDP), the U.N.'s children agency UNICEF and the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA).
According to former New York city Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the United Nations and its agencies (along with the huge diplomatic corps) contributed about 3.2 billion dollars annually to the city's economy in the late 1990s. The figure may be considerably higher now. Still, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton says there are U.S. Congressional concerns that "the United States doesn't get value for (its) money."
Norman Solomon, executive director of the Washington-based Institute for Public Accuracy, says that it is worse than unseemly for the U.S. government to complain about the number of dollars that it sends to the United Nations in view of the fact that the United States is such a rich country and Washington has been doing so much to undermine the U.N. Charter.
The U.S. government's share of the U.N. financial burden is a tiny fraction of Washington's military expenditures -- more than half a trillion dollars per year, he said.
"What the United States spent to violate the U.N. Charter with the invasion of Iraq could have funded the entire budget of the United Nations for decades," Solomon told IPS.
"When Bolton complains about all that Uncle Sam is doing for the United Nations, he sounds like a lawyer for gangsters who turn streets into horrible scenes of carnage and then quibble over the size of invoices submitted by morticians," said Solomon, author of "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death" (John Wiley & Sons, 2005).
Last month, one right-wing New York newspaper made the outrageous comment that "Tinpot rulers milk the U.N.-- which gets 22 percent of its money from America -- which they pocket."
The editorial also said that U.N. diplomats pretend to be VIPs, with plum assignments in New York "which they envy and enjoy, even as they bash American capitalism and culture."
James A. Paul, executive director of New York-based Global Policy Forum, said Washington today has a very narrow sense of what value for money means.
"To them it evidently means 'agree with us on all things'. It's not about a utilitarian calculus, a cost-benefit analysis, a sense of a fair exchange. It is a despotic calculus based on subservience," he added.
"One might also consider the cost to the United States if it had to do some of the things the United Nations does (including peacekeeping). There are so many ways of understanding the economics of the United Nations, and why it is a bargain (for the United States," Paul argued.
Solomon of the Institute for Public Accuracy noted that the United States leads the world in the international arms trade, and in the process undermines U.N. efforts to implement programmes for peace, security and public health. This form of global leadership does incalculable damage to the humanitarian mission of the United Nations, he said.
At a political level, Solomon said, the advantages of having the United Nations headquartered in the United States include the fact that this makes it so easy for Washington to eavesdrop on U.N. diplomats in violation of the Headquarters Agreement for the United Nations, the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and the General Convention on the Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations.
In early March 2003, journalists at the London-based Observer reported that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) was secretly participating in the U.S. government's high-pressure campaign for the U.N. Security Council to approve a resolution in favour of invading Iraq, Solomon said.
The newspaper exposed an NSA memo, dated Jan. 31, 2003, that outlined the wide scope of the surveillance activities; the memo said that the NSA was seeking any information useful to push a war resolution through the Security Council -- the whole gamut of information that could give U.S. policymakers an edge in obtaining results favourable to U.S. goals or to head off surprises.
For such improper and illegal spying activities directed from Washington, it is very convenient to have the U.N. headquarters located in New York City, he noted.
"Perhaps the U.S. government should be assessed a special user fee in recognition of this convenience," Solomon added.-
"The United States, which pays 22 percent of the U.N.'s regular annual budget of 1.8 billion dollars, has arrogantly demanded a dominant voice in management and administration -- primarily because it is the biggest single financial contributor to the world body."
Any news article that starts off describing an action as being done "arrogantly" isn't actually a news article and should be taken with a grain of salt.
SO is it our government that gets these contracts or is it private companies? Corruption might actually be a bigger issue and maybe a reason to abolish the U.N. altogether.
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casey, mainly this thread has turned to mock you. I would like to 1.) congratulate the level of mocking. It was done with style and humor. 2.) Define that you were mocked. Clearly you have no concept of what you are talking about are just repeating what others have told you to hate.
Can I ask a serious question though? Have you figured an ROI in this program? Poverty creates situations that encourage sickness, terrorists and population explosion. All of these things eventually cost America dollars and lives. I'm assuming that you are one of those "god created the rest of the world for America to exploit and shoot at" kind of conservative. Reduce poverty, maybe we won't have to blow up so many things later. I know I know. Videos of people eating and going to school are as cool as things blowing up, but they are cheaper to make.-
Do you think all that money pouring into the U.N. is eradicating poverty?
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I'm not saying it will or will not be effective but neither was casey. He attacked the concept because of redistribution of wealth. Had he attacked it because the U.N. is known for being as wasteful with funds as any other government organization, I would probably support that argument.
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OK, so the Marx brothers routine wasn't that great. There is one interesting point about his original statement - about the UN controlling so much. The UN has never been about accountability, nad has always been about re-distribution of wealth. (Hey, I work with the UN - I can say such things)... What all of that has to do with Obama - I have no idea.
I need to make a nonsensical post calling Obama a commie or what-have-you just to get all of thses comments :)) -
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NEW YORK, Aug 14 (IPS) - As a new report forecasts that the 190,000 private contractors in Iraq and neighbouring countries will cost U.S. taxpayers more than 100 billion dollars by the end of 2008, an under-the-radar Florida court case suggests that U.S. President George W. Bush -- a staunch contractor supporter -- is preparing to throw security contractors such as Blackwater under the political bus. ...
The CBO report revealed that about 20 percent of funding for operations in Iraq has gone to contractors. Currently, it said, there are at least 190,000 contractors in Iraq and neighbouring countries -- a ratio of about one contractor per U.S. service member. It noted that the U.S. has relied more heavily on contractors in Iraq than in any other war for functions ranging from food service to guarding diplomats.
The report also noted that the legal status of contractor personnel is a grey area of U.S. law, particularly for those who are armed. It said that military commanders have less direct authority over contractors because a government contracting officer rather than a military commander manages their contracts. www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43565-
It seems like the U.N. has basically become a clearing house for contracts to American companies. Is giving them more money the answer? Will this help eradicate poverty?
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This crowd is not interested in eradicating poverty for any group other than it's own supporters. No bid contracts, positions at the justice department and judges chosen based on ideology rather than on experience? All I can say is that 8 years of "democracy" here has left us with fewer rights and less money than we started with. If we could provide clean water and safe places there would be less hatred of the US in the first place
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Is it the job of the US to do that?
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I'm eating grapes.-
Sour grapes, by chance?
You gotta do a cartoon, you just gotta -
That may make it into a cartoon for the upcoming DNC!
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Well if I get to choose between spending Billions on bombs or billions on clean water, healthy food and books, I'd much rather choose the latter!
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I don't think you're going to find too many arguments with that.
Kind of like saying: "If I had the choice to pay $20,000 for taxes or $20,000 for a new car, I'd choose the latter."
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I've been wondering something about Obama, perhaps all you Americans can clear it up for me. If he loses, will Black America accept his defeat graciously or will there be... Shenanigans? You know what I'm talking about, rioting and squealing and the like. Thoughts?-
I don't think it will be limited to black America. Things got pretty shrill after Gore and Kerry lost.
I'm not even sure if white America even accepts Gore or Kerry.
By the way, can you tell me how to get to Seseme St?
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The major responses to this thread are rather childish. They speak for themselves and don't need to be deleted.
Yet, it would have been really helpful if CaseybMeyers had listed some sources....
Casey, if you are still around and reading the thread of laughable comments, post your sources. I need to get to work and don't have time to cite his socialist links, though we all know he certainly has them.
www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/01/14/2007-01-14_obamas_quiet_yrs_in_nyc_pols...
Summary of Obama's Ties to Socialism
www.gopusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46726 - GREAT LINKS
VIDEOS:
Glen Beck "Socialist Agenda": www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgc4zm3XrBc
Obama and an interview with Charlie Gibson regarding his desire to increase capital gains tax:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUfo-RxkXA8&feature=related-
"Obama's mother attended classes in high school where there was a member of the Communist party on the school board. 2 teachers that highly influenced her life taught about Communism and Marxism."
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Who are you to decide something is childish? You have no credibility.
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Childish premise = childish response
The whole Obama is a communist/socialist/terrorist whatever-ist is getting old, it is ridiculous, and thus not deserving of solid discourse.
That said, I am very pleased with the responses of the general population here at BC stopping a potentially horrid and hateful thread from turning so by outright ignoring and mocking the original poster.
That's Anarchy in action.
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You are all very funny.
I am not saying Obama is in fact a socialist, though the facts surrounding his background may.
Those of you who mocked Casey did not provide ANY sources to say otherwise.
So go to it. How about explaining his TIES to the SOCIALIST PARTY?
Source of info below: www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
Obama’s Communist Mentor
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008
In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.
However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
The National Review
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I don't feel all of the responses were childish. I think the name calling (communist/socialist/etc.) is childish and counter productive.
When people reduce others to buzzwords and labels it causes divisiveness and makes it easier to vilify and hate another group of people for their points of view. -
Name calling is all through this thread.. it speaks for itself.
So, as I asked, let's discuss his socialist ties and what they mean.
Go to it.
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I was the VP of my chapter of SEIU for a couple years and developed relationships with lots of claimed socialists. Today I am as anti-labor movement as you can get. It was because of my involvement that I learned how much I disagreed with their principles.
The "he knew a communist therefore is a communist" argument is not a good argument.
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It's an age old trick GG, mention a nasty buzz word with a candidates name - no matter what context - and it poison's the well.
Even anti- Obama folks have weighed in and stated that this mudslinging is childish, old, and tiresome.
Many joined in the fun.
Perhaps you too will get the point. It's not being debated because no one cares to debate it anymore unless they are staunch anti - Obama people with the intention of smearing rather than focusing on what their own candidate can do.
It isn't worth the debate anymore than debating other nonsensical things like whetehr or not he is a terrorist, or has terrorist ties, if he was ever a black panther, a racist and other nonsense that has been used to smear his campaign.
Invalid points are not worth anyone's time - however the mocking was great fun
You'll not get a debate, only more mocking - so either join in and laugh, or pick a fight with people less inclined to actually follow politics.
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First, it's not Obama's bill, it is a bill he cosponsored initially with 4 others, but now co-sponsored by the following congressmen---
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and these Senators ---
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Second,it spends no money and does not allocate funds at all( you get your information from Rush I see), it is a bill which requires that we find solutions via policy which will work to reduce global poverty.
On the level on banking, humanitarian aid, helping put in place sustainable income and agricultural programs etc.
Poverty worldwide being a major reason for unrest and global conflict, the results of conflicts being something we spend billions in just in the form of humanitarian aid post conflict.
Robert Gates is a supporter of this bill - maybe that should tell you something. -
i love politics. karl marx was a genius and a good thing. people are quickly seeing what pathetic commities they are and how 'worthless' they are in american society when the shush doctrine takes root takes their wanna be houses, screws them out of work, leaves them dirty hungry and sad while the elite laugh in their face. republicans call that the state of affairs. i call that injustice and barack obama though all right is fundementally too right wing for the american people so i would encourage people to vote socialist for real change. -
This is an old thread, but nowadays we have the political boards, should anyone wish to continue this. www.blogcatalog.com/politics/discuss
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