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Posted by sjtavo • 11/05/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: racism, reverse racism
ok - so encouraged, here it is....no personal offense intended, just wanted everyone's take on a common issue....
So my Dad, God-love him, send me this email after I sent him a forward from a friend of mine that basically says it's ok to be proud of your ethnicity unless you're proud to be white and then you're considered a racists ...blah blah blah
I sent it to Dad because I knew it'd light a fire....now, before you go burning him at the stake, he's an attorney/small business owner/active in the community kind of guy - who does love that he can carry a concealed weapon LOL so at least he's not an ass-backwards redneck...what do you think of his response?
I'm a racist because I don't believe in any programs that promote any race or group. If they can have a black Miss America we can have a white one; if they can have a lesbian Miss America we can have a straight one, etc, etc. If they want racial quotas in pro football coaches, I want racial quotas in football players (basketball too), etc., etc.
Why did you have to get me started? There was a black broad talking at Rotary this morning for First Tee which uses golf to promote a number of admirable traits in youth, but also promotes involvement by so-called ethnic minorities in golf to reflect the percentages of those minorities in the population.
Bring it on and let's see how high white men can jump in basketball!
Luvyadad
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I can't believe you would think that! -
A war on BC? that would be a first *rolls eyes* jijijiji -
LMAO yea - it could have been a good one except I don't want to offend anyone (ok some people but not the people I like) and it could be deemed a sensitive issue so screw it. LOL
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PLEASE PLEASE Post it! BC needs to see some serious action..
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Go ahead! We're all adults here, except for the ones who aren't. -
U soooo know what ur doin,hahaha -
ok - here we go, we'll see how it flies.
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So what's ur question,exactly???
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i'm curious as to people's reactions to my dad's comments (besides the fact that he refers to women as broads LOL) - what do you think? I'm personally not a fan of affirmative action from a woman's perspective - i think the best candidate should be placed in the position.
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No exceptions, the "broads" comment stays. LOL I don't believe any one should be giving preferential treatmeant because of there ethnicity. Saying that, if a company has two thousand people and no minorities...it may require a look to see whats wrong.
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I agree... I believe that the right person should be choosen. Really it's not giving minorities a break,it's feeding into " I'm not smart enough or qualified enough" I got this job bc of my skin color....that's still opression if u ask me...
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I agree as well - I liked how my dad didn't hesitate to say he is a racist - to the extent that any preferential treatment for any race is wrong.
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I think your dad is spot on and I am personally tired of being made to feel like being white is a bad thing.-
for the record, he's going to be thrilled I blogged about this and the opinions thus far - he loves being told he's right LOL
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Well to a degree I agree with your father. I'll try and organize my points:
Agree:
I have always thought that it was unfair that black comedians can stand before a crowd and RAG on white people to no end. As a black woman, it alwasy made me feel uncomfortable. I am uncomfortable with ANY form of racism, no matter who it's by or towards. I think there are certain social standards presented in the white and black community that black people should be allowed a certain kind of behaivior while white people can't. This kind of thinking is imbalenced and has already begun to damage the black community.
Disagree:
NOW...on the other hand. Something people don't like to look at is the facts. The evolution of a race does not turn around in 10 years...not in 20...not even in 50. It takes a LONG time for an entire race to turn around and for the majority be considered "ok". Black people have an ugle history. Aside from slavery, and severe poverty, and being pushed into areas of the country that developed deep roots in crime and drugs because of the poverty level...we also are daughters and grand daughters (or sons) of people who have seen HORRIBLE racist acts performed before thier eyes. Most of us with family in the south have reletives who witness lynchings, people being drug by vehicles, dog attacks in the street, baton beatings..etc. Even though these are acts that people of all races could have and did witness, it's DIFFERENT when you KNOW that THAT IS YOUR HISTORY. And it creates a decrease in self worth.
No matter how level things seem to the naked eye, there is stil a lot of judgement and repression being put against minorities that just isn't present for white people. I think we can't HEAL from that and fix it unless people stop getting so up in arms about it and trying to say "Well we get that too.." Simply put, It's still VERY different for most blacks in America than it is for whites. So there were put in place certain methods of checks and balences to insure that unfairness is not prodominate. In sports, in schools, in programs, in community outreach...etc. Is this needed? Yes. Should it be re configured to ensure that the balence is EVEN and not just one sided in the favor of the "oppressed" minority? YES. Can't argue there...it should be.
I personally can understand from my own perspective as a girl who grew up in the upper middle class. My parents NEVER qualified for any kind of grant for school or money for college, but they also could not afford to send me to the school of my choice. So I had to work while in school. I thought it was unfair that assistance be available to lower class families leaving the middle class to fend for themselves. I think this is the same concept as you mentioned. So I agree with that. Lets just not assume we all know what is and is not needed in the minority community.
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LotusB: Should it be re configured to ensure that the balence is EVEN and not just one sided in the favor of the "oppressed" minority? YES I love this statement - and I think that's the bigger point - it's not necessary to sooo tip the scales in any one direction but to even things out - there's a huge difference between that and "forcing" diversity although I don't like that phrase and can't think of something else to use.
Yes, no one can deny that blacks have endured and have a history of oppression and violence..... but then so can women (rape/assault)... I mean really, anyone can point to violence/discrimination in their heritage - I'm of Italian blood - my relatives were stereotyped.. .and what of the Jews? Recognizing and appreciating the impact of past oppression, how do we translate it into effective decisions in the future versus mandated "affirmative action" procedures?-
Well I'm of Italian heratiage as well...I know that Italian people were sterotyped and so forth...however there is a grave difference in the treatment of Italian Americans and the treatment of Blacks whom did NOT immigrate here but were forced here through slavery...
And yes rape victems, women, the blind...etc... ALL have programs and assistance in this country to obtain help, guidence and other wise. I'm sure no mater what race anyone is they fall into one catagory or another of oppression.
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Well lotus,this is what I have to say to that. My friend sheniqua(mixed race) and me(white) both applied to vandy in our jr year. She had a 3.3 gpa,I kept my 4.0 I worked DAYUM hard for it,and guess what happens,she was accepted and got grant money...her parents could already afford to send her. Guess what,I got accepted,but no kind of grants or scholarships were offered to me...
Now it really doesn't matter anymore bc she got pregnant her senior year and ended up going to UofM, and I dropped out to work 2 jobs and pay housenote and bills,but I still don't think it was fair-
I hear ya on that one - so where do the lines get drawn? I just don't know.... the college I attended had a HUGE international population - it was known to hand out scholarships left and right to international students so it could keep the school sooo diverse. which is great, but what about allowing local Ohio students to be able to attend such a great school? you're pretty much screwed from some side regardless of what you do.
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What does her being black have to do with her getting accepted (black, mixed...same thing)...? Your GPA is only ONE of the items of consideration for admission into secondary education programs.
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Because it was affirmitive action that got her the money...we researched it together....that is what her senior thesis was on as a matter of fact. We got down to the bottom of it. We wanted to know what was really goin on. I helped her do her term paper. Really I did it for her,we were both saddened by what we found out.
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you're right - admission isn't just based on grades...or community involvement...or extra curricular activities....it's also based on race. why???? why not base your student body by the applications, the essays, the interests, etc.... rather than throwing the race card as well?
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EXACTLYYYY!!!!!! The content of our character is sooooooo much more than what literally one layer of our epidermis is..COME ON NOW!!! Seriously
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Because a lot of these programs are based on the theory (proven theory at that) that a large majority of minorities live in areas that don't have fair access to the materials that allow them to fairly compete with the rest of the students trying to get into certain schools. So the standards are lax in order to allow students with lower scores a chance at the college they want to attend. In cases like your friend, Holly, she kind of lucked out because of the system. But in many cases affirmative action has allowed some people a fair shot at things they may not otherwise have access to.
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That's my whole point Lotus,what about my fair shot? Had I been offered a scholarship I woulda said HOLLA to the 2 jobs and housenote,and HELLO! To the dorm room.
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I know. I'm saying that because of the things put in place some people fall through the cracks. Historically it's the less priveleged that fall through the cracks, but fall thorugh some will. You feel through that time, I've fallen through myself. I didn't get a free ride to anything, nor did I ever qualify for grants in college. Meanwhile a friend of mine got into Oxford because her mother sat on the same board as the dean.
Fair? Nope...but what r u gonna do. I know these programs are more affective than not, so I can't complain. Some of us have to be more deligent to get where we want to go. You still went to college and I'm assuming graduated and have done very well for yourself. -
Actually no. I couldn't afford to go. I have taught myself a lot though. When I was doing the audit at the hotel when I was 17,(which I did lie,bout my age to get the job) I would work 11pm to 7 am before I went onto another job serving for another 5 hrs....I would go online and take courses in all my pre-recs,so at least those are outta the way.
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Yup...really tho I guess it all boils down to Who said life was supposed to be fair,bc it just isn't....know whatta mean?
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Then why is anyone complaining??
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You know what I learned that lesson at a very young age....at 17 the mean cruel world slapped me in the face,BUT things I've learned through experience,and mistakes made I wouldn't trade for anything in the world bc it humbled me and at the same time I learned that I am a force to be reckoned with.
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rock on girl!! =)
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Thats awesome Holly.
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U kno me!!! I said soooooo what I'm still a rock star,and I don't neeeeeeed u -n- guesssss what? I'm havin more fun sumthin sumthin ......... I luv pink
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LOL =)
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LEARN and EARN! Don't WAIT and HATE!!! Hthw...
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They have quotas in my country, too. It sucks for the 'privileged minority'. But there is a saying "you cant keep a good guy down" and it used to be my favorite quote
Quotas seem like a worldwide phenomenon
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