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Ontario passes ban on smoking in cars with kids under 16
Posted by wenfri • 6/20/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: bylaws, no smoking, ontario gov't, under 16
Not my normal topic or subject that truly appeals to me but this one really makes me irate!!
They have already banned smoking in Public Places which is not a problem for me. I don’t get out much (yea right)
Let’s look at this from the smoker’s point of view. What if?? Yes, what if?? Say you were a smoker and were old and
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I smoke my wife smokes, but we don't smoke in the house or in the cars with our kids.
Just because we have a bad habit gives us no right to subject our children to it.-
I can't argue with either Tom or Sara but shouldn't our officers be more concerned with crime, violence and other things, rather than devoting their time to seek out who has kids in the vehicle and who is smoking.
Are cell phone user's going to report them Which by the way are outlawed in some places already.
Do they think they enough of a budget to cover the strain of checking for smokers in vehicles??
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Wenfri, I understand your frustration on the irony of some laws that are passed. I can understand what part of the article upsets you.
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Ditto. I would never smoke in the car while my kids were in it. In fact, I'll drive with my windows down at 15 below during winter to air the car out before I pick them up. I don't have any problem with a law that prevents people from exposing their children to smoke if they haven't thought it through enough to do it for themselves. To me, objecting to this is like objecting to car seat laws. -
I smoke my hubby does not.
Although every once in awhile in ligths up a stinky cigar. I dislike them but now pipe tobacco is quite another thing.
When I smoke in our truck I always open my window. Winter or summer.
My grandkids just left this am and while they were with me My son (who smokes) and myself went outside to smoke. Even his aunt & uncle did the same thing.
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I agree with Tommy. You don't want to hurt your children. -
I agree, no smoking in your car if a kid is in it. Also, no food made with artificial growth hormone, unhealthy amounts of fats and sugars too. Oh but wait, they sell those to kids freely. Hmmm
You all know the only reason why this stuff flies is cause there is a huge overseas market for American cigarettes and they don't need American consumption anymore. See if they make laws that would interfere with the business of chemical and sugar cartels like Nestle, Interstate and Kraft. No way.
With that said, this law still isn't as rediculous as the smoking ban in bars. Bars are places where people go to drink......and smoke by choice.
I'm not a smoker but I think I may be allergic to bullshit.-
When they put out the no Smoking law in Public Places there was a bar in Toronto Called quote "The Cigar Bar" They had to close their doors as the law wouldn't allow it.
Stupidity as far as that goes. I mean it was a smoking bar in the first place.
Or how about Legions where it is private and members pay dues??
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Well said HaplessHermit,
I guess I am a weird smoker. When we go out to eat, I always ask for the non-smoking section first. But when the wife and I have the off chance of going out as a couple without the kids, it's nice to go to a bar or pub and light up a smoke while we are drinking and hanging out. -
Locally, we had a deferment to the fact that sports bars and "cigar bars" are not subject to the ban. It was fair, but after further review, it also stated that one could not open up a sports/cigar bar permitting smoking after the law went into effect. How's that for a double edged sword? -
Ahaa-I think you have just discovered a new trend, a smoking bar, where people can go to smoke and socialize with other smokers...by choice!
I am an ex-smoker, I remember growing up in a family of heavy smokers, the house was filled with smoke and the car. I remember sometimes it seemed overwhelming with 4 to 6 people smoking at once.
So I am glad that people are more conscientious about it now! Most young people that I know now that smoke, do it outside, and not in the car when they have children around -
I like this idea a lot from Arcticulates
A smoking bar just for smokers will mean big business.
A place for them to go and socialize with other smokers and enjoy.
Smoking in a car with children is a big NO, NO to me. -
See if they make laws that would interfere with the business of chemical and sugar cartels like Nestle, Interstate and Kraft. No way.
Perfect point, sir - perfect point.
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This should be common sense and not Law. People should have common sense not to smoke in a car with children. Although, common sense is not so common. This is more of a 'feel good' law, it makes people feel good to know its passed, we should already know better than to do this! -
I have an issue with legislating morality. Common sense tells us that our kids are not supposed to be subjected to these types of things.
Unfortunately, I don't see this trend changing. If we are to be accountable for ourselves (at all classes of society) it only makes sense to look out for others. I still say that the Golden Rule is the only thing that all cultures agree upon, and ignore most.
EDIT: That being said...I think it is a shame that we are subjecting our children so much, and raising such a stink about all the things that others expose them to on a daily basis. -
here's a statement that will tick off my fellow tobacco smoker's...If I come to your home, I WILL ask you if it bothers you if I smoke outside, and if it does, and you have enough respect of me to not lie and tell me that it bothers you, I will have no problem with that.
Told you I am a weird smoker.-
No...that's common sense...and perhaps, its just a better idea to escape to a hideout to light up, or just leave the pack at home for a few hours.
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We all pay higher insurance rates because of people getting sick from smoking.-
That's not entirely true. We pay higher insurance rates because we have bad regulation on our insurance industry. Smoking is a factor, not the cause.
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Mikeny07, You really fall for that? You think if smoking didn't exist at all, your insurance rate would be any different? C'mon. Hey how about fat people, they cause your insurance to go up too? Maybe if the air wasn't polluted by cars and trucks and industry and everyone ate properly and exercised then the insurance rates would go down too.
Smoking has become an easy scapegoat.
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My grand children left this am and I must admit that even I went outside to smoke. Or should the garage to smoke. My son and other relatives did the same.
Now here is the problem. The kids (grandkids) would not stay in the house. Wanted to sit on my knee even I was smoking and I did respect their wishes.
What about all the years of smokers in my house? I am the first to admit the odor hangs on but that can't be good for them either? Can It??
We all are aware of the dangers of smoking but............ what about the children that live smog filled cities.
Perhaps the cities should be fined for pollution, or the owners of vehicles that don't have emission controls.
In Ontario now it is a $250 dollar fine if caught. Have to wait and see what happens if caught more than once. -
While I understand that one should not smoke in the car with kids... that's not really the point. Does any body of law have the right to legislate what happens in your own personal space? Can they now ban smoking in your own home if you have kids? It's ridiculous! Let people police themselves on personal matters and let the legal system / law enforcement agencies work on crimes that actually matter...!-
Your own personal space. They are already doing that when they banned smoking in public places.
For example: Nursing Homes or retirement homes. The folks are paying to live there and yet can't smoke in their own home. Or what is left of their home.
If they keep going pretty soon they will charge parents for smoking in their own home.
Why not? WE the smokers have NO vote,
Would truly love some of these comments posted on my blog but not a problem
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Ahaa-I think you have just discovered a new trend, a smoking bar, where people can go to smoke and socialize with other smokers...by choice!
Good thought but not allowed in Ontario They have already numerous bars for just that reason -
I was an avid smoker for many years. I stopped (cold turkey) seven or eight times, before it stuck. I am still addicted to nicotine and since my family smoked I became addicted even before I lit up my first cigarette at age nine. It used to be so cool, but not anymore.
If I could wave a wand and everyone would stop smoking ... I would.-
Wave your wand my way I really need to quit and every little bit helps
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I am a smoker, I do not smoke around Punky.
However, this law is stupid, know why? Because a parent who smokes in a car with their child in it, also smokes in their home with their child in it.
Ergo, the law has prevented nothing, as the child will still be exposed to smoke on a regular basis.
Stupid. Stop legislating morality. -
I don't believe that the government should interfere with private family matters. I don't know where they can draw the line, once they start doing it. However, public places, I can understand.
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Right, now smoking - but what else? Unhealthy food? Swearing? religious choices? Whatever the State deems harmful?
Parents have already been limited on how they can parent their kids - this is ridiculous! -
I to can understand Public Places but the rest is all Horky Pucks.
Anok is right lets legislate healthy food for all children. Can't be done can it?
Rediculous is right
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that;s one good move
machopapa69.blogspot.com -
Nova Scotia has banned it, too - New Brunswick is thinking about it.
Yet - you can drive a car while using a mobile phone.
If governments have such a problem with tobacco products - ban them all - then no problem. I blogged about that before.
The main problem we have today is that governments don't govern - they just invent laws. In the UK, 19,000 jobs have been lost - directly because the government banned smoking in pubs; the alternative was a simple compromise - allow the pub land lord to decide whether the pub was a smoking one or not, if it was one then they had to hire older staff who understood the dangers of smoking.
People would then have the choice to go to a smoking pub or stay away and go to one where there was no smoking.
In a survey published (which included non-smokers) the pubs that would be most visited would be the smoking ones - so, I ask - why were laws brought in to have non-smoking pubs?
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