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Paid To Click Sites; You take on them?
Posted by tonytovar • 7/08/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: paid to click, ptc
First and foremost, do not come in here leaving links or anything like that. This is an educative discussion not a a place to promo your site or anything like that.
Ok, So I've looked at a few PTC sites and have found a few that seem to have a good rep. However, I'd like to see if the community is actively engaged in such sites and what their experience is with them. Does anyone by any chance know how some of these sites make profit? I find it hard that some of them do! I mean, with advertising prices that dont cover the amount of clicks and the referral amount they might have to pay. how do they stay afloat?
Respectfully,
Tony Tovar
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I hate when I accidentally mis type something, especially in the title. sheesh!
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It's one of my 'favorite' typos, which I've had to learn to proof for - so you're not alone.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh we'lll forgive ya-
Hey Kat, Thanks
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"Pay to click?" I'm a noobie - what's that?
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Good summary. Thanks. Good-enough answer.
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The whole saying of "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" is coming to mind (but I personally have no clue about these sites).-
Agreed.
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Indeed, I was like that at first too but I've only joined 1 site. They pay 1 cent per visit to their advertisers. That doesn't seem that good to be true. thats 20 cents at most a day. In any case, I've joined one and started as a free member for 1 month then bought premium mebership and just broke even on my 600 referral purchase. Also, this Isn't MLM (Multi Level Marketing) its just a direct referral. I don't earn anything on what my referrals referrals earn etc. In any case, I've broken even and have cashout. Now I'm just cruising on about 34 bucks a day sometimes more. But I want to know how they make profit because I'm a business major and can't figure it out. I have an idea but want to see if I have it down right.
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tonytovar,
I've got a notion how they make a profit - although my guess is that my summary leaves out several steps.
I do have a suggestion, since you probably have about four decades ahead of you, during which you want to put that business major to work: It may seem cool and edgy and very clever to skate on the edge of legality. But, in the long run, those corny old chestnuts like 'honesty is the best policy' do seem to apply.
Remember Enron? Getting caught does happen.
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If one is being paid to click sites then that amounts to "click fraud". If one examines the Terms of Service for advertisers like, for example, Google Adsense they will find that participating in click fraud schemes is a breach of contract and if caught doing it the account is banned. IMO advocating that people ought to become involved in a click fraud scam for pay could also make one an accomplice to fraud.
I also notice that the "home" site has only a page rank of 3. I'm running a bad neighborhood check on it right now.-
Sounds harsh, but that's the way I see it.
Even if it's legal now, my guess is that it won't be in the near future. And, as I said elsewhere, I've got long-term plans - and that means I don't need a reputation as a shady operator. But, that's my values at work. -
No its not clicking ads! Its Advertisers pay for A link on these PTC sites. They buy clicks from unique visitors. So in essence you are paying for people to come visit your site. This is not google and nothing like that. If it were then it would totaly be against TOS. However, this isn't. The advertisers that purchase these packets are actually buying links to their sites on these PTC sites which in turn brings them assured unique visitors.
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tonytovar,
Interesting. Thanks for the clarification (correction?). If this is not an effort to generate invalid advertising clicks, they could be making money on traffic - and legit. advertising from that (assuming they displayed ads).
I'm afraid that I'm still dubious - this still sounds too much like the 'old lamps for new' situation. -
"Paid To Click" is a way far from the definition of click fraud.
Advertisers promote their product in the way to make sales. Members earn money by clicking on the ads to visit them.
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"...you can sign up for and you can just get paid to click advertisements...."
I don't know about the site you're signed up with, and obviously didn't know much about the 'pay to click' sites. That said, I'll opine - based on general knowledge and background.
The way I understand it, many online advertisers pay websites for every valid click they get.
A 'pay to click' website could be quite profitable, in the short run. Let's say, using arbitrary values, that they advertisers pay 2 cents for every click (I'm getting more than that, on average, but let's keep this simple).
If the pay-to-click website paid a third party 1 cent for every 2 cent click, the pay-to-click website would make 1 cent on every click.
Doesn't sound like much, but those pennies could pile up fast, with reasonably high traffic.
The problem is, advertisers aren't particularly stupid, and probably don't like giving money to a website that specializes in generating fraudulent (let's be polite and say 'invalid') clicks.
That's when legal action starts. Whether or not this is the equivalent of fraud, embezzlement, or whether it would be a civil lawsuit, I don't know: I'm no legal expert.
Since I intend to be in business ten years from now, I wouldn't touch a PTC offer with a 10-foot pole and a hazmat suit.
But, that's my evaluation of the benefit-risk situation here.-
See that's where my business intellect comes into play. The only flaw with the argument is that the advertisers of these sites actually pay for what they are getting. Unique visitors to stay on their website for about 30 seconds or so.
The PTC is not in anyway doing anything illegal but rather making the number of people willing to stay on a site for 30 seconds and make a cent at the same time attractive to suitable advertisers. For instance, I wrote something on my blog, I put it on digg for people to come read it. Well, that works when you have great material to read. But, in this case, an advertiser would go to this PTC site purchase a number of unique visits and then thats it. The click business is all up to the PTC. Which is where my question comes from. I see some sites that have their advertisement clicks for sale but at a lower price that would not break them even. That's what I'm wondering. How else do they earn money? Through selling referrals? Supposedly these sites have a tremendous about of people and members and so the possibility of providing referrals is great! Meaning that the owners make money by selling referrals, not advertisement. -
"...that's where my business intellect comes into play."
Sorry. That's where you lost me. -
Lol i meant, that is where my knowledge of business.... I'm a business/economics student. Im' just trying to see how these sites profit. or gain revenue.
tony
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Going through the pages and checking out the links tells a story that I don't want to hear.
Going down one level reveals the scuzzy sites that the links lead back too.
I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole but then I don't blog for money.
Am I safe in assuming that you do?
Yep I just checked out your blog.
Bye, bye.
P.S. IMO this is not a General Discussion topic. It's a Making Money topic that you placed in the wrong category.-
Yeah, thats a good observation. I have seen that many many new ptc sites just link directly to tacky websites or internet pages. I've listed my site before on the one that I'm a part of and have received some response to my blog, including feed subscribers without asking. So that was a positive thing for me.
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Its a general topic of discussion. I want to learn more about PTC's. And I don't blog for money, I post ads on my sites for that.
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I'm not sure how you can claim you don't blog for money. All of your ads are about blogging for money, and even your recent post is on how you make money online.
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The reason why I brought this discussion up was because I've invested almost 550 into referrals. Have broken even and have received my initial investment back. However, I'm just wondering how these sites make a profit. I've only join one, and it is one that I trust cause its worked for me. I'm very very for trying stuff for free and thats what I had to do to make sense of it all. Eventually I used their system to generate some traffic and got lucky with folks liking the blog and signing up for the RSS and commenting. Anyhow, I could provide you with my referral link so you can check out the site that I'm a part of.
Tony
If not, its no biggy but I like mine and want to know about other's experience. -
bump
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Well I've been into PTCs for the past 3 months and I already earned from them, some are really legit and paying, But some turned in to a scam after a month. My average earnings from PTCs monthly is $100 maybe it could be more if I joined lots of them. -
Looks like there are really people engaged with them.One of my blogs is about PTCs.
Like choiocampo, some somes end up really legit, while some of them are scams. -
choiocampo, care to share any of the legit ones? I also tried a few, but never seem to reach payout.-
Check out here: ptcpress.co.cc/ptc/neobux.html/
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the trend have changed in the ptc market, every day there is one new ptc site in the offering and every 3rd day there is scam.
So te mantra is join fast take your payout fast , get more refferals , if the site is genunine you get paid till the end and if not leave it. -
90% of PTC site is a Scam. One PTC administrator might have more than two site in order to get more money by fooling members.
You will not earn big money from PTC site, unless you invest your money on them. To invest, make sure the site is legitimate and proven to be paying its member.
There are many success story. Some people have earned more than 10 thousand USD in less than a year.
It's worth to try. You can do clicking while you surfing the internet, so you are not wasting your time. -
Humm... 1000 clicks = $10? if you're lucky enough to see it....
Can't you just spend those two hours working at McDonalds for $8 per hour and finish out with $16?
Sounds to me like someone is taking a slice of your effort for themselves.... no?-
Well .. there's only 4 ads available on the average per day anyway .. so it takes not more than 10 minutes of your daily surfing around the net...
Not all people capable enough to work at McD, in some cities, there isn't any McD at all!
hehehehe
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I don't click adverts anyway - so my take on them are - meh. -
I'm unclear as to why paying people to visit a site in the hopes of them clicking on an ad isn't very similar to paying people to click on the ads themselves.
I mean - I understand there is a semantic distinction, but all in all - it's the same thing. The site is paying people to help generate traffic, boost rank, and click on ads all in the name of making money on those ads. -
Hmm .. here's the thing
In a real PTC, People pay to put a link on a PTC site.
The PTC site members will see the link when they logged in. They must click on the ad to earn money. Basically, the advertiser pay people to visit their site.
So, it's not like what you thinking. They dont pay peple to click on ads like Adsense or Bidvertiser.
For further info: ptcpress.co.cc-
This is what I'm not understanding:
They must click on the ad to earn money.
They dont pay peple to click on ads like Adsense or Bidvertiser.
So are they required to click on ads, or not?
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Yes, they are. But only for the required ads.
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So they are being paid to click on advertisements. That's click fraud. Advertisers pay websites and blogs to put their ads up in order to gain customers who are willing to purchase their products or services.
www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t%3Dclick+fraud&i%3D39774,00.asp
Click fraud, defined
Definition of: click fraud
Clicking ad banners without any intention of purchasing the product. Click fraud is done to make an ad campaign appear more effective. Paying a few cents per hour to workers in a third-world country to sit at a computer all day and do nothing but click banners makes an ad campaign appear very successful. If ads are based on click-throughs (pay-per-click), the Web site publishing the ads and clicking the ads countless times can make a dishonest profit. In addition, software is available that automatically clicks ads and uses different IP addresses to simulate random users.
Specialty pay-per-click ads in professions such as medical and legal can command a huge premium over banners for common products and services. A vendor in that field can make its competitor waste a whole lot of money if it clicks the competitor's ad many times. -
Oh ... The PTC site member only able to click each ads once every day. There's no way for clicking an ads in a countless time.
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Being paid for even one click per day with no intention of purchasing or patronizing the advertising business is click fraud.
If an employee of a cosmetic store was paid per makeover by the company, they are expected to land a certain percentage of sales of the product through trials. it's hands on advertising.
But if that employee paid the same number of people come in every day, get their makeover, and never make a purchase - they are committing fraud. The employee will be making money, and the people will be getting paid to get a makeover - but the company will lose money because the purpose of the job isn't to simply do makeovers and get paid for it - it's to sell the products. -
Hehe ... the thing is, the advertiser KNOWS that the members will click on the ads, even they not buying the products. So, it should be categorized as a fraud ...
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I don't know why an advertiser would waste their money advertising on a site that engages in click fraud, and does not generate the proper percentage of purchases.
If they know that the thousands of users that clickthrough everyday will not make a purchase, and are paying for such a non service, then they are wasting their time and money. I would think that any valid advertiser would either not realize it's a paid to click scam, or stay away. -
Anok ... You should sign up as a member there. Then you will see the truth. I mean, as far as I see, some advertisers are other PTC site, the other are just another scam offers like "How to get rich quick" ...
So, IMO, it will not affected on our websites SERP, neither will destroy our PR ... -
Erm...no. I don't do fraud.
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Hehe, I mean, just to see what is in there .. won't hurt you.
Well, sometimes we must go deep into the see to found what lies in it , don't we?
Nice to meet you btw ...
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I assume the reason you'd pay so many people to come to your site for thirty seconds or more (assuming you aren't selling a product) is to pump up your stats so that you can sell ads. While this may not be direct click fraud, if the people who click over to your site aren't directed to click on your ads by the referring site, it's still lying to advertisers about the popularity of your site, and thus about the value of advertising on it. I wonder how many people think to check for a listing on PTC sites (or if you can even do it) in relation to the traffic stats of a relatively crappy site that's getting a large amount of traffic.
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