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Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush ?
Posted by gerryPlanetEarth • 9/06/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Tags: apec, bush, wag
Australian students are staging an organized walkout to protest the presence of George W. Bush in their country as well as his policies and the 5 kilometer Apec fence/barrier and other security measures being inflicted on Australians so Bush and his colleages wont have to face the protestors who oppose their policies and actions...
The student's video and website regarding the protest may be seen at this link in addition to other information regarding the security measures for the Apec summit...
www.planetearthpeaceparty.com/2007/09/apec-australia-2007%e2%84%a2-business...
What are your thoughts?
Generally speaking are you Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush ?
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How can you be pro or anti Bush. That is like trying to be pro/anti Pinocchio. Personally I dont think about the puppet, it is the ones pulling the strings that I look out for. With regards to them I would have to say anti.-
You make a very interesting point....Which people or corporations etc. do you feel are "pulling the strings" ?
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Good question. Most fingers point towards the oil industry, but it is also possible that any large corporation that funds the party and campaign trail might also have a strong voice in the presidents advisors ear.
In the UK certain aspects of party funding have come under scrutiny (psst anyone want a peerage? 50 quid to you mate,) with interesting and somewhat sleazy results. -
Bravo Grimley!
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I have nothing against shrubbery.-
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What about the man made/engineered plant/shrub for aquariums that found its way into the Mediterranean sea via an aquatic museum in Monaco that has taken over much of the seabed in the Mediterranean ?
Are you Pro-George W. Bush or Anti-George W. Bush ? -
I think he is sitting on the hedge on this one.
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having had to hack back some shrubbery that had overgrown its bounds, i can no longer say that i have nothing against shrubbery. sometimes it just needs to be removed, sometmes removed and re-located, but most of the time, it's just better to tear it out and throw it away. the corner of the house looks SO much better now that we've gotten rid of that silly shrub. -
Yeah...and unfortunately this shrub doesn't go into dormancy every winter..as nature intended. So in my thinking this shrub could be considered a freak of nature.
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I am very, very much Pro-Bush. Just look at the amount of incompetence he displays, practically on a daily basis, and the position he has achieved. It gives me hope that one day I'll master tying double knots in my shoes.
He is very "speshl."-
I too have trouble tying my shoelaces...Hopefully this inspiration you receive from the amount of incompetence Bush displays practically on a daily basis considering the position he has acheived will add some hope to the prospect of your family solving its pancake syrup choice crises.....
Congratulations on your blog being chosen by so many Blogcatalog members as their favorite blog catalog blog.....
I also enjoy that site and particularly like the headline section where you substitute better matching content more appropriate to the headline...... -
Well....pancake syrup choices can make or break your day. (Around here anyway.)
:))
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I am neither pro-Bush or anti-Bush... I keep myself pro-policy or anti-policy. Bush can make a mistake over two policies out of five, but that doesn't mean he is all the time wrong, or all the time right.
I think it's time for us to be clear on what grounds we are standing on. To be against a person individually, no matter how good a policy is you will still be against it. Not because it's a lousy policy, but simply because you don't like the person who issued this policy.-
I would agree with your logic regarding being pro-policy or anti-policy.....
Regardless of whether we like or dislike the person or people behind a policy we should always first and foremost examine the policy on its won merits and not let our like or dislike of the person or people bias our examination of the policy....
Too often a policy that harms us in the future slides in easily because we like the people or government sliding it in and we do not do enough diligence examining the ramifications of the policy....
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Bush Lives in Alice in BushWonderland and eats Cheneyshrooms to maintain his fantasy world of lies, deception and misinformation.
He should be impeached, tried for treason and sent to gitmo.
I guess that means I am against him and so is my blog.-
couchmouse, your right the Americans should impeach him, get another president in because the next president will always tell the truth, and never lie or cheat, or never start wars, or cheat on their spouse, I'm sorry but we are so fickle. -
Thank-you for participating in this discussion....Your comments and insight are appreciated and your anti-bush position has been duly noted....
Your blog further elaborates this and is recommended by this reader as being of interest to both the pro and anti Bush.... -
Boba...The American electorate has been fickle in the past...case in point...
In 1972, Nixon was re-elected in one of the biggest landslide election victories in US political history, defeating Senator George McGovern and garnering over 60% of the popular vote. He carried 49 of the 50 states, losing only in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia.
The House Judiciary Committee controlled by Democrats opened formal and public impeachment hearings against Nixon on May 9, 1974.
In light of his loss of political support and the near certainty of both his impeachment by the House of Representatives and his probable conviction by the Senate, Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974,
It's amazing how quickly public perception changes..... -
I think this whole "we should impeach any president we don't agree with" thing is out of control. Look at the time, money, and effort wasted on impeaching Clinton (at a time when his attention and that of our legsilature could definitely have been put to much better use in other arenas) and what effect it had in the end (pretty much zero). Impeachment is a drastic measure intended for a specific set of circumstances, and the way that "he should be impeached" has morphed from that situation to mean little more than "I really want him out of office" is further damaging to a system that's already pretty badly broken.
*This is not a political position. I would be very happy to see GWB out of office through any reasonable means; I just think he's done enough damage to the structure of our government without us compounding that. -
Congragulations go out to Couchmouse who it appears has created the first internet search engine reference to the word "cheneyshrooms"
I googled the word Cheneyshrooms and the one entry refers to this actual discussion...
www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=cheneyshrooms&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
yahoo and msn showed no results for the word cheneyshrooms.....
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Most of the USA doesn't approve of Bush. These students aren't saying anything new Americans haven't already said.-
Have any students in the U.S.A. staged walkouts similar to the Australian students ?
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Anti "system" not bush or any other, its the whole shebang! ;o)-
What system are you against ? Could you elaborate a bit more ?
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There is only ONE system.
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If you google the word system there are over one billion entries for the word system. What system are you against ?
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Now you are gettuing anal... would the hell did you google that??
Sytstem is just a word with a meaning, but to clarify, in the way I mean here... the system, how politics, living, taxes, etc, the way your leaders run things etc... you know?
The way its all run... the system you live in.
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Thank-you for your clarification and insights....
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As much as Americans have protested, no other country can come close to not liking the "system". They only read about it, we live here lol
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Not much different to here. ;o)
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attention zawadi:...Could you possibly elaborate on which "system" you are talking about ?
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I wonder if they will protest about Darfur with the same enthusiasm?
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"I wonder if they will protest about Darfur with the same enthusiasm?"
Of course not.
That would make sense.
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Tonite If I had a few wishes granted to me, from a Genie, I would remove Bush from office. Then take the troops out of the Middle East and see how things all work out lol.
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According to most folklore genies usually grant three wishes...
Perhaps your third wish could be used to help the people of Darfur.......
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If Bush had not made the world a more dangerous place, I would perhaps be able to enjoy some schadenfreude right now. After all, a lot of Bush's current opponents voted for him twice in a row---or did not vote at all. Even though I voted against him, we, as a country, got what we collectively deserved. Let's hope we do better next time.
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In my 37 yrs on this planet, i have never known Americans to be hated so much.
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Why do actualy think that?
Are you in the USA?
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Yes I am. you know- I never fought in the Vietnam War, but I bet I will be blamed for it.
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Blamed for it??
What? why?
I just asked you a simple question. -
Actually we can blame the French -
This comment might be considered to be pointless batter by some but why is that orange colored salad dressing that used to be called "French" dressing is now labeled as "Californian" dressing by various manufacturers ?
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Well I made the statement because I have had my experiences with non Americans and their hatred. Trust me it's not pretty. It was not directed at you :()
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So you attract them by saying things like that lol?
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You would rather that Zawadi got up and shouted "USA" over and over?
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NO... what gave you that impression?
I said that like it's jumping the gun... I mean, giving ammunition to the haters when they have non then complaining about the haters?
Make sense?
It just seemed odd. -
I was being sarcastic.
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Sorry, missed it lol. ;o)
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Maybe lol..
I never really gave Politics and Government a second thought until the last Election. That was my very first time I voted.
I feel so diffrent now and I have had allot of bull**** directed at me by people who look at our history and then start pointing the finger, saying"you yanks blah blah blah".
1. I'm no yank, I'm southern.
2. My people didn't immigrate here, they were slaves.
3. This Nation is the B*****d child of Europe.
I'm just so tired of the American Bashing by people who don't even know anything about America. They watch the BBC, sip Tea and point the finger as usual. Never thinking how they may be the cause for some of the ILLS in this world.
I don't hear them screaming about China and their support of arms for janjaweed. Let's wait and see who helps African people... This world will sit by and watch. Wait and see how long it takes before they blame America for what is going on in Sudan.-
I'm just so tired of the American Bashing by people who don't even know anything about America. They watch the BBC, sip Tea and point the finger as usual.Never thinking how they may be the cause for some of the ILLS in this world.
Listen to you....hypocrite?
So who is that aimed at?
Bashing?
Haters become the hated, and vice versa.
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The U.S. feeds about half the people on the planet, and tries to protect more than that.
There were more people at any local Wal-Mart at 2 in the afternoon, than there were loon ingrate "peace people" spewing their venom at Bush in South Kiwiland.
After they post their bail, deport then all to Tehran, if they like terrorism so damn much.
They can help themselves by claiming to be Canadian journalists - NOT.
Freaking idiots.
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rob, just by some of the comments I read, I can tell who is a hater. I learned the art of "reading between the lines", by a British friend. She explained how Europeans are two -face and some of the biggest liars on the planet, and they do it all with good words a warm smile and a hand shake.
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Yep, but I am just saying look in the mirror here on the post above... you are doing what you hate others doing.
Which is not making sense or matters easier for you. ;o)
I got nothing against you or any "American"...I am just pointing out something on this thread. ;o)
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Zawadi, let's not generalize about all Europeans. You want them to do that for all Americans?
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Thats a good way to put it lol. ;o)
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"Europeans are two -face and some of the biggest liars on the planet, and they do it all with good words a warm smile and a hand shake."
Those are called "diplomats" at the UN.
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Let me explain to you where I am coming from with all of this.
I have said here on this forum, that I have been in some of the worst ever discussions on Race Relations.
I have talked to people from all over the world about this Topic here. (Bush)
You cannot imagine what those Discussions were like.
I learned so much from that.
I learned that I am hated, not because of my Race, but because of my nationality, and then my Race.
I am just telling you what I have seen and experienced.
I have had more than one Death threat targeted at me. Beacuse I am the INFIDEL lol
How Can I be a hypocrite, telling you that America is not any better than what some of these other countries have done in the past. If you hate it, so be it, it wont change the FACTS.-
It.s not fact, not to me, can you possibly show me that fact?
I know you are not saying America is supreme.
It's not. ;o) THAT'S fact yes.
I am saying I don't care who you spoke to etc, I am just saying you are doing what you hate them doing! ;o)
Please re read this thread.
Read between the lines as you say you know how... ;o)
Who gives a shit if you are hated?
YOU.. but you happily hate...so why hate?
Why see more of hate by having hate?
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Stoneman, that's my mistake. I will target it at the British Empire and The French lol.
My People were enslaved by the French. So when I speak about Europeans in this tone. This is the area that I focus on.
All I am getting at is this.
Never think you live in a Utopia. If you hate America, why do u die trying to get here?
Ok this was aimed at the haters, whoever you are....-
So you hate me? I am British. ;o)
I still think you completely missed my points!
Which is saying alot.
You have a world view, as we all do.
Its up to YOU what your world view is.
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When did I ever give you the impression America is Supreme? I just called it a B*****D.
I never hate on anyone's Nationality ever. I am not ethnocentric, nor will I ever be Patriotic to my land of birth.
Would I stand up and against people who would like to destroy it? yes because this is the only home I know.
When I speak about the History, you are right,it was not your reality but my peoples.-
RE READ all please you make little sense.
Sorry but it's all anger and it's clouding your reading skills. ;o)
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Rob all this is just questioning, The Anti American attitude. Not much to meditate on here.
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LMAO.. listen to you??? ;o)
Anti American?
Have I said anything in the last few post in this thread like that?
Lol.. I am simply trying to make you see something you clearly can't and yet continue to do... lmao!
Thanks.. made me smile. :o)
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I like your style, always avoiding the Subject.
Look at the Topic of this Thread ok?
Look closely.....
I Questioned the ANTI, yes...
I compared it to the Past, maybe that was my mistake.
Excuse me for not seeing something I missed.
i was so focused on the Topic Please forgive me and my Ignorance for speaking about American History.-
I like your style, always avoiding the Subject.
Like you avioded what i was saying...or just plain "couldn't get"?
I Questioned the ANTI, yes...
In the context of OUR conversation, you were wrong to say that to me, as I never said ANTI anything.. you did. ;o) THATS your whole argument for this topic anyway, yet you fail to see what ANTINESS you are doing yourself...what I was trying to point out all along. ;o)
Excuse me for not seeing something I missed.
Ok, hope you see it now. ;o)
i was so focused on the Topic Please forgive me and my Ignorance for speaking about American History.
Now you are just being silly.
Not sure I like your style. ;o)
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That's not a new perspective for Australia. It so happened that at the time of the 9/11 attacks I had professional dealings with a number of Australians. In my experience (to the degree that anything valid can be said about a whole nation of people), Australians are the kindest, most generous, most down-to-earth and accepting people on the planet. In the immediate wake of 9/11, several of them said things to me--none in a confrontational manner--that amounted to, "Well, what did you expect?"
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Try being in a discussion with people who were not kind or compassionate. They are out there. I know that I do not speak about an entire nation, but I will speak about what I have personally experienced.
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Gonna go there someday!! ;o)
This is reply to madamex.
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RobSellen on top of his game.
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what Game?
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I'm with ya on that.
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Makes little difference...like voting against him made little difference. ;o)
IT'S all a plan and going to plan. -
What are your thoughts on Bill Clinton....Should he have been impeached as well?
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I just read da Thread - i didn't realize WWIII had broken out here*
I fer one Bash Bush but not America - I love America*
I even Supported Bush when he went Stomping after 9/11*
I wouldda went Stompin' too + thensome*
;))
Now this is Only 20/20 Hindsight but Bush's Illegal War in Iraq has been a Nightmare - especially for the 100's of Thousands of innocent Iraqi Civilians who've been Killed + Injured - the recent #'s 1,600 one month + 1,200 the next month is appalling - the American people don't even give a Flying Fart about that* Saddam Hussein was a Bad News Bear who shouldda been Turfed Ages ago by his own People*
+ Iraq posed ZERO threat to America*
+ as zawadi has pointed out there's more Pressing Human issues like Darfur + I assume Walmart China has Human Rights Issues + North Koreans are Starving + New Orleans is still a Mess 2 years after Katrina*
I think the Billions in Dollars + Manpower could be much better spent applied to those Humanitarian Efforts than Wasted on Iraq!!
We didn't even Secure the Goddam OIL!!
;))
Bottom line is America can't impose it's form of Democracy on other People*
Being Canadian I support what our Troops are doing in Afghanistan*
What Woman or Man wants to Live Under Taliban Rule*
Almost as Bad + Evil as the Brainwashed Christian Fundamentalists trying to impose Their Religious Laws on Folks*
Scary Scary Poop!!
I just finished an awesome book god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens*
He basically points out how MAN has usurped Religion of whatever Flavour U care to Worship or Believe in + use it thru FEAR of God to control the People*
I think all people basically possess the good Common Sense of whass Right + whass Wrong*
Believe whatever ya want in the Privacy of yer own Church or Home - just don't bother trying to Impose it on Me or anybody else*
Cheers Folks!! Billy ;))
Peace*-
You must be my little brother :0
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Hi BillyWarhol. I liked your post.
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Zawadi, your experiences are like any other aspect of life. There are going to be idiots and haters. But most sensible people can distinguish between the United States and Americans. If they cannot, you will talk yourself blue and still get nowhere with them.
You see, I was stationed in Germany at the time we deployed our Pershing missles, a medium-range nuclear rocket. For some reason there were always people who felt that attacking me on the subject was a worthwhile endeavor. Why? Many made assumptions about my attitudes because I was an American, others because I was in a volunteer army. (As if there were plenty of jobs to choose from where I lived in 1983.)
I just got used to it. If people were interested in a genuine conversation, good. But if I was just supposed to be their target of the day, no thanks.
I was out and about so much with German civilians on weekends, also because I hitchhiked to get around, that I got a good feel for a wide variety of people in the mid-eighties there. That's one place where I learned to stop generalizing.-
Well said as always.
I have to say since I moved back to the East Coast I am frightened by some of the sweeping generalizations I see people make. Especially in regards to foreigners and people of different races, it is interesting to see the change in mindset from the people I knew in California to the people I see on the East Coast. -
Germany is a great place, went to to the east in 94 and loved it.
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Although I voted for Bush, I haven't agreed with everything he's done. But then again, has there ever been a perfect president?-
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I can't think of any that have destabilized international politics more than "W."
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"W" ???
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I'll go out on a limb here and bet stoneman is making reference to George "W" Bush.....
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Thanks. ;o)
I will agree with him then. lol.. ;o)
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Mormon for president?
Mormons are if I understand right, like jehovas witnesses?
I don't know exactly, there are a few in my extended family who are jehovas witnesses.
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No, Mormons are not the same. Have a look at Wikipedia, which can give you at least a rough idea.
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Thanks... I take wiki with a grain of salt but will do that. ;o)
Thought someone here would say yes or no, so thanks for that. ;o)
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Anti-Bush, of course -
Mormons ummm
Well i'm Anti Bush
Doesn't mean that when Bush is out of office, that this world will be a better place... does it?-
Probably not. Much of the damage that's been done won't be undone quickly or easily...if at all.
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anti-bush - which doesnt mean i'm anti conservative. that blog would be discussionati.com -
(as sung to
You IS A Human Animal)...
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Lose some union, you blame Bush,
Not your flaming leftist push,
For jobs without some work
Which you can't heed.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Whether Chavez or George Lucas,
You'd prefer Saddam had nuked us,
Instead of ending any threat you
couldn't see.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Burn Old Glory, steal a pill,
You'll abort more children still
than the UN or EU will ever need.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Whether he-she TV hack,
or just a hoe on mostly crack,
There's nothing you won't do to
not succeed.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Shrill and strident, you'll be true,
To all the things with which you've screwed,
FICA, families, schools, and Medicrap indeed.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Young or old, smart or tanned,
Oh Canada thinks you're still grand,
Though Vermont is where you'll make your
final stand.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Uncle Teddy, Cousin Lerch,
Any pardon selling perch,
Be better than the nation you
besmirch.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
When you speak, forests cry,
Booboo Boxer lets them fry,
Never mind the fuzzy critters that
all die.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
To the center Hillary runs,
Never mind you don't like guns,
That never stopped you once from
Shrieking MORE SEX WITH NUNS.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Diss the troops, hit a cop,
As long as cable you don't drop,
To watch the latest MeetUp numbers
flop.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Xerox Biden, Martin Sheen,
There's no time for Listerine,
But boiling smelly Birkenstocks is
keen.
You IS A Airhead Liberal,
You IS A Very Special Breed,
Suckled on the Kos Klown teet of state,
Your mantra daily MASTURBATE,
As cure for all ills foreign and
obscene...
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Inspired by this thread... just wrote about this issue.
www.mr-endoh.com/?p=270
Made some cross reference between the Bush's camp and my local political situation.-
Excellent post....although I am personally unfamiliar with Singapore politics your suggestions and insights regarding policy examination would be relevant to most other countries as well...
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