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Sep 11... An Inside job ?
Posted by aslam9895 • 9/01/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: terrorism, usa
Was Sep 11 incident an inside job?
I dont know. What I believed was what I saw in the news channels. US govt claimed that it is a terrorist attack by Islamic terrorist group.
But is it all true?
"Initially, most of us fell for their version of the events.
But then came the slip-ups. The leaseholder of the World Trade Center admitted on PBS in 'Rebuilding America' that WTC-7 was 'pulled' on 9/11, which is the standard slang for controlled demolition.
Look at the tapes from that day when TV anchors, Aaron Brown and Dan Rather first said the very same words about the collapses. Firefighters and rescue workers talked about explosives and bombs going off, all over in the buildings.
Recall the horrific images of the over 100-story towers coming down at free-fall speed, defying the laws of physics.
Recall the engineers who first stated that the planes and fires alone could not have caused the deadly collapse.
Now the evidence is gone, witnesses silenced, and an independent, real investigation never happened. Sure, it is hard to accept that we have all been fooled so long, but only discovering and facing the truth will set the U.S. free."..... What is the real truth?
The theory of sep 11 being an inside job was put forward my many American scientists and engineers themselves...
What is the real truth after all ?
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I just happened to go through a few website which proves that it was an inside job.
www.911sharethetruth.com/
www.911truth.org/-
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The sites prove crap.
The 'Truthers' have been completely debunked they are the Art Bell's of the 9.11 Attacks.
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I don't believe that, just like I don't believe my aunts palastinian boyfriend who said the jews were responsible.
We saw it with our own eyes what happened.-
you say that you saw it with your own eyes... but what did you see..plane crashing into twin towers.... later through media you come to know that, its done by a group of 19 terrorists..
why dont we go behind the scenes, the real scenario in which these events took place. Just because BBC and CNN declared it as a terrorist attack, we cant accept that to be the truth. those are the words of politicians and they are biased. The Engineers and scientists who are experts in chemical theories, metal theories, physics etc, they say that just a plane crashing into a building cannot bring building of that standard down within minutes -
Whose words then would you find acceptable as evidence that it wasn't an inside job?
Who are all of these engineers who say this is impossible?
What would be the motivation of US politicians to work in conjunction with Islamic entities to fly the planes-- with whom the country had not had positive relations-- in order to blow up our own buildings?
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i dont know whom to believe. I am a believer of truth. These engineers who brought forward these theories are not any Islamic activists sittings inside the caves of Afghanistan. They are the native Americans who has the same bad feeling of such a disastrous attack. If it was really a terrorist attack and that is what's the truth, then in that case US is still under the terror of these terror groups and no US native will go against govt to prove that these terrorist groups were not involved.
What I am telling is, these scientists and engineers who are mastered in the respective fields of engineering, they bring this theories to prove that it was an inside job with their LOGICAL facts about the attacks and they even are ready to go for an open discussion with govt on these facts. Why were their voice suppressed??
I saw few videos, and most of them just are LOGICAL..i did not find anything illogical statements or discoveries made, i am strongly against illogical facts. -
September 11 had a surreal quality to us all because we witnessed something we never imagined was a possibility.
Naturally, we want to rationalize.
But I think it is BECAUSE 9/11 was so horrific and not something that we would have ever envisioned as a populace, it almost seems EASIER to try to say it was an inside job.
That we'd almost rather believe that, because it might just be easier to accept. To envision.
Unfortunately, what our brains can find easier to deal with in some ways, is not always fact.
And keep in mind, for almost anything you'd like to "prove" there will be some group of scientists who will have studies to support it.
Scientists, like the rest of us, have their own biases. We like to think that because of the nature of science, they don't. But that isn't always the case. They're human, too. -
@ThriftShopRomantic
you have made a good and valid point and I totally agree with you with this. Sep 11 was such a disastrous attack that anyone can imagine and whatever fact the govt will bring after this incident will surely make an impact on the whole world. And so did it happen. Islamophobia spreads, America attacks Afghanistan, then IRAQ, I dont know which nation is the next target. I am not American , not an Afghans , neither am I an Iraqi... I am a neutral person who care about such things and condemn such acts whoever might have did it. But the truth has to come out. Because if we believe what govt has shown us to be true, then if it is an inside job, the real culprits are still enjoying the worldly pleasure without being punished.
Just go through the facts brought by these engineers, they are not just absolute blunders, they are valid points based on concepts of physics and chemistry and communication which I and you have studied in our colleges.
If we can believe the scientists and accept that a child goes through different stages inside a mother womb and accept their scientific study(even though we never saw these stages happening), why cant we at least have a discussion on the facts brought by these scientists on these issues ... This time since it is against the GOVT that they are being called as anti govt bodies?? -
Personally, I would need far more understanding of physics myself in order to make a determination like that.
People study various areas of science all their lives and still reach separate theories from others in their field.
I would not feel comfortable, with my laymen's understanding, making that sort of conclusion.
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i didn't read a word of the content other than the title of the discussion.
that's all i needed to read to have an answer.
no! it was not an inside job.
and to entertain anything else is a complete waste of my time.
i'll leave the time wasting to conspiracy theorists.
they do a splendid job of it.-
@ rcrane
you did not read the contents. that shows your interest in this issue and how blindly you follow what government say and put in front of you.
not only you, many are of this kind, even i belonged to this category where i just thought, what media is showing is the truth..but NO..media showed only the thing which was presented to them by politicians and govt officials. the real truth was kept underground and never disclosed by any media.
Conspiracy theorists on sep 11 brought the fact infront of us with valid proofs. just check dis video:
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valid proofs
Is that the video with the picture of Satan in the smoke?
That's not proof.
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I think the circumstances surrounding that event where mysteriously convenient. I think the internal and financial connections and ties between Bush and Osama were also mysteriously conveneient. The late military response, the profitable war that insued because of it, the claims of WMDs that were proven to be lies...so on. I think when you tie that into the fact that most governments are very corrupt, it's easy to see how a conspiracy theory would be put together. The most convenient thing about 9/11 is it plays on two of the strongest items to promote political loyalty; a common enemy and a question of patiotism. It's un-American to question things like this, so many people don't. Perhaps they are counting on people not to question it. I question it, but I'm not convinced either way.-
Wrong spot.
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I have a couple of uncles that are engineers. I have watched with them the building of the wtc on discovery.
Now no one ever fathomed air buses hitting them,but if the engineer who did design the building would have built a building to withstand an air bus hitting it.
They probably wouldn't have put all of the steele tresses "support" in the middle of the building. He probably would have reinforced the 4 sides of the building. I'm not saying its the fault of the engineer either. No one could have ever imagined this.-
I don't see what the engineering of the buildings have to do with it. As you said, no one would expect airplanes to hit a building containing enough fuel to completely annihilate it.
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what about Pentagon attack, no debris of plane found near the collapsed building, if we see the pictures, we find a round hole made in the wall by the plane. passenger planes have huge wings, no signs of any damage made by a plane wing like destruction of windows in that building etc.
another valid point, the height at which the plane was flying, yet mobile communication being successful is having probability of just 0.06% and still research are going on to achieve successful mobile communication at that height. but passengers makes call to their home informing about the hijack..not only that, one of passengers who calls to his home addressees to his mom with his surname, which son in this world will address to his mom with a surname..these are the facts which still brings doubt in my mind of 9/11 being an inside job
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Looking at it from an arabics person point of view such as myself, the US government could be behind this.
sept 11 happened a couple of months after bush got elected, so it was giving him the full span of his presidency period. second, if we look at the events now, and see what has happenesed since, we realize that US has got its foot in countries such as iraq and afghanistand, both of which produce alot of oil. And the excuse they are using is terrorists and their threats. but if we look at things, we realize that these terrorsits have increased in number since sept 11, and not decreased. In my opinion bush needed something to get him into the middle east, sept 11 and terrorism was the best way, its a justifiable cause that the can use to say, look their are terrorsits, and they are dangerrous, so i have to go there.
wihtout sept 11 what would he have used to go to iraq and afghanistan?? and he realized that iran was growing in strength, and couldnt let it have a hand in iraq again -
and i once stayed for hours just reviewing footage on youtube and other sites, and reading comments by people, many say there were additional explosions along the building, videos show explosions from the sides, bangs can be heard. of course we can tbe sure they are 100% authentic, but many show the same things, and from different angles. politics is dirty, very dirty, and countries would sacrifice their citizen for a much larger cause, i am in lebanon andi know how dirty politicians are here. so its all possible. politicians are the only liars that people will follow blindly because of their charisma and actions
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I think it's the rational ability for people to visualize these things happening, though, which is what gives conspiracy theories in general their longevity.
There's that nugget of "why not?" that humans tend to layer the conspiracies on top of.
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American politicians along with the politicians of some other nation talk about Islamic terrorist and talk about Islamophobia.
Bad guys are always there in every religion. Hitler and Mussolini were also considered as terrorists for what they have did in the past, but they were Christians, this does not mean that Christianity preaches terrorism. No never. No religions wanta terrorism, all wants is peace and so is Islam. But why is there a huge Islamophobia hype all over the world, it is because a powerful nation and its media is showing it that way. In srilanka, there is terrorist organization called LTTE, highly dangerous organization which conducted many terrorist attacks in Srilanka and in India who even assassinated one Indian prime minister, This LTTE group are the followers of Hindus, there are many terror organization in western countries which conducts far more horrible terror attacks and these attacks are not given any hype, why there is such a bias and why a particular religion being targeted ?
by these words i am not justifying the 9/11 attack..those who are behind 9/11 are against humanity and they has to be severely punished -
What government would risk attacking its own citizens? Imagine if Prez Bush were to be proven guilty what could be the ramifications?
Surely there will be hundreds of other ways to achieve the same objectives some of you are talking about. They could even target Israel, for example.. or any other hot-spot
Disclaimer: The statements are for the SOLE purpose of this discussion. I have nothing against anyone and discourage anyone from thinking so-
@crazyTsu
you have made a great point brother.
This is the only thing which makes me think , it cant be an inside job, what will a government gain attacking its own citizen, no government will do that. But, we have seen the consequences of the attack. Afghanistan war, its been a long time and still the prime suspect Osama is not caught, Afghan under the control of US, later attack on IRAQ saying, they have weapons of mass destruction, but nothing of such kind was found. Later the war aim was turned up saying, SADDAM is criminal and he needs to be brought down. SADDAM might be a terrorism or criminal, but that doesn't mean you attack a country and make the people who are innocent suffer, even after so many years, the situation in Afghan and IRAQ is not yet fine.
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You may think so, but we had a prime minister assasinated here, and the ramifications of that are still being felt 4 years after it happened, and till now no one knows who did it, but we know why and we are seeing its results. after him 8 otehrs were assasinated and 5 explosions went around the country in a span of around 1.5 years. why because they were seeing things not going their way, and acted. for example, stability in lebanon would not benefit many politicians and groups here, some who are members of the government, so they do these things. this is a small scale compared to US,but am showing you that politicians would sacrifice the lives of some as long as there is benefit for the country for the future. and for them, controlling these countries, and having a grip on the middle east which they didnt have before because of their lack of presence will help the US for the future, and contrary to what bush said, not one weapons of mass distruction was found, while his reason to attack was just these. politics is dirty, and money and fuel are more important than the lives of people. in iraq more than 100,000 civilians have died.did the US have to invade iraq to kill sadam? couldnt a strike, or some assisnation attempt,bribing or paying members, people or some group to go kill him, wouldnt that have been easier? sorry if i may sound rude, but living in the middle east, and in lebanon, where the US plays a role in how our politics goes, does get frustrating, because i see my country getting worst rather than better due to the interferences of the US and other countries such as iran syria saudi arabia and the uk
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Even assume America conquered all the world because of 9/11. But WHY target own citizens? They could target any number of other places, any number of other weak nations they are protecting. Wasn't the Kuwait invasion a good enough 'excuse'?
You imagine your own country where you were raised. Can you EVER think of destroying it and harming thousands of people just like yourself?
And GWB is respectable by any standards, inspite of any amount of lampooning by other people. He is no criminal to think of bringing down structures in the middle of the country's financial hub - all to achieve vague goals of conquests.
If USA depends on arabs for Oil, even the Arabs must depend on US for something. There is seldom a one-way street and there are innumerable ways US could have negotiated for Oil if that's what they wanted
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@crazytsu.
yes you are right when you say US cannot attack its own citizen to achieve something. It may be true. No one can think of such acts. Its unimaginable for me too. but dont you believe Saddam Hussein, the president of a nation killed many of his own nations citizens, It's in mdeia that, Saddam has done such crimes, though I never know if its true or false, but Most nations govt believe it's true. May be saddam can do such crime. let me ask you..do you believe that Saddam can go this extent and kill thousands of iraqi citisen being the president, if your answer is YEs, then I say, any political regime can go to any extent to achieve their selfish goals.
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There is a difference between a life-time dictator and a democratically elected head of state whose term can end in 4 years or less
Absolute power = corrupts absolutely
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These kinds of conspiracy theories really crack me up.
Every few months there's another embarrassing/troubling government secret revealed by the media. Hell, the secret waterboarding of three Gitmo prisoners was known by what, a dozen people, and now it's known by the world.
But the government can keep secret something as big as a 9/11 operation, which would have to involve literaly hundreds of non-government people?
And although the government can silence all the people supposedly involved in the conspiracy, it can't keep "revealing" videos off of YouTube?
Government is shown daily to be pretty damn incompetent at planning and executing limited secret operations, and then keeping the ops secret. But the conspiracty theorists still think the government can keep a lid on really huge secret things?
This makes me think the CTs are either mentally/emotionally disturbed, or they just enjoy imaginative thinking.-
My dear brother, they are not imaginative thinking, but the facts brought up with studies made on these attacks based on the principle of science. you believe the scientists who told there is something called gravity for earth, you believe these so called scientist when they say there is no life in outer space, you believe when they say that there are something called atoms, nucleus... sun is made of hydrogen though no one ever went to sun to have a look into that, but we still believe these theories made based on the evidences and facts ... but when these so called scientist go against a government and prove something, that is not being accepted by many of us, why.... if government controlled media say that SADDAM was against humanity and killed many citizens of IRAQ even though he is an Iraqi president, we sit at our home watching these news and say, SADDAM is a criminal , a terrorist, May be he has done such acts and for that he has to be punished, but not at the cost of lives of innocent Iraqi citizens. Life lost of innocent citizens of IRAQ and Afganistan is far far far more than the life's lost in 9/11 attack. Both form of acts against humanity has to be strongly condemned. Those who did 9//11 attacks must be punished as they are against humanity and the killings of innocent people at afghanisan and Iraq is also not justifiable at any cost. Life is life, no matter he is an american, an afghan or an iraqi or any other country.
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"the facts brought up with studies made on these attacks based on the principle of science."
Fact supported by principle of science: the conspiracy theorists on this subject are crazy.
It's really weird to be addressed as "my dear brother" by some unknown poster on a message board. Weird to the point of being crazy. -
@bullgrit
well...my religion teach me that, all of the human kind are my brothers and sisters, and we are here to follow humanity. Well for me calling an unknown person like you is not crazy, but a show of humanity and love, if u feel that it is crazy, I dont want to comment on that. Well it is far far better to call someone as brother or sister , rather calling he/she with some unwanted abusing names. If you notice in BC too, you will find, people calling each ther brother or sister will be less, but in many forums you will find people abusing other telling Morons, F***er, Looser, etc etc... peace is what needs to be spread and for that we have to understand what is love to mankind.
Thankyou
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But the Bush Admin sure knew hows to keep releasing the Bin Laden Tapes shortly after the Zogby polls called for a reinvestigation of the 911 Commission.
Who had most to gain by the 911 attacks?
Let use common sense here.-
in my opinion the US. iraq and afghanistan are not better than they were before, the US lost hundreds of soldiers, and those killed in 9/11 but in return they got oil and money benefiting them for many years to come. and alot of money is being generated in iraq through investments, many of which the US has a hand in.
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Common sense is not really that common Rozie
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Not the US, Private Companies Gained, Companies Like The Carlye Group etc etc etc. These companies that are supported by Bush and Cheney.
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Did you know that Neil Armstrong never really landed on the moon? You can read about it over here: www.theonion.com/content/news/conspiracy_theorist_convinces_neil . -
Doug we are talking about loss of life here, I know I loss family and it may seem funny to you, but not to me. You may want to believe a cave dweller did it, when I believe partners of Hitler we're behind it. I bet I spent more time researching it.
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It's like the Kennedy assassination. I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth.-
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Going by the comments of this thread, 911 looked like big big Hollywood like blockbuster executed in real time ( who ever did that ), you watched movie 'Eraser' starring calif. gov Arnold (though its just a small story ) many things can be erased and created, cannot survive in the dark , there has to be extensive studies for the sake of humanity, not just the Americans or British, but for all those innocent men and women, children and the old, who died like they never belonged to this world, they were just here to be maimed and killed. An investigation involving multi-nation commission to bring the truth to light, it's like America globe trotting with its Arsenal, drumming up support in the EU with NATO alliance, it looks so ugly, eight years ago the slogan was * with us or against us*.... now it has changed to * America is not the enemy of Islam *..........after another eight years ........ * lets kill the chinese may be .....*...... God knows better.... -
I'm just going to say this: don't believe everything you read. Especially if you read it online!
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Don't you believe that the soldiers died ? they too were humans first, Don't you believe that millions of innocents died ? they too were humans first, If you believe this, then what's wrong in finding the truth, even if it is online, I am not scared of anyone..... are you ?
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I do believe that people died. I do not believe on any of the conspiracy theories related to 9/11 being an inside job. It doesn't make sense to me. I try to be more skeptical and rational.
I don't disagree that one is entitled to finding the truth but there are a lot of people that state their thoughts as facts, when they are not, then people start believing in those thoughts as real, when they are not. I have a real problem with that, thats what I meant by not believing everything you read. Just analyze the sources of what you are reading in a rational way. -
I don't see your rationality of these wars, the pretext for going to war with IRAQ was * Weapons of Mass Destruction * stockpiled in whole of the Iraq and could be lanunched on allies in the middle east by the blood mongering Saddam, who was not long ago was an American Ally, like all the present the dictators in the middle-east who still enjoy America's full support.
Everyone forgot about a UN chief Inspector named Hans Blix from Sweden, who tirelessly highlighted in the media before the Iraq war, that there are no such things like WMD's in Iraq, you never believed this, but believed in killing, so you continue to kill, this is your rational........ Infact Gen Collins showed some Mobile Toy Trollies and stated that in the UN General Assembly, see the Mobile Nuclear Launch Vehicle you believed. What rationality are you talking about ?
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Excuse me crawler but you are putting words in my mouth. I never said I believe in any of the things you say I believe.
"there are no such things like WMD's in Iraq, you never believed this, but believed in killing, so you continue to kill, this is your rational"
I do believe there aren't WMD's in Iraq. I believe people are getting killed for no good reason. I have not killed anyone, so I can't "continue to kill" and that is very rational.
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Wars killing innocent people, it's never I meant you as an individual( excuse me if you felt so ), you should see the rationality, why support the directionless wars, they are not making this world a safer place by any means.
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You mean stuff like this:
There is a law known as the Trading with the Enemy Act. The U.S. government took over the Union Banking Corporation. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares. All of the corporations stock were owned by either Prescott S. Bush, E. Roland Bunny Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Preston S. Bush. -
Why the hell would are Government blow up are own communication centers and then spend the money to rebuild them? How would this benefit them in any way? -
I have to laugh how people would rather believe that a bunch of idiots with box cutters took over planes and flew them all over the country while the mighty FAA and the US Air Force stood by and let it happen. I know, we we're really taken off guard.
Why take planes from Boston to fly to New York unless you KNEW for sure you were gonna make it. Why not use the plane from Newark? more fuel, shorter distance, better chance not to miss.
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Innocent Afghan civilians continue to die bit.ly/X2kfa as a result.
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Ahh...conspiracy theories. I believe governments are inheritantly(sp?) corrupt. I also believe that terrorists exist. As with any event that shocks the world on the global stage -WTC, London Bombings, Kennedy Assasination, etc....there are always going to be a lot more than the standard two points of view (yours and mine...and now everyone elses!!).
As far as 9/11 goes...I will trust my father. He was one of the ash covered "ghosts" that went scrambling from the towers as he emerged from one tower to look straight over his head and listened and watched as the engine of another plane roared into the second tower. With that image permanently burned into his memory....he had an office that had a view of the towers, once his building was cleared for re-occupancy he rearranged his office as to not have to look at the gaping hole left in the ground by the destruction. YES a plane(s) can and did take down a tower of that size. And if it is logic that you want, than watch the tapes again...if you think a building of that size will crumble silently to the ground without chain reaction explosions happening, I hope you are not calling yourself a scientist! -
An inside operation of that magnitude would have to involve several hundreds of people from within the government/Army/FBI/CIA and others, knowing about it for several months in advance. I think it's okay to believe that at least a few dozens of them (if not most of them) would not agree to participate in this crime and would try to go public with this information in order to blow the operation before it will be carried out. No one talked before the event as far as I know. Large scale conspiracies are simply impractical. -
EXACTLY...Uri.
Why in the world would u set up this massacre,and murder your own citizens in the name of OIL,which I don't think gas dropped when we went to war in iraq & afhganistan -
It's funny how even an absurd debate attracts so many suckers (including myself)
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"It's funny how even an absurd debate attracts so many suckers (including myself)"
@crazyTsu I think you care less about life, it's never absurd to discuss about saving innocent lives. If people dying sucks you, then what do you like the most ?? -
Go man you don't make sense to me. If you are interested in absurdities I have opened another thread attributing conspiracy to financial markets meltdown.
And you can even make a thread about how the moon landing was false. You will even have Neil Armstrong on your side -
Neil Armstrong in a rare appearance bit.ly/R5CMD
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Two quotes from an article about a different conspiracy theory come to mind:
(1) “Evidence … has been proved to feed conspiracies, rather than kill them.”
(2) “What most people would view as truly bizarre, conspiracy theorists find energizing.”
Liz Halloran, “Why Do Doubts About Obama’s Birthplace Persist?,” NPR, July 29, 2009
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It's so clear America caused 9/11, just watch Loose Change.
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I don't know what your real goal here is but trying to capitalize on the murder of thousands is ghoulish. Please stop. Maybe you can find a car wreck or something to drool over. -
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Isn't that the guy who believes that some idiots took a crash course in flying lessons and hijacked some planes with box cutters, flew them from Boston, evaded the FAA, out ran our Air Force and aimed them right into 2 Buildings a 1/2 hour apart in downtown Manhattan. Took down 200 stories of the towers in a controlled collapse.
Yep, lots of those hat wearing morons out there.
Conspiracies, work from both sides of the fence. And you don't need hundreds of people to pull them off, just well placed and trusted ones to pull off a inside job. That's all it is a inside job. With a public spin.-
I don't know How much truth lies in this comment, but I have gone through this for the first time.
bit.ly/1ltaC2
I cannot say much
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@Rozie,
I believe there were at least 15 different nationa defense drills going on that day, a record in recent history. For example, jets had flown off to far away places.
Just like drills were going at the same time in the same stations during the London tube attacks.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc
Of course, in the conspiracy theory vein, one can believe the alleged terrorists new about this, and thought that would confuse things so much, they would have a better chance of pulling their plan off.
Or that they managed to derail Verint's touted videosurveillance system in the London underground.
These people have their doubts.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7QUF_vxMBw&NR=1
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What do I think? I think you should keep taking your medicine every day, just like the doctor recommended, and stop inflicting your paranoid fantasies on everybody else. -
these are the views of Christopher Bollyn, wake up please ! bollyn.com/index.php#article_11310
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There is a theory about conspiracy theorists. They are intellectually insecure. They feel put-down when they are out-matched by those with more conventional information or knowledge. So any opportunity to seize onto a conspiracy theory about something, no matter how "out there" the theory is, they seize on to it. "Ha ha, you smart-ass idiots! You think you know it all! But you don't EVEN BEGIN to know what ACTUALLY happened! Ha. Ha."
Oh, well... (Ah, wail...) If common sense is a burden and an intricate conspiracy lifts the weight, go for it. Whatever gets us through the day.-
Except that that's what's driving the current health care debate in the US, instead of actual policy discussions.
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dealing with a conspiracy theorist is akin to dealing with a pathological liar. the more you challenge, the more they lie or in this case theorize. and of course, theorists really never offer proof of anything because it's hard work to prove what didn't happen. all they offer are bogus theories to bogus questions for purposes unclear to normal earthlings. it's almost always as if the simple truth is too unbearable to accept, that there had to be another cause, one more in line with one's world view. such is the case i suspect with some of our folks here.
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So R Crane I ask you what happened?
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19 guys with a simple plan, nothing you care to believe.
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Sorry to break a few peoples bubbles here, it is those who believe 19 beduins with boxcutters can topple three buildings with two planes who are "conspiracy theorists".
To quote professor David Ray Griffin:
www.alternet.org/story/100688/the_ultimate_9_11_%27truth%27_showdown%3A_dav...
"A conspiracy is simply an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime. One holds a conspiracy theory about some event (such as a bank robbery or a corporation defrauding its stockholders) if one believes that it resulted from such an agreement. A conspiracy theorist is simply someone who accepts such a theory.
According to the Bush-Cheney administration, the 9/11 attacks resulted from a conspiracy between Osama bin Laden and various members of al-Qaeda, including the 19 men accused of hijacking the airliners. This official account is, therefore, a conspiracy theory. (This is not a new point: I made it in my first book on 9/11, The New Pearl Harbor. I even made it in the title of my 2007 book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory. ) Accordingly, insofar as you accept this official account, you are a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. And yet you evidently do not consider yourself an idiot. Rather, you save that description, along with the term "conspiracy theorist," for those who reject the official conspiracy theory."
"In addition to this one-sidedness, there is a second problem with your claim that anyone challenging a theory must have a complete alternative theory: It is false. There are several ways to challenge a theory. You can cast doubt on it by showing that its alleged evidence does not stand up to scrutiny. You can show that a theory is probably false by pointing to evidence that apparently contradicts it. You can positively disprove a theory by providing evidence showing that it cannot possibly be true. The 9/11 truth movement has done all three with regard to the official account." -
19 guys with a simple plan, you believe that. That was a simple plan?
Just take a few lessons, walk right on and boom. Talk about conspiracies theories. Oh yeah I forgot, all the id's found in the car at the airport, that sealed it. Sorry.-
it's not a matter of believing. it is what happened, as disturbing as it might be. and yes it was a rather simple plan, and quite frankly smarter than anything you can concoct.
but i'm wasting my time. it's like wrestling a pig in the mud. the pig loves it and i'm just going to get dirty in the process.
i have to go really. i have an appointment on the planet earth.
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" . . . You just crossed over into the twilight zone."
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Bin Laden said he did it. -
R Crane
What do you mean it is what happened ? where is the proof of that?
Someone told you that? word of mouth? There is no black box, no dna, no witness, no evidence. How can you make that claim. Where is your proof? Your basing your claim on hear say.
Your appointment is with a bucket full of lies.-
Your comment makes me want to repeat two quotes, not for your benefit, but for those who wonder why people like you still need proof that 9/11 was a terrorist attack: www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/sep-11-an-inside-job#comment_1111314
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now those quotes make sense. thanks.
and i suppose i who felt the bush/cheney years were the longest of my life, who would have been more than ready to believe an inside job, who is an avid obama guy, would have listened to these fringers if only they had a shred of evidence, but of course they don't. so i am left to live a life as a "bush berry" because i don't buy their plan 10 from outer space. whoa is me.
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I've spent years playing this game and there are still bush berries still out there. Tired - I'm more about this right now...
www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/the-sept-11th-in-memory-thread -
I don't think it was organised by the government, but allowed to happen? That holds SLIGHTLY more possibility. But only just. I can't accept that Bush/the government would have done such a thing despite their idiocy and general incapability to govern.-
Consciously allowed it to happen? Never. Unwittingly allowed it to happen because it didn't connect the dots? We already know that, no?
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One last thought:
Anyone one who can use the word "Concoct" in a sentence I have to avoid. lol.
That's just too funny,
"Hey Louie I Just Concocted A Way To Get Rid Of Jimmy Bag Of Rumors"
Different worlds, different views.
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