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Sex with animals... is it ok?
Posted by MrPoo • 12 days ago • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: animal sex, german shepherd, guinea pig, pet
People love their pets. And some people even so much that they make love with them. But is that ok. I`m not talking about raping a guinea pig. For example having sex with an german shepherd. If the dog enjoys it too, is it then ok? Or should sex with animals be forbidden?
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Have to say, I heard about this and I always thought that it was illegal, everywhere. But I googled it a few minutes ago and saw that it is only illegal by law in Denmark, the Netherlands and most of the States and that many other countries have their own specific law arrangements about this subject, like they only forbid mistreatment of animals, but don't say anything about sexual acts.
Personally, I think sex with animals isn't right.-
Thanx for the information. I`m surprised that its illigal in the Netherlands, they are so free with with many things, like canabis, prostitution and abortion. But NO to animal sex, whats wrong with it Netherland?
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TJlubrano, why do you think it isn´t right?
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You're very welcome haha.
The Netherlands is really liberate with many things. But when it comes to animals, especially dogs and horses they are very protective. And sex with animals is a definite no. But this doesn't mean that it never happened here though.
I just don't see why you want to have sex with animals. It's just unnatural. Sure you can love them a lot, but if you want to have sex...just find another human being. -
Uhhh, I dont want to have sex with animals. I just wanna know if its ok if somebody has sex with an animal. Just because we dont like it, we shouldn´t tell others not to do it.
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Do any of you has experienced in having sex with animale
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Haven't people learned anything from Mr. Hands?-
*thinks* Friday, who is Mr.Hands?
Edit: I googled it. How could I forget about that! man that was...I don't even have the right words for that. -
Now, where is Anok's secret stash of brain bleach?
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Just so you know, Mr. Hand is not in family with Mr. Poo.
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Uh oh...that stash was a secret? But I knew exactly where it was...the third shelf of the blue closet in the washing room. You know, the washing room in that old garage.
^_^
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This topic is a new low.-
You must be new
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I find this topic offensive, revolting and disgusting.-
I too find it disgusting. Why should one CARE if it's allowed of not. Even the thought of it is not normal. The end. -
Yes I agree. Sex with animals is disgusting.
But you should know, there are people who have sex with their animals, if you like it or not.
The question is, if its ok, or if it should be illigal? -
I realize that but of course it isn't okay and of course it should be illegal. That's a given. Any country that allows such things is assbackwards and was probably the prime location for movies such as "The Hill's Have Eyes" or "Wrong Turn".
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Usually we don't consider sex "okay" if it is not consensual. How does a human manage to get an animals consent to begin with? Then there is the case of when an animal comes on to you first, and you consent to it and allow it, then the question is, is having sex with other species okay? First, I would like to here the arguments of those that are against it. What is their reasoning? Just that they find it disgusting or do they actually have an intellectual or moral argument against it?-
You are right. Nobody has some intellectual arguments. Disgusting, yes, but have you ever been on a chicken farm. The chicken are stuffed together and they are suffering so we can buy cheap eegs and eat cheap chicken wings. Thats disgusting. And I´m sure everybody eats chicken.
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Yes, that somebody finds it disgusting isn't an argument. People are quick to dismiss the topic as offensive and disgusting, yet they appear to be unable to justify why it is wrong.
There are indeed people that have sex with animals. So let's hear an intellectual or moral argument on why those people are wrong. I have already stated my argument in regards to "consent." -
Let me ask everybody in here. If you can choose to be an animal in your next life, would you rather be a dog having sex with your owner or would you like to be that chicken in the chicken farm (because thats ok, that animal have to suffer, so we can have a cheap meal).
I would like to be the dog. -
I am thinking about giving up with industrial chicken:-D! Seriously! The argument I have here is that however I am not vegan, I think that eating an animal that has been living in stress is not good for me. Plus they stink!!
For sex with animals, I have no idea. Is there some species that have sex with other species? I think so.The only 2 species that can have a reproductive sex together are the horse and the Donkey.
Does the idea of sex between humans and animals disturb me? yes. But I have no moral argument here.
Like for those who practise SM (with 2 consentent partners), I have no moral argument but it disturbs me. -
Morgan: It violates the categorical imperative of Kantian ethics. You can't universalize it. If everyone had sex with nonhuman animals, our population would become unstable and the human race would die out due to lack of reproduction.
(Grasping for straws here.) -
Would the human race dieing out and other animals thriving be a bad thing?
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To humans? Yes.
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What makes all humans being dead a "bad" thing? After all, there would be no us to know it anyways.
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Why would one want to?-
That's a VERRRYYYY good question.
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Agree..there's no reason at all to do it!Just wanna try it?hmmhhh..i don't think so.. -
No! No! Sex is never okay without the participant's consent. Animals cannot give their consent, so it is never okay.-
What if a dog starts to hump a female human, and the female consents to the animal penetrating. What is wrong about that?
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Can a chicken give their consent to live a life like in a concentration camp?
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MrPoo, I'm not so sure that humans breeding and using chickens for food to support human survival is a good analogy to having sexual encounters with an animal.
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Of course we need animals for food. But they dont have to suffer before they are going into the food chaine. What I ment, was that if something is out of the norm, like having sex with an animal, people are very fast in judgeing. Many animals have a terible life so they can be food for the humans. And thats totally ok.
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Then, the question becomes is the woman mentally competent to give her consent.
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I agree. I never gave my consent to lose my 401 k or have my boyfriend walk out the door. Bad stuff happens to all living creatures whether a chicken or a human. The questions is whether it is morally right to have sex with animals. It is not the same subject, in my opinion.
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Animals don't enjoy sex. They do it to reproduce. Have you ever seen two dogs stuck together after breeding? They are clearly not enjoying themselves. Animals instintually know how to reproduce and clearly having interspecies sex is not going to obtain that goal. It's completely assinine to claim an animal would enjoy having sex with a woman.
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How do you know that animals dont enjoy sex? I dont belive, that they are thinking "Hey honey, we have to do it because we need to reproduce so our race isnt dying".
Of course they feel joy during having sex. But why do they have to stuck together after breeding? Sex is over and the fun part is gone. If I could, I would do the same. A human being is an animal, and why should our sex be so different from the other animals? -
I agree with pinkmonkeychatter. Animals won't give their consent to humans. They want partners like them. It will be abuse of these innocent animals. So in my opinion its crime and should be illegal everywhere.
Found this topic nasty though. -
Sometimes it’s necessary to discuss nasty topics. Hiding from them won’t change them.
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Here in the south that I know of we have them doing goats, horses (a man was killed a few months back here) and a cow down the road. There have been court cases about dogs. There was one where the husband tied his wife up the the bed and used the dog. He was found guilty and she asked to keep the dog and the judge agreed. (a friend on the jury of that case) The EMT'e here pick them up all the time. That is in two states that I know of. Tennessee and Albama. It is sad that people would even consider it and just gross to think about.-
Okay, but why is it wrong?
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It is sick and it is abuse to the animals. My dogs couldnt tell you they wanted it. That is rape. Any way you look at it. Forced sex with out consent.
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What if they come on to you and you consent? What is wrong with that?
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hahaha I can just see that I mean a pig coming up to me and grunting. and pushing on by boobs with his nose. Then smelling my butt and trying to push me down. Animals will not hit on humans unless taught. It is not natural at all.
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Dogs hump people all the time.
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How come you guys missed it - pregnancy. What if the animal's egg got fertilized by human sperm? If it results in a pregnancy, how would the new creature be? And what rights would it have? Ugh it was difficult to come this far down that path //vomit//-
That's a physical impossibility. Interspecies sex cannot produce offspring.
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Since all moral codes are human inventions it's impossible to prove bestiality is "wrong." It's merely an opinion, not a fact.-
Here we go, best answer right now.
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Yes but a moral code can be internally consistent and consistent with the world.
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does PETA know about this?!? o_0-
PETA should know, that all animals got a right to have sex.
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Its all good til you wind up with kiduppies
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Now we know where Swine-Flu comes from...
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hw about aids
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I am disgusted by sex with animals but I do have a problem with someone being charge with a felony offense for having relations with a goat or horse. It is a felony in South Carolina.-
What about troll ornaments, is it bad to have a sexual fetish for troll ornaments?
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No, I think is it perfectly OK to fetish away with Gnomes. You take your life in your hands (or other parts) but have at it.
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Gnomes! Yes, that is what I meant, I always forget what they are called.
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As disgusting as it is, and as abominable, somehow it still seems a little less wrong then wrongfully taking advantage of a woman's love. That's not to say it's right, but in comparison to much of what happens in the carnal Crock pot, I'd say it seems fairly tame.
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I like the phrase "carnal crock pot"
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I prefer a carnal wok...
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"If i don't do it then its disgusting!"- Ignorance
"I see nothing wrong with having sex with an animal, aren't I an animal!"- Wisdom
"Shut up wisdom!"- Ignorance-
Are you really fourteen?
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Actually I'm fifteen, but Why do most people ask me my age?
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I think it's important to remember that a "no woof" means "no" -
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why?
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I'm still having a hard time trying to ascertain why I even looked at this thread. LMAO!
OK - check it out.
NO. It's not acceptable.
Why?
Because it is interspecies sex.
There is nothing productive from it - and there is no possibility of anything forming (children) from the interaction.
Not only that - there is no real communication - and I cannot think that an animal is acting beyond base instincts.
If it is a Male Human and a female animal - most female animals do not experience orgasm.
Besides COME ON... To me... It is pretty gross.
Between sentient human beings - fine - adults, that is...
But animals?
Come ON - why is this even a discussion - other than for humor?
Seriously - those that are into bestiality have some issues I'd rather not discuss... It generally means they have something wrong with them mentally that just is truly off kilter as they cannot enjoy their own species.-
Has sex to be productive to be acceptable? So gay sex and sex with condoms are not acceptable?
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Uhmmmmm...
No...
And that wasn't the POINT.
Animals don't usually have sex just for pleasure.
*There are a few exceptions, I am sure*
But they generally have sex because of mating hormones.
Humans on the other hand have developed sexual appetites... Sigh...
Don't confuse the issues.
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I am kinda freaked out after checking into this!
I have to say, it is not a question that has ever crossed my mind. But my answer now I have considered it is NO IT IS NOT OK!
I agree with the posts above that say there can be no consent, but even as I'm typing this I'm thinking WTF???
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What kind of question is this anyway?-
finally a very interesting discussion.
This question my friend..is... "Awesome!!"
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err...I say no no to the so called sex thingy with animals. its cruelty. -
It´s a tricky question. People are very fast in their answers, and its always a "NO". But it´s not easy to come with an reasonable answere. Yes it is provocating and out of the norm. But normal things in life have become so acceptable, even they might be disgusting too, that we forget to reason about them and just accept it the way it is.
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yeah..we even accept some politicians..
we forget the reason and still vote for them!!
they are soo disgusting and they F[beep] with our lives. -
People are quick to reject the idea but most are failing to explain why it is wrong.
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If there was ever something that didn't require an explanation as to why, surely this is it!
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Appeals of self-evidence are fallacious and typically only apply when the inverse of a proposition is contradictory. But this is not the case here, so an appeal to this as being self-evident fails.
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I wrote why but was given some sort of funky retort.
No I don't think homosexuality is wrong...
But sex has it's origins in procreation - with some pleasure on the side...
But now that humankind has managed to populate the earth - it's mostly about pleasure now - and certainly animals are NOT getting pleasure (at least not to the degree humans are....)
Anyhow - the reason I disagree with this is because animals don't have rights to say no.
They don't have the ability to run away..
They don't have the manipulation or cunning to avoid the situation.
And they are not HUMAN - inter-species sex is just not appropriate on so many levels - I could write 50 books about it - but I'm not going to.
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It's gona take me half an hour to decipher that, so I'm just gona have a cuppa
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I usually fall back on a cuppa Joe myself. I'll meet you at the bottom of the cup.
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and what is "inverse of a proposition" here?
Q. Sex with animals .. is it ok?
I. Sex with animals .. is it NOT ok?
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lol - I will stick with my Punjana thanks all the same!
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That's my point crazyTsu, an appeal to "it is self-evident and therefore doesn't need explanation" does not apply to this. Because an appeal to self-evidence is only effective if and when the inverse of what is being claimed as self-evident is self-contradictory. The appeal doesn't work in this discussion as you have demonstrated and therefore is an ineffective empty position.
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BTW this is from which text book? Logic?
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Text book? It is from a humble knowledge in logical fallacies.
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What about all these terminology you employ? Surely you have picked them up from a college
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Why the interest?
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The same interest I show in kung fu after watching Jackie Chan
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Speaking of Kung Fu, Check out the movie called Ip Man, it is about Bruce lees Kung fu teacher. Awesome movie.
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make that I "used to"
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i dont think its ok...not at all...
if any person indulge into sex with a animal, it mean he or she dont get any response from the human being...and animals dont speak..can get them any where... -
An animal to some degree may enjoy sexual gratification, but to think that it is correct to have sex with an animal is absurd.
An animal cannot quantify a sex act in the same way a human does, a dog may hump your leg, but I seriously don't believe its doing it cause it finds you sexy.
And for a human to even be aroused by the thought or the act would have to really have extremely serious mental problems.
That's like saying its ok to have sex with a dead person because they can't be emotionally effected by the sex act. Its just wrong!, a totally violation of spirit and flesh. -
haha..sex with animal is ok when there's no human in this world! -
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how do you know the dog enjoys it? if you can't speak or communicate on a level playing field than i don't think it's right.
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All our notions of right and wrong, good and bad, sin and virtue are merely prejudices. I think that's something every honest person has to ultimately face.
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That's very philosophical but deep down you would have to be prejudice on this one. An honest person would have to admit they have a serious problem if their pup is starting to look sexy.
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Not necessarily. I'd consider calling it a "serious problem" example of an unverifiable assumption.
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I see this is a neutral statement but still if one is to argue that a general prejudice of heavy petting zoos are cool then I ask them to consider the coolness of castration.
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I agree nothingprofound.
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@NP: Always being contrary. I posted this also in response to another comment below.
I would not be surprised if all the worlds morality could be boiled down to love and good will towards yourself, your fellow men, and whatever principles, culture, et cetera you hold scared. Not prejudices, important aspects of who you are. While you could theoretically construct a morality system that included no element of this (Rand certainly tried, replacing all these with self-love and liberty, and some degree of patriotism), and while there are add-ons, aspects and emphasi (like individual vs. group, respect vs. pride, and loyalty vs. merit) that may alter what this ends up meaning, many countries (if not all, though I can not prove all so I will say many) use moral codes that really, in the end, boil down to these.
I believe that any moral system not built on good-will and love towards both self and others is unnatural and will, in the end, destroy itself. Further, without principle, and something to stand for, you will find no motivation and lose an entire side of life, adventure, just as OUR society is doing now.
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If a 45 year old man has sex with a 12 year old, is that ok? The 12 year old might even WANT it, and like it.. but it's more about ability to consent. I don't think an animal is able to consent. They are under their master's influence, they are following an instinct. It's unnatural and it's abusive. Period. -
There a belief in a place BASTHAR that you should do sex with the land before u start a crop.-
"Ouch!!!" You would want to make sure there isn't any sharp rocks there.
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nothingprofound, then is "serious problem" then not a prejudice?
I think if you saw someone having a go at an animal then I would consider that to be an example of a "verifiable assumption".
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Its a belive of the tribals living there. There is also a very strange ceremony that a tribal girl before getting married, salute her man's organ as if she do it for her diety.
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i guess after saluting, the organ stands at the same time very proudly..
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greenindia, just hope she doesn't get poked in the eye.
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gegege hope so..
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OK --- there are some "FURRIES" that have sexual like actions and pretend to be animals and dress up as animals...
That is a diversion from "normal" sex exchanges - but it is FANTASY based - and real animals are rarely if ever used.
Still animals can't say no.
Like someone else said - consensus or lack of it is probably the second issue I have with it.-
I couldnt do it with a pet nor someone dressed up as a furry one. That would be so weird. I can see it now a big pink teddy bear thing. lol That is just funny.
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As a side note, if "pleasure" were to become the new ethical foundation of marriage (vs natural moral law), how can one logically refuse someone the right to marry his or her pet?
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3191923,00.html-
Harvey - so strange....
Did you know that people also fall in love with inanimate objects as well? -
People also fall in love with imaginary beings.
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Yeah - I know... I was in love with Speed Racer for SOOOOO long when I was a little kid... he was one of my first romances... Sigh... I think what? Two weeks I told my mom I was going to marry him.
I didn't realize then that he wasn't real. LOL!
And perhaps the same thing that when I was a child that did not allow me to realize he wasn't real... is what allows people to actually fall in love with inanimate objects or imaginary beings.
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Exactly, WagerWitch.
The consensual position is that "marriage is at the root the union between two beings who love each other"
One must note the expression "at the root", because there is no precision as to which root that is... but especially the use of the term "beings", which allows quite a bit of leeway, for the next stage would be a marriage between a man or a woman and an animal, as Peter Singer already exalts the perspective, but also the marriage between anything and anything, man and object, object and object... we could marry our car, for example, or celebrate the union between two computers, or two companies that are deemed to be in love. In essence, it is hard to see on what basis one could refuse a marriage or a union between any two beings, other than legal of course, that is to say without any real basis, absolutely volatile and susceptible to change at any time. In effect, I see no reason why a man or a woman could not marry his or her horse. After all, if they love each other and aren't doing any harm? Intelligence and autonomy? Look, I know a man married to a lady who had an accident and who has become a vegetable... a horse is much more intelligent than she is, free, happy, autonomous, concsious...
I am not joking in the least, Tristan Engelhardt speaks of people with handicaps as "human non-persons", and Peter Singer speaks of animals as "non-human persons"... thus, on the one hand we diminish man and on the other we elevate animals, which necessarily leads to find a quantifiable point of contact between a "human non-person" and a "non-human person", in other words and more clearly, between a handicaped human being and an animal in full health, a comparison which could lead to value an animal more than to a man. This seems to be the route down which we are heading. -
So, if you are married with an animal, then its legal to have sex with it? I cant imagine any relationship without sex.
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Human beings equate sex as an act of love.
Animals do not.
Although - there are a couple of animals that do have intimate sex or pleasurable sex - the mass majority of them are just acting on BASE INSTINCT:
HUMP OR BE HUMPED
A male dog with the right hormones running through his body will hump just about ANYTHING that has a slight curve or that might move... THat's been programmed into his genes.
If your leg happens to get in the way - oops for your leg. Hormones start to fly. front legs lock around your leg and the dog is poised and ready to start jackhammering away on your leg...
This hormone CAN be enticed by a human or by actions that either invoke the actions, excite the animal or "smell" and excite that part of the brain of the animal.
Most female animals are only aroused during their menses.
Most female animals will stand for a raping - because male animals have been shown to be physically stronger and are VERY aggressive when aroused...
I'm assuming that female animals have learned to just get poked until the male is done because in the long run, it causes less damage.
However, Humans operate on a different level of thinking and capability.
We have much different ways of processing information - and we are not driven completely by base instinct.
If we were to start driving humanity by animal base instincts - most of you males would be slaves and lower slinky forms - while just a few of you would be kings and able to have sex with another of your species. (read up on dominant male actions in any species).
Humans are the few that gender is starting to not be the most important thing - NOR SIZE.
So - you must take all of this intellectual information - and on a HUMAN LEVEL (since, you are more than likely human if you're reading this) - you must simply realize that inter-species sexual acts cannot be completely consensual - and the reasons anyone would have inter-species sex should be considered as abnormal and not acceptable - since a male would literally be RAPING a female animal - and the oxytocin and hormones that would be plagued in a male would be unnaturally enhanced or invoked in a male to have sex with anyone or anything else.-
I dont think love and sex always has to go hand in hand. Of course you can have sex without loving your partner. Or do a man love the prostitute he pays for having sex.
We have instincts like animals. Or why are girls raped by human beings. Dont tell me, a rapist wanna have sex because he loves the victim.
But human beings have their "Super Ego" to control the instincts. If the "Super Ego" isnt strong enough, our "Id" will control our instincts. Im not a psychoanalytic, but I had Sigmund Freud in shool, and learned that all animals, even the human race, are controled by instincts.
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I don't have sex with animals - but if somebody else wants to have sex with an animal that can physically take it without damage... who am I to say or tell them it's wrong?
Consent doesn't even come into it. We slaughter animals for food without their consent... we test chemicals on animals without their consent, so why not have sex with animals without their consent?
If sex with animals without their consent is allowed to be illegal, then so should all other forms of animal exploitation.-
Good point. You left me spechless here! The same for a woman who would want to have sex with a banana. Does she have to ask the consent of the banana first? OMG! Some discussions are just without end!
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Its a very good point. And all the poor little Chihuahuas which get dressed up like a little baby and decorated with bling bling without their content. But thats accepted in our society.
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If I poke out your one eye, I would be perfectly justified in poking out your other eye as well
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The quick slaughtering of animals without their consent for food to feed the human species is a matter of survival. Having sex with animals over and over again without their consent could be considered a form of slow torture. Which most would consider to be morally wrong.
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Dude - it's not a matter of survival for the animal. It's a matter of arrogant exploitation of the animal for our benefit.
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what ever the law might say but this Is greatly evill and should never be practised by any one on this earth.
This are the days when the world is coming to an end hope many will be able to realise that and get bach to there senses. -
i can see there are few members who dont mind if anyone had a sex with animals...i guess because animals dont demands or charge for it..
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The question isn't what is their motivation for having sex with animals, the question is, whatever a persons motivation, why is it wrong of them to have sex with animals.
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i came across the news that around the town, one man have been caught raping a female dog...he is been jailed..dont know what made him do this..but it was just unbelievable that a man raping a dog...
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crazyTsu, please tell me why it is wrong to rape humans.
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@morgantj the term rape is given when a person is not ready for sex then too is been forced to have it...no matter if its between a husband and wife or anybody...then tell me morgantj raping is not wrong from which way??? its not at all right to use any person without their permission..
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alivasim, I didn't ask what rape is, I asked why it is wrong. You say it is wrong because they get used without their permission. This is the same argument I used to say it is wrong to rape an animal. However, this argument doesn't work when say, a dog starts humping a female human, and the female human allows him to penatrate. They in turn are having consensual sex. So if the argument is that it is only wrong when consent hasn't be granted. Does that mean in the situation I have described, that is is okay?
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It is morally wrong and it defiles the law of nature. Sex with animal is unimaginable! because during creation, man was given a partner called woman not animal.-
What makes it morally wrong? Also, humans are animals, though typically we keep our fornication interspecies. So why is it morally wrong to fornicate outside of our species?
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morgantj, I always enjoy your comments and your very wise, but mate that's just crap.
You can be philosophical all you like but ask yourself then, "is it ok to have sex with a dead person just because they won't be affected emotionally by the act"?
Its the same thing also as popping a pill into a girls drink and sexually taking advantage of her.
What then of the animal, you are penetrating the poor creature for your own gratification, who gives you the right to violate.
Its to do with morals not philosophy.
When I refer to the word "YOU" I mean in general.-
What exactly is crap? I never said it was okay. I made no appeal to emotions. I have been simply asking "why" it isn't okay. It's amazing how people get so upset when you ask them to actually explain. I want to see if anyone could forulate an intelligent logical answer to why it isn't right. And I have been expecting an answer that appeals to it is "morally wrong." And while some have indeed said it is morally wrong, few have explained why it is morally wrong.
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Hahaha, morgantj, you and nothingprofound need to go on a date, you both think the same.
You know that your comment is not the advice you would give to your own son. True?-
What advice? Again, I am just asking questions. What is wrong with asking, "Why is it wrong to have sex with animals?" How come few to none can explain why it is wrong? People just saying it is wrong without being able to justify it is wrong doesn't give us any new knowledge. And just because I ask the question doesn't mean I take the position of thinking having sex with animals is right.
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morgantj
Having sex with animals is no more wrong or right than killing or experimenting on an animal.
I'm quite certain that Welsh sheep would much rather be rodgered by a big penis than have its throat slit. -
Your certainty that a Welsh sheep would much rather be rodgered by a big penis is intriguing.
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@othellobloke
"I'm quite certain that Welsh sheep would much rather be rodgered by a big penis than have its throat slit"
The same would apply to you, so why not get sadomized
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Then morgantj why are you trying to become the master of knowledge by acting like as if you can judge correctly as to what a correct answer would be to this discussion?
Your asking the question, but your not willing to listen, instead you keep saying that no one has given a good enough reason. That's why!!-
I havn't judged anyone! And my intentions of "learning" something from this discussion seem horable enough to me. If you are satisfied with people saying it is right or wrong without explaining why, then good for you. But I would like to know why. Also, you are now derailing the thread with this attack against me. If you got a problem with me asking questions then IM me instead of derailing the thread.
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I understand what your saying mate, I think like you do when it comes to trying to get a satisfactory explanation about things, but sometimes there are no answers and people speak from their hearts.
I respect your curiosity and thirst for knowledge.
There are subjects like these ones that will offend because people don't like the idea of animals being taken advantage of. Now who's to say its wrong, but really, I know its wrong. I look at my dog with such love and I just think that the reason why its so wrong is because a person would not be mentally stable if he or she did such a thing.
Don't take this discussion as an insult or a personal attack.
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Concepts of right and wrong are human inventions. All the sarcasm and righteous indignation in the world can't alter that fact. You can believe whatever you believe, and preach whatever you preach, but your inability to prove what you believe and preach remains glaringly obvious.
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You, NP, prove that murder is wrong. And dont quote the bible etc
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NP Your comments also in effect are a belief, if you come along to a discussion lecturing then you too are forming an opinion, therefore its your truth not mine.
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@CT-I can't prove that murder is wrong.
Time2getdown: Agreed. My only opinion on this topic is that it's impossible, philosophically speaking, to assert absolutely-to Know-that sex with an animal is wrong. You can think it, you can believe it, but you can't know it. I myself have no personal belief or opinion whether or not it's wrong. I'm completely neutral. -
Probably the best way to be is neutral, agreed also.
I understand the concepts of philosophy and their implications relevant to the neutrality for comprehension and knowledge, but I feel that philosophy can make one passive in thinking to the point that we can become unsympathetic when dealing with certain issues. -
We've received a lot of complaints about this topic here at BC. We are leaving it up, however, because it doesn't violate any discussion rules. It is a nasty subject, but if you don't want to discuss it no one is forcing you to do so.-
Yeah... If someone doesn't want to discuss it, they don't have to click on the thread name. Good call Jay.
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Good call Jay - people not mature enough to handle an adult discussion shouldn't click on the thread.
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@Jaybetee
"We are leaving it up, however, because it doesn't violate any discussion rules."
In most cases I am an advocate for free speech however common sense and common decency seem to be lacking in your decision...
Discussion topics like "Sex with the Dead... is it ok?" or "Sex with Infants... is it ok?" also would not violate any rules...
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Morgan... why would it be intriguing I'm certain a sheep would rather be shagged by a human than have its throat slit? The will to live is just as strong in a sheep as it is in you.
crazyTsu... if my significant other wanted to bone a dog on alternate nights, what right would I have to tell her it's wrong?-
As NP has stated elsewhere, you cant prove that murder is wrong. So, that has brought me to my conclusion, which is that, it is an old idea of mine that I took a little too literally and got my life and career derailed.
The notion that there is no good or bad is against human instincts of seeking good life and well being. Such ideas are best left for useless discussions like this for killing time. There is no practical utility of life led on a bench watching grass grow -
In fact, after reflexion, I would say that the question here is not about the consent of the animal or of the vegetable, it is about us human, and all the moral codes that we define to be a coherent society. Is it really amoral to walk naked in the street? no, not really. But this is one of the moral code that we have. Sex with animals is another one.
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@cT & angelhair: I believe most morality can be boiled down to love and good will towards yourself, your fellow men, and whatever principles, culture, et cetera you hold scared. While you could theoretically construct a morality system that included no element of this, and while there are add-ons, aspects and emphasi (like individual vs. group, respect vs. pride, and loyalty vs. merit) that may alter what this ends up meaning, many countries (if not all, though I can not prove all so I will say many) use moral codes that really, in the end, boil down to these.
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othellobloke, there are many cases were people would choose death over torture or rape. It would take an amazing insight for you to "know" that sheep would rather be raped then put to death. The sheep could very well find it to be incredibly disgusting to be raped by a human so much to the point it would rather be put to death. That is why I find your claim intriguing.
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i agree with jaybetee it was nasty subject, there is may kiddie here.who know.
my opinion about subject-not ok, but this happen since our tv is black and white i don't know why -
Is sex with a minor child OK so long as they consent and seem to enjoy it? American society has determined that the same is not OK. I'm with American society, and very same answer when it comes to animals. -
You gotta try to get a date, dude! -
in goats they thrust!!
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I think this is the worst thing I could imagine in my life. Can't say anything on it.. -
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I was going to keep out of this discussion after so many of my other comments on this thread, but hell, can't help myself.
I find it interesting how so many self proclaimed philosophers are trying to get to the core of "why it is wrong to have sex with animals, or why is it wrong to murder, like as if certain people are undermining our intelligence for crying out loud.
To all the philosophers I ask this question - What if someone murdered the one you most love in this world, what if someone jumped into your back yard and raped your dog, hey!? then what!?.
I bet you wouldn't be here trying to sound all pretty and smart claiming that you cannot prove if "Murder is wrong".-
Philosphers asking why, seeking knowledge, addressing questions of morality, ethics, value, reason, trying to get to the core... Imagine that! I don't find that interesting, I expect that from philosophers as well as from anyone else that wants to gain a better understanding.
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It's worthy of noting that all the societies I know of work on a rule very similar to the one you expressed ("do unto others..."), and certainly all major religions.
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i dont think this discussion will ever gonna end...every time there is a good answer conveyed and again someone stands and asks the same question...so why should answer the same question if the questioner got stuck with it?? just leave it...
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Cause its fun!
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i think u r rite..
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Any position/answer that can't handle a bit of constructive questioning and critical examination is a stance worth questioning.
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after all its just a discussion...so where were we??
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Where were we? We were at the point where an increasing amount of people are getting upset and becoming overely defensive because they and others are unable to explain "why" having sex with animals is wrong. They don't even like being asked the question "why" and feel just saying "it is wrong" without justifying it is a sufficient answer. I think that is were we were.
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Morgantj, your right, couldn't have said it better.
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Hahaha.... next!!
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but any way, it is wrong to have sex with animals...
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Humans are animals too.
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humans are social animal..btw what if the animals start raping humans???
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Apparently, you missed it when I asked you this very question earlier. I shall present it again in the exact same words as before -
"You say it is wrong because they get used without their permission. This is the same argument I used to say it is wrong to rape an animal. However, this argument doesn't work when say, a dog starts humping a female human, and the female human allows him to penatrate. They in turn are having consensual sex. So if the argument is that it is only wrong when consent hasn't be granted. Does that mean in the situation I have described, that is is okay?" -
i never said its okay...i asked if the animals start raping humans...and if the female human allows the dog to penatrate, den how come it is called as a rape??? i know many of people dont thinks its wrong to have sex with animals but just because they have got stuck with some of the part of that animal in their mind..if not den what will be the answer..
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You obviously have no idea what I am saying and asking of you. So just forget it. Anyways, to answer your question again which isn't the first time you have posed it and I have answered, a person could use practically any motivation to justify having sex with an animal. They could claim they love their pet so much so that is why they did it, etc... But once again, you keep questioning the the persons motivation which could be anything, the concern here isn't their motivation though, it is, "why is the act wrong?"
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hahaha, love it!
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mouse raped a women...
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Humans are animals too, but they do not ethically understand or comprehend reasoning like a human.
Imagine the fear that an animal faces when it is confronted with a being that outwits its every move.
A human being tortured can comprehend and understand his/her cruelty but a poor animal, this would be like a God offering no escape in its world.-
It is similar to why we don't find it right to have sex with minors. Among other reasons, a minors intellectual capacity, their understanding, responsibility, biology etc... isn't fully developed to make such a decision on an action that has potential life changing consequesences. Animals other than humans, also lack this comprehension.
Also, the direction I was taking with "Humans are animals too" was towards that since we are animals too, the concern here is really of "outer-species" fornication. That is, fornicating with animals outside of our own species. There are obvious ethical concerns as well as a concern for what the negative consequences would be.
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I get your point, it does make sense.
On the other hand If animals cannot judge according to human ethics then they too should be respected in a similar way to a person with down syndrome as they too lack the ability to make correct decisions.
It would be unethical to take advantage of a human being that lacks the capacity to judge correctly for themselves, therefore I feel its a humans obligation to uphold a respect for the dignity of the animal and for that matter a person with limited mind capacity.-
Ah ha! This is what I have been pushing for. Finally an explanation to "why" it is wrong that has some meat and reason to it. I agree with your reasoning.
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Yes me too agree with ur point morgan...
If every human being starts having sex with animals, then it surely wud b the disaster for human nature...-
That is quite a jump and exaggeration of what I said, but okay.
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Also, consider.
If a person is aroused by the thought of animals then it can't be right.
This type of person would have a psychological mental problem, so how can it be right if the person performing the act is doing it with an unbalanced mind.-
i cant get what make them to do it...an unbalanced mind can rape a human, murder or anything but sex with an animal just unsettles me...
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Yes, that somebody finds it disgusting isn't an argument. People are quick to dismiss the topic as offensive and disgusting, yet they appear to be unable to justify why it is wrong.
There are indeed people that have sex with animals. So let's hear an intellectual or moral argument on why those people are wrong. I have already stated my argument in regards to "consent." -
Chimpanzees have aids. There I said it. -
I agree with that!!!! This is in fact the main difference between the chimpanze and the banana! Case closed ;-).
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Speaking of bananas! - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfv-Qn1M58I
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Lol!!! I guess the banana has a reason to be!
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I have heard a lot about woman having sex with horse. I wonder how they survive with those long tail. It may be like the species movie.
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The reason nookie with animals is wrong is because it’s a mental illness. I'v heard a story of a guy who froze his legs in ice so that his legs would be amputated so he could spend his life in a wheelchair. Later, he wanted to do the same with his arms. Is that perfectly ok if it’s consensual? Anybody doing the nasty with animals is highly dysfunctional and might eventually become a sexual predator. Time for the strait jacket.-
What is mental illness?
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Unconventional behavior.
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"Officer Krupkie, we're down on our knees,
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Oh so it is a mental illness like believing in an imaginary being. Time for the strait jacket.
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I think you're mentally ill for looking for excuses to put people in straight jackets and thinking Christians will murder you.
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So you are actually defending that people talking to imaginary beings is considered sane?
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If they perform miracles and answer prayers, like He has done for me, I'd have to say yes.
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Adults talking to an imaginary being is bad enough, but actually believing you are getting answered is even worse and is definitely worth concern.
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@morgan: "aspotofblog said, "everybody seems to be saying it's wrong outright, but with no real reason WHY they find it wrong."
Thank you! thank you! Finally somebody else noticed."
I've asked questions and literally had them answered by the world around me in the same day. I asked about Calvinism to a friend, and just later that day, in my own surroundings, a revelation about Calvin was presented in the form of what I read and studied dealing with another friend.
This is a story I heard from Bart, a good evangelical preacher friend of mine: He was talking to an atheist on the Georgia State campus about what the purpose of life was. The atheist thought for a while, and then said "I think I just want to get rich." Just then, the fake dollar bills that Bart had on the table with various messages on them started being blown away by the wind, carried so far and so unnaturally high that they could not be caught, a wind that had not picked up all day.
I've been told to go talk to people, people I did not know, and been received warmly, meeting them at the exact moment when I would've had something to interject that they needed to hear. I've been told to a check up on a friend and found they were in trouble.
I've prayed for understanding, and developed mentally beyond my wildest hopes. I was once, at a moment of weakness, told to open the bible, and it opened straight to the story of Gideon, the man who doubted himself but, reassured by God, went on to save Isreal, despite the fact that he did not look like a warrior.
I could tell you many more stories, and there are still more besides these now forgotten, but as you can see this is not without basis. Is it conclusive? I don't know, but to dismiss it in the manner you are doing seems very unwarranted.
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Apart from the whole moral issue/consensual aspect, let's look at it from another POV: Dog willingly tries to hump woman. Woman allows it. In the bigger scheme of things, there may not be anything wrong with that, since the animal is not being forced and the woman is allowing it.
However, I think where my aversion comes in is from a biological viewpoint. When it comes to incest for instance, it is detrimental to the survival of the species. Now, human-animal sex may not result in pregnancy and weaken the gene pool, but there doesn't seem to be any biological advantage to it. I've never seen interspecies breeding in the wild for instance, and there must be a good reason for it. (I'm not talking about interspecies breeding of domestic animals, as there is human manipulation involved). In actual fact, we may even create yet unknown viruses if messing with other species in such a way, which could be detrimental to ourselves as well as other species. Nature doesn't seem to support anything that isn't advantageous to the survival of any species. It's all about survival of the fittest.
Now, recreational sex or gay sex may seem pointless, but not necessarily. Hedonistic sex often results in 'accidental' pregnancy (another trick of nature it may seem). Gay sex happens in the wild, perhaps to counteract imbalances of inbreeding or overpopulation.
Perhaps one could argue that those who are attracted to animals also don't contribute to overpopulation. Then again, one should try to have sex with an animal in the wild. Not possible. It's only possible to have sex with a domestic animal. Since domestic animals are solely here because of human involvement, I would say that human-animal sex is a human perversion, and any such practices conceived by humans, to me, are tainted, and not the natural order of things. If we didn't breed animals, inter species sex wouldn't exist in the first place. It only exists because of human manipulation.-
Do you have a Ph.D. degree in this topic?
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Ha ha ha, I know it's a very long answer, but I just thought I'd add a different spin on things, as everybody seems to be saying it's wrong outright, but with no real reason WHY they find it wrong.
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From what I've read, gay sex is the downside of genes that, ironically, make women love men more (and beyond just sex) and therefore more likely to take them. These genes apparently create a secondary emotional appetite for men outside of the sex drive and also create more of a nurturing impulse as well to create a healthy den where the offspring are likely to grow up strong and live, but they have the downside that since they are complimentary to the sex drive and not part of it, instead of carrying over to the opposite sex when applied to men, they make men want each other. They assist in both the sex impulse, by deepening desire, and the family/monogamy impulse. Overall though, these genes create so much benefit for reproduction that half the "beneficiaries" going gay doesn't counteract a yield nearly four times as great as without it for the women in the family, but it does distort the sex drive of the men in the family.
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aspotofblog said, "everybody seems to be saying it's wrong outright, but with no real reason WHY they find it wrong."
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Eeeewwww! This is gross! You gotta be kidding. In no way this can be considered a sane act.
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But insane acts can be fun...
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Thats sooooooo wrong.... a frog giving a blovjob... thats soooo wrong
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I have no intellectual argument on this one, other than the issue of consent. Emotionally, it's wrong and disgusting and anyone in their right mind wouldn't even consider it. Comparing it to battery chicken is irrelevant - I don't eat cheap meat anyway, I only ever buy organic, so that argument isn't relevant to me either. We as humans have the higher intelligence and should treat out animals right, and with respect - dogs, horses, chicken. Sex with these animals is manpulation - brains need checking if one thinks it's love, because, quite frankly, it isn't. My 2 pence...
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I appreciate that you eat organic food. If nobody eats battery chicken, the battery chicken wouldn’t exist. But a lot of people don’t give a shit when they eat their fast-food, but they might be upset because of this topic.
I don’t understand why consent is a reason.
On Chinese fur farms, foxes, minks, rabbits even cats and dogs are skinned alive. Their naked, bloody bodies are thrown onto a pile of those who have gone before them. Some are still alive, breathing in ragged gasps and blinking slowly. Some of the animals' hearts are still beating five to 10 minutes after they are skinned (PETA).
Do people wearing fluffy fur coats consider if those animals have given their consent to be treated like that? I don’t think so. But they might be offended of discussing this topic.
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F#@k fur.
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Yes, I hear that positions get especially awkward with the four legged critters with tails.
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of course it's not right.
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its ok for the people who want to do it..its not ok for the people who dont want to do it..
in my opinion its not ok.
because the primary objective of sex is reproduction.
yeah we all do enjoy it, n most of the times we do it just for this.
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And what about the animals, is it okay for the animals?
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reproduction!! is it possible between human and animals???
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Sex with animals is just wrong, but it keeps the jokes alive and identifies the freaks and backwoods inbreeds...just a guess really. And did I mention..ew!-
do it rlly help to keep jokes alive??? i mean is it a joke??
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Perhaps one could argue that those who are attracted to animals also don't contribute to overpopulation. Then again, one should try to have sex with an animal in the wild. Not possible. It's only possible to have sex with a domestic animal. Since domestic animals are solely here because of human involvement, I would say that human-animal sex is a human perversion, and any such practices conceived by humans, to me, are tainted, and not the natural order of things. If we didn't breed animals, inter species sex wouldn't exist in the first place. It only exists because of human manipulation.
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I think almost anything can be justified through logic. Without a general understanding of the philosophical (ie metaphyisical) underpinnings of the human person, I think there is a good chance we will be seeing weirder and weirder stuff... down the sliding slope.
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The problem with logic is that it tries to establish a truth or reality that is pure, pristine, objective, not grounded in experience. Such a truth or reality will always be shot full of abuses and contradictions.
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harveyavatar, using the good ol' appeal to metaphysics fallacy again I see. When reality doesn't work for ya, turn to the "transcendent." LOL.
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metaphysics worked for Alan Greenspan, and look where that got us
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Morgantj seems to equate the term "metaphysics" (aka first philosophy) with the boogeyman. Which is kinda curious, as FP is but the summit of a realistic philosophy grounded in external experience (which is objective in nature). Conversely,
joining in unisson with NP, if internal experience is taken as the starting point of our intellectual life, truth boils down to the (subjective) manner in which we are logical with ourselves. This is how one mistakes sincerity for truth; on the sidelines of realistic thought, some remain life-long benchwarmers. -
It seems you like to stand on the metaphysical explanations because they are not falsifiable. Which makes attempts to refute them meaningless. However, since they are rather meaningless in that they take no empirical risk to justify the verity of thier claims, the points become valueless towards a productive verifiable explanation of reality. It appears you depend on metaphysics rather than empirical data because the reality is that reality doesn't support your beliefs so you must depend on principles claimed to be transcendent from any particular science to support your beliefs.
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Morgantj,
How about trying to gain an understanding of the subject matter before letting loose?
Being is neither transcendent nor immanent, it is.
As a side note, science and technique, which are the modern idols supposed to finalize humanity, do not finalize in the least, as quantity is the realm of transcendental subjectivity.
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The question is whether sex with a different species is right or wrong. Right or wrong is subjective and situational. Personally, my stance is of course it is wrong. I also cannot begin to conceive of a scenario in which I would think it was okay. Yet, I also know it is wrong to kill someone, but if someone came into my home and tried to put his hand on my kids I would have no problem shooting him in his junk and watching him bleed out before calling 911.
The issue I am having is in the discussion where the handicapped are equated with animals. I can see advocating for the rights of the handicapped, the elderly, children, homosexuals, and any other human cause. However, when it comes to animals it should boil down to cruelty that is specifically defined and utilized across the board. Whether it is lab animals, food supply, or pets cruelty is cruelty. Now, what is cruelty? Is it raising a cow to be slaughtered. No. It is raising that cow in a pen too small for it to move or injecting it needlessly, etc.
So, if someone loves their dog and pampers it to the point of excess and as part of that so-called love has sex with the dog, is it cruelty if the animal isn't hurt and does not show signs of protest? So long as an animal does not protest as if in pain, then should that be tantamount to consent? An animal can be conditioned to do many things that they do not give consent to for example: parrots bicycling on a highwire, elephants balancing on their front legs, dogs jumping through hoops of fire, etc. Those things can be dangerous for the animal. Well, I suppose if someone wanted to have sex with that blinged out teacup chihuahua,that would be cruel, but a bigger dog not so much. Animals can also be conditioned to do many things that do not cause them to suffer.
I am nobody's judge. Having said that, I don't want to know what others do in that area, and I don't want to see it, and I sure as heck would never be involved in any way shape or form. Then again, the same could be said about several sex scenarios involving only human participants as well.
Is it wrong? For me it is. Just remember that it wasn't too long ago when sodomy and oral sex were illegal regardless of gender, and that until too recently raping your wife was just your right as a husband.-
I like your answer. You are right, in some countries its still not accepted to be gay, because its not "normal". In some countries you can be stoned to death because you have sex outside the marriage. So, if we judge people having sex with animals in our country, then we have to accept the judgements and punishments in other countries too.
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not unless you have a brain disorder and then the authorities might let you off
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u mean mental disorder!!..nice..
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