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Ten days left to buy traditional lightbulbs
Posted by harveyavatar • 8/22/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: lightbulbs
A friend who is an electronical engineer nemtionned this to me last year, but it slipped my mind.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1208228/Ten-days-left-buy-frosted-l...
If you are in Europe, have you stocked up on traditionnal lightbulbs?
What is the situation in other parts of the world?
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like... as collector items?-
no... to continue using traditionnal bulbs (see article).
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why? I don't buy traditional bulbs now.
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*lifts eyebrow*
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Of course the U.S. does not care about such things and we will continue to be energy pigs!-
lest our public servants become labeled "totalitarian"
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Energy pigs - haha.
In this case, the energy savings part is debatable, and this friend was planning to stock up on traditionnal bulbs because of the health risks associated to newer ones - I hope I can find some on Monday.
*main health issue would be the electromagnetic emissions of the new bulbs -
if we're concerned aout health effects, there are always those handy tin-foil hats
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I'm sure you have plenty of those.
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Plus the strain that is put on your eyes! I have been in a lot of hotels that use these bulbs and they are not sufficient for reading.
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Not sure I've seen one yet. The mate is out of a top engineering school, so I value his opinion.
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What else did he say about them?
They certainly last longer, but as I said the amount of light is not sufficient. -
He only pointed out the negative health effects of emissions. I haven't seen him since, but I should hear from him soon. I'll get more details. The article mentions other drawbacks.
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I hope you can find some on Monday!!
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Thanks! It might be a slightly different schedule in other European countries.
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I have a relative working on new LED bulbs. Their use is growing rapidly and will continue to be at the forefront of lighting technology for some time to come.-
I like the LED bulbs, but they're so damn expensive...
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I like to buy the twisty bulbs that last forever... then i can leave the lights on all the time without the bulb burning out
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We have been using LED lightbulbs in almost all sockets and lamps in out home for 5 years as of last month. Only two LED bulbs have "died" thus far.
EcoGeek Compares CFL Incandescent and LED Lightbulbs
EcoGeek. org shows the difference between incandescent, CFL and LED light bulbs in light quality, brightness and (of course) energy use.
www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2375/74/-
Why use LED
(1) No hazardous materials
(2) Produce very little heat
(3) Last for thousands of hours
(4) Ten times more efficient that incandescent lightbulbs
Lighting consumes 22 percent of electricity in the United States. The DOE predicts that solid-state lighting — which uses semiconducting materials to convert electricity into light, and includes LEDs — has the potential to reduce energy use for lighting by one-third by 2030. That's the equivalent of saving the output of 40 large (1,000-megawatt) power plants, the greenhouse gas emissions of 47 million cars and $30 billion.
Mark Buffler, an official in charge of technology in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, said in a report that switching from conventional fluorescents to LEDs would conserve large amounts of energy — 240,000 kilowatt hours annually — and save money on maintenance and mercury disposal. Buffler also wrote that the project was meant to demonstrate the energy savings potential of LEDs for the rest of the federal government.
References:
Department of Energy information on LEDs
www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/ssl/index.html
Energy Star information on LEDs
tinyurl.com/mlgeqq
Adjustable Color Function and Dimmer
Both CFL bulbs and LED bulbs offer energy-efficient lighting and whilst they seem expensive at first, you realize they will save you money in the long term. However, a less appealing feature of LED globes is the bright, white light they emit, not particularly compatible with creating a warm, romantic feel in your home. That may be about to change. Sharp Corporation has just announced it has created a series of LED globes that includes a bulb with a remote-controlled, adjustable-color function and a dimmer.
Adjustable Color Function enables users to change the color of light from the lamp ranging from warm white to daylight white using the remote control (model DL-L60AV). sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090611_2.html -
what is the price of LED's like?
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As compared to the years they last I don't really think it's an issue. But I'll leave it to you to search out American prices because I have to go as dinner time is approaching.
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At least here in Sweden, the price of a LED bulb is about 30-40 times the price of a regular one.
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Fluorescent definitely have negative effects, LED are much better.-
I'll go with my mateys call on this one. I find when an "authoritative" change is being implemented, the positive points are put forward, whereas the negative ones are often overlooked.
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Health Effects - CFL Compact Fluorescent Bulbs
Environmental Petition submitted to the Auditor General of Canada
June 2008 - Environmental and Health Concerns Associated with Compact Fluorescent Lights - PDF file www.electricalpollution.com/documents/08_Havas&Hutchinson_EP_CFL.pdf
WHAT TO DO IF A CFL BREAKS. EPA
www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent, last update June 11th, 2008.-
thanx for the heads up
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You're welcome.
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looks like I might need to eat my tin-foil hat now
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@Agit8r
You made me lol
According to the GfK market research company, sales of traditional light bulbs fell by up to 35 percent in the first quarter of 2009 in a number of European countries. Increases in purchases of regular light bulbs are a regional phenomenon, particularly in Germany and Austria. The big trend is energy efficiency.
The EU ban will come into force in stages by 2016. The first step will see the phase-out, as from September 1st, of the 100 Watt bulb, one of the biggest energy wasters, in addition to frosted-glass light bulbs.
www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=18483
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Thank you for reinstating this thread!
I have zero disagreement on your owning a thread comment. My point was if someone is knowingly blocked by another member(on mods/Admins recommendation) then that person should not be repeatedly tagging the other members comments - in the spirit of the the initial recommendation. -
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I as a member do take into consideration what was asked from the creator of the discussion and then provide a comment and that is all I meant. I am not asking BC to abide or be bound by moderating terms but discussions do seem to go off course a lot and many go way off course causing it's mysterious deletion. I am just asking members to read the questions that were asked by the creator and comply accordingly but even that is not a command as many here do what he heck they want.
I am reading the TOS carefully and I sure hope most bc members will re-introduce themselves to the TOS and act accordingly and thank you Jaybetee for returning this discussion.
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I wonder what will happen to all those kids who broke fluorescent lightbulbs over eachtother while doing backyard wrestling...-
Yeesh... Mercury vapour = no good.
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then there are those kids who smoke meth out of them... ok, maybe they have bigger problems...
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Whoa really, you can do that? The things you learn...
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Good call Harv
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Do you think there will be a black market for traditional lightbulbs in Europe?-
If enough people are unable to read, write, sew, or do other work by the dim light of these newer bulbs, I could see that happening.
But it's probably unlikely, people will just buy what is available and whine about it rather than demand their government work for them instead of other interests. At least that's the way it usually works. -
Do you think there will be a black market for traditional lightbulbs in Europe?
The EU ban will come into force in stages by 2016. The first step will see the phase-out, as from September 1st, of the 100 Watt bulb, one of the biggest energy wasters, in addition to frosted-glass light bulbs. I won't be surprised when other companies also follow Sharp's lead (see below) and address the concerns of those who find the light intensity to be too low for reading, sewing, etc.
As far as the development of a black market goes, I suppose there may be one as there are for many other items. That being said, I do expect that it will be a short lived one as supply will become a problem given that other countries are also following suit when it comes to replacing incandescent lightbulbs with LED lightbulbs.
I believe some companies will step up to the plate when it comes to producing LED lightbulbs that produce a high enough light intensity (daylight white) to meet reading and sewing and other needs. Sharp Corporation has just announced it has created a series of LED globes that includes a bulb with a remote-controlled, adjustable-color function and a dimmer. Adjustable Color Function enables users to change the color of light from the lamp ranging from warm white to daylight white using the remote control (model DL-L60AV). sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090611_2.html -
@GPE,
Hey, maybe it's an opportunity! -
Colour is of no interest to me. Illumination is what matters.
We have those compact fluorescents here and I hate them. I mean I really, really hate them. They make me angry...I feel cheated, like my money is being stolen by the manufacturers.
You see, the packaging says stuff like "equivalent to a 60 watt incandescent bulb" and it is a blatant lie. I do not care what kind of laboratory tests they do to come up with this equivalency, it is a blatant, outright, barefaced lie.
My eyes do not lie to me. If I turn on a lamp with a 60 watt incandescent bulb in it and sit beside it, I can read, I can embroider, I can quilt, I can bead. If I put one of those so-called equivalent lights on and sit beside it, I will have to quit reading in half an hour or less due to eyestrain, and I cannot sew or bead at all because, even with my magnification glasses on, I do not have enough light to illuminate my work.
I hate them and, quite frankly, I do not give a crap about the "environment" in this context, I care a damned sight more about my eyes!
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Currently our household uses mainly the cfl lightbulbs and they do save a lot of energy...
We also use lamps with traditional lightbulbs for reading etc.
The biggest problem with cfl lightbulbs is their disposable...Very few people separate them from their regular trash and they are highly toxic to the environment...-
Here in the US you can recycle CFL's & save the environment by taking them to your local Home Depot store. www6.homedepot.com/ecooptions/stage/pdf/cfl_recycle.pdf
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exactly ! They contain mercury and you have to be very careful if you break one in the house.
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I posted this link above yesterday but I think it's important enough to post it again.
WHAT TO DO IF A CFL BREAKS. EPA
www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent, last update June 11th, 2008.
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Canadians: Need More CFL Info?
Visit Health Canada's Consumer and Clinical Radiation Protection Bureau Web section www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/branch-dirgen/hecs-dgsesc/psp-psp/ccrpb-bpcrpcc-eng...
For more on CFL regulations, visit:
Natural Resources Canada and Environment Canada (EC). oee.nrcan.gc.ca/residential/personal/lighting.cfm
www.ec.gc.ca/MERCURY/EN/wn.cfm
EC also has more on disposal of CFLs.
www.esainspection.net/pdf/Safety_Alerts/07-03-AL.pdf
Also, see the Electrical Safety Authority's notice on end-of-life failure of CFLs (PDF Version - 301 K)
For additional articles on health and safety issues go to the "It's Your Health Web" section. www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/index-eng.php You can also call toll free at 1-866-225-0709 or TTY at 1-800-267-1245* -
more dailymail news stories... *sigh*
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what's dailymail about?
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ah... I see
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Ha! I love that site:
"HAS FEMINISM HAD SEX WITH PENSIONERS?" -
logical fallacy *sigh*
PS contrary to you, I think most papers are rubbish, not just the DM. -
It seems to be on par with National Enquirer, as well as FOX, as it can't be viewed as an "authoritative source".
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*spits out chewed up tin foil hat*
ptooie!
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Thanks to those who contributed their (original) thoughts. I'll have to get back to this at a later time.
Here is a video which touches on the hazards of the energy saving bulbs:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVLa_tRslY
Further this comment squares with the viewpoint of my engineering friend:
"The so Called Energy saving bulbs release whats called “Dirty Energy” which is very dangerous to you. The frequency they release is horrible for your body and your mind. All light comes in waves of frequency. “low energy” light bulbs make a high frequency noise. Turn on an AM radio and place it near one of them and the radio will buzz like crazy. Put it near an old style incandescent lamp and you will hear nothing."-
Ha! ha! ha! The youtube is from globalnews.
Look what they have on their front page today and then wonder out loud which sainted one may be channeling them:
- Angels and Demons
"Waging a war with the devil. In the first of a two-part series, 16:9 takes you to Rome to find out why the Pope is recruiting priests from around the world to learn the ancient rite of exorcism. See frightening examples of everyday people who took extreme measures to save their loved ones from so-called Satanic possession. Plus- a special course offered by the Vatican that trains an army of demon-fighting priests."
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@Time,
You are still in my blocked list, and I have no plans to unblock you. -
Frankly, I consider it to be a honor to be on your clique members' block lists. ... lol
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Thanks for that link Harvey, it's the one I was looking for
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Health Effects - CFL Compact Fluorescent Bulbs
Environmental Petition submitted to the Auditor General of Canada
June 2008 - Environmental and Health Concerns Associated with Compact Fluorescent Lights - PDF file www.electricalpollution.com/documents/08_Havas&Hutchinson_EP_CFL.pdf -
You're welcome, Jeunelle.
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FOr over a year now, my husband has been purchasing the curly bulbs and they are more efficient. I will miss the old shaped bulb but as we make progress we must keep an open mind for the future. -
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My mind is open to new technology that improves on the old.
Light bulbs that are too dim for me to read or sew by, and about which the manufacturers lie, don't fit into that category, IMHO.
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My husband and I found the ones that are bright enough for us to read by currently but we are eagerly awaiting the advent of even "brighter" choices.
EcoGeek Compares CFL Incandescent and LED Lightbulbs
EcoGeek. org shows the difference between incandescent, CFL and LED light bulbs in light quality, brightness and (of course) energy use.
www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2375/74/
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Remember, I'm in South Africa...sometimes it takes a while for stuff to get here. RIght now our choices are incandescent and the CFLs, which I refuse to purchase.
I have only just recently seen places to properly dispose of the CFLs...I've been here almost 6 years and only in this last year have I seen this. Unfortunately, the bins are largely empty...and they are located inside the food section of an upscale department store...have not seen anything anywhere else.
The whole concept is logically bankrupt: fragile glass vessels full of toxins sold to the general public and accessible to children. No instructions for proper disposal and they cannot be properly disposed of at curbside. "Approved" disposal sites require the purchaser to drive (hello...air pollution!) to another location for proper disposal...this is the same purchaser who won't separate his recyclables for curbside collection because it is "too much trouble." And these little glass toxin bombs are going to be mandatory??
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We do have instructions for proper disposal here in Canada and there are instructions for Americans too. I have already posted those links into this thread. I believe I have posted the relevant links for re: health concerns into this thread too.
In British Columbia where recycling programs have been in evidence for over 15 years we have recycling programs that include taking the expended bulbs, and Home Depot outlets in Canada and also in the US accepts them too.
Also note that I don't have to drive to a recycling depot at all. Our recycled materials are on curbside pickup on designated days along with the garbage that can't be composted. -
In California we had curbside recycling...the City gave us colour-coded plastic boxes to set out with our trash. It didn't work...people kept the boxes to do all kinds of stuff with them (like use them for dog beds or storage boxes) but you seldom saw them at curbside.
A year or so before I moved here, the City finally (after a decade!) acknowledged that people are not separating their recyclables like they should and tried another tactic: the provided everybody with HUGE wheeled bins where you could toss all recyclables, unsorted. Just separate the stuff from the unrecyclable trash. That worked better, assuming the City didn't mind unwashed tins and could deal with people who couldn't tell the difference between recyclable plastic/glass and the non recyclable.
But if you had anything toxic to dispose of...like paint or batteries or these bulbs, you still had to get in your car, drive to a designated collection centre and PAY to have the stuff taken off your hands. I bet you know what happened to that stuff, right??
Here in South Africa I stopped separating my recyclables for the very simple reason that there is no place to recycle them to. No collection centres, nothing. It ain't happening here...I belong to the local Freecycle and I occasionally see people asking for info about recycling collection locations and all you ever hear for a response is crickets chirping...
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well in my house i have the energy saving ones for outdoors and inside i still use the traditional ones...
In my corner of the earth, they arent banning the traditional bulbs anytime soon so if you ever need a shipment harvey let me know -
haha, thanks Stella
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As I said above my husband and I have replaced nearly all of our incandescent light bulbs with LED bulbs.
Forget about CFL bulbs, Philips shows off greener LED bulbs because Philips, unveiled some new ideas about “green” lighting that may soon find their way into our homes. Philips previewed a 600-lumen A-shape LED bulb for consumers that will be able to replace traditional 40-watt incandescent bulbs. The LED bulb offered is five times as efficient as the incandescent bulb. That is slightly more efficient than a 40-watt equivalent CFL bulb, which requires 10-watts. Also, LEDs do not have CFL’s safety issues. As you likely already know, CFLs have a small amount of mercury in them, which means they must be recycled and extra care most be taken when one breaks.
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hmm I guess since HarveyAvatar is "taking a break...", I'll never know if he was able to stock up on vintage bulbs ...
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Only on blogcatlog could a discussion on lightbulbs have 14 censored etc. comments...
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It has to be at least 15 different 'comments removed' to be considered a successful discussion.
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comment removed by the community
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The discussion is now successful but unfortunately a lightbulb just burned out and I must go and replace it...
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wow petlvr even your "comment removed by the community" comment was removed !
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I am highly offended by petlvrs comment and have reported him...
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