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Read this post
www.johncow.com/our-blog-is-not-your-bitch/
Share what u think.
Personally, as the heading says I think its a bunch of crap. " take it or Leave it ", "My blog is not your bitch ", " I am gonna do what I want ", " Blog is not a Democracy " statements like that, come one now.
Was this a way for Cow to get more exposure through this post or is he just that rude and incosiderate and ill mannered?
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I think they're dead on in every way. -
I think a blog is a community. People who read it should have a voice. I think constructive criticism on a blog is fine. Abusive comments is not.
I welcome comments and suggestions on my blogs so maybe I am different then most.-
What do you think gives the people who simply drop by and enjoy it for free with no obligation a right to "a voice"?
If you choose to welcome that kind of feedback and act on it, that's fine, but a right? -
while a community CAN spawn from a blog, it certainly is not one. If anything its a conversation being hosted by someone (the blog's owner)
A community is a forum.
I'm with Cow on this one. I've had comments on my blog about certain things I've written. But you know what? Its my blog. I own the domain, I pay the hosting, I maintain its content. So complaints will quickly be deleted and/or ignored.
Last year I had someone, who I didn't know, so they weren't a regular reader, complain after a political post by stating her opinion then saying "oh I forgot this is a knitting blog", basically saying I was wrong to talk about politics on my "knitting blog" (when honestly my blog is an everything blog) And as recently as last week, a blogging acquaintance was criticized anonymously in comments for daring to mention her pregnancy on her "knitting blog".
When I'm reading blogs, if I don't like what I see, I move on.
I'd never go into someone's home and say "wow I don't like the color you chose for the walls. Paint it now" -
That's my take on it, that my blog is like having people in my little coffee shop and enjoying a conversation. If you can keep a civil tongue in your head (or fingers on your hands) then I'm happy to disagree and discuss. If a "customer" chooses to be abusive, he or she will no longer be welcome and the comments that I deem "over the line" will be stricken.
Perhaps we should post signs on our blogs that say, "I reserve the right to refuse service (or entertainment) to anyone." You can get arrested in a public park for shouting abuse at passers by, after all.
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He is so f'ing overrated...-
Perhaps. This is the only entry I've ever read on that particular blog, so I have no opinion on that...but do you think he's WRONG?
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I agree pointless banter, here is what I wrote cre8buzz.com/profiles/584/blogs/3814/blog_entries/8039
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well, how do you define "right?" If somebody chooses to visit my blog " thats their choice and their right", If somebody chooses to leave a comment and tell me what they expect " thats a choice and a right as well"
Also if you choose to hear only what your ear pleases then your blog should be a private blog where readers are invited
My views, thats all-
I guess I'm just not getting where the "should" comes from. Any reader who doesn't like the direction a blog is taking is free to...well...not read it. With millions of blogs out there, I'm sure each can find something he likes (and if not, the problem is probably not with the blog). But what's wrong with a blogger writing what he/she wants to write and letting those who like it read and those who don't go their own way?
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Visiting a blog is not a RIGHT nor is leaving a comment. I can stop someone from visiting my blog by blocking their IP, I can stop someone from commenting by deleting it from the queue. It is a privilege.
I don't mind criticism but visitors telling bloggers what they can or can not do or write about on their own blog is incredibly arrogant and rude. -
My mama always told me, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". The only caveat to that is if someone asks for your opinion.
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Actually, visiting isn't their right either. I have blogs that have entire swaths of ip regions blocked and redirected elsewhere. I use IP filtering to prevent comments from certain IPs, I even redirect people away from some of my sites based on where they clicked on a link from.
They are welcome to *attempt* to read, comment whatever. But it's my stuff, and they only get to *do* what I chose to allow.
[edit]Well, I see antibarbie already made my point. I'm a day late and a dollar short.[/edit] -
Can't help you out Dane on that being a day late thing, but I got a dollar you could have to prevent the short aspect.
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Well the only way a blog gets popular is through people spreading the word about it.
I said the same with Yahoo. People made the company by telling friends about the cool search engine. I must have told so many people about Yahoo when they first went online in the 90's. Amazon also.
I feel people should be allowed to voice comments about a company and suggestions since they did half the work in building it.-
But did people tell their friends about the cool search engine because they were working to build a company, or because they liked it and thought their friends would benefit from it?
And do you really think telling your friends is "half the work" of building a company? If a company chooses to listen to what the public wants, it's because the company makes more money that way.
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The thing that is wrong is when you start writing a certain subject that is what is expected. You built your blog on that basis.
If I have a computer store and customers expect computer products would it be ok for me to sell Groceries? Anyways, what I mean is if I did this I think the consumers have every right to voice their opinion and the other thing is I might not listen and do what I want but I wont be putting up a flyer saying you dont want it go find anotehr business-
A computer store selling groceries?
When I was growing up, back in the Cambrian, stores stayed within well-defined boundaries.
These days, not so much.
Consider Amazon.com: a bookstore that sells books, software, clothing, and, yes, groceries.
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The thing that is wrong is when you start writing a certain subject that is what is expected. You built your blog on that basis.
If I have a computer store and customers expect computer products would it be ok for me to sell Groceries? Anyways, what I mean is if I did this I think the consumers have every right to voice their opinion and the other thing is I might not listen and do what I want but I wont be putting up a flyer saying you dont want it go find anotehr business-
Yes, it would. And then if your consumers still wanted computer products and not groceries, they could go to a different store that sold computer products, rather than telling you what you should be selling in your store that you own.
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If you chose to sell groceries (albeit a poor example) as the owner of the business it would be your right. You OWN the business. A blogger OWNS their blog in the same manner. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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sorry came out twice didnt mean to
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but theirs a loyalty factor as well and although a relation between consumer and business is for sole monetary purpose there is time and emotion attached to it as well, from the customers perspective, dont you think?
Also if BC stopped this cool and great hangout for us bloggers and started a business selling just computers and wouldn't you voice your opinion -
I might say that I was sorry to see it go. I would not feel that they owed it to me (or the rest of you) to keep hosting discussion forums if they didn't want to because we liked them. Our remedy, if we don't like the direction a business is turning, is to take our business elsewhere, not to stand around and stomp our feet and demand that we get to decide how the business is run.
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I think every site online should take suggestions! HA. Im different but I think people make the sites. The traffic increases and so on. Not that the site has to listen and actually make any changes. But cutting people off is turn off.
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mikeny07,
What you said.
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"But did people tell their friends about the cool search engine because they were working to build a company, or because they liked it and thought their friends would benefit from it?"
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The post you linked to reminded me of something I saw on the Tonight Show, about thirty years back. Johnny Carson read a letter (these days, it would have been an email or a comment on a post) from a viewer.
The viewer was upset that Mr. Carson wasn't speaking out on issues of the day, providing relevant content to address issues of social justice with relevance.
Mr. Carson asked, rhetorically, if the writer had noticed if his monologue on The Tonight Show was humor. Comedy. Entertainment.
Mr. Carson didn't change his style, and continued with his successful career.
How this applies to blogs:
IMHO, a blog is not a democracy - unless it was set up that way.
The author of a blog can post what he or she or she or he wants. And, then, live with the consequences.
Personally, unless it became a routine event, I wouldn't mind an off-the-wall comment now and again. At the very least, it would serve as an excuse for me to reiterate the purpose(s) of the blog.-
But did Mr.Carson say you dont have to watch this show, Did he say, its my show, dont like it find another one? Just curious,
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ritubpant,
Seriously, if someone dislikes your blog and blogging style, would you rather they stuck around and complained while you tried to conform to what they liked or want them to go find something more their speed?
I told my views in the very first post I made about how my blog was going to be and if they were uncomfortable with it, to find a blog more suitable for them. I blog to share my experiences with others NOT to be a puppet for the masses. -
Yes, but what I am saying is as long as the comments are not rude and arrogant, criticism should be welcome, Also the post I am referring here(JohnCOW) came out very rude and arrogant which might put off readers that actually enjoy that site as well, thats what I mean, I think I am just finding the right words to express myself here
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And Antibarbie, have you seen it affect your readership? I bet not. Because you've already set their expectations. So the readers who can connect to your views stay, and the ones who would prefer something else find something more to their liking.
I feel really fortunate to have readers who seem to be the right audience for my work-- I enjoy their emails, sense of humor and stories. But we have a mutual understanding, which is why it works. I'd be happy to take suggestions for a post, but not be blackmailed over whether I use or not use the suggestions. -
Well, to that I can say JOHNCOW never set that expectation and just expected his readers would be ok with whatever he does and again what I am trying to say is criticism should be welcome, the onlt thing is it shouldnt be rude or arrogant and as the host and blogger of that site he shouldnt be bashing out like that, if you wan something to go public through some kind of media there should atleast be a way to provide info and thoughts in a mannerful way
Barking dogs will keep barking, you have to let them be, if a dog bites me I can't really go back and bite tthe dog. besides the post came out to the genral readers as a whole not just to some particular commenter -
but if you read the comments he states:
We never ignore helpful hints and ideas. Saying we suck because we do a post which isn’t directly related to making money online doesn’t qualify as helpful in our book.
It sounds like he is talking about abusive and/or rude, unconstructive criticism from that statement and I wouldn't want to put up with that ether. The post was very blunt and not very professional sounding and may rub some folks the wrong way but I've found that some people pull no punches when they write. I have never visited this blog before today so I have no idea if that's his writing style or not.
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This reminds me of a recent issue with the TV show "The Closer" where people wrote in to complain... about the color of the main character's lipstick.
Now from my perspective, the character's look was part of the character. But the show ended up changing the color the character wore, because of the complaints.
It's unfathomable to me that the creative process-- simple character elements-- are shifted for personal preference rather than reason.
A blogger makes choices every day about what they choose to present and how. No matter what you do, you're not going to make everyone happy. -
Yes johncow is overrated, plus this post sounds too familiar for me. All I can say is, whatever! Those people are inconsistent anyway. -
Cute, a whole topic dedicated to our post.
So just for the record, you think it's a bunch of crap, and that someone's blog is everyones property?
Just because you can peek over the fence into someones backyard doesn't mean you can leave your shit there and expect to get appreciated for it.
And ritubpant, please quote us correctly and don't make up things we said so you could write a juicy topic here. Are you trying to get more exposure?-
I want to point out.. that not everyone in this thread is of that sort of thinking.
Blog what you want, where you want, when you want -
bobmeetsworld, I am not trying to get more exposure here as everyone pretty much knows me. Also, I am surprised that this many people read and replied to this post cause I am known to post useless crap here anyways.
By the way, I have emailed you a couple of times about the affiliate thing and discount thing about my millioneurowikipages, what happened to those?
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Well, this is the 1st time I ever read an entry from John Cow and as far as the entry goes he's spot on. Your complaint reminds me of a time I wrote a serious post vs the usual off the wall humor I generally post. I didn't encounter a rude comment but one person complained that since I had the "nerve" to post something different "he hardly knew me anymore."
WTF.... the dude didn't, nor do 95% of the people who read me, know me in the first place. If John Cow were to suddenly to decide to blog on more posts, say as a daddy blogger, humor blogger, religious, or political blogger it is well within his right to do so at any time.
Someone complaining simply because a blogger varied away from what they usually post is inane. Even I occasionally will write about a different topic/genre on occasion. If someone doesn't like it, they can simply move on, come back at a later date, or not come back at all.-
That is ridiculous! For a person who wanted something humorous, they sound exceptionally uptight. This is the problem, people think they own you, assume you are there for them only. If you create a blog, it's yours. You decide what goes in it. Take advice sure, why not but taking orders is another thing altogether. I'm starting to have second thoughts about having a blog if this is the norm, I don't relish the idea of being criticized because I don't post strictly as the readers think I should.
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Oh, here's a funny fact by the way Mr Ritubpant -- we've just read the little rant you wrote about it on your own blog here: cre8buzz.com/profiles/584/blogs/3814/blog_entries/8039
Unfortunately we've got to register to leave a comment? What's up with that? If your so for a blog democracy, why don't you just let people leave comments freely? We do.
Just a quick reply to you post since we can't be bothered registering.
You're saying:"We bloggers survive because there are readers and there are commenters, isnt that how we actually survive?"
-- Your wrong, a blog survives because the blogger keeps blogging. not because readers keep reading.
Another thing you said:"If he doesnt like the comments he should moderate them himself, a whole post complaining about readers, RIDICULOUS".
-- So you're all for a democracy but you're advising to start moderating comments? Where are you from? China? We don't apply censorship. Never touch someone's comments because there's no point in having comments in the first place then.
Have a read through all the posts and comments and you will see that we interact with the people that read the blog. Since it is OUR blog, we can use a post instead of a reply to make our point more clear to some people. -
I think he's right about the fact that it is his blog so he can write what he wants! People can comment but they shouldn't tell him what to post about, unless he asked. I've lost a few readers because I posted things they didn't think they would see on my blog... Tough. My blog! There's always that "next blog" button that can make those people happy...
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Well I wasnt trying to argue Bobmeetsworld and besides if I was I would have left a comment on your blog anyways, next thing the blog that I wrote on cre8buzz is something I cant control about leaving a comment because I dont own or control the site.
By the way, since most people agree with you anyways, you must be right, but my views are my views and I am gonna keep it that way. -
One last thing, I should have never started this thread, it was my fault, I have deleted the blog that I wrote on cre8buzz as it came out a little too arrogant, so I would like to apologize to anybody that I might have came in an arrogant manner, including you BobMeetsWorld.
Lets end it here, I wouldnt mind if the admin deletes this post, actually it would be nice -
I am shocked at DaneMorgan's comment. People can actually block a computer's IP address from accessing their website? That sounds so rude and/or arrogant to me! Censorship sucks.-
That's how people deal with frequent spam (like spam comments, emails ,ect.) coming from the same IPs over and over. They block them. There is nothing new about or shocking about it. Companies have been doing it to prevent spam since the days AOL was brand spanking new.
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As much as I don't like censorship, I understand why people moderate comments. I always thought it was rude to moderate comments, til a group of people I didn't know turned my old blog into their own personal x-rated chat site. My old blog was about shoes and had nothing to do with casual sex or obnoxiously proportioned private parts. I couldn't believe how sick, rude, and just plain out of place, their chat became. Reading their "comments" made me sick to my stomach.
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ritubpant
I don't see anything wrong with that post mr cow wrote.
Maybe you don't think he should write about how he feels on his own blog?
Like the cow said, "he pays for his own domain" not the readers.
I have had people TRY to tell me what I should or should not blog about,because they really didn't understand or knew the whole story behind it and I Blogged it.
Cow was right 100%
A popular blog like his will get comment like that, but most probloggers don't curse the way he did lol.
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lasunrose,
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I turned comments on my blog off from day one. My blog is for me to write about what I want to write about. I started my blog to spread my opinions. I honestly don't care what others think about the blog or the topics. If they have something to say, they should start their own blog and say it. The people who like my blog will come back, those who don't wont. Works for me!
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but isn't the best way to spread opinions, starting a dialog?
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Think of all the exposure they got,so maybe there is something in negative comment is better than no comment, with out the swearing, is there anyway I could get on your bad side Ritubpant; The first constructive thing I learnt on blogger was something I read on one of your posts. -
Good point. This thread is more flaming then anything with all these comments I see on here. I was gonna suggest last night that it be closed but im not in charge here.
You got 2 people who don't agree at all on a topic. Writing more post won't solve the problem. It just becomes more flaming. I was online since 1996 on video game message boards and I know where this winds up. Usually banned accounts and post deleted.
This is like Bush vs Clinton in one room talking. You will not solve anything. I say close it.
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