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Was Jesus Christ a Christian?
Posted by thefiveelements • 4/10/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: beliefs, Christ, cristianity, philosophy, religion, Spirituality, truths
Jesus Christ never heard the word “Christianity” when he walked the earth. “Christianity” was founded long after Christ was crucified, by a man called Paul who had never walked with Christ. Before Paul founded Christianity in the name of Christ, he used to prosecute people who followed the (gospel) teaching of Christ.
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Super! Everyone can be Jewish now! *boogies*-
You mean we are not already Jewish...the chosen ones..?
Do I have to pay more now...?
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unless he was a follower of himself, no. Just like Mickey Mouse really can't be a Mouseketeer.-
Mickey Mouse wasn't a Mouseketeer? Wow. That seriously never occurred to me. What about like, Minnie?
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(Takes off mouse ears) You have ruined that for me now. -
the original Mouseketeers were humans not mice
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oh sure, now I feel guilty for dashing mouseketeer hopes and dreams. I'll probably be haunted by Disney filled dreams of Pluto and Goofy chasing me with an axe.
which leads me to wonder why Goofy (doglike in all regards) could walk on two feet and do things like drive a car and talk but poor Pluto, also a dog couldn't. -
It's because whereas Pluto was a real live dog Goofy was Walt Disney in a dog suit.
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was it also his idea that Donald wear no pants?
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What? Mouseketeers aren't mice?
Then how do you explain their big ears? Tia.
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You should not discuss mice with a Cat on your shoulder...especially Mickey..he could get hurt...Mickey can box.
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Jesus was raised Jewish and then over the years put his own spin on things.-
Ain't that just like a Jew...always reinterpreting something!
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Almost like a politician.
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Pluto got a bum rap when they took the planet thingy away from him. Nobody said a word. Screw with the mouse however, and whoa! Unjust.-
it's a mouse eat dog world I guess
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Um, no.
He was Jewish.-
You would look cute with a yarmulke. Too bad you aren't kosher. -
Sorry. But the cheese DOES make all the difference.
Well, the beef too. -
throw some bacon on top .. yum
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@lynneaurania We discussed this in another thread actually; MrCheeseburger could be made out of tofu... But yeah, he would look cute in a yarmulke.
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Mr Cheeseburger should be content. If he was a tofu burger then he would be afraid of me!
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But there are less vegetarians and vegans in the world than there are meatatarians. But I don't know. Patty transplants are really expensive...
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Is the Pope a Catholic?-
I would hope that the leader of the catholic faith would be catholic.
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Nope... a polygamist, atheist from Hoboken, NJ. with chronic flatulence.
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Dont know..is Obama American...?
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Christianity is a pretty sorry example of what Jesus of Nazareth represented. I doubt if he would identify as "Christian" even today.
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@LynneaUrania:
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@lynnea and arcticulates
Agreed and yes it's very sad - Jesus was a devout Jew. -
Jesus was a devout Jew but as the Son of God told the Jews how they should be interpreting the scripture that they had at that time.
There were sects in the Jewish religion, the Pharisees and the Sadducee and he set them straight as well as set the priests straight as to what they should and shouldn't be doing.
I agree that Christianity today is a far cry from what it was in the early church. That is why I speak out as much as possible about the institutionalized church as a Christian.
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@LynneaUrania: TRUTH -
@LynneaUrania: I AGREE
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"There were sects in the Jewish religion, the Pharisees and the Sadducee and he set them straight as well as set the priests straight as to what they should and shouldn't be doing."
I'm sorry to bust your bubble, but Judaism still exists, as do the Jewish people. Your triumphalism comes across as bigoted, condescending, and ignorant. -
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I realize the Jewish people and Religion are still here and did not mean to step on your toes.
I am not sure how my comment came off as bigoted, condescending, and ignorant. It certainly was not meant that way.
The question was "was Jesus Christ a Christian."
The answer was NO He was a devout Jew.
Jesus was a devout Jew but as the Son of God told the Jews how they should be interpreting the scripture that they had at that time.
There were sects in the Jewish religion, the Pharisees and the Sadducee and he set them straight as well as set the priests straight as to what they should and shouldn't be doing.
I agree that Christianity today is a far cry from what it was in the early church. That is why I speak out as much as possible about the institutionalized church as a Christian.
There is a remnant of believers that have gone back to the "Way"
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dinsquared If you have absolutely no interest in Jesus, personal or otherwise what exactly are you doing in this discussion?
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@polybore It's kind of you to offer me bait, but I don't need to take it.
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I am absolutely agree with you. According to me these different religions are created by human. Like jesus, i thin these persons are great human beings not GOD because all creatures are present before the birth of these spirits. -
I don't think he'll be happy when he comes back, Google for his own name, and read on Wikipedia how Christianity has treated the Jewish people during the last two millenniums...-
I think it is better to live on how it is today rather than how it was before. -
Not much has changed...
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Not Christianity, Christians know better than messin' with jews, God promised He'd bless the ones that helped Israel and the "christians" you mentioned would be up sh** creek...
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Yes, Christianity.
The abuse of the Jewish people by Christians has been historically justified by New Testament-- most notably in the casting of the Pharisees as villains, and placing the blame for the crucifixion on the Jews, and references to the Jews as persecutors of the early Christian movement (which is also historically questionable.)
This led to many centuries of anti-Jewish theology coming from the Christian churches, be they Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox.
Of course, many Christians have come to renounce the antisemitism of the past and have worked to foster friendship and respect between Christian and Jew, but there is no point in pretending the past did not happen.
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Zeitgeist has been disproven over and over again
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Jesus is leader of Christianity.
He is the father of it.-
If this were true, then there would be no need for bishops, popes, and other evangelists to consolidate power, yet they do. And if Christianity is so far from what Jesus intended, then it wouldn't be realistic to say that he is either leader or father.
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Jesus was a Christ, not a Christian
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These great peoples remind the way of truth.
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He was Jewish. A follower of Hillel the Elder.-
We really have no historical evidence one way or another on that.
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Wow!!!1 Jesus IS who He says He is, and very soon You will see Him leaving NO DOUBT AS to who He is!! -
He was also black-
black AND jewish, I had no idea
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and quite possibly a female, depending on who you ask.
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and an Atheist... After all he didn't say that God made you well... he said "YOUR faith has made you well" ...interesting
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Having historically been born in Bethlehem, he was Mediterranean. It's certainly relatively likely he wasn't pale and fair haired/eyed.
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And as a carpenter, he would have been a pretty rough-looking guy too. Hardly the image of an effeminate figure who looks like Danny Kaye.
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I heard that artists gave him "bedroom eyes" to appeal to the female following. EW!!!
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He was a Pastafarian. -
@ Lizzy: just like other cultists try to do with their divine leaders.
It's part of the ad-uxorem attack. Win the wife and not only will she bring the children, but pressure will be on the husband to join. If he doesn't bite, a divorce is likely and custody of the children will probably go to the wife. So she is married off to another church member. Either way, the church gains a family unit.
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Oh, yeah... also a Ninja!
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No wonder Anok has been going around in that bunny suit!
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Jesus? That Godfake?
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He did a lot of miracles. Only the son of God can do such things.
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I was told that he could be a Buddhist -
He was Jewish. Peter founded the Christian church after his death.
And Buddhism has many similarities to Christianity. The BIG difference is the unified connection with the supernatural. Christianity this is a requirement and in Buddhism it's basically optional.-
The label isn't what matters. Jesus came as the fulfilled Messiah. There are "Messianic Jews" who believe in Jesus.
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Listen, Buddha was Hindu in the beginning, or at least born in a time when Hinduism was prominent, the great prophets rose out of times when other religion, and government was corrupted beyond repair, the same can be said of Christ, and Paul aside, I think we can all agree Christianity as we know it would not have existed without him.
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A great soul who once visited this planet earth. Whom his followers made GOD to create Christianity, which definitely not an idea of His.-
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Not a "great soul". God Himself.
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Of course not. Christian means "follower of Christ". Christ didn't follow himself; he followed God.
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Well said!
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uh huh!
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Obtain a NJKV Bible, read about Paul's conversion and his letters to the churches word for word, (no skipping around allowed) then make comments on Christianity.
If you don't understand it and know what it's about from the source, then speaking on it, only trivializes it.-
How did the NJKV Bible become "the source" when it was written so long after the fact and by the representations of its own creators made changes to make the text more accessible. Exhorting someone to read "word for word" something that has been intentionally modified seems a bit bizarre.
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Not to mention that the Bible we see now is not the same at the one that exsited prior to the Counsel of Nicea. If I had any one wish that I would want granted... it would be to have copies of all the books that were destroyed because they were thought heretical.
I think that the way we, all people, look at the Bible would be different.
Something that stand out for me, though... I have a friend that is a Pastor. When the Gospels of Judas were in the news, I asked him. "If they determine that these are, in fact, the real deal, and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were the accounts of Judas, would you accept them as part of the Bible?"
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Um, no disrespect but "the source" is ancient Aramaic. Try the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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C.S.Lewis wrote that grownups have the knowledge of a six year old kid on Christianism, and based on this they argue...
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The original text of the New Testament, which is what we're discussing, is actually written in Greek, Hebrew AND Aramaic. With at least 5,000 Greek manuscripts from which to research. Codex Sinaiticus (Greek, written in the 300's AD) and Codex Vaticanus are the two oldest versions of the bible.
However, at least 20,000 partial and complete manuscripts of the New Testament Books are available total, for scholars to study, research and translate and compare and contrast. What they have found is this, some books where written with minor changes and grammatical errors, they found thousands, but out of the thousand errors almost everyone one where nothing more than grammatical errors.
The main theme or Gospel of Jesus and what he did, what he stood for, and what he said he was, was not compromised by any of these errors. And this is remarkable considering the huge body of written manuscripts available.
No Paul, never walked with Jesus, but Jesus allowed him to see Him on the road to Damascus. An experience that turned him 360 degrees from Christian Hater to one of the most devout Christians that ever lived. If what Paul said didn't happen, then why such a turn around? He was a devout man of the Judaism and was defending his religion against the heretical Christians.
But Jesus showed him the truth, in that, Jesus fulfilled the Jewish Law from the Old Testament, and that he no longer needed the Law or Judaism, but just Jesus and to believe in Him and what Jesus did on the Cross and arose from the dead for remission of his sins.
No more sacrifices or good works, Jesus became the ultimate and final sacrifice and is now the High Priest for all mankind and is the only mediator between God The Father, and belief in him is the only way to be saved.
Also, they where first called Christians at Antioch before Paul's conversion so he couldn't have started the term. Jews witnessing the miracles of the disciples and the conversion thereof begin calling them Christians.-
You forgot to mention the fact that Paul was taught by Jesus himself. (1 Cor 11:23)
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PAUL was a Criminal & a Liar. All facts are soon to be revealed
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He follows himself
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Christian... Without Christ I Am Nothing.
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@ionmuiz: "Not a "great soul". God Himself".
You cannot seriously believe in Jesus Christ being God. Within the scriptures, it is written of Jesus Christ constantly praying even to the last moment of his life. So ask this question to yourself: “Whom would God pray to”? Isn’t that God supposed to be the One that answers prayers?
If Jesus Christ was God, he would be granting people’s prayers, but not praying for himself. The notion of Jesus Christ being the God of heaven & earth, even a five-year-old child can see the nonsense behind this religious propaganda.-
thefiveelements, what do you do with the prophesy that a messiah would come in Isaiah 9:6? This verse clearly puts the messiah on an equal plane with God.
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
If that doesn't say it all then Hebrews 1 settles it.
verse 1 starts off with what God spoke long ago. "God after He spoke long ago..." Go down to verse 8 and it says (God still speaking) "But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His Kingdom."
He refers to Jesus as God.
The concept of a son being called a higher authority is not a new concept. Jesus himself spoke of this very concept when he spoke with the Scribes in Luke 20:39-44. It says:
41Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"
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@jflower36: This Isaiah’s prophecy did not put Christ on an equal level with God, nor did he refer to Christ as God. This prophecy can be easily decoded. “His name will be called Mighty God”.
The prophecy did not say, He will be Mighty God. Being called God & being God are two different things. There are many kinds of molded, carved images that are called “God” even with the obvious fact that they are human made images. Being called “God” does not make you a God.
Jesus Christ was not a God, nor did He ever refer to Himself as the God of Heaven & Earth. Read “The Five Elements” if you have the time, because there is a large amount of text related to Christ.-
thefiveelements, if being "called" God was a bad thing, then the passage in Isaiah would surely have clarified that. But you are right, Christ wouldn't become God later as He already IS God.
You didn't say anything about the passage in Hebrews 1.
What about John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word with with God, and the word was God."
v. 14 "And the word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Titus 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus". -
You are presuming that Isaiah was referring to Jesus. I realize that this is what Christians believe, but it's not supported by the Books of Isaiah. You are starting from the desired conclusion, and not from what Isaiah actually says.
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Messiah is Jesus. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is Christ and He is also God. Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit are 3 in 1.
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So Christianity teaches, but that's not what the Book of Isaiah, or, indeed, any part of the Tanakh, says.
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No...the concept is for our third dimensional minds ...
After he arose from the dead...trinity was then complete.
The dogma which is central to Christianity..
Salvation began at that moment..the word in flesh returned salvation now complete. Ascension is only possible in Christ..we have no direct connection as such to God...but through Christ...
Holy Spirit is our connection and guide..but cannot usurp our will.
It is interesting that the seat of Christianity is in Rome...Roman Catholics...the accused assailants who washed their hands of it.. ironic isn't it? Amazing twist of events....-
TimRex I don't understand what you are saying. Could you maybe quote some scripture references?
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Who is Jesus?-
Is that a rhetorical question or are you really who He is?
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Sorry...too much scripture being quoted with way too many folks spin on it...I will stick to that which comes from within..like scripture I try not to read too much into it..what I say is actually very simple minded...thats why it is so complex...
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umm...ok
I just asked because I had no idea what you meant. It wasn't clear to me. Plus, I have learned to measure everything up against scripture. The bible is my ultimate standard. If you aren't coming from the perspective of the bible then I understand. I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.
In the real world you can't be nonsensical and deep at the same time. Just a thought.
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The real world....that is ....this one...not so much..
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@jflower36: “The Five Elements” has the answers to the remainder of your questions.
As an individual, I am not “The Five Elements”. The Five Elements is a message to humanity, and as a member of humanity, I surrendered myself and may I add, willingly surrendered to The Five Elements, by vowing to do whatever it is recommended for me to do to the best of my ability.
The Five Elements is information that is worth to take a closer look with an open consciousness, then you can make your own conclusion with your free will, to accept it or reject it, and no one will put a sword to your neck to influence your decision.
My purpose here is not to debate or force anyone to accept “The Five Element”. I am simply presenting information. Information that I believe everyone needs the opportunity to access, and then they can make their own conclusion, and one has nothing to lose by doing so.-
I have no problem looking at whatever you want to present. I should let you know however that I measure everything up against what the bible teaches.
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Jesus was an Essene, Jew that is and that's a fact
He was trained for almost all his life to be a mystic
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Just because Jesus lived in Nazareth does not mean he was an Essene, and there's no facts to support the claim that he was. However, Jesus was ate meat and believed in sacrifice (he was the ultimate and final sacrifice) and this is a against the Essene teachings. No, Jesus was not an Essene or trained to be a mystic. He taught against such things.
What's unbelievable about all the comments made here is that it's obvious most of you have not read the holy scripture or understood what you have read.
Just because one can't comprehend that Jesus said he was one with the Father, and God himself and then prayed to God the Father, doesn't make it false of his claim of being God.
We can't understand what we can't see by our feeble and fleshly language or ideologies. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit cannot be explained in human terms and thoughts that we invented. They are not of the flesh.
Jesus was tempted and asked the very same questions that certain people in this discussion are asking and referring to. Just read what he said. He had all the answers but certain people didn't understand him or believe him then, and still don't today. -
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Do you have any documentary evidence backing that claim, or is it just what you want to believe?
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Yes I have
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@jflower36: I have no problem about your belief system as well. But however, as far as the Isaiah prophecy about “The Messiah”, both biblical scholars & critics are still arguing and struggling to make sense out of it. Because Jesus Christ did not fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy about The Messiah when He walked the earth. So critics are arguing that for this reason, Christianity fabricated the notion of a “Second Coming of Christ” so that the Isaiah prophecy would be fulfilled. This is just one of countless arguments about the scriptures that have been going on for centuries & they are yet to be resolved.
So I don’t have a problem with anyone basing their belief system on these confusing religious scriptures, just that an open mind wouldn’t hurt.
Revelation 12: 9, “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world”. If it is truth that the Devil has deceived the whole world, then no one should hold on to or be sure about any old belief system.-
Now that I can agree with !!!....if the world is deceived..then no one should hold on to or be sure about THEIR belief systems !!! Now that my friends IS a nugget of truth with a truck load of impact!! Your information comes from within !!...But only after you stop trying to figure it out...when the deceived mind shuts up and just listens...when you realize you cannot obtain truth from this world..when your ego steps aside allowing for the willing innocence to come forth the truth emerges from within...Revelation is revealed within the context of time. The holy spirit is allowed to enter...error is corrected....God takes the final step for your return to sanity...out of hell my friends..out of hell.
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thefiveelements, I can't disagree with you because at this point I don't know what your viewpoint is. Give me something to be open to and I will consider it. So far you haven't....
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Yes, the doctrine of "The Second Coming" is essentially what comic book fans refer to as a "retcon" in that they want to claim that Jesus was the messiah about whom Isaiah prophecized, but since the prophecies went unfulfilled, early Christian theologians like Paul, invented the "Second Coming" as a time when the prophecies would be fulfilled.
This was one of the contributing factors to Christian antisemitism: Since Jews were familiar with Isaiah's prophecies, they were the ones capable of saying "that's not what Isaiah said" which made them a "threat" to a Christian faith that claimed its legitimacy from an interpretation of Jewish scripture.
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Jesus, himself, told me that he thinks Christianity is a lot of bunk.
He let me know that he feels that organized religion has really messed things up and that he's supremely P.O.'d at being at the root of all the mess.
So it is true--Jesus is coming and boy, is he pissed!
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Well, I was wondering about the same question and was actually preparing a post on the same matter, but as I can see you beat me to it ; )
I would say no, because he is not responsible for many other elements added later on. Many times movements are not too faithful with their original creators; in fact, Marx wasn´t exactly a "Marxist" throughout most of his life; he became only only later in life.
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Jesus, if he really even existed was a Jew, just like Martin Luther who we're cetain did exist was a Catholic.-
Jesus of Nazareth certainly regarded himself as a Jew, and the scant evidence we have indicates that he regarded himself as a Jew throughout his life-- though he certainly took some theological postions (if we are to take his sermons as historically accurate) that would have placed him as heretical-- most notably, giving himself precedence over the Tanakh.
Martin Luther, on the other hand, began life as a Catholic, but renounced the Catholic Church and Catholicism.
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It is true Jesus was not Jewish, He was an Israelite and born in the tribe of Judah. Paul did not found the Christian faith, he grew what was known as the Way. Jesus actually founded the following that later became Christianity on the Israel Holy Day, Pentecost.
The religion called Christianity would not be recognized as what Jesus started. A follower of Jesus is very different than what most would say a Christian is.
All religions are full of men who approach God from their own standards instead of His.
A true follower of Jesus knows that he or she will never be perfect and that they should be focusing on their own faults and sins than those of others. Only God is perfect and only He has the right to truly judge another.
The answer to your question is Jesus was an Israelite and Paul persecuted His followers before he had a personal encounter with Jesus. He then worked tirelessly to grow what Jesus began on Pentecost. Men after him have done a good job of molding the church into their image instead of God's. -
@jflower36: "thefiveelements, I can't disagree with you because at this point I don't know what your viewpoint is. Give me something to be open to and I will consider it. So far you haven't...."
But I already have! read my second previous coment to your question-
"read my second previous coment to your question"
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@SiuilARuin: Does This help?
I was once spiritually blinded just like many who do not believe in God. As a Matter of fact, I didn’t just disbelieve in God, but I hated the idea of the existence of a divine God due to many reasons. I used to justify my disbelief & hatred towards God when people justified the destruction of Nature & Human insanity as, “The will of God”. I was not silent about my resentment towards God, but “The Five Elements” pulled me out from that darkness of despair & confusion.
As an individual, I am not “The Five Elements”. The Five Elements is a message to humanity, and as a member of humanity, I surrendered myself, and may I add, willingly surrendered to The Five Elements, by vowing to do whatever it is recommended for me to do to the best of my ability.
The Five Elements is information that is worth to take a closer look with an open consciousness, then you can make your own conclusion with your free will, to accept it or reject it, and no one will put a sword to your neck to influence your decision.
My purpose here is not to create debates or force anyone to accept “The Five Element”. I am simply presenting information. Information that I believe everyone needs the opportunity to access, and then they can make their own conclusion, and one has nothing to lose by doing so.-
Thefiveelements:
"The Five Elements is information that is worth to take a closer look
with an open consciousness, then you can make your own conclusion with
your free will, to accept it or reject it, and no one will put a sword
to your neck to influence your decision."
What is this information?
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Doesn't sound like it.
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O.k., I read some of it. It sounds like the fiveelements has created it's own religion.
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“A Religion?” You cannot serious? What I am about to say is not a personal attack, but a general statement.
Hypocrites: they are even mentioned within the scriptures. Hypocrites have away a way of shying away from any truth that does not fit their Belief System or Life Style.
But anyone who rejects the truth for these reasons or for any reason, he or she is playing a losing game, because the time will come where THE TRUTH will be what matters the most for everyone. -
Maybe I misunderstood, but I'm trying to piece together where you stand. Looking up the definition of religion, everything I read in the five elements seems to fit this definition, "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
If it is not a religion then what is it? You are calling it "the truth". Are you saying it is a philosophy then? What are you calling it?
You said:
"Hypocrites have away a way of shying away from any truth that does not fit their Belief System or Life Style." I don't think that fits the definition of a hypocrite. A hypocrite is "a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements", according to the dictionary definition.
You have not given me a reason that the five elements really is true, except that you have said it is true. Also, you refer to the scriptures (I'm assuming bible) but it does not appear that you subscribe to everything the bible teaches.
This also is not an attack. I'm just trying to better understand where you are coming from.
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@jflower36, This is a quotation from The Five Elements:
“Spirituality is a personal journey, not a convoy to an unclear destination that many religions of the world are.” This does not seem like someone who is forming a “Religion”.
The Five Elements’ suggestions to people are simply to encourage them to tap in to their inner self. And jflower36: You cannot understand The Five Elements massages by glancing through them.-
Who wrote the fiveelements and came up with this philosophy?
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Hello....there is middle ground here...balance...balance...
So...once again..
Now that I can agree with !!!....if the world is deceived..then no one should hold on to or be sure about THEIR belief systems !!! Now that my friends IS a nugget of truth with a truck load of impact!! Your information comes from within !!...But only after you stop trying to figure it out...when the deceived mind shuts up and just listens...when you realize you cannot obtain truth from this world..when your ego steps aside allowing for the willing innocence to come forth the truth emerges from within...Revelation is revealed within the context of time. The holy spirit is allowed to enter...error is corrected....God takes the final step for your return to sanity...out of hell my friends..out of hell.
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@TimRex: Well Said!
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@TimRex: Well Said!
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@TimRex: Well Said!
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I'm sure if Jesus wanted to follow Himself, then he could.
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@jflower36, Who wrote the bible?
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Why answer a question with a question. I'll answer your question after you answer mine?
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@jflower36, Who wrote the bible?
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What came first, the chicken or the omelet? This is sort of one of "Those" questions. -
Eye witnesses like Peter and John, just to name a couple, wrote The Gospel which is the testimony that Jesus walked the Earth, performed miracles, died on the cross and arose from the dead. It's the most important aspect of the New Testament, and an absence in the belief that this happened is eternal damnation.
You can argue the same points that have been argued for the last 2,000 years, but you must believe the gospel because nothing else matters. No one can prove anything 100% but there is more evidence for Jesus and what he did then there is evidence for any other historical events from ancient times.
From the beginning some people tried to disprove Jesus and what he did and what he said and that's the reason the eye witnesses wrote the bible (New Testament). In part, the New Testament addresses many of the same arguments being discussed here. You must read it with the guidance of the Holy Spirit or your waisting your time attempting to understand or find the truth.
I read the writing in thefiveelement's link and there is truth in what is written, but without the Holy Spirit one cannot know the truth. -
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I don't know.
IF we had contemporary eyewitnesses during the life of Jesus we might have something to work on. But sadly all we have are the gospels written decades after the fact. Josephus and Paul were the only near contemporaries but even then their accounts may have been subjected to "corrections" to coincide with political agendas.
No first hand eyewitness accounts means we can only speculate and/or keep a humble faith.
So yes, I can say I don't know.
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@Eruesso: Thank you for your humble opinion. Sometimes we get trapped within our own ego, and the honesty of “I don’t know” is often interpreted as ignorance. But when you are free from the ego of the spirit that consumes many, then you will be willing to admit what you do not know, and that humbleness of the spirit can be sometimes inspiring. Thanks again
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Hey, don't forget me! I said it first!
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@nothingprofound: I thought my comment would answer your question. I was not trying to ignore you.
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Who wrote the five elements and what is the history behind it?
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@jflower36: Asking a question to which the answer is right in front of you, I am not interested in that game of hypocrisy. If you read “The 5 Elements” you would know who wrote it & what it is about.
By having 5 Elements” accessible, it is my obligation to assist anyone who has interest in it, & answer anyone who has a question about it. However, there are some who can only be dragged out from the darkness that numbed their soul, unable to accept the Truth, and I am not about to do that. I have presented the information, the rest is up to you, Take it or leave it, it is your call. -
thefiveelements, I don't appreciate being called a hypocrite. I scanned but didn't not read the entire thing. I asked a simple question. The fact that you are so secretive about it makes me question the content. If it is true, then there should be no secrets. As I can't get a straight answer from you I will leave it alone. The bible is my ultimate authority.
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Anyone knows "The Book Of Mormon"?It is said that it is comparable to the Bible.Appreciate your help.-
Here is an excerpt from wikkipedia:
The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of the churches of the Latter Day Saint movement. It was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[1] According to Smith, the book was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" on golden plates that he discovered in 1823 and then translated. The plates, Smith said, had been buried in a hill near his home in Manchester, New York, where he found them by the guidance of an angel, a resurrected[2] ancient American prophet-historian named Moroni.
The Book of Mormon is the earliest of the defining publications of the Latter Day Saint movement. The churches of the movement typically regard the Book of Mormon not only as scripture, but as a historical record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, written by American prophets from perhaps as early as 2500 B.C. to about 400 A.D.[3]
The Book of Mormon is divided into smaller books, titled after the individuals named as primary authors and, in most versions, divided into chapters and verses. It is written in the same Early Modern English linguistic style as the King James Version of the Bible.[4][5] The Book of Mormon has a number of original and distinctive doctrinal discussions on subjects such as the fall of Adam and Eve[6], the nature of the Atonement[7], eschatology, redemption from physical and spiritual death[8], and the organization of the latter-day church. It also includes social and political commentary.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_mormon
Mormons and christians differ on who Jesus Christ is. The bible is not the ultimate authority for a Mormon.
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@jflower36: “The fact that you are so secretive about it makes me question the content. If it is true, then there should be no secrets.”
This is the game of hypocrisy I am talking about. What is Secretive about a document posted in the Internet that is accessible to all?
Please don’t respond to this question because I don’t wish to continue this discussion with you any further.-
I think what jflower36 is looking for is a name to tie to the article, a background that gives the reader a starting point. Like "The Five Elements" by Abdoulaye. Sure, it's publicly posted on the internet but if you truly believe what you write and would like to share it, then share. Instead of responding with a reply like "the answer is right in front of you", which does seem suspiciously secretive, it would be far easier to say "I wrote it" or I don't know.
What I am trying to humbly get across (although it is difficult at times to express emotions like humility in threads like this) is that if you gave her a straightforward answer to a straightforward question then not only would she have thought about reading the 5 Elements but you might then be able to continue a friendly dialogue.
And on a sidenote, if you didn't write it you might want to cite your source (where you got it, who wrote it) on all of your sites before the author takes action for Copyright infringement. -
thefiveelements,
I am disheartened by your harsh response to me. I only asked for clarification. I am left to wonder if your response was because:
a) you were cranky
b)you don't really understand the five elements so you need to direct everyone to the link
c)you don't want to answer those questions for an undisclosed reason
I am aware that you don't wish to discuss this with me any further, and that is fine. However, you did post in a public forum and in a public forum you accused me of hypocrisy, so it is only fair that I should be able to respond.
I find it strange that you offer truth on the one hand, but don't want to answer questions about that "truth". I believe the bible to be the truth and I am happy to answer questions that anyone has about the bible. So I was a little taken back when you responded the way you did. I was only trying to understand this philosophy/religion (still don't know what you are calling it). I did look at your link, but have not yet been able to find who is the creator of this philosophy, and why this philosophy has the ability to claim any authority that it is "the truth".
Your use of the phrase, "game of hypocrisy" also leaves me confused. The definition of hypocrisy is "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess." How does that fit in with asking simple questions about thefiveelements? How is someone hypocritical because they are seeking clarification? Yes, I saw your link, but apparently the link didn't answer all my questions, which is why I asked you for clarification. No worries....I won't be asking you anymore questions. But I will be challenging the notion that thefiveelements is "truth".
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The golden rule of philosophy is that no one really knows what they're talking about. So why don't we all admit that and treat each other with civility and good humor.
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"No one really knows what they're talking about". The golden rule of philosophy?
Here is a link that may change your view
thefiveelementsalltruthsrevealed.blogspot.com/
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Socrates: "The only fact I know is the fact of my own ignorance."
Montaigne: "Nothing is more firmly believed than what one least knows."
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What an interesting discussion. Every time I thought of something to chime in with I read a little further and found that someone had already thought of it.
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@Eruesso: I do not need your opinion on how should I respond to a question.
By having 5 Elements” accessible, it is my obligation to assist anyone who has interest in it, & answer anyone who has a question about it, if the person really want to know.
Unless you read The 5 Elements, it would be purposeless to have any discussion about it. And please do not respond unless you have read The 5 Elements: then you might be able to understand on the level of my sayings. -
@nothingprofound: "The golden rule of philosophy is that no one really knows what they're talking about".
This golden rule of philosophy: “No one really knows what they're talking about” would be more accurate if it said, “No Philosopher really knows what they’re talking about”.
The Philosophical belief system is not any less corrupted than our confused religious belief system.
“No one really knows what they're talking about”. Yes We Do. We know the planet earth is round & is not the only planet in the universe”. That we know, because there are many facts that support this indubitable truth. This truth alone has proven your philosophical’ golden rule to be inaccurate. This is just one example from many things that we know as truth.-
Richard Feynman: "All scientific knowledge is uncertain." That from one of the pre-eminent physicists of the 20th century. I could quote equally from Einstein if you wish it. I'm not trying to to play a game of oneupmanship, only to suggest that there is always an element of doubt regarding any statement or thesis about the nature of reality.
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@nothingprofound: "there is always an element of doubt regarding any statement or thesis about the nature of reality".
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I'm wondering about the purpose of this post. Are you questioning Paul's integrity --- have you someone tied it into Christ's legitmacy? Is it to seriously tackle and understand Christ, Christ-likenes, Christianity, and/or Spirituality? Is it a round about way of bashing what one doesn't understand?
Remember --- just because one doesn't understand doesn't mean it isn't so.
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The word Christianity originates from Christ and is from Christ. Secondly Paul was not the one who founded Christianity but rather the disciples of Jesus did that or even Jesus Himself did that by His three of years of ministry. Thirdly Paul certainly did not walk with Christ but that does not mean that he certainly did not know about Christ beforehand of even after his radical encounter with Jesus Himself. Paul was one of the major contributors in regards with the NT. Paul articulated the teaching of Jesus in a successful way but that does not mean that He founded Christianity but rather he was strengthening Christianity I would say.
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@sirus: What scripture are you reading? Because based on your comment, it cannot the bible.
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Actually he is right on....and I read the same bible. Which bible are you speaking of thefiveelements?
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@sirus: What scripture are you reading? Because based on your comment, it cannot the bible.
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@sirus: What scripture are you reading? Because based on your comment, it cannot the bible.
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Was Jesus Christ a Christian?
Hm, what a question and most of the responses here shows how many really feels about Christians. It's a pity!
Now about that question please understand that Jesus was not a christian while he walked this earth. The word 'Christians' was only used many years after his death, resurrection and Ascension. And it was not even the Christians that called themselves by the word.
The word was first used by people in Antioch as a derogatory word on the followers of Christ. It simply means "followers of Christ" or "Christ-like." So Jesus the Christ was not a christian. It is those who are following his footsteps that are Christians.
And about Paul being the founder of Christianity it is unfortunate that many still hold this view even when they have the evidence of the Bible how Paul was once a persecutor of the Church until he encountered Jesus. The conversion of Paul is a testimony that God can always use anyone will accept His Son as the Savior of the World. Paul was a follower of Christ so he was a Christian just as I am a follower of Christ and I am a Christian!-
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@profitmcce: You need to analyze the scripture on a Spiritual level, but not on a religious point of view. Only then, the truth is clearly revealed.
There are 3 aspects about Christianity that are quite disturbing when you analyze them on a Spiritual level.
(#1) Jesus Christ never heard the word “Christianity” when he walked the earth. (#2) Paul, the founder of “Christianity” never walked with Christ when Christ walked the earth. (#3) The cross (symbol) of “Christianity” was designed for the purpose of (killing) Crucifying People. Christ was not the first victim of the cross, nor was he the last.
Paul founded “Christianity” based on his claim of having a vision of Christ. “Christianity” was founded based on a vision of one individual (Paul) who used to persecute people who were following the real teaching (gospel) of Christ. Paul did not just invent Christianity, but he changed the real teaching (gospel) of Christ and the evidence of this is flagrantly exposed within the scriptures.
There is a profound similarity of Paul’s story in Christianity & the story of a man called Malcolm X who had made a great deal of contributions to the religion known as “The Nation of Islam”.
Malcolm X claimed to having visions of the self-proclaimed prophet of the “The Nation of Islam”, as they call him “The Honorable Elijah Muhammad”.
While in prison, Malcolm claimed to having a vision of “The Honorable Elijah Muhammad”, who persuaded Malcolm to convert of The Nation of Islam, and Malcolm did, and later Malcolm became the spokesperson of The Nation of Islam”.
Malcolm was used for his speaking skill to misguide many people by having them converted into “The Nation of Islam”. Paul was also used for his stature to misguide many people into what is known today as “Christianity”.
By linking “Christianity” to Christ, many people were pulled away from the true teachings (gospel) of Christ, and the evidence of this is all over the scriptures as well being demonstrated in many worship places.
The way worship is being done in many worship place is not written anywhere within the scripture, and Christ & His Followers did worship the way it is being done in worship places.
For the devil having “Deceived The Whole World”, for this reason, no one should hold on to or be sure about Any Old Belief System.
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@AProvionOfGod: I am not questioning Paul's integrity; the evidence that Paul founded Christianity based on falsehood is flagrantly exposed within the scriptures, but many would rather turn blind eyes to it. When it comes to the scriptures, people like to turn blind eyes on anything they are uncomfortable with.
We have seen this mindset mentality repelled from the scripture into worship places, where worshipers are jumping & shouting, lost in the spiritual euphoria, which can make one wonder “What scripture are these people reading & Whose example they are following”?
It is not written anywhere within the scriptures where Christ & His Followers use jumping & shouting as their way of worshiping. So, why are people doing it?
The answers to this question is already written: Revelation 12: 9, “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world”. And yes indeed. If there are any truths within the Bible, this would be one of them.
The Devil has deceived the whole world, and some for having them believe that they are doing God’s will, and some having them trapped within total darkness where one’s soul is numbed, unable to resonate the truth within.-
It would be more helpful if you could use the scripture to back up your claims.
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"Paul did not just invent Christianity, but he changed the real teaching (gospel) of Christ and the evidence of this is flagrantly exposed within the scriptures."
Your quote does not have a leg to stand. Show me the scriptures? and I am reading the same bible that every Christian is reading.
Secondly with the matter of worship, the bible does not impose rules or strict conducts on how to worship but rather worship is a lifestyle, furthermore God is not against people jumping and shouting, but its a way of expressing our love towards God. Some people are comfortable with it and others are not.
Thirdly, Paul did not establish Christianity but rather nurtured it I would say. He articulated the teachings of Jesus besides planting churches in different cities. Certainly it is Jesus that founded Christianity.
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Fiveelements,
You said:
"Paul was also used for his stature to misguide many people into what is known today as “Christianity”
What brought you to this conclusion besides Malcolm X?
Also, if Paul were a heretic so to speak, why did the original disciples not call him on it? Instead they joined with him.-
SCRIPTURE: MATHEW,21: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter intothe kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".
MATHEW,22: “Many will say to me in that day (day of judgment) lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out the devil? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that Work Iniquity.”
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Thanks fiveelements, but those verses don't pertain to your earlier claim that "the evidence that Paul founded Christianity based on falsehood is flagrantly exposed within the scriptures".
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"Also, if Paul were a heretic so to speak, why did the original disciples not call him on it? Instead they joined with him."
Keep in mind that in the first few centuries of Christianity, it was without an agreed upon canon of scripture and that it was made up of a great number of sects that disagreed on many different matters. So there were likely disciples who did consider Paul a heretic. It was only at the Council of Nicea that Paul's Letters, the Four Gospels, Acts, and Revelations were agreed upon to be the official scripture of Christianity-- and of course, any Christian who said otherwise, was a heretic in the eyes of the Roman Empire. -
IanThal,
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Actually, there are plenty of Christian texts pre-Council of Nicea that take theological positions very different from those advocated by Paul. So there was a lot of disagreement amongst Christian sects on all sorts of matters up until Constantine establishing Christianity as the state religion.
That said, I'm not the one who called Paul a "heretic"-- he is only a heretic in a Jewish context in that there was a rich tradition of religious scholarship to which he was opposed-- but in terms of Christianity, there was no established orthodoxy until centuries after his death-- and heresy can only be declared with the establishment of orthodoxy.
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I'm not sure why people would start a thread asking if I'm Christian... I most certainly am not. I think I'm Jewish. But I'll probably come back a third time as a Buddhist just for good measure.-
MATHEW, 21: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven”.
Hxndxs and Mxslxms definitely will go to hxll as they don't believe Jesus. So they won't call Jesus and Jehovah lord.
MATHEW, 22: “Many will say to me in that day (day of judgment) lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out the devil? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that Work Iniquity.”
They are able to perform those miracle not because God is with them. They are able to because God love the one who believe that God can help them. What I mean is for example, pastor A is helping B to cast out demon. A managed to cast out the demon from B, but it is not that God is with A. Instead, God is with B because B believe in Him. Maybe you can perform miracle. But if you don't understand the true gospel, you will be the worker of iniquity.
You people speaks so much. But did you ever know what is the true gospel and what is the false gospel? Can you differentiate them?
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Let’s Decode These Verses on a Spiritual Level.
MATHEW, 21: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven”.
Who is this verse being addressed to? Jewish, Hindus & Muslims?
This Verse is being addressed to Christians, because it is Christians who call Jesus Christ, “Lord”.
MATHEW, 22: “Many will say to me in that day (day of judgment) lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out the devil? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that Work Iniquity.”
This verse is being addressed to Pastors, Priests & Preachers, because they are the ones who “Prophesies In The Name Of Christ, they are the ones who claim to Cast Out The Devil In The Name Of Christ, and they are the ones who claim to be doing Wonderful Works by spreading the word In The Name Of Christ.
We can go further with this, but what these verses are saying is clear & simple to understand on a Spiritual level.
The Level of Spiritual Understanding, it is where the human spirit can manifest to its God given free will, by confirming what it knows on its own without any intimidation or outside influences, and it is also where everything is clearly revealed as it truly is.
“The Five Elements” has revealed many truths, because it is written on a Spiritual Level.
Here is a link for more Decoded SCRIPTURES:
thefiveelementsalltruthsrevealed.blogspot.com/-
I understand the interpretations, but you won't find anything in the scriptures that speaks out against Paul.
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Your theology is lacking. To be a "Christian" was to be identified with being a follower of Jesus Christ alone! He would never be called a "Christian" because He doesn't follow Himself!
Secondly, Paul being a "Christian", and an Apostle, is because he follows Jesus Christ as his only hope of salvation and forgiveness. It doesn't matter if he literally walked with Jesus anymore than I walk with Jesus in faith. Paul and I are then, each "Christians" or followers of "The Way." [see John 14:6]-
@creemos: Clarification, it is not theology, but SPIRITUALITY
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@68John: "You people speaks so much. But did you ever know what is the true gospel and what is the false gospel? Can you differentiate them?"
YES WE DO.
1 CORINTHIANS 15, 1: Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, 2 by which you are saved, if you hold it fast--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
1 CORINTHIANS 15, 14: If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
What these verses are saying is that without “Resurrection & Christ died for our sin” Christianity is in vain. In that case Christianity’s belief is in vain, and these ideologies of Christianity are not what Jesus Christ taught when He walked the earth.
These are just few of many of the inventions of Christianity that had pulled people away from the teaching (The Gospel) of Jesus Christ.
CHRISTIANITY: “Christ died for our sins”.
MATTHEW: 5, 20: (Christ) For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
If Christ is already died for one’s sins, one’s “Righteousness” would not be required in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven.
CHRISTIANITY: “ Resurrection & Second Coming of Christ”.
JOHN, 17, 4: (Christ) I have glorified you on earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
JOHN 16, 6: (Christ) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my father, and ye see me no more; of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
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THE TRUTH NEVER DIES
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Jesus Christ, enough already!
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ENOUGH OF WHAT?
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enough of you resurrecting this thread but not having anything new to say!
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@NGF: You seem to be threatened by our information. Anyone who is threatened by the truths within our sayings will be terrified when the action of our purpose begins.
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who the hell is NGF?
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can you please tell me what the "action of our purpose" entails?
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@SuilARuin: "The 5 Elements" have more to say than humanity can handle.
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Why are you wasting your time on humanity then?
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The Five Elements is the diary of Mr. Abdoulaye N’Gom's personal spiritual journey. Yes, it contains spiritual truths but Mr. N’Gom is promoting it as if it were a holy text. So for jflower36 and anyone else that has been perplexed by the repeated link dropping by Mr. N’Gom, on all of his discussion threads, he's just trying to promote his site. It's sad that there can't be a civilized discussion on Jesus and his teachings but as far as I can tell these discussions started by Mr. Abdoulaye N’Gom (TheFiveElements) are meant to direct traffic.
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where you get this info?!
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I read his "Five Elements" page he's been HEAVILY promoting on all of his discussion pages. You can google his name Mr. Abdoulaye N’Gom, Five Elements, and even a line or two from the article themselves. You'll find that he's opened up several sites with the same information. No offense to Mr. N’Gom it's perfectly fine to promote your own site, but when you promote with an attitude of religious and spiritual superiority then no one's going to be interested in what you write no matter how many sites you open.
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you have much more patience than any of us...goes to show how unsuccessful he has been that none of us have read his site!
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Eruesso, thanks for letting us know. I figured it all came from him because he would never say who the author was....but I wasn't sure.
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@cookingasshole: I am talking about the purpose of “The 5 Elements”.
Very soon, our appearance to humanity will be testified from every corner of the world, and our message to humanity will resonate within every living soul on this earth. And Based on written & said prophesies, this purpose cannot be & will not be stopped by any evil means, and history will testify.-
like the teleological suspension of the ethical types of actions to eraticate the evils?
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@cookingasshole: Yes, the eradication of evils of this world.
And humankind will soon come to a clear realization that cannot come through (Armageddon) destruction.
Our fight with evil will not be a “World War” but a “Word War”, and “The 5 Elements” is more then ready to this purpose this time around.
All the forces of society that Separate, Discriminate, & Manipulate human will all be dismantled, as well overthrow all the philosophical systems that denied God, the Mighty Creator of creations.
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how you going to manage that then with 30 followers and a pagerank of 0?
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you better make sure you keep it to 'words' and not phyical actions Mr.fiveelements because otherwise you would frighten me.
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@cookingasshole: No don't be frighten, it is all about revealing the TRUTH
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@SuilARuin: If you looking for my info? google "Abdoulaye9"
You wilL see more about me.-
it's ok, I really don't care
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Siuil you need to prepare for and be a catalyst for the coming of the TRUTH!
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If I'm not ready for the TRUTH can I ask it to come back later?
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I don't know...it has a pretty busy schedule
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what if I'm in the shower when it knocks? will it leave one of those cards like the postman?
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I think TRUTH would come in anyway and help himself to whatever is in the fridge while it waits for you to finish your shower. That or it would end up like that scene in Psycho
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Hmm...TRUTH is a dick...
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A BIG dick because you know, sometimes the truth hurts
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k just for another "spin", conceding he was an Israeli Jewish person of that day and age, why is Jesus often portrayed as being pale with blond hair and blue eyes??? Oh and as skinny and weak looking as he was supposed to be a carpenter who cut trees, slugged tons of wood, worked everything with primitive tools etc. Wouldn't he have been olive complexioned, dark hair, dark eyes and buffed as all heck?
Never understood that.
*goes off to run amuk*-
Because by the time such images became common, it was also common for Christians to see Jews as accursed evil-doers who persecuted the Savior. Christian antisemitism (or anti-Judaism, if one prefers) was such that it was common to deny Jesus' Jewish origins.
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your perception of a hunk would not be a saviour..he would be much too vain for that..and would indeed run amuck with ding bats much like...hmmmmmm..yo self..most "carpenters" of that time period...did not fit your fantasy..nor do they today...might be blue eyed firefighters your really thinking of...
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Its origins were in a pagan rite common in much of Europe during the Winter Solstice. The tree would be decorated with offerings. Later, it was re-interpreted in that the tree was seen as representing Jesus' immortality.
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@Timrex your perception of a hunk would not be a saviour..he would be much too vain for that
So ALL hunks are vain? And how do you know what my perception of a hunk is? As far as I am concerned brains, sensitivity, being insightful, self and global awareness and manners also go into making one a hunk. And why couldn't they be a savior? Only the ugly, scrawny, geeky types are allowed to be saviors?
..and would indeed run amuck with ding bats much like...hmmmmmm..yo self
Why the personal attack?
..most "carpenters" of that time period...did not fit your fantasy..
How do you figure? They had no power tools like chainsaws or vehicles etc. They would, in fact, have to be cutting and hauling their materials, as far as I know, that would require strength and muscle, where is the fantasy here?
nor do they today
Again today's technology makes carpentry quite a bit different, go to a store, pick your materials, have them delivered and use power tools to help create what you want... (trying to picture Jesus in a pickup truck with 2 x 4's and Master Craftsman tools)
...might be blue eyed firefighters your really thinking of...
Might be some blond bimbo religious sheep your really mistaking me for. -
No Jesus was not a christian, but he sure was good-looking...
and has anyone explored the argument/translation that he may have been a stone mason, not a carpenter? Not an expert on that one, but interesting new tid-bit i heard about the translation of "carpenter" vs "mason". -
He is Mexican... His name is Jesus and His mom is named Maria? -
Hmm... no clue after all. But clearly he die following the right religion. -
i am sorry, it seems to me that you are quite confused... for whatever reason(s)... -
It is said that Jesus traveled Egypt and India etc and studied the ancient wisdoms and yoga when young. In India, he might have studied Buddhism.
I think he was a Spiritualist and he was well-informed about the law of the universe/nature. -
He was an Advaitist -
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This thread is still alive! For crying out loud! He was a teacher of Ethical Judaism (or... Rabbi! as the embelished texts refer to him)
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no...I am pretty sure he was a Christian.
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argghhh! Christianity did not exist yet!
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Well, i can't imagine Jesus Christ leading or holding the entire Christian Religious Institution, from the Vaticano or another place, palace or tower.
I swear i can't, you gotta believe me! hahahahaha
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And today, perhaps he would say to the christian religions ministers: "Hey men, what the hell you did with the teachings i gave! You really mystify me, brothers!"
Blessings for everybody
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Mexican?
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Rise.... Discussion...Rise...to the top level!!!-
You are so freakin evil man!
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@OP: The theory that Paul started Christianity makes very little sense from the geographical spread of Christianity. Ethiopia was a Christian nation well before Rome, Greece, Turkey or Syria, despite the fact that Paul's path took him from Isreal to Syria to Turkey to Greece to Italy, almost the exact opposite direction. Armenia was also a Christian nation before Rome, or anywhere else Paul went to, though that was a little closer to Paul's route of travel.
Further, Paul is not the only witness, Peter (who actually was with Christ), Barnabus and John were also present, as likely was Philip who I believe (though I could be wrong) was the one who headed to Ethiopia. Probably, Paul started the church that survived (in the Roman Empire) when the other churches largely disbanded or joined his. -
Christianity does not exist during those times me thinks.
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