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What do you think about of abortion Dr. George Tiller?
Posted by JFSRULZ • 6/18/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: abortion, pro-choice, pro-life, right to choose
Do you think that Dr. George Tiller was right in practicing abortions, even though he was a Christian?
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I don't know him. I don't think about it and there is a legal system in place to deal with issues like this one. If you or a woman carrying your child have a personal case against this individual use the legal system. If you don't have a legal leg to stand on then it's none of your business. Also note that if you maliciously defame this doctor you can be subject to a legal suit yourself so it's important to know what the law has to say about libel, particularly if you intend to blog about the doctor.
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It's clear that Christians are NOT in a position to judge one another. In addition, the Bible lacks any instruction whatsoever on abortion. My advise you is to remain focused on judging your own behavior and minding your own business and allow others to do the same.-
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Time Thief! RAH! -
Have you noticed that a disproportionate number of so-called Christian men, who remain unmarried, who presumably have no sex lives discounting masturbation, and who have no children that they admit to fathering are frequently voyeuristically preoccupied with the sex lives and reproductive issues of others, and are eager to judge others? Odd, isn't it?
It gives one pause to wonder if they truly are loving and compassionate incarnations of the risen Jesus, then why don't they manifest behaviors that are in line with his 'judge not lest ye be judged' commandment? -
I think they are closet pervs who cloak themselves in self-righteousness.
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here we go again.....
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Yep, this could be yet another control freak with a plank in it's eye, who excels at minding the business of others and pot stirring. but remarkably there is no scripture that can be relied upon when it comes to abortion and most of those who protest abortions are supporters of war making - go figure!
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i don't understand how people who aren't perfect, "sin", etc... can dare to judge any1. This doc wasn't performing abortions on just anyone or out of pleasure or some hoochie's whims. it was either to save a mother's life or because it was necessary.
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Abortion is a matter that's strictly between a pregnant woman and her doctors. The decisions made are made within a legal context (federal and state in America). If churches truly want to help pregnant women with their actual issues such as lack of education, unemployment, financial, emotional and psychological support so they have alternatives such as having the child and adopting it out, then there is nothing preventing them from doing so. They have tax free status.
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IMHO America is eons behind other nations. All non-profits including churches ought to be brought under the same legislation. The portion of their funds they actually use for feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and doing charitable work should be tax free and the rest ought to be taxed.
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1. God gave me my body. Does that give a Christian the right to claim my body?
2. Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
It's in the Bible so no one should get offended.
3. If memory serves he believed God gave him the knowledge to do his job and he counseled the women before the procedure.
4. This is again about rights. I'm not into abortion but it isn't my business is someone gets one. I love children but if I am not carrying that child it is none of my business. -
funny how such a simple question can get such a response.-
Really? Funny in what way? This is a social forum in a diverse community with people from many backgrounds and of many belief systems. This is a "general discussion" thread and not a Shameless Blog Promotion thread and it has been posted to a forum that has been provided for community building purposes. I view this thread as is just another community destructive pot stirring attempt destined to create controversy and ill will.
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It's not a simple question.
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sure is, and I'm going to add to it. I always here abortion should be a woman's decision because it's her body. Ok, but why shouldn't it be a couple's decision. I understand in some cases it can't be, but in many other's it can and perhaps should. One could argue that entering into intercourse with one another is a contract. It sure is when it comes to paying child support. So why is it a double standard when it comes to abortion? I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just curious to hear thoughts. -
When your belly swells, along with your ankles and your boobs, when your back aches 24/7 and you risk stroke or death from toxemia, when you are the one who is going to have to spend two days trying to push a basketball out your arse or get cut from navel to nether regions...THEN you get a vote.
Until then, STFU. -
Do you think that Dr. George Tiller was right in practicing abortions, even though he was a Christian?
Simple question albeit loaded...I think people jump on the chance to read into things and go nuts on 'the other side.' -
because most likely than not, the women ends up raising the child by herself. Paying child support is not synonim to being a good present father. because it is my body and no one can tell/force me to carry a baby i don't/can't carry. I am pro-life, but I think abortions should be left to those in charge of bringing life: women and their doctors.
I am against people having abortions because they aren't ready (adoption is here) or because their bodies will be messed up and stuff BUT sometimes, it is necessary to save a life or not bring a suffering/terminally ill child into the world. -
I wasn't trying to suggest by any means a Man or anyone should be able to force a woman into or out of an abortion. And I undertstand paying child support is not being a father. I would never try to block a woman from having an abortion if that's what she wants. I just know if I was in that situation I would want to hear the thoughts from the other half.
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hehe man, I missed something. My initial reaction from reading it was not the OP judging anyone but rather doing what everyone else here does and pointing out hypocrisy in religios folks. I think it was slightly baited however I think it was more designed to bait christians and not the usual suspects, if anyone at all. Opinions aside it's a valid discussion just phrased the wrong way-
There is no conflict between being an abortion provider and being a christian. The bible is mute on the subject.
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BAM! - Easy answer to an easy question
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exactly, see how much simpler that was? The conflict only exists within branches and sects that have created their own bilaws within it. If he were a catholic...... it'd be a whole different story.
random fact: the reason these sects have these beliefs is because there are over a dozen scriptures that state life starts at conception, hence the dilemma for such sects -
Yes the Bible is mute on the subject and I said that in my first comment above. The point is that we BC members from all over the world, on this social forum provided for community building purposes are being asked for our "general discussion" opinions about a specific doctor, who we do not know, and who is allegedly performing abortions.
We have no personal knowledge of the facts specific to this doctor's practice. We do not even know which state he is practicing in and which laws apply.
We BC members come from a diverse background of religious and philosophical belief systems and live in different nations and are under different legal systems.
Yet, in this thread even though we are not all Christians, we are all being invited into a situation that could lead to members using this forum to defame the reputation of this allegedly Christian doctor.
How much wisdom and goodwill do you find in issuing that kind of invitation? -
oh no, I agree the personalization and the wording was off. I think it should have been worded more along the lines of "what is your opinion of doctors affiliated with religion who practice procedures such as abortion, lethal injection or sterilization? Does it go against their religion? Are they Hypocrites or heroes?"
I think that would have generated a better discussion... well until the bible bangers took it over anyway -
"Bible bangers" not at all. I grew up in a church. I know more than I want to know about Christianity. Usually a statememnt like this goes a long with practice what you preach. I knew where this was going and usually it ends in passing judgement somewhere. So what if the Dr. was a Christian. Does it matter he was murdered en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller
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As the Bible is clear about Christians being under a commandment not to judge one another, and as the member who posted this thread does claim to be a Christian, I view this thread as 'dangling carrot' being used as bait for the purpose of leading other Christians into a situation of sinning, don't you?
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He was murdered while in church. I know OP never mentioned...
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@shiley- I was not referring to you at all, but was more directed towards those that drop scripture after scripture after scripture in post after post. There is a difference in my mind between christians and bible bangers. Bible bangors tend to try to covert everyone and are one of the main reasons I denounced religion after 24 years
As for him being murdered, no it makes no difference, it happens all the time, and I agreed with the others his namer should not have been mentioned anyway.
@TT, I see what you are saying. I really do. Every now and then I just get hopeful that one of these discussions will be fruitiful and horizons will be broadened (my own included). Haha maybe one day. I agree with your comparrison to the carrot, it is like I said earlier it seemed baited just not towards those who responded.
Blah my birthday is in November lol for my birthday I want to have one of those conversations that leave me with feeling like I have a better understanding of those with different viewpoints. -
My bad. Had very little sleep last night. I Don't feed the kids caffine maybe last night was a full moon. My brain is mushy.
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nah looking back I can see where you got that from, you were the only one that commented and my response was supposed to be in future tense, like what would inevitable happen if that discussion got under way. So that one was completely my bad as I did not phrase it correctly
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"Do you think that Dr. George Tiller was right in practicing abortions, even though he was a Christian?"
No. Only Satan himself should be allowed to perform such a task. Seriously though, does religion really matter here or do different religions perform abortions differently? -
I was part of a group in NYC that fully and whole heartedly supported his work and we felt his death was a HUGE loss. I beleive that he was a noble man and he did what he felt was right. He performed late stage abortions when the child had deadly illnesses or the birth would have caused damage or death to the mother only. He was not frivelous with this, he was not excessive. He was a blessing and his death was totally ridiculous. Christianity or not. -
I'm not gonna answer....like endless said the ? Was bait 4 everyone who is a christian.
Like I said its kinda pointless to argue over what they believe it just causes animosity....
I'm getting tired of being labled "the crazy christian girl" who has belifs in something more than the "THEORY" of evolution...
That's all I'm gonna say about that........now carry on,bc I'm not trying to jack this thread-
LMAO!!!! Holly don't be paranoid, no one's labeling you!
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Paranoid? Whateverrrr I don't mind if I am labled as a christian. I just think its kinda silly and pointless to argue any more it gets old after a while.
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no, i'm not calling you paranoid... we are not arguing either. but honestly holly if a patient came into your office, suppose you are a doctor. She's 8 months pregnant with a terminally ill baby and if she carries it to term, chances are she'll die or suffer irreparable damage what would you do? what if you were that mother?
what about raped women? should they have to carry to term?
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I'm surprised many people don't hear/listen to the news.
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"the news" is a term that is subjective to conditions and relative to he community in which it is given
i have never met this fellow, nor have i heard about him
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i believe you can be pro-choice and pro-life at the same time.
even though he is a christian he has a civic duty and moral obligation as defined by the Hippocratic oath
"I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary (A pessary is a small plastic or silicone medical device or form of pharmaceutical preparation which is inserted into the vagina or rectum and held in place by the pelvic floor musculature) to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."-
pessaries were apparently common practice to induce abortion in the time of hippocrates,
"Therapeutic pessaries are used to support the uterus, vagina, bladder, or rectum. A pessary is most commonly used to treat prolapse of the uterus. It is also used to treat stress urinary incontinence, a retroverted uterus, cystocele and rectocele"
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