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What do you think Obama means when he says "Change"?

Posted by Mark43 • 8/26/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: change, Democrat, hope, obama, politics, republican

Since Obama will not say what he plans to "Change", I need your help. While you are at it can you also tell me what he means by "Hope"?

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8/26/08

clioandme

Listen to his speech on Thursday. Or listen to what other Democrats are saying now. Mark Warner's keynote address can help: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94003032

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8/26/08

CrotchetyOldMan

Change: Vote for me, please.

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1. 8/28/08
  
  MidwestMom
  
  Crotchety Old Man!!
  
  You mean McCain's on BC!??!
  
  stop yelling at clouds, now, old man...
8/26/08

freeatlast

Curious... wasn't there a political discussion group started during my absence over the summer? If so, where is the best place to have these types of discussions around here, in BC land??

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1. 8/26/08
  
  clioandme
  
  If you view these discussions in the list view, you'll see an advertisement for them on the right. Here's the direct link: www.blogcatalog.com/politics/discuss
8/26/08

funepets

A leader has to inspire people, and that, time and again he has proven his capability. Change can be in any form, one of which I am confident that he will do is improve America's relationship with the rest of the world/open diplomacy. And we are sure he will also work to improve the condition of blue colored pets like me...lol

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8/27/08

Hoeno

When he says 'Change', he clearly wants to know if you have any spare change to help him run his campaign.

~JD

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1. 8/27/08
  
  Mark43
  
  LMFAO. Thanks for that!
2. 9/04/08
  
  velvethammer
  
  LOL! Change the crybabies diapers.
8/27/08

crawler

Change means become an Obama from a Bush.

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8/27/08

drjay1966

Change means turn away from the suicidal course the Republicans have led us on.
Hope means believe that it's not too late, despite the incredible damage done by Bush & co.

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1. 8/27/08
  
  Mark43
  
  Is the "suicidal course" the Republicans have led similar to that of the radical muslim terrorist? Just askin'.
2. 8/27/08
  
  satijournal
  
  It's more financial suicide with republican economic policies as apposed to blowing yourself up.
3. 8/28/08
  
  clioandme
  
  The suicidal foreign policy that has weakened our military and our alliances based on delusional best case scenario planning for a war in Iraq.
8/27/08

canubapartofmylife

He wants a revolution. I say go to Venezuela if you want that sick crap. I don't need anyone to change this country. We have the best laws and system in place already -- with perfect checks and balances -- to ammend things that need fixing.

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1. 8/28/08
  
  banquetmanager
  
  Well said. The only thing he will be able to change is his pants! He too young politically to have any pull with the old stallwards in Congress. They will control him just like the Clintons have controlled his convention.
  soyouwanttobeabanquetmanager.blogspot.com
2. 8/28/08
  
  timethief
  
  @banquetmanager
  I have noticed that you have the habit of link dropping. Maybe you should reconsider the link dropping part as it's not well received here at BC. Reading the sticky post at the head of the forum will clarify this for you here's the link to Read Before Posting www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/read-before-posting-1
  Best wishes for better posting
3. 8/28/08
  
  MidwestMom
  
  We have the best laws and system in place already -- with perfect checks and balances -- to ammend things that need fixing.
  
  That would be all well and good if we had a Presidential administration that understood and respected the Constitution. We don't.
  
  Let's *change* that.
4. 8/28/08
  
  timethief
  
  @canubapartofmylife
  It seems you haven't Obama's Blueprint for Change so here's the link so you can do that www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
  It seems under your "best laws and system" one can be held for five years without charges being laid or a trial taking place. Does Guantanamo Bay ring a bell with you? It rang a bell for the rest of us living in democracies. It rang so loud that we shouted - liars!
  
  It seems in your country the administration scored record high military budgets and poverty rates simultaneously. It seems your youth are being sacrificed on battlefields and coming home in body bags to insure the unsustainable continuance of an oil based economy upheld by exploiting the resources of other nations. It also seems your country has ve an enormous debt that will take multiple generations to pay off. It also seems over 45.7 million Americans lack a healthcare plan, kids have 40 year old out of date text books and the list goes on. Surely you must be living in an altered state of reality if you think you live under the best system there is.
5. 9/04/08
  
  velvethammer
  
  Right on.
  
  Barack (Alinsky method man) Obama
8/28/08

kdawg68

It's essentially a marketing attempt to capitalize on the growing (and very real) disenfranchisement many feel with the Bush Administration and the Federal Govt. at large.

Really it's no different than when a candidate says "leadership you can trust." (and they all say that)

Personally I don't buy any bag of goods any politician is selling.

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1. 8/28/08
  
  canubapartofmylife
  
  Time thief...you confuse a system with actual things happening. We DO live in the best system. All you did was make a laundry list of things you didn't/don't like about what is happening now. There are also thousands of wonderful things about our country that co-exist with your list, some of which are valid and some of which are clearly not. But our body of governing is still the best one on this earth, perfect it ain't! But we have the three branches of government to ensure checks and balances and we have this great system to work with and through to make changes as needed and will always be needed. This is something most other countries do not have and we are lucky to live here. We have more rights and privilages even in poverty here than in any other nations. As far as guantanamo goes -- well who gives a rats ass. Those "people" were picked up with guns in their hands, brain washed to kill in infidel. They still have MORE rights there than what they did and do to anyone who isn't of their religious mindset. You see there IS NO comparrison because they bloody, and drag bodies without arrest, trial, court systems and liberal wack jobs crying for our soldiers to protest their rights and freedoms and leave them burned up in the streets and that's if we are lucky to find the bodies. So yes, guantamo is a freaking five star hotel when put into proper perspective. But alas you will certainly disagree with me. That's fine.
2. 8/28/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  FAIL!
  
  You replied to kdawg.
8/28/08

timethief

Here's the pdf link to Obama's Blueprint for Change
www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

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8/28/08

ekim941

I thought he was referring to a fresh new diaper.

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1. 9/04/08
  
  velvethammer
8/28/08

clioandme

It's also a changing of the guard. The post-Vietnam generation is coming into its own now.

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8/28/08

satijournal

Come on, if you really wanted to know what he means by "change" you'd go to his website.

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1. 8/28/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  Heh. Yeah. Or ontheissues.org
2. 8/28/08
  
  clioandme
  
  But reading is haaarrrrd.
3. 8/28/08
  
  timethief
  
  Yes it does appear that there are those who have no desire to read Obama's Blueprint for Change www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf I wonder why that is? One would assume that any blogger would be a reader.
4. 8/28/08
  
  satijournal
  
  The facts don't agree with their opinion. That's why they don't read it.
5. 8/28/08
  
  timethief
  
  Actually I'm beginning to question whether or not they can read.
8/28/08

beinki

"Change" That's all that will be left of your paycheck once he increases taxes.

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1. 8/28/08
  
  satijournal
  
  Yep, that's the soundbite!
2. 8/28/08
  
  timethief
  
  @mikermcmillen
  Thanks so much for sharing that. Sadly it makes you appear as though you are only able to spew tired old McCain soundbites. Do you think you are up to posting something of substance and including your authoritative sources now? Or would that be asking for more than you can handle?
3. 8/28/08
  
  clioandme
  
  You haven't been paying attention to his plan, just the McCain ads. You have to have several millions to get a tax increase.
  
  Here's one piece from the non-partisan Factcheck.org. You can find more there, if you're interested in the real proposals as opposed to McCain's 30-second spots: www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html
4. 8/28/08
  
  RuinousRight
  
  You must be in a household making over $250,000 a year.... good for you. Those of us who don't bring in that kind of cake will get break on taxes.
  
  www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
5. 8/28/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  He's actually going to decrease taxes on MY paycheck.
8/28/08

RuinousRight

Change: make or become different. In other words... change the course set by Bush, Cheney and the Republicans. A vote for McCain means a vote for stay the course.

Every U.S. citizen should ask themselves...
"Am I better off than I was eight years ago?"
"Is my country better off than it was 8 years ago?"

The answers to those questions along with being informed about the candidate's positions regarding the issues will guide your vote. Don't let F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty & doubt) influence your decision.

Get the facts:
www.barackobama.com/issues/

Don't fall for the smears:
www.truthfightsback.com/
www.fightthesmears.com/

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8/28/08

aftercancer

My blog has excerpts from the upcoming speech. Read and decide for yourself.
www.aftercancernowwhat.wordpress.com

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8/28/08

clioandme

In his speech tonight, Obama laid out exactly what he means by change. It wasn't just philosophical or the fact that he has the right temperament and judgement for the job—unlike McCain. Instead he laid out specific policy points.

This NPR story includes links to the transcript as well as an audio recording: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94077510

I also expect it will appear on YouTube pretty soon on the Democratic Convention's channel:
www.youtube.com/demconvention

Or you can catch it on RealAudio via C-SPAN: www.c-span.org/

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1. 8/29/08
  
  RuinousRight
  
  Good job Mark... you beat me to it.
8/29/08

timethief

While the subject of change is being discussed. I would like to request that political discussion be posted to the forum that was specifically created for them. Is that too much to ask?

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1. 8/29/08
  
  opinionstreams
  
  @TT - it seems ironically that you resurrected this thread so you could ask that the discussion be moved to a new thread
  
  Seriously though, please read my responses to you on my own discussion www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/since-this-is-political-discussion-day-ba...
  
  and on TBR's discussion: www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/turn-out-the-lights-the-mccain-party-is-o...
  
  I know this is a pretty strong subject for you. I also feel really strongly about my point.
2. 8/29/08
  
  gmoney
  
  yes you know it is........
9/04/08

velvethammer

Obama 'hopes' things 'change' and his "pay grade" is raised.

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1. 9/04/08
  
  timethief
  
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9/04/08

opinionstreams

I posted my take on what he means on my blog. Hint: change=restoration.

Please visit the article for my detailed view.
opinionstreams.com/blog/?p=42

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9/04/08

wehireu

It means he hopes that you will overlook his favoring very large companies like Amazon over small independent businesses. The change you will get if you are a small business owner under Biden/Obama is pocket change. But if you are a big business, you will get dollars.
www.courant.com/features/booksmags/hc-prodnotes0824.artaug24,0,6720615.stor...

I wish McCain would go jump in a lake and Obama would take a long vacation where we would never see him again.

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9/05/08

velvethammer

Liberal Socialism
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YynWKg1plu4

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9/05/08

velvethammer

Can we say wussy? Yes we can! tinyurl.com/6ctprr

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9/05/08

aningeniousname

Anything under a dollar.

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9/05/08

Mark43

According to his blueprint Sen. Obama feels, "the dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it's slipping away."
What dream is slipping away?

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1. 9/05/08
  
  voodooKobra
  
  The "anyone can achieve greatness in America" dream, of course.
9/05/08

globalgirl

Socialism perhaps?

See Glen Beck video on CNN Headline News: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgc4zm3XrBc

"Barack Obama Socialism Inspiration Ad": www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI3Bskym1Do

"Global Poverty Tax"-- www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePbtEABzGk&feature=related

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9/05/08

csiunatc

I think it means that he understands how to make a soundbite, and that he hopes he'll get to November without having to actually specify it.

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9/06/08

LostAdolescence

Dude you obviously haven't been listening to Obama's speeches..

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1. 9/06/08
  
  csiunatc
  
  Actually i have.. repeatedly.
  
  His explanations just don't add up. And I don't believe that they have a snowballs chance in hell to work the way he says they will.
9/06/08

chrisc324

Anyone that wants to add more responsibilities to the government better be ready to pay more in taxes. These things don't pay for themselves nor does any politician actually make it so we don't pay for it.

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9/06/08

irtiza104

to me it means that America will now stop all the wars and truly try to promote peace...

i am afraid of america more than al qaeda....

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1. 9/06/08
  
  Linc4Justice
  
  You guys must get MSNBC over there.
9/06/08

Linc4Justice

By change he means changing his position every five minutes.

His "tax cuts" proposals by the way would seriously F&*^ things up for middle class demographics due to the nature of marginal tax rates:

www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan

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9/06/08

csiunatc

Best article I've seen so far on the topic. Thanks Linc.

"Although Obama is offering a new series of tax breaks, they undermine rather than improve economic incentives."

This is the real problem, taxes aren't built on simple 1+1, they are compounded with each effect triggering another. and the Obama version of tax cuts actually increases taxes instead. And does so for a tax bracket much lower than his stated 250k.

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1. 9/06/08
  
  Linc4Justice
  
  Welcome csiunatc
  
  Neither candidate has an superb tax plan really, though I think McCain will spur more economic growth and prevent more poverty traps than Obama's would (if he even follows through on it, which I seriously doubt.)
  
  Ideally though a flat tax initiative should be offered, but in a perfect world income tax would be abolished altogether and replaced with a federal sales tax. Bye bye loopholes and no more tax shelters for the rich.
9/06/08

csiunatc

I think you are right, it is the "lesser of two evile"

The real problem as i see it with Obama is the combination of what this article discusses along with the capital gains tax. Combined they could be detrimental to average income families who are in a position where they have to sell a home. The Combinatory effect would almost eliminate their chances of moving to a smaller owned home, effectively reducing the number of potential downwards moving home owners, which in itself will hurt the housing market even more.

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2/26/09

CentricStudios

I think he means he "Hopes" to make some serious "Change"! $ $ $ $ $ $ $

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