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What do you think of vegetarians?
Posted by footiam • 10/23/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
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Are there any vegetarians out there? Why do people become vegetarians? Are you for or against vegetarians?
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I think the creator created animals to provide nutrition for humans. There are probably certain vitamins we need that can't be found in veggies. I don't think being a vegetarian is natural.
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i don't care if someone is a vegetarian or not. how can you be "for" or "against" vegetarians?
i, personally, am very allergic to all of the veggie sources of protein that you need to replace meat. so, i could never go veggie. but people who do the nutritional research and take care of themselves ... who cares if they're veggie or not. their choice ... and it's their choice to make ... and it hurts no one.
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Um.
Don't we have enough problems with thinking things about people as a class based on their race or religion or sexual orientation (and so on) without starting to have opinions about whole classes of people based on what they EAT?-
Actually, there is a long history of discriminating against people by what they did or did not eat (and what they were believed to eat.) Yes, these differing diets do often coincide with religion or culture, but sometimes they take on symbolic power that is discriminatory, exclusionary or even humiliating-- such as forcing someone to break their religiously held dietary practices.
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Actually, according to an essay I read some years back, in the medieval period, the Catholic and Orthodox Churches also had more widely practiced regulations on diet as well-- and even between these Christian churches, the regulations were not the same.
By 1500 in Spain, it was common to eat large amounts of pork and ham in public festivals, just to demonstrate to everyone that one was not a Jew or Muslim in hiding.
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What is so bad about vegetarians? Why do you care what other people eat? People who are vegetarian usually do it for very unselfish reasons, so I don't know why you'd be against them. I am a new vegetarian and it is not hard at all to get everything u get in meat, without fat and cholesterol, in other foods. One of my blogs is dedicated to the subject. Many things in the Bible point to eating animals as unethical and that God made seeds for our nutrition. I just don't understand what gives us the right to abuse and kill animals for food, what if a smarter "being" invaded the world and ate us?
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Where in the Bible?
As I recall there are several passages where God commanded His people to kill a particular kind of animal and eat it.
You might be thinking about the kosher restrictions, in which certain animals and body parts are considered unclean. On closer inspection, these mostly turn out to be health concerns. (Pigs, the most well known of the kosher don't eat list, are susceptible to many of the same diseases as humans and even now have to be cooked extra carefully to insure safe eating. Back in Biblical times it was simply safer to avoid pork altogether.) -
Fast food and other places buy food already packaged. They have nothing to do with the raising of the animals. It's who they buy the food from who's responsible for that. As for how they're treated, I can only attest to what I've seen personally and it's hardly abusive. (A tad crowded, but humans live like that just being in a city.)
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I've always been a vegetarian, but once in a while I do try eating meat. A couple of weeks ago I made a pot roast for my husband. It was very tender and tasty, and I had a little bit of it. Afterwards, I felt queasy, as I always do when I eat meat, and I wished I hadn't eaten it.
If it's something unidentifiable, maybe covered in BBQ sauce, I can gulp it down as long as I don't think about what I'm eating. If I think about it, I won't eat it. -
Here you go...my thoughts on vegetarians:
midgetmanofsteel.blogspot.com/2007/09/vegetarians-other-white-meat.html
Mental Poo
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I could really careless. Their choice not mine, why is it any of my buisness?! Why do any of us care? Are they hurting you?
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Going Veggie is great for your body & moral issues if you believe in that thing.
Have you ever watched animals being slughtered and maimed? NOT a beautiful sight! animals have/feel pain just like we do!
Do you see what the do to chickens? force feed them with wire around their necks along with ducks & geese. they do this, so the poor fowl donot regurtate the food~ ewwwww! ( I had a pet goose she was too cute)
If that wasn't bad enuff the hormones and BS that the pump into beef,pork & Veal is absolutley vile! Not to mention dead animals ARE ground up and mixed with feed for living livestock to eat, sounds tatsy doesn't it?
makes you think of that lovely movie "Solient Green"~(sp) I remember that as a kid, yikes! If humans would cut down in their consumption of beef & other meat products there would be less heart disease,cancer,etc..
just FOOD for thought!
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I used to watch my dad and brother ring chicken necks, about as appetizing as a slaughter house visit.
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Well, a second cousin once removed is on a vegetarian diet because of heart problems. If it's because of that or other health concerns that's one thing, but other wise it just doesn't make sense. Humans need protein and it's just easier to get that protein from meat.
I mean, we are omnivores. That means we eat veggies and meat.
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There are plenty of vegetables and grains with high iron-content.
It is true that vegetarians need to be a lot more thoughtful about how to get proper nutrition than omnivores, but that's really easy in most modern societies. Outside of people with very specific dietary needs, an ominvorous diet is a matter of habit-- not of genuine biological need.
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Why would a loving God create animals that love, feel pain, and bond with others just so they can be ripped apart from their families, be forced to live in a cage until they are brutally slaughtered, just so we can get iron a little more efficiently?
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Have you actually seen a farm?
Seriously, I live in a rural area and am a little familiar with the practices. None of the animals I've seen live in cages. They live in barns and get to go outside everyday, except in winter because it's too cold.
The exception being bison, since they're designed for this climate and spend pretty much all their time outside.
Anyway, why would a loving God make animals that get eaten? I suggest reading Genesis. Beyond that, I have to wonder if you think it's immoral to feed a dog kibble. Would you have them go vegetarian, too?
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I think I touch a bit on this subject in one of my older post. Do have a look at 'A blink for an answer' at steptpg.blogspot.com/2007/09/blink-for-answer.html
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I am not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate vegetables.
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I've been both a meat-eater and vegetarian. I lost about 30 pounds as a VegHead, but felt grumpy without meat. I eat very little meat nowadays, because my kid just wrote a gruesome report on Factory Farming and it makes it a little challenging to swallow meat at the moment. It really is horrible how they treat these animals. If we're eating them, we're eating what they ate and what they eat ain't all that great. So, at the moment I'm on strike against meat. If I get grumpy, I'll just eat more organic chocolate ;-)
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A gout attack two years ago changed my point of view on vegetarians. I had pain in the bunion of my left foot. Since I knew that my uncle had recurring troubles with gout and that is was diet related, I went to a nutritionist. She gave me a list of foods. It included foods to avoid and foods that were OK. Most meats were on the worst list. And I'm aware that gout can become serious enough to involve amputations. I haven’t had an attack since that time.
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Brigid : I have seen a farm. The ones you speak of account for less than 10% of all meat produced in the US. That's what I used to think, too. I forget what book of the Bible it is in, since I am atheist, but I have seen more than a few quotes where the Bible says that "seeds" were intended to be our meat. Animals have to eat meat in the wild to survive. We do not. I know wild animals have to kill to survive, but we are intelligent enough that we do not have to. We just kill for the pleasure.
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Since I have a lot of free time b4 going home, I looked some of the quotes up:
You can correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not an expert in the area.
Genesis 1:29. "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 9:4. "But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."
Isaiah 66:3. "He that killeth an ox [is as if] he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, [as if] he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, [as if he offered] swine's blood; he that burneth incense, [as if] he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations."
Religion has nothing to do with why I am vegetarian, obviously. I just don't like to rely on an outside source to tell me what is "right" and what is "wrong." My conscience tells me what I should and shouldn't do. It feels wrong to me, so I don't do it anymore. -
I'm anti-vegetarian. Though I confess that sometimes I will go a day or two myself without eating meat.
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Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything."
Just found this...makes me feel better...cause I don't think I could live without a juicy sirloin every once in awhile. :O)-
I would have a hard time living without juicy sirloins too, but I'm really not a big fan of that Bible passage at all... the idea that the planet and all living things on it are just there for us to do whatever the hell we want to do with them. I prefer the exact opposite view, that human beings are in no way objectively superior than any other life form, but just another species with a niche that has evolved naturally over millions of years... a niche that happens to include eating dead meat.
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Off-track...I don't really live my life by the bible. Because I could never pick and choose like so many do. Otherwise, I'd have to stone my kids for cursing me...lol
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is stoning children legal where you live?
you could try feeding them maccas, that's a form of chemical torture, but a lot of people don't realize it.
or even better, take them down to the surf on a nice day and tell them they are not allowed in the water..
or how about...make them gluten free like more poor 13 year old has to be, it's torturous beyond belief and very expensive
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I think they need to eat meat. If they are so much in love with the animal kingdom, then they will have to stop purchasing everything in our marketplace because almost all the products we buy have some sort of animal byproduct in them.
It is a jungle out there and we, HUMAN BEINGS, are at the top of the foodchain. Our needs to live and thrive have to, no, must come first. Last time I checked, no animal in the animal kingdom paid taxes for any local,state or national service, much less retail prodcuts.
Don't get me wrong, I like and repect the animal kingdom, I mean God made animals too, but I do not treat animals as if they are on the same level as I am either. They are called animals for a reason.-
I would still dislike the taste of meat even if animals paid my taxes for me.
Eating meat is a personal choice made for personal reasons, none of which have anything to do with anyone else, and I don't know why it's any concern of anyone else what I eat.
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The notion of "top of the food chain" is bunk. Last I checked, the top land predator award went to the giant cats. It wasn't until the invention of projectile weapons that we were any competition for them. No matter how many other beasts you eat, you are still food for bacteria, grubs, worms, mold, and fungus and anything else. The food chain is not linear; It's more like a tangled web of thousands of strands with no end.
" If they are so much in love with the animal kingdom, then they will have to stop purchasing everything in our marketplace because almost all the products we buy have some sort of animal byproduct in them."
Guess what? There are a lot of alternatives to animal consumption. I have been a vegetarian now for about 14 years. I do purchase dairy products like cheese, but otherwise, the only thing I purchase with animal products are my leather boots-- which is simply because I cannot find a non-animal alternative that works as well. It's terribly easy-- but I also recycle and reuse in order to minimize my ecological footprint (and have done so since I was a child.)
Even if you believe that humans are at the "top", why are they not permitted to abdicate the throne? What if one feels genuine empathy for animals-- must one still eat them in order to support your markets? Doesn't the fact that humans can feel empathy give them the a moral choice here? Maybe you wish to rephrase your argument, because it seems you are arguing that people are not entitled to make a moral decision on their own.
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a great response...and funny, thanks
it's a form of arrogance to think that humans are at the top of the food chain...and please don't think that i think you are arrogant
i think everything needs to be treated with the same respect,
there's a very old view that man is king and all that sort of stuff, i don't like it at all, it's tyranical..we share a beautiful world with lots of other beings, seen and unseen and to think that we can just treat it with disrespect is a concern, or i think should be...we are single handedly stuffing this planet
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I have been a vegetarian for over 25 years. I chose to go veggie simply because my husband and children preferred veggie food and I couldn't be bothered to cook meat for myself. I am healthy on a veggie diet but certainly wouldn't force my food preferences on anyone else. And I've never had meat eaters gang up on me for not eating meat!
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all you damn meat eaters hafta do Is watch a video at a slaughter house simple as that your might change your mind! lol
I go back and fourth will not eat beef thats fosho! but I do like fish they have no legs, But being veggie is difficult. people eat what they like you cannot force it down their throats to eat or not to eat that IS the question!
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This is what I think of this debate and all those like it:
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I've just become a vegitarian because of this video: www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp?gclid=CP3XsqfWgo8CFRqsOAodYHoI3A -
Good grief, this has gotten weird.
Let me say this: I like animals. A lot. Sometimes I'd rather be around animals than people. Though I've been fishing and played hunting games, I don't think I could ever actually kill anything. (I was never involved with the actual killing of the fish I caught.)
I still eat meat.
A friend of my Grandfather's had very similar ideas to mine. When asked why he wasn't a vegetarian, he said, "I am, one step removed."
Humans have a digestive system designed to handle meat and vegetables, we have dentition designed for both. And speaking for myself I have felt definite cravings for foods rich in proteins. (And meat is a source of fiber.)
So I see nothing unethical about eating meat. If you do, that's you. I won't condemn you so don't condemn me. -
Having someone else kill something FOR you is the same as killing it. Think of a scenario where you hire someone to kill your spouse? Still illegal.
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Killing a human and killing an animal are two entirely different things.
Good grief, didn't someone else make the argument that humans don't need to eat meat because we're higher evolved than animals like lions and wolves? If you want to go the argument route you're on now it would be quite simple to argue that any carnivore is committing the mortal sin of murder.
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I have no beef with vegetarians..he heh.
My brother and sister are vegetarians for health reasons. I eat a lot of what they do to, but will never give up chicken or fish. I do have a problem with the vegetarians that make it their mission to make me try to feel like a murderer for eating flesh and the downside of the meat industry.
I look at them the same way I look at religious zealots. I have no problem with your beliefs. Just don't push them on me or we'll tangle. And I bite...and eat meat...-
I'm not saying that at all.
I have many friends who are vegetarians and am a fan of many vegetarian dishes. This is the only issue I have with the vegetarian lifestyle as well as those who want to push their religious beliefs on me. Eat what you want and worship how you want just don't tell me I'm going to hell for eating ham. That's all..
At holidays I make vegetarian dishes for my siblings as it's usually a meat ladened event.
I think we're on the same wave length. I'm down with the veggies. I had tofurkey for Thanksgiving last year.
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Vegan/vegetarianism has dire evolutionary consequences...
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I was told, eating meat means taking another consciousness into your system. Who would want that? I have enough to convert with my own.
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I don't understand that concept. If something is DEAD, it has no consciousness... it's just, well, dead meat. BUT animal meat is getting dirtier and dirtier as the years go by. Just imagine what a piece of poorly chewed meat does when it sits in your warm dark intestines for 3 days. Can't imagine? Take a piece of steak and set it in a warm dark wet box for 3 days. yuck
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I hate cauliflowers.
I'm not a vegetarian but I've stopped eating KFC because of this website www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/.
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Like a minority of people on here, I am vegetarian. That is my choice,it is not a choice I impose on my wife, kids or visitors. I have been vegetarian for around 14 years and I try to make a point of not imposing my views upon others.
I feel I get a very varied diet that contains all the necessary nutrients.
There is, however, a lot more to me than my dietary choice and I'd hope that anyone who wanted to get to know me would do so because of other factors than just my vegetarian diet.
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I am neither for or against this life style. What upsets me is when some choosing to consume only vegetable's, wand to try and change my life style. Lighten up, get a life and leave me and my life style choices alone.
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my son was vegetarian when he was a toddler, but I had to play hit and miss with meats. He liked it in Spaghetti. I am not a big meat eater,not even as a kid. I love veggies and would choose that even over fruits( most make me puke).
I will eat fried plantain and rice for breakfast, I guess that's weird for some people.
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FWIW
30 reasons for becoming a vegetarian
www.liferesearchuniversal.com/vegetarian.html
21 reasons for becoming a vegetarian
www.vernoncoleman.com/torfbav.htm
49 Reasons for becoming a vegetarian
[Source: The Whole Earth Vegetarian Catalogue]
www.britishmeat.com/49.htm
Livestock's Long Shadow
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neither for or against, how others choose to eat is their business. What I don't like is the ignorance about it, and the nasty comments directed by either side and this holier than thou attitude.
I am not a vegetarian (my daughter became one at 6) but I eat very little meat. Part of that is I don't feel I require meat on a daily basis. I also don't feel comfortable supporting an industry that is so profit driven it has reduced animal husbandry to some pretty disturbing practices. Still these are my feelings and my personal choice and I would no more want to impose my choices as be imposed on for them. -
I am a vegetarian..Its quite good and you can see your skin is glowing everyday unlike eating meat and other stuff. Meat eating causes kidney malfunction in your later years.
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This is a bais source but here
www.all-creatures.org/health/theskinny-kid.html
i'll look for more
edit: www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/41/Kidney_Scarring.htm
www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/79/American_Kidney_Fund.htm
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I don't subscribe to any eating plan that is extreme and it has never seemed a healthy plan to me (and not a sustainable one) It in fact supports my view that eating anything in excess (or limiting to one food product) is going to prove to have unhealthy side effects.
It doesn't really support that eating meat itself is the issue, just eating only meat and too much of it.
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I did find this article that talks about a meat based diet as being unhealthy, but again that seems to support that it isn't meat itself, but eating too much and what type (how it is farmed).
www.emagazine.com/view/?142
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Up until about a year ago I always ate meat and poultry. But I had suffered for a very long time with IBS which resulted in excrutiating pain at times. Gradually through a process of elimination I found that if I dropped meat the pain went completely. I haven't touched it since, I don't miss it because the pain was terrible. I still eat fish.
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I don;t care.... the simple truth is that if everyone in the world decided to go vegetarian, there wouldn't be enough food for everyone. I love my vegetables, but you can't beat meat
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Actually, that depends where one lives. In most temperate and tropical climates, it takes less acreage to provide enough food for a vegetarian diet than it does to provide grazing for cattle-- in climates where it is hard to grow vegetables from which humans can get much nutrition, meat eating can be seen as a necessity for human life.
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Human beings weren't designed to eat the amount of animal protein they are eating now. I am not saying that vegetarianism is right. I am saying that people should eat a lot less meat for their health and the balance of life on earth.
People with cows often don't eat meat every day, they drink the milk and make cheese, but not steaks every day. People are eating way too much meat. It is wrecking a lot of peoples lives. You can see it with the huge amount of obesity and coronary diseases.
The arguments for land use are sometimes false. Banana plantations and melon plantations in the rainforest destroy lots of land. Very close to the amount of cattle farming.
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I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem with people who value animal life more than human life, as some radicals do. I personally choose to eat less meat and to buy meat that's been raised sustainably and by family farmers when I do - I'm OK with ethical animal husbandry and I'm in favor of consumer demand for sustainable small-scale industry. I'm also soy-intolerant, so strict no-meat is actually not easily feasible for my health.
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Frankly I do not think of them at all until someone pops up and asks a question like: "What do you think of vegetarians?"
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"Are there any vegetarians out there?" Assuredly as a bear crapping in the woods...though, I am not one myself -that is, neither vegetarian nor bear.
"Why do people become vegetarians?" I have entertained the idea that it is a form of vanity...perhaps one of the more extreme forms, but I cannot say for certain.
"Are you for or against vegetarians?" As long as vegetarians do not try to proselytize or threaten me in any way, I would have to say that I find myself quite indifferent on the question; neither hot nor cold.-
As long as vegetarians do not try to proselytize or threaten me in any way
To be honest, I only ever knew one annoyingly proselytizing vegetarian from my life before I became a vegetarian.
On the other hand, I have met countless proselytizing carnivores whose entire world view seems under threat when they encounter a vegetarian.
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Vegetarians are cool people, until they tell you to become one of them.
Anyways, our teeth are not built for carnivores nor herbivores. They're built for omnivores.-
When I still ate meat, only one of the vegetarians of my acquaintance ever attempted to proselytize their diet to me.
On the other hand since I became a vegetarian, I have lost count of the number of meat-eaters who have insisted on proselytizing to me that I should be eating meat -- which is why I find this thread so annoying.
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I am a vegetarian, as are my three kids. I never try to tell others what to eat when we go out to restaurants, but am CONSTANTLY harassed by meat eaters who seem to have some need to pick on my food choices. I never make a big deal about what I order, nor make faces at theirs, but I am regularly told my choices are stupid, unhealthy, etc. Then there are the ones who feel some need to wave their steak under my nose, or tell me in detail about the meat dish they cooked/ate the night before.
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I think to each their own. There are so many varying degrees of veganism too from the ones that just don't do red meat but eat chicken and fish to ones who do fish only to ones that exclude meat altogether (which is what I always thought being a vegetarian was) and then ones that exclude meat and dairy and broth or anything that was derived from animals in any form whether meat or milked or whatever. Then there's the raw diet... It's dizzying!
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I'm a carnivore, but I'm 100% in favor of vegetarians. In fact I married one!
If you'd like to give up eating chicken, read my book - it's been known to have that effect on people.
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"You can see it with the huge amount of obesity and coronary diseases."
I'm afraid you missed the part about no exercise, potato chips 'crisp'
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I was veggie until about 2 years ago, when I went back to eating fish and think it is very much a personal choice. There are health issues to be considered, and of course the cruelty aspect, but for me the overriding thing is the environmental impact of meat eating in terms of the amount of water used, manure produced and the fact that land used for animal grazing and meat production could produce a much larger and more nutitrious crop that would feed humans. It makes no sense to me that soya beans grown in the third world are fed to animals when they could be fed to humans.
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I overheard someone today say, "I don't really respect her being a vegetarian", the implication being that there was something almost morally wrong with her for not eating meat. How weird is that? I get that some people are vegetarians for moral reasons, but I don't understand why anyone would judge a vegetarian for being one. Who the heck are vegetarians hurting, anyway?
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We're harming the meat and fast-food industries, I suppose.
We're opting out of the traditional Western diet, and thus, choosing to be "other", which induces some weird existential crisis amongst some folk-- "why would somebody want to be different than me? Why would they want to eat differently?"
But I've also known of similar hostility regarding kosher dietary laws: After the expulsion of Jews and Muslims from Spain, it became customary to eat large amounts of pork and ham in public festivals both to assert one's Catholicism and to flush out Jews and Muslims in hiding.
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"What do you think of vegetarians?"
FYI
Vegetarians: They do not eat any meat products, but they eat dairy products and eggs.
Vegans: They do not consume ANY animal products.
I suppose it's a viewpoint of what you think of people who really have empathy about eating anything that's been alive or living.
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Tried it 3x... last time lasted 9 months... although this last stint I time was a fish only vegan... just broke spell in June... Vegans are cool... personal choice... live and let live... Hmmm...? Sort of a weird statement considering subject matter... and the fact that I actually really enjoy meat... yikes!!! Vegans Rock! Meatatarians Rule!!!
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There are certain nutrients that the human body needs that are not available through a vegan diet.
There is no vegetable in the world that contains complete protein. By carefully combining certain vegetarian foods that combine partial proteins, complete proteins can be formed. I am unconvinced, however, that the average vegetarian knows which foods contain which amino acids and how to combine them to create the complete protein required.
Even a vegetarian who is able to do that cannot make a combination that provides vitamin B12 as it does not exist outside animal products. Human bodies require this vitamin for health. You can take supplements for it...but the ONLY natural source of this vitamin is animal products.
This topic is as volatile as religion and adherents often have the same head-in-the-sand attitude as the fervently religious, i.e., don't try to confuse me with facts because you can't change my mind. But despite the vegetarian and vegan claims to the contrary, it is not the healthiest of diets because too little attention is paid to the PROPER combinations of vegetarian fare to create complete proteins and because of the B12 thing.
BTW, children have actually died due to being fed vegetarian diets that were nutritionally inadequate...there was a new case in the news just last month.
EDIT: Re B12 deficiency: Deborah and Roby Jan Moorhead deny the manslaughter of six-month-old Caleb, by failing to provide the necessaries of life...He died in March last year from medical complications due to a lack of vitamin B12. www.second-opinions.co.uk/child_abuse.html -
It concerns me greatly that for most of my life I ate meat and was subject to many bouts of food poisoning and continuing stomach problems. A couple of years ago I decided to cut it out of my diet and only eat fish. I haven't had a stomach problem since, no pain, no nothing.
I loved eating meat but now I can't bear the thought of it and I wish I'd never touched the stuff.-
Did you have any medical testing done? It may not have been meat but something you ate with it or prepared it in or even how it was stored and/or prepared.
Spoilage (and resultant food poisoning) is more common in seafood products than red meat as red meat can "age" for a couple of weeks before eating it becomes problematic.
I'm not saying that you should resume eating meat, only that you be medically certain that was the cause of your trouble...if it was something else (and the meat was triggering symptoms) you could have something that should get medical attention.
Also, if you are not eating red meat, please make sure you are getting an adequate intake of iron from other sources.
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I think they have chosen a healthy, intelligent lifestyle, and many have a great compassion for animals. I am a meat eater, but I definitely see the benefits of being a vegetarian.
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As I stated above: There is no vegetable in the world that contains complete protein. By carefully combining certain vegetarian foods that contain partial proteins, complete proteins can be formed. I am unconvinced, however, that the average vegetarian knows which foods contain which amino acids and how to combine them to create the complete protein required.
Check this website for some interesting information about vegetarianism and nutrition: www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=vegan_risk -
Actually, you can get complete proteins by mixing things such as rice and beans together.
Meat and poultry, fish they have their benefits and if a person doesn't have access to a wide variety of foods they are necessary in your diet in small quantities.
But if you do have access to non animal foods - you can have a perfectly healthy vegetarian or vegan diet. My husband and I were both vegans for some time - and we have friends/family members who were vegetarians for the vast majority of their adult lives.
None of them had any (abnormal) health problems, and most did not have any of the common health problems that many people have today such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart problems, or problems associated with obesity, diabetes, etc. (Unless they were genetically predisposed which happens).
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Please read the article cited above. The human body needs certain nutrients that are available ONLY through animal sources, chief among them vitamin B12 and Omega 3 fatty acids. Even breast milk from vegan mothers lacks those nutrients if the mother's diet does not contain them. Further up I posted a link to a story about an infant who died of complications of B12 deficiency because of his parents' vegan diet. Lack of B12 and cholesterol (also only available through animal-based foods) can cause devastating consequences to infants and young children. Children in particular need certain animal-based nutrients to grow and for their brains to develop properly.
As far as the complete proteins, you are correct. Unfortunately, if you lined up 100 self-professed vegetarians and asked them what a complete protein is, why they (and their children) need them, and how to create them in a vegetarian diet, I would guess less than 25% would even know what you are talking about.
Vegetarianism is too often entered into for emotional reasons (I just couldn't eat that poor little lambie!) or because it is trendy, or a friend is doing it, or you can lose some weight...and NOT after some serious research on how to do it and remain healthy. As such, I consider it a dangerous food fad, and veganism slow suicide.-
Well, I was vegan when I was pregnant - and my child didn't have a single drop of animal products until the age of two (give or take 6 months).
Punky is not only fine, Punky is above expectations, and has always been in the top 90th percentile in growth, and mental development and cognitive skills. I worked closely with the pediatrician, however to ensure that a vegan diet was not in any way harmful. And it wasn't. (Neither does it seem to be harmful to the entire cultures who sustain on vegetarian diets for religious reasons and have done so for centuries). To this day we still eat very little meat. In fact, you only need a tiny amount of meat in your diet to begin with - the US ideal of meat for every meal is not only wrong, but very unhealthy!
It's better to get your calcium, iron, and potassium from fatty and non fatty sources like avocados, spinach, and dandelion greens. Nuts are a great source too.
I agree with you that not having proper nutritional education means a veg-diet can be very harmful. I watched one friend try to do it on ramen noodles and whatever. Obviously, that diet failed
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This is not directed at you. Check out how old this thread is and check out the title and intent of the thread.
I am irritated that this thread which was so obviously aimed at being a "pick on vegetarians" post is still being drug out of the forum search box and used as a soapbox over and over again.
I'm aware that complete protein cannot be obtained only from vegetarian sources and I'm aware of how easy it is to supplement and achieve what my body needs. I'm also aware that most of the meat that we North Americans eat is from feedlot animals who receive antibiotics throughout their lives and hormones for weight gain purposes in the last 3 months of their lives prior to slaughter. I'm also aware of livestock's long shadow and the environmental damage that's done by keeping the number of animals that are kept today in horrible conditions in confinement by factory farm corporations, who are making record high profits. www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.htm
The bottom line here at our house is that my husband and I do not want to eat meat or fish any more frequently than 2 to 3 days of the week. We are aware of how to balance our nutritional intake properly to achieve and maintain good health. Neither of us is overweight. We are both fit. The meat we do eat is from organic local producers. What we are sick and tired of is being told by humans, many of whom themselves who look like pigs and cattle being fattened for market themselves that we should eat more meat.
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i actually think its a great idea..i mean i hardly eat meat im not a big fan but i do eat chicken more then meat.. i honestly think i could do it because i eat soo much veggies.. and every time there's meat in something i always end up taking it out. lol.. so im proud of them., i think it takes great will [power to do something like that
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I also know that dont eating meat is not bad for your heath, you can live a much better and healthier life being vegetarian. Just watch the documentary about how they treat the animals and probably you will rethink about eating meat. Also they say that todays Americans have a much smaller head than the frenchs because of the high volume of meat consumed on the USA. VEGETARIANS SAVE'S THE WORLD>....
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I think that there are many arguments for and against a vegetarian diet. I tend to side with the for. That being said, I still eat meat for the time being, but my reasons for wanting to give up meat have more to do with modern industrialized meat producers than with ethical concerns.
The Meat Industry (and don't kid yourselves- it is an industry) is one of the largest consumers of petroleum and antibiotics while being one of the largest producers of green house gasses. If you want to have a discussion about the abuse of antibiotics, you must include in the discussion the massive ingestion of antibiotics by cattle, swine and poultry. Let's also talk about the fact that most grain produced in this country is not produced for human consumption, but for livestock. That is an enormous investment of land and resources that could be put to other uses, not to mention polluting the land and water with petroleum based fertilizers and pesticides. Let's also talk about how grain is a highly unnatural diet for cattle.
Corn fed beef is not a good thing. Biologically, cattle are supposed to graze on a variety of natural grasses. A corn based diet thwarts their natural digestive system forcing them to expel huge amounts of methane gas, short circuiting their immune systems (hence the antibiotics)and if kept on a grain diet for longer than a couple of months, will kill them. Also, if you're in the tiniest bit afraid of Mad Cow disease, you should be terrified. Meat producers in this country claim that there is no possibility of a Mad Cow outbreak. They are lying. Meat producers regularly feed rendered beef to swine and poultry, rendered pork to cattle and poultry, and rendered poultry to cattle and swine. The theory is that the added protein will make these herbivores grow larger faster. This is the same theory behind feeding swine their own urine rather than water. This is also a circuitous method of transferring prions from one species to another.
Choosing to be vegetarian is a personal choice and truth be told, I think the US is going to see a huge outbreak of Jacob-Kreutzfeld (human infection from Mad Cow Prions takes 20-30 years to incubate) disease within the next couple of decades.
If you are going to eat meat, you should eat organic: grass fed beef, free range chicken, wild caught fish, and antibiotic free, naturally raised pork. It's better for you, better for the environment, and supports farms that use sustainable practices. If cost is an issue, ingesting less meat is better for your LDL's anyway.-
Right on! I'm so sick of hearing negative responses to vegetarians from meat eaters, who don't have a clue about what actually goes on in factory farms and what's actually fed to the animals they eat. It's no wonder that we have so many unhealthy humans, who look like fattened hogs and steers ready for slaughter.
I also agree with your prediction: I think the US is going to see a huge outbreak of Jacob-Kreutzfeld (human infection from Mad Cow Prions takes 20-30 years to incubate) disease within the next couple of decades.
In your last paragraph you have described the approach my husband and I took years ago. We do NOT eat processed "food products". We eat real whole foods and we eat meat or fish only 3 times weekly. Also what we eat is exactly what you described.
If you are going to eat meat, you should eat organic: grass fed beef, free range chicken, wild caught fish, and antibiotic free, naturally raised pork. It's better for you, better for the environment, and supports farms that use sustainable practices. If cost is an issue, ingesting less meat is better for your LDL's anyway.
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Its a healthy way to live and I think its awesome to have that much discipline, but its not the lifestyle for me. I agree with some people above, it is the circle of life and a purpose of meat is to eat it.
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Actually, it is not a healthy way to live.
There is absolutely NO vegetarian source of Vitamin B12, an essential nutrient. It simply does not exist outside of animal food sources. Unless the vegetarian eats dairy and/or eggs, by definition, that person will be malnourished due to a lack of B12.
Furthermore, women who do not have an adequate intake of B12 themselves will be unable to supply B12 to a developing fetus and it will not be a component of her breastmilk, leading to poor nourishment of the fetus and nursing infant. In particular, proper brain development is negatively affected (see fn.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/90/3/F281 for details).
Vegetarians/vegans may supplement for B12, but then that means their diet is neither natural nor purely vegan/vegetarian, B12 being naturally sourced ONLY from animal products.
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OMG I totally agree with that. I CAN'T STAND the people who try to force this lifestyle down people's throats and try to make you feel guilty by watching animal cruelty videos ( I love animals, but its the circle of life and we eat some of them) From personal experience( thats right I said personal experience so if your with PETA don't get offended), I absolutely find many PETA people annoying (yes, some are friends). I don't know, its a healthy lifestyle...but its not for everybody.
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i look at vegetarianism like i look at religion - if you're vegetarian, that's cool. just don't lecture me about eating meat and why being a vegetarian like you would make me healthier/a better person...
i only eat meat a couple times a week, but i can definitely feel a difference (good) when i have a steak or a burger every week or so. i think people should listen to what their bodies say, and not follow a strict regimen just to follow a trend... your body is your best indicator! even if you say you're a vegetarian, if you're craving meat it means you should eat some!
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Firstly, I can't believe how ancient this thread is. Secondly, this thread is so old I may have said this before. If I did here I go again...
I am a meat eater but I used to be a vegetarian. When I was a vegetarian I felt so much healthier. I wasn't getting extra fat from meat and I was getting all of the nutrients I needed. My little juicer made things so easy to get all that stuff.
Did you know that if you are being influenced by your friends food decisions in a restaurant there are alternatives? At Taco Bell you can order a taco salad no meat. At Burger King you can order a Whopper no meat (Yum!) There is nothing wrong with being vegetarian and there is nothing wrong with being a meat eater. If you marry a meat eater and you're vegetarian, chances are your food choices will change. -
I am NOT a vegetarian... never will be. I suppose there is nothing wrong with a vegetarian who is educated in their decision enough to provide proper nutrition for their families (there are numerous accounts of uneducated types who have actually malnurished and in some cases starved their offspring to death). So long as I don't hav to put up with that holier than thou attitude that often accompanies it, I am fine... Not my path, cannot understand the logic, do not care to understand the logic, so long as I get my rare steak I am fine with what everyone else eats
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Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment teeth, jaws, and digestive system favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."
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I'm a holistic health practitioner and I'm supposed to insist that being vegetarian is better.
My experience however has shown that though there are definite health benefits, ultimately it depends on what your genetic make-up is. If you come from a meat-eating race, there are parts of you that require tough proteins, if you come from a predominantly vegetarian race, there are proteins (like beef proteins) that are hard to digest and could cause serious problems.
The benefits of being vegetarian are that your digestive system is more nimble so you're more mentally capable, faster to respond to medicine of any kind and sleep better in general. You also obviously get more of the vitamins and minerals necessary to keep healthy.
By quitting eating meat, you help solve the global warming problem by throwing out less heat yourself; have better relationships because of smelling better (simple pheromones), and aid the health and repair of skin, muscle, bone and cell tissue in general in your body. This means you recover faster from injuries, look younger for longer, and stay more active in general.
Meat and sadly, fish are leading carriers of toxic and endocrine system disrupting pollution, radiation included, so staying away from these helps lessen exposure to potentially harmful pollutants.
That said, many vegetables are non-vegetarian themselves because much of any soil is made up of decomposed err.. flesh, and veggies and fruits absorb these nutrients as well. So in a way we are all meat eaters anyway.
Hope this helps someone!
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