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What makes a woman woman?
Posted by cutekhartz • 4/05/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
tell me, what makes a woman a real woman?
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Ehhh. Whatever is in your undies?-
huh?!
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Yeah, I was gonna go with the obvious ones, like ovaries. Then I decided it was probably something more subtle, like the willingness to consider eyebrow waxing. No actually having it done, of course, but really giving it consideration. -
legbamel..haha! or, the soft chestnut color to touch up the roots, rather than the harshness of black.
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Sorry. I misread. I thought you asked the difference between women and men. Oops.
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ah, that's ok!
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IMO it would be compassion. The one trait that would attribute to success as a mother, partner and business woman.
I believe that this characteristic is what makes some women more successful than male counterparts.-
yeah! cool dude...
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ekim941,
That is nice and the only thing you left out would be her "sensuality" -
@Angie, I thought the question was looking for "One" thing that makes a woman a woman. I also assumed that it was besides the obvious plumbing
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Not all women are compassionate, though. -
SUCH an understatement, LGramlich!
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breast! what else (that one) oh ya i know it-
you sure? I think its not the only basis of it..
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patience-
That's not true of all women, either.
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uhm...it can be..maybe!
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If she is not inflatable.-
I think so...ehh,!
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roflol!
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anyone can nowadays implant breast; so that's not a priviledge for a woman anymore. A man can become a real woman by a sex change. A man can carry a child- see the last Oprah show. A man can be a mom. Then my answer would be anyone can be a real woman....-
bu;;shit~ a man can never be a woman~
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it's a big no no!!!
arrrgh...a man can never really be a woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
I'm with the angry cookie on this one. If a man has committed himself to the surgery and life-long hormone treatments required by gender reassignment, he's earned the right to be a woman in my book. The odds are high that he already thought of himself as she long before it took place anyway. It's not just a question of physical attributes (regardless of my flip comments above). Actually, the eyebrow waxing thing would apply.
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"A man can carry a child- see the last Oprah show"
This is NOT true! Please! This person is a BIOLOGICAL female. This person may call themselves a man but, alas, biologically, she is a woman.
I am reminded when I worked for a financial lender many, many, many years ago & a guy I worked with changed his name to a woman's name and, therefore, received permission to use the woman's bathroom. Monday he is using the man's room, Monday afternoon he changes his license and we had an office meeting where they told us Pete would now be Pat and that he'd be using the woman's ladies room. He was still a man! Changing a name, taking hormones, does not change one's gender.
A man will never be able to bear a child, let alone give birth to one. -
i was really hoping this wouldn't come up in this topic and i just *knew* i should not have opened this thread again.
i'm with legbamel as well.
the issue with thomas beatie (the man who went on oprah) - we're talking about a highly unusual situation in which a female felt strongly enough to go through about half of the sexual re-assignment process in order to live out life as a man. however, thomas wanted to keep the original genitalia. so while i would normally argue with anyone who said thomas was a female because that was the original sex at birth, i have to admit that keeping the original genitalia confuses the issue quite a bit. GG rightly points out that with the reproductive system of a woman, we can't really sound off with "even a man can have a baby."
however, with the way medical science works? i would seriously hesitate to say that a man will never bear a child nor give birth. -
Ender, the media is creating an illusion to many that a "man can carry a child" and this is scientifically and biologically untrue. I find it shocking that people have bought into the media hype (deception) without researching the facts behind it.
Legally, he claims he is a male, but he is STILL a biological female.
afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hvDf8mMJjnw6RO5DqQtqRfeqUw7g
Whether or not one believes a man will be able to reproduce does not make this idea a fact today. Shame on the media for reporting false claims. -
umm, GG, i agreed with you about Thomas Beatie. i think that's a completely separate issue. nor did i say it was a fact today that a man can carry and birth a child.
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My last sentence was not directed towards you. I was just throwing it out there.
I will never believe that a man, a biological male, will ever be able to carry and give birth to a baby. It's scientifically and biologically impossible. -
Tenses in the English language matter, GG. You use the present tense. Ender makes a conditional statement about the future.
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Of course.
Ender stated "i would seriously hesitate to say that a man will never bear a child nor give birth."
I don't hesitate. A biologically born man will NEVER be able to give birth to a child.
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And given the understanding of science as well as powers of imagination you have demonstrated in the various global warming threads on BlogCatalog, I am not surprised.
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How do you think it is biologically and scientifically possible for a man to get pregnant, carry a child and give birth to a baby?
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Again, we are talking language. And we are talking about imagination. I don't think it is possible, but who am I to limit what human scientists might think up at some point in the future. They've broken so many boundaries, I'm not willing to draw a line in the sand and say they will never ever figure out how to break this one.
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So we agree. I don't think it is possible either. Wishful thinking? For some, yes.
Our imaginations can be powerful tools to creating new possibilities and inventions. My endeavors and actions in my life, by the way, indicate I have imagination and creativity. You simply don't know me. -
No, we don't agree. But I'm done giving language lessons.
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hey stoneman - did you read how steinem thinks that "most" doesn't always mean "more than"???
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BTW, regarding the comment "And given the understanding of science as well as powers of imagination you have demonstrated in the various global warming threads on BlogCatalog, I am not surprised."
What an interesting way to somehow discredit me. I do believe in climate change - since the beginning of time. I am a "greenie"but I abhor the global warming frenzy when I believe there is evidence of global cooling. I also take an active role in being green and "evangelizing" about living a more sustainable lifestyle. Being green and a non-global warming supporter are not mutually exclusive. We are called to steward the earth and our decisions impact the earth and humanity, whether or not people believe in global warming.
This isn't even the place to bring this up, but you chose to open the door.
One last note, I have never claimed to be a science expert. -
Stoneman said "I don't think it is possible" - I agree.
You think, however, science will make it possible for a BIOLOGICAL man to have a baby.
I don't. At this point we disagree.
Stoneman, when you get pregnant and have a baby, do let us know.
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the ability to not fart at inappropriate moments :-)
well that's true for pandas-
Demands a great deal of hard work and self-discipline. -
Yup. Women actually have enormous bladders. We make you stop every 90 minutes on a road trip in the interests of discretion.
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Motherhood-
problem...
if a woman is not a mother, does that mean she's not a woman? -
Some people think so.
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what a cute discussion mae
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Maybe if you could make a list of what makes a woman not a REAL woman, then you will sure get the list of what makes a woman a REAL woman, hehe... just look for the opposite of the other list. You think? -
Joseph: Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina!
Phoebe: [to Kimble] Well, you taught them the basics, that's important. -
They never stop talking and coming up with interesting stuff to discuss.-
Again, that's not true of all women. Then again, considering the question, I guess not all women are "true" women, somehow...Not sure how that works, really.
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That's just a "feel good" story, not reality.
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It's all in the eyes of the beholder, whether we're talking the person's view of herself or the views of people around her. Well nowadays it is this way in many places, and I'm glad. If you want to talk about stereotyped images of femininity, masculinity, and sexuality, that's another story.
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Awesome answer. I think you've nailed it.
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When the day comes that there is no need for both sexes to be seperate and distinct anymore . . . I want out of here. When all the cultures blend into one and the beauty of each is diminished, then we will know the end is here. When there's no need for any of this, there'll be no need for human beings and our little computers can have a field day and take over for good.
I am not talking about sexual preference, but then even that assumes that there is a choice one prefers . . . and if there's a choice . . . then there's more than one to choose from. -
Women smell good. -
I suppose the OP may have read this. What makes a woman a woman?
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E6D91039F937A25752C0A960958260 -
Beautiful eyes! -
Her attitude! -
Apparently an avatar of a man ...if the other thread on Sex at Blogcatalog is to be believed. Crazy.-
No, it is creepy, really creepy.
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To me, a real woman is one who lives an authentic life, true to her convictions. She has strong moral and ethical values, lives with integrity, is true to herself, defines who she is and cannot degrade herself to get ahead in this world. An authentic woman who has not forgotten her true spirit is a 'real' woman to me. -
one who bleeds without having to be wounded -
Their name? manicured nails? Oh, I know, I know, their birthday suit!
Yes, their birthday suit.
Did I win? -
Their genes. -
A woman has to be both beautiful and stupid....Beautiful so that man will love them and stupid so that they love man back. haha... -
her love and emotions make her complete, if she is not having these qualities. then she is not a womwn -
I go back and forth between being a gender essentialist and not. Sometimes, I believe that men and women are pretty much the same and except for differences so inconsequential as to not matter, but blown out of proportion by ridiculous gender expectations, we are pretty much indistinguishable from one another.
Other times, I believe that there is something grand and mysteriously different between men and women, that our experience as women is and must remain at some level utterly foreign to men.
But, if that’s the case, what, exactly, would it be that would make men so different from us? What would be the locatable area in which we could begin to look, even if we couldn’t know?
Men often say that they are much more visual creatures than women and if women only understood how men cannot help but respond to visual stimulation. And yet, I can tell you exactly how pleasing I find the curve of one man’s face, right where the eye socket meets the cheek, at his temple. Or how impossible I find it to concentrate when men with big, square meaty hands are trying to talk to me. Or how the ropey muscles in a forearm can stop me short. Or how I’m convinced that women would be banned from baseball games everywhere if men had any idea how many of us sit there trying to remember to keep our hands above our waists. And when Rachel Maddow comes on MSNBC? I’m sorry to tell you, but few women are listening in rapt attention only because she’s brilliant.
We might not talk about how much we’re looking, but, whew, we’re looking and enjoying and thinking, all the time, about what we would do, if only the opportunity presented itself.
So, I’m not buying it.
I don’t know. It doesn’t seem to me that there’s one universal thing you can point to and say “THAT’s the thing all women share in common.” We don’t all menstruate. We don’t all have children. We don’t all have boobs or for that matter darling boob freckles. We aren’t all nurturing. So, what is it?
We know it’s not chromosomal. We don’t all share two Xs. Though they don’t make up a huge minority of women, there are women who have three X chromosomes (one in one thousand women), women with just one x chromosome (maybe one in 2500), and XXXX and XXXXX variations (though much much more rare), and there are women with XY chromosomes, both those with Swyer syndrome (where the sex-determining gene on the Y chromosome doesn’t click on and no gonads develop and so the fetus remains female and so then does the person once born) and women with androgen insensitivity (where the testes develop in the abdomen, but because of the androgen insensitivity, the switch over to male doesn’t happen and the woman develops a “normal” body but with testes up in her abdomen instead of ovaries).
And we have some sense that it’s not what a woman looks like. Even if some of us are uncomfortable believing that a woman could be born with a completely functioning unambiguously male body which she might want to transition out of, I can’t imagine any of us would doubt the word of a person with ambiguous genitalia if she said that she felt like a woman.
So, if it’s not in the behavior and it’s not in the body and it’s not in the chromosomes, where then is it?
I don’t have an answer to that. I don’t even know where to begin.
Except to say that I think the only choice is to take people at their word about who they say they are. And remember that the world is always more complicated than we’ve been lead to believe. And to remember that we are, at heart, just the stories we tell and that all of those stories can be retold in a way that lets us live more comfortably in the world. -
In the context that the original poster stated the question... it's not (to me anyways) a question of biology. Nor is there any one thing that makes a woman the essence of womanhood all wrapped up into one package. Motherhood- yes. I think a Mother is the only person who would lay her life down for a child. But a woman in general? Perhaps it's the awareness of her affect on men, or perhaps it's a softness in everything she does. Could be as simple as great manners and never letting anyone hear you fart.
Near impossible to sum it up into one 'thing'. I guess you could say a woman is many things and as well, EARNS the right to be called such because of the many things she is not ( As GratiaNulis suggested) -
Her feminity values -
When PMS comes. -
When she makes feel a man, "MAN" ....and vice versa. -
Her inherent nurturing sense. Her beauty as seen by those who can see beyond the physical. -
Her strength to endure all, her tears to get it out when she has enough of it, her ability to give it all, her compassion to understand all, her fertility to make a life, her womb to nurture a life, and her unconditional love to make the life bloom. -
Her virginia?-
spell it right and get ur comment deleted by community, haha !
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there are women who are very pretty but doesn't attract me, then there are those not so pretty lookin' but has a lot of sex appeal, for me that whats makes a woman. -
Personality, attitude, emotions, and the way she "carries" herself. I have seen many women who didn't feel like they were simply because the didn't "fit" was society deemed what a women should be. -
the atitude!!!the way she's acting. the values...
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